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Post by heathenoxman on Apr 21, 2017 13:22:36 GMT
lets see...off the top of my head...
Gil Gay Taurian pathfinders Several Gay relationship sets of datapad entries Hainly Asari (we aren't going to waste our time pretending they aren't a lesbian surrogate)
If you pay attention I'm pretty sure there are more gay romances mentioned in this game than straight ones. Of course I know you clowns will shove your fingers in your ears and scream homophobe at any one pointing it out.
etc etc
You guys can lie and claim they aren't pushing an agenda all you want, but it doesn't make you not full of shit.
It really is a shame you all infest every Bioware game related forum
+ both Krogan leaders are for some reason female.
Kesh as the bright one Morda as the strong one
...and the male Krogan, an author of the worst power play ever, gets beaten and humiliated in a worst Krogan hand to hand combat scene ever
[sarcasm] When I played TW3, it took me 40 minutes to run into a gay person, and, once it was revealed he was homosexual, I had no dialogue options to argue with him, or lecture him on how his lifestyle was unnatural and wrong. It seriously stunted my role-playing! Talk about SJW horseshit. [/sarcasm]
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Post by salariansupremacist on Apr 21, 2017 13:28:34 GMT
Haha 1. Suvi is most annoying character in the game for me. Mostly because I accidentally agreed with her and had to listen to all that non sense. But it felt so "American religous" so whatever. I'm used to think Americans are weird. In Europe you won't find all those deluded christians on every corner. 2. SJW is a label, stereotype. And that what people mean when they say it's SJW agenda in this game. And that's 100% truth. Those who share views won't feel it, because they agree and that is natural. But for me game looks simply silly. Trying to make males look weak all the time. Good luck with that. Lol. 3. So don't pretend it's about not letting others having fun. It's about bullying majority for the fun of minority. And yeah that is SJW agenda. Perhaps I'm merely blinded by the nefarious SJW agenda, but I think you need to be equally ideologically charged to read the game as 'trying to make males look weak all the time'. Isn't that the sort of politicised engagement with the text that people who complain about SJWs disdain? How are 'the majority' being bullied by this game at all?
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Post by xujparisipc on Apr 21, 2017 13:29:14 GMT
And look what happened after my post. Few more ignoring posts claiming that those who complain are against gay and so on. I'll repeat then:
3. So don't pretend it's about not letting others having fun. It's about bullying majority for the fun of minority. And yeah that is SJW agenda.
Conclussion: tired of f****** idiots thinking it's ok to harm majority, because they can find alternative easier. Well fuck you. harm is harm. Fact is fact. And politically correct fact is not fact. Deal with rational views. Is it to hard?
Bring back Krogans Vorchas and Geth then I won't say anything. Will ignore this non sense because will be busy playing. But game is no fun. Guess why.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 21, 2017 13:31:50 GMT
Um...Question...
Why the hell do so many people think Suvi is Christian?
She never, at any point, specifies her beliefs, just a generic "higher power." The best we can say for certain is that she's Deist.
Believe me, there are PLENTY of examples of SJW bullshit in general society. This is not the time and place to discuss them, but they're there, and blatant.
ME:A is NOT one of these examples. Hainly wasn't handled well, I'll agree. Otherwise, people being bothered by content that kinda sorta maybe references homosexuality? Whoah, folks! Stop the fucking presses! FFS, if this level of representation bothers you, stop watching TV. Bioware is no "worse" in this regard than random commercials I see, or hell, just walking down the street! Gays are out there people, and no, they're not gonna get you or infect you with teh "gay."
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Post by luke on Apr 21, 2017 13:32:22 GMT
And look what happened after my post. Few more ignoring posts claiming that those who complain are against gay and so on. I'll repeat then: 3. So don't pretend it's about not letting others having fun. It's about bullying majority for the fun of minority. And yeah that is SJW agenda. Conclussion: tired of f****** idiots thinking it's ok to harm majority, because they can find alternative easier. Well fuck you. harm is harm. Fact is fact. And politically correct fact is not fact. Deal with rational views. Is it to hard? Bring back Krogans Vorchas and Geth then I won't say anything. Will ignore this non sense because will be busy playing. But game is no fun. Guess why. This post reads like it was written by a Vorcha... How are the "majority" bullied in any way? Can you explain?
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Post by xujparisipc on Apr 21, 2017 13:32:26 GMT
Haha 1. Suvi is most annoying character in the game for me. Mostly because I accidentally agreed with her and had to listen to all that non sense. But it felt so "American religous" so whatever. I'm used to think Americans are weird. In Europe you won't find all those deluded christians on every corner. 2. SJW is a label, stereotype. And that what people mean when they say it's SJW agenda in this game. And that's 100% truth. Those who share views won't feel it, because they agree and that is natural. But for me game looks simply silly. Trying to make males look weak all the time. Good luck with that. Lol. 3. So don't pretend it's about not letting others having fun. It's about bullying majority for the fun of minority. And yeah that is SJW agenda. Perhaps I'm merely blinded by the nefarious SJW agenda, but I think you need to be equally ideologically charged to read the game as 'trying to make males look weak all the time'. Isn't that the sort of politicised engagement with the text that people who complain about SJWs disdain? How are 'the majority' being bullied by this game at all? Are you putting a label on my argument so it will look not as strong? Seriously? Can't be true white. All pro male characters gone or are pussies now. Asari has best melee, not melee machine Krogan. And so on and so on.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 21, 2017 13:34:01 GMT
And look what happened after my post. Few more ignoring posts claiming that those who complain are against gay and so on. I'll repeat then: 3. So don't pretend it's about not letting others having fun. It's about bullying majority for the fun of minority. And yeah that is SJW agenda. Conclussion: tired of f****** idiots thinking it's ok to harm majority, because they can find alternative easier. Well fuck you. harm is harm. Fact is fact. And politically correct fact is not fact. Deal with rational views. Is it to hard? Bring back Krogans Vorchas and Geth then I won't say anything. Will ignore this non sense because will be busy playing. But game is no fun. Guess why. Dude. Seriously. If you are being "harmed" by the content in this game, grow the fuck up.
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Post by xujparisipc on Apr 21, 2017 13:36:53 GMT
And look what happened after my post. Few more ignoring posts claiming that those who complain are against gay and so on. I'll repeat then: 3. So don't pretend it's about not letting others having fun. It's about bullying majority for the fun of minority. And yeah that is SJW agenda. Conclussion: tired of f****** idiots thinking it's ok to harm majority, because they can find alternative easier. Well fuck you. harm is harm. Fact is fact. And politically correct fact is not fact. Deal with rational views. Is it to hard? Bring back Krogans Vorchas and Geth then I won't say anything. Will ignore this non sense because will be busy playing. But game is no fun. Guess why. Dude. Seriously. If you are being "harmed" by the content in this game, grow the fuck up. Dude I'm not. My gaming experience definitely is. Can deny? It's just fact. One of those someone does not like.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 21, 2017 13:39:11 GMT
Dude. Seriously. If you are being "harmed" by the content in this game, grow the fuck up. Dude I'm not. My gaming experience definitely is. Can deny? It's just fact. One of those someone does not like.
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Post by timebean on Apr 21, 2017 13:39:48 GMT
Huh...I didn't even know this was a thing. I work with scientists, and I would say about 50% of them are religious. I don't know if that percentage is lower than the rest of the population, or what, but in my experience it is a very common thing for folks to have both science and faith. And these are geologists and biologists, mind you. So, I liked Suvi. She seemed normal to me!
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Post by shechinah on Apr 21, 2017 13:40:12 GMT
Haha 1. Suvi is most annoying character in the game for me. Mostly because I accidentally agreed with her and had to listen to all that non sense. But it felt so "American religous" so whatever. I'm used to think Americans are weird. In Europe you won't find all those deluded christians on every corner. 2. SJW is a label, stereotype. And that what people mean when they say it's SJW agenda in this game. And that's 100% truth. Those who share views won't feel it, because they agree and that is natural. But for me game looks simply silly. Trying to make males look weak all the time. Good luck with that. Lol. 3. So don't pretend it's about not letting others having fun. It's about bullying majority for the fun of minority. And yeah that is SJW agenda. 1. If you accidentally agreed with her, why didn't you just reload and select the option you intended? In my opinion, it did not seem a kind of religious that was in the sense of a specific country. There are people in my country that hold similar beliefs to Suvi. In my experiences, we also consider it to be equally as silly to think less of people for believing as we do to think less of people for not believing. As an additional tidbit, why do you assume Suvi is christian and why do you consider her to be delusional? 2. That holds true for almost every belief. As for the bolded, it might be beneficial for your point if you could elaborate as otherwise you've presented no arguments or even indicated through examples to other readers what you are referring to. 3. As with the above, it would once again be beneficial for your point if you could elaborate as again, you've presented no arguments or even indicated through examples to other readers what you are referring to.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 21, 2017 13:40:50 GMT
I also don't think there was any agenda to purposely make women ugly or anything. It's nonsense. People like to think that Anita Sarkeesian actually has sway with game developers and I find it laughable. I don't think any game developers give a shit about her inane claptrap. Meh, that is one thing I kinda raise my eyebrow at. I don't think it is an accident the male presets came out looking so good and the female presets came out looking, well, the way they look by accident. I've always liked BW for their inclusiveness for obvious reasons but anything can be taken too far. That said, so much stupid in this thread on both sides. It is exactly times like this that I feel like... ...because humanity is obviously a lost cause.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 21, 2017 13:44:38 GMT
+ both Krogan leaders are for some reason female.
Kesh as the bright one Morda as the strong one
...and the male Krogan, an author of the worst power play ever, gets beaten and humiliated in a worst Krogan hand to hand combat scene ever
[sarcasm] When I played TW3, it took me 40 minutes to run into a gay person, and, once it was revealed he was homosexual, I had no dialogue options to argue with him, or lecture him on how his lifestyle was unnatural and wrong. It seriously stunted my role-playing! Talk about SJW horseshit. [/sarcasm] I don't mind homosexual characters, though in MEA they went a bit too many of them. As someone has mentioned before, it seems like homosexuality is mentioned more often than straight relationships. ...but then again, they are also badly written so their existence in this game seems more forced because of that. Cortez > Gil Traynor > Suvi Krem > Hainley I still don't get Krogan leaders being only female, and general proportion between strong women vs weak\deceitful men.
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Post by heathenoxman on Apr 21, 2017 13:44:52 GMT
I also don't think there was any agenda to purposely make women ugly or anything. It's nonsense. People like to think that Anita Sarkeesian actually has sway with game developers and I find it laughable. I don't think any game developers give a shit about her inane claptrap. Meh, that is one thing I kinda raise my eyebrow at. I don't think it is an accident the male presets came out looking so good and the female presets came out looking, well, the way they look by accident. I've always liked BW for their inclusiveness for obvious reasons but anything can be taken too far. That said, so much stupid in this thread on both sides. It is exactly times like this that I feel like... ...because humanity is obviously a lost cause. The men look "good"......? *snort*
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Post by salariansupremacist on Apr 21, 2017 13:47:08 GMT
Perhaps I'm merely blinded by the nefarious SJW agenda, but I think you need to be equally ideologically charged to read the game as 'trying to make males look weak all the time'. Isn't that the sort of politicised engagement with the text that people who complain about SJWs disdain? How are 'the majority' being bullied by this game at all? Are you putting a label on my argument so it will look not as strong? Seriously? Can't be true white. All pro male characters gone or are pussies now. Asari has best melee, not melee machine Krogan. And so on and so on. True white? What in the seven hells is that? The default characters are white, there are white presets to customise. Come to think of it, what's a 'pro male character'? If you seriously can't find any male characters that aren't 'pussies' then that arguably says more about your conception of masculinity than it does anything else I think. Then again, that argument about the DPS rates of melee weapons is super compelling.
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Post by xujparisipc on Apr 21, 2017 13:47:13 GMT
Haha 1. Suvi is most annoying character in the game for me. Mostly because I accidentally agreed with her and had to listen to all that non sense. But it felt so "American religous" so whatever. I'm used to think Americans are weird. In Europe you won't find all those deluded christians on every corner. 2. SJW is a label, stereotype. And that what people mean when they say it's SJW agenda in this game. And that's 100% truth. Those who share views won't feel it, because they agree and that is natural. But for me game looks simply silly. Trying to make males look weak all the time. Good luck with that. Lol. 3. So don't pretend it's about not letting others having fun. It's about bullying majority for the fun of minority. And yeah that is SJW agenda. 1. If you accidentally agreed with her, why didn't you just reload and select the option you intended? In my opinion, it did not seem a kind of religious that was in the sense of a specific country. There are people in my country that hold similar beliefs to Suvi. In my experiences, we also consider it to be equally as silly to think less of people for believing as we do to think less of people for not believing. As an additional tidbit, why do you assume Suvi is christian and why do you consider her to be delusional? 2. That holds true for almost every belief. As for the bolded, it might be beneficial for your point if you could elaborate as otherwise you've presented no arguments or even indicated through examples to other readers what you are referring to. 3. As with the above, it would once again be beneficial for your point if you could elaborate as again, you've presented no arguments or even indicated through examples to other readers what you are referring to. Never said she is christian. But in America there are plenty of deluded christians. Why deluded. Well they claim all the extra non sense which even wasn't in the original christianity so it's very easy to see that so called religion is just man made non sense. Arguments are below, in post after that one. But who cares about them anyway. Certainly not most people here or anywhere else.
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Post by heathenoxman on Apr 21, 2017 13:47:52 GMT
[sarcasm] When I played TW3, it took me 40 minutes to run into a gay person, and, once it was revealed he was homosexual, I had no dialogue options to argue with him, or lecture him on how his lifestyle was unnatural and wrong. It seriously stunted my role-playing! Talk about SJW horseshit. [/sarcasm] I don't mind homosexual characters, though in MEA they went a bit too many of them. As someone has mentioned before, it seems like homosexuality is mentioned more often than straight relationships. ...but then again, they are also badly written so their existence in this game seems more forced because of that. Cortez > Gil Traynor > Suvi Krem > Hainley I still don't get Krogan leaders being only female, and general proportion between strong women vs weak\deceitful men. What's the "correct" number of homosexual relationships that can exist in a game? And, in the MET, the galaxy was 90% male. Men have gotten plenty of "representation" in this particular fictional universe.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 21, 2017 13:48:08 GMT
Meh, that is one thing I kinda raise my eyebrow at. I don't think it is an accident the male presets came out looking so good and the female presets came out looking, well, the way they look by accident. I've always liked BW for their inclusiveness for obvious reasons but anything can be taken too far. That said, so much stupid in this thread on both sides. It is exactly times like this that I feel like... ...because humanity is obviously a lost cause. The men look "good"......? *snort* I've seen some pretty good custom Scott's posted around here. At the very least they do resemble the typical facial proportions of homo sapiens. I don't think I could say the same for some of the female presets.
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Post by heathenoxman on Apr 21, 2017 13:52:08 GMT
The men look "good"......? *snort* I've seen some pretty good custom Scott's posted around here. At the very least they do resemble the typical facial proportions of homo sapiens. I don't think I could say the same for some of the female presets. Men naturally look "rougher" than women, so I'm guessing it's a case of male faces being rendered better via facial scanning as opposed to female faces. That being said, men still look a lot crap. And I've seen several good-looking F!Ryders.
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Loving this thread.
I'm going to say things now too!
1 , 2 The Archon is coming for you 3 , 4 Lock the tempests doors 5 , 6 Pick up a crew of six 7 , 8 Stand up straight 9 , 10 Never blink again
Please continue this thread now.😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 13:52:57 GMT
Huh...I didn't even know this was a thing. I work with scientists, and I would say about 50% of them are religious. I don't know if that percentage is lower than the rest of the population, or what, but in my experience it is a very common thing for folks to have both science and faith. And these are geologists and biologists, mind you. So, I liked Suvi. She seemed normal to me! Same here, except I work with religious folks with about 50% of them being scientists. /silly Seriously, I don't argue politics or religion. I'll discuss them a little if I know that person well and can have a friendly conversation about it, but that's it.
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Post by stysiaq on Apr 21, 2017 13:56:00 GMT
yeah, atheist edgelords are boring af, and I'm not a religious person myself. I'm sick and tired of modern game portraying all religion as evil and backwards. For example I recently finished Horizon: Zero Dawn with le evil priest blocking poor oppressed gay minority from getting to a sculpture his late lover did. Then when I got back to the quest giver Aloy didn't fail to point out that this religion forbids women from becoming priests and I rolled my eyes.
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Post by stysiaq on Apr 21, 2017 13:56:43 GMT
Okay, but what does that have to do with SJWs? everything is about esjaydoubleyous.
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Post by xujparisipc on Apr 21, 2017 13:57:29 GMT
Are you putting a label on my argument so it will look not as strong? Seriously? Can't be true white. All pro male characters gone or are pussies now. Asari has best melee, not melee machine Krogan. And so on and so on. True white? What in the seven hells is that? The default characters are white, there are white presets to customise. Come to think of it, what's a 'pro male character'? If you seriously can't find any male characters that aren't 'pussies' then that arguably says more about your conception of masculinity than it does anything else I think. Then again, that argument about the DPS rates of melee weapons is super compelling. Just in case you haven't seen in ME3 you could make really pale skin. That's gone. Sorry I'm just ignoring that you pretended not understanding what I meant. Conception of masculinity - yeah the traditional one. Responsible, brave, rational. Not some whimp Bioware would like to see. I mean not Salarian. Coincidence- promise
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