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Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 0:50:19 GMT akots, Schachmatt123, and 7 more like this

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Post by capn233 on May 5, 2017 0:50:19 GMT

Melee Test - The Headbutt Strikes Back (Updated 7 May 2017)

Headbutt
-Base damage 330.
-No weak point bonus hits observed against Assembler or Chosen.
-1x multiplier to shields and armor.

Cryo Gauntlet
-Base damage 200.
-Observed to get weak point bonus hits on Assembler (1.15x), Nullifier (1.15x), Sharpshooter (1.4x), and Chosen (1.4x).
-1x multiplier to shields and armor.
-Original here. Another test below.

Omni Blade
-Base damage 275.
-No observed weak point damage bonus hits.
-1x multiplier to shields and armor.
-Original data here.

Biotic Punch
-Base damage of 275, like the omni-blade.
-No weak point bonus hits observed against Assembler, Nullifier or Chosen
-1x multiplier to shields and armor.

Angara Knife
-Base damage of 250.
-No weak point bonus hits observed against Chosen.
-1x multiplier to shields. 2x multiplier to armor (does not apply to aerial melee however). Data below and here.

Krogan Hammer
-Base damage of 400.
-1x multiplier to shields and armor.
-Data here.

Asari Sword
-Base damage of 400.
-1x multiplier to shields and armor.
-Data here.

Aerial Melee aka Jump Melee
-Jump Melee can do total of 385 damage, of which 0.333x is potential impact if target directly hit, and 0.667x is AOE.
-Base damage appears to be the same regardless of standard melee type (tested for omniblade, biotic punch, headbutt, and angara knife).
-Does not appear to inherit protection multiplier from base melee type.

Rage
-Rank 1 25% melee damage during Rage works as expected, additive bonus.
-Rank 2 20% melee damage bonus is full time additive bonus.
-Rank 4 Melee gives 25% additive melee bonus all the time. The "25% melee bonus while enraged" is effectively 6.25% additive bonus (probably increases previous bonus by 25%, borderline false advertising).
-Rank 5 Martial Artist will stack 5% additive damage per melee, resetting every 10s if there is no melee kill. On kill bonus is essentially 4 stacks.
-Martial Artist applies to aerial / jump melee. Impact and AOE hits count separately for stacking MA bonus.
-Regular melee and jump melee both add to the same Martial Artist bonus stack.
-Rank 6 Berserker 25% melee bonus is full time additive bonus.

Consumables, Gear and Mods.
-Strength Enhancer is additive bonus.
-Juggernaut Shield is additive bonus.
-Pistol Melee and Shotgun Melee mods are additive bonuses, unlike in ME3.
-Universal Power Amp applies to melee, and is additive bonus.

***

edit 5 May to reorganize, add more jump melee and martial artist info

edit 6 May to add defense multipliers and fix omni blade link.

edit 7 May to add Asari Sword.

SPOILER: Click to show

Krogan Merc 1
Munitions 1 (5% weapon)
Rage 1 - (25% melee in Rage)

Headbutt

Assembler (Bronze)

At Timediff: 326.493 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 6.447 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.464 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.398 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.161 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.164 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.225 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.303 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 5.226 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.529 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.264 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.164 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.395 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 8.431 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.428 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.429 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.297 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.328 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.298 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.329 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.262 Health Damage : 330.000

Rage

At Timediff: 37.930 Health Damage : 412.500
At Timediff: 1.031 Health Damage : 412.500
At Timediff: 1.127 Health Damage : 412.500
At Timediff: 1.197 Health Damage : 412.500
At Timediff: 1.196 Health Damage : 412.500
At Timediff: 1.828 Health Damage : 412.500
At Timediff: 1.195 Health Damage : 412.500

330*(1+0.25) = 412.5

Jump Melee

At Timediff: 42.296 Health Damage : 256.795 <-aoe

At Timediff: 8.570 Health Damage : 128.205 <-direct impact
At Timediff: 0.009 Health Damage : 256.795

At Timediff: 2.680 Health Damage : 128.205
At Timediff: 0.008 Health Damage : 256.795

At Timediff: 9.286 Health Damage : 128.205
At Timediff: 0.007 Health Damage : 256.795

At Timediff: 12.121 Health Damage : 256.795

At Timediff: 11.230 Health Damage : 256.795

At Timediff: 2.397 Health Damage : 128.205
At Timediff: 0.008 Health Damage : 256.795

At Timediff: 3.319 Health Damage : 128.205
At Timediff: 0.009 Health Damage : 256.795

128.205+256.795=385

-0.333x as direct impact (if target hit), 0.667x AOE

Rage Jump

At Timediff: 45.360 Damage : 320.994

At Timediff: 2.293 Damage : 320.994

At Timediff: 2.058 Damage : 160.256
At Timediff: 0.007 Damage : 320.994

385*(1+0.25)=481.25

160.256+320.994=481.25

0.333*481.25=160.256

0.667*481.25=320.994

-Rage bonus applies to jump melee.

--

Kett Chosen (Tutorial)

At Timediff: 6.796 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.263 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.396 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.161 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.196 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.264 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.163 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.161 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.098 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.163 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.162 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.095 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.131 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.061 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.031 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.094 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.263 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.130 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.229 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.196 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.097 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.094 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.130 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.162 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.062 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.097 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.128 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.127 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.063 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.193 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.129 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.127 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.129 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.128 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.162 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.161 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.195 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.127 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.228 Health Damage : 330.000
At Timediff: 1.362 Health Damage : 330.000

-No weak point bonus hits observed.

***

Merc, Rage 1, Strength Enhancer I (15%), Juggernaut Shield (75%)

Khett Chosen (Tutorial)

At Timediff: 5.324 Damage : 627.000
At Timediff: 1.156 Damage : 627.000
At Timediff: 1.057 Damage : 627.000
At Timediff: 1.125 Damage : 627.000
At Timediff: 1.091 Damage : 627.000
At Timediff: 1.093 Damage : 627.000
At Timediff: 1.122 Damage : 627.000
At Timediff: 1.125 Damage : 627.000
At Timediff: 1.086 Damage : 627.000

330*(1+0.15+0.75)=627

-Strength Enhancer and Juggernaut Shield add with each other.

Jump Melee

At Timediff: 10.224 Damage : 487.910
At Timediff: 2.058 Damage : 487.910
At Timediff: 1.958 Damage : 487.910
At Timediff: 3.391 Damage : 487.910
At Timediff: 1.824 Damage : 487.910

At Timediff: 1.524 Damage : 243.589
At Timediff: 0.006 Damage : 487.910

385*(1+0.15+0.75)=731.5

731.5*.333=243.5895

731.5*.667=487.910

-Strength Enhancer and Juggernaut Shield apply to jump melee.

**

Merc, Rage 1 (25% melee*), Strength Enhancer I (15%), Juggernaut Shield (75%)

Equalizer VI - Pistol Melee X (29%)

Khett Chosen (Tutorial)

At Timediff: 6.728 Damage : 722.700 <-headbutt
At Timediff: 1.226 Damage : 722.700
At Timediff: 1.127 Damage : 722.700
At Timediff: 1.361 Damage : 722.700

At Timediff: 1.860 Damage : 280.769 <-jump melee
At Timediff: 0.009 Damage : 562.381

330*(1+0.15+0.75+0.29)=722.7

385*(1+0.15+0.75+0.29)=843.15

843.15*.333=280.769
843.15*.667=562.381

-Pistol melee mod is pyjak style additive bonus.

Katana X - Shotgun Melee X (33%)

At Timediff: 35.277 Damage : 735.900
At Timediff: 1.230 Damage : 735.900

At Timediff: 1.657 Damage : 285.897
At Timediff: 0.008 Damage : 572.653

330*(1+0.15+0.75+0.33)=735.9

385*(1+0.15+0.75+0.33)=858.55

858.55*.333=285.897
858.55*.667=572.653

Rage, Katana X

At Timediff: 64.580 Damage : 818.400
At Timediff: 1.461 Damage : 818.400
At Timediff: 1.327 Damage : 818.400
At Timediff: 1.263 Damage : 818.400

330*(1+0.15+0.75+0.25+0.33)=818.4

-Shotgun melee mod is pyjak style additive bonus.

***

Krogan Engineer

Rage 1 (25% melee*)
Rage 2 (20% melee)

At Timediff: 187.059 Damage : 396.000
At Timediff: 6.752 Damage : 396.000
At Timediff: 2.928 Damage : 396.000

330*(1+0.2)=396

Rage

At Timediff: 41.063 Damage : 478.500
At Timediff: 3.295 Damage : 478.500
At Timediff: 1.028 Damage : 478.500

330*(1+0.25+0.2)=478.5

--

Rage 1 (25% melee*)
Rage 2 (20% melee)
Rage 4 Melee (25% melee, 25% melee* when enraged)

At Timediff: 1.763 Damage : 478.500
At Timediff: 1.698 Damage : 478.500
At Timediff: 1.761 Damage : 478.500

330*(1+0.2+0.25)=478.5

Rage

At Timediff: 15.896 Damage : 581.625
At Timediff: 1.065 Damage : 581.625
At Timediff: 0.996 Damage : 581.625

330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25)=643.5 // Rank 4 Rage bonus not applying in expected manner

330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+x)=581.625

330*(1.7+x)=581.625

330x+561=581.625 x=0.0625

-Rank 4 rage "bonus" is equivalent of 6.25% additive bonus.

--

Rage 1 (25% melee*)
Rage 2 (20% melee)
Rage 4 Melee (25% melee, 25% melee* when enraged)
Rank 6 Berserker (25% melee)

At Timediff: 7.494 Damage : 561.000
At Timediff: 2.027 Damage : 561.000
At Timediff: 1.161 Damage : 561.000

330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25)=561

Rage

At Timediff: 9.294 Damage : 664.125
At Timediff: 1.461 Damage : 664.125
At Timediff: 0.994 Damage : 664.125

330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625)=664.125

-Berserker melee bonus applied all the time.

--

Krogan Engineer

Rage 1 (25% melee*)
Rage 2 (20% melee)
Rage 4 Melee (25% melee, 25% melee* when enraged)
Rank 5 Martial Arts (5% melee per hit, 20% per kill, max 65%)
Rank 6 Berserker (25% melee)

Khett Chosen (Tutorial)

Rage, Martial Artist

At Timediff: 5.894 Damage : 680.625 <-not sure why we are starting with martial artist bonus
At Timediff: 1.124 Damage : 697.125
At Timediff: 1.159 Damage : 713.625
At Timediff: 1.093 Damage : 730.125
At Timediff: 1.125 Damage : 664.125 <-martial artist reset
At Timediff: 1.026 Damage : 680.625 <-one stack
At Timediff: 1.060 Damage : 697.125

330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625)=664.125

At Timediff: 13.630 Damage : 664.125 <-no martial artist bonus
At Timediff: 1.088 Damage : 680.625
At Timediff: 1.060 Damage : 697.125
At Timediff: 1.025 Damage : 713.625
At Timediff: 1.160 Damage : 730.125
At Timediff: 1.026 Damage : 746.625
At Timediff: 1.057 Damage : 763.125
At Timediff: 1.026 Damage : 779.625
At Timediff: 1.124 Damage : 796.125
At Timediff: 1.158 Damage : 812.625
At Timediff: 1.027 Damage : 664.125 <-no martial artist bonus
At Timediff: 1.091 Damage : 680.625
At Timediff: 0.992 Damage : 697.125
At Timediff: 1.159 Damage : 713.625
At Timediff: 1.093 Damage : 730.125
At Timediff: 1.093 Damage : 746.625
At Timediff: 1.090 Damage : 763.125
At Timediff: 1.092 Damage : 779.625
At Timediff: 1.125 Damage : 796.125
At Timediff: 1.160 Damage : 812.625
At Timediff: 1.122 Damage : 664.125 <-no martial artist bonus
At Timediff: 1.091 Damage : 680.625
At Timediff: 1.125 Damage : 697.125

At Timediff: 21.124 Damage : 664.125 <-no martial artist bonus
At Timediff: 2.125 Damage : 680.625
At Timediff: 1.654 Damage : 697.125
At Timediff: 1.057 Damage : 713.625
At Timediff: 1.158 Damage : 730.125
At Timediff: 1.025 Damage : 746.625
At Timediff: 1.025 Damage : 763.125
At Timediff: 0.992 Damage : 779.625
At Timediff: 1.022 Damage : 664.125 <-no martial artist bonus

330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625)=664.125 // Rage with no martial artist stacks

330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.05)=680.625 //let's look at MA stacks
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.10)=697.125
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.15)=713.625
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.20)=730.125
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.25)=746.625
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.30)=763.125
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.35)=779.625
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.40)=796.125
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.45)=812.625
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.50)=829.125
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.55)=845.625
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.60)=862.125
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.65)=878.625

Rage, Killed other Unit

At Timediff: 8.225 Damage : 763.125
At Timediff: 1.325 Damage : 779.625
At Timediff: 1.092 Damage : 796.125
At Timediff: 1.024 Damage : 812.625
At Timediff: 1.025 Damage : 825.000 <-unit hp too low for this test

--

Chosen (Gold)

Rage

At Timediff: 25.796 Damage : 878.625 <-MA stack limit, post kills
At Timediff: 1.157 Damage : 878.625

At Timediff: 9.796 Damage : 779.625
At Timediff: 1.397 Damage : 796.125
At Timediff: 0.993 Damage : 812.625
At Timediff: 1.129 Damage : 829.125
At Timediff: 1.062 Damage : 845.625
At Timediff: 1.097 Damage : 862.125
At Timediff: 1.063 Damage : 878.625
At Timediff: 1.132 Damage : 664.125 <-no martial artist bonus
At Timediff: 1.094 Damage : 680.625
At Timediff: 1.097 Damage : 697.125
At Timediff: 1.092 Damage : 713.625
At Timediff: 1.063 Damage : 730.125
At Timediff: 1.163 Damage : 746.625
At Timediff: 1.096 Damage : 763.125
At Timediff: 1.063 Damage : 779.625
At Timediff: 1.095 Damage : 796.125
At Timediff: 1.063 Damage : 812.625
At Timediff: 1.095 Damage : 664.125 <-no martial artist bonus
At Timediff: 1.065 Damage : 680.625
At Timediff: 1.060 Damage : 697.125
At Timediff: 1.063 Damage : 713.625
At Timediff: 1.130 Damage : 730.125

--

Bronze Assembler

Melee canisters in between

At Timediff: 11.962 Damage : 561.000
At Timediff: 17.628 Damage : 561.000
At Timediff: 12.395 Damage : 561.000

-No MA stacks for meleeing canisters.

****

Huntress Level 1 (no passive)

Biotic Punch

Assembler (Bronze)

HP, 1493908901, 534.038, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908902, 535.373, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908903, 536.438, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908908, 541.539, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908909, 542.472, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908910, 543.374, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908911, 544.905, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908913, 546.105, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908914, 547.105, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908916, 549.038, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908921, 554.105, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908922, 555.405, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908923, 556.638, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908930, 563.172, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908934, 567.073, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908935, 568.205, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908936, 569.373, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908937, 570.505, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493908938, 571.538, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
Type, osTime, osClock, Address, Max, Before, After, Diff
HP, 1493909034, 667.339, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909035, 668.539, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909036, 669.572, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909037, 670.639, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909040, 673.272, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909045, 678.139, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909048, 681.039, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909050, 683.572, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909051, 684.639, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909056, 689.206, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909057, 690.306, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909058, 691.505, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909059, 692.939, 8B4B1480, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000

Nullifier (Bronze)

Type, osTime, osClock, Address, Max, Before, After, Diff
HP, 1493909404, 1037.240, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2597.000, 2322.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909405, 1038.407, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909407, 1040.174, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909408, 1041.040, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909408, 1041.874, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909410, 1043.641, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909412, 1045.907, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909415, 1048.207, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909417, 1050.307, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909419, 1052.507, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909421, 1054.741, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909422, 1055.874, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909425, 1058.240, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909427, 1060.407, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909468, 1101.275, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909469, 1102.075, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909471, 1104.875, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909473, 1106.941, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909475, 1108.140, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909477, 1110.408, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909479, 1112.708, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909480, 1113.807, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909483, 1116.241, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909508, 1141.707, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909509, 1142.641, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909510, 1143.508, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909513, 1146.174, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909515, 1148.374, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909517, 1150.541, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000
HP, 1493909519, 1152.841, 939D0B90, 2640.000, 2640.000, 2365.000, -275.000

Kett Chosen (Tutorial)

Type, osTime, osClock, Address, Max, Before, After, Diff
HP, 1493927638, 231.446, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927644, 237.114, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927645, 238.146, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927647, 240.214, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927651, 243.946, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927652, 245.114, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927653, 246.379, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927654, 247.580, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927655, 248.746, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927657, 249.946, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927658, 251.146, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927659, 252.480, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927660, 253.679, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927662, 254.946, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927663, 256.614, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927666, 259.613, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927668, 261.414, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927672, 265.779, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927674, 266.946, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927675, 268.213, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927676, 269.446, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927677, 270.614, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927679, 271.914, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927680, 273.246, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927683, 276.214, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927684, 277.446, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927685, 278.780, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927687, 280.115, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927688, 281.446, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927690, 283.014, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000
HP, 1493927691, 284.280, 8AF2FE10, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000

-No weak point bonus observed for biotic punch.

***

Salarian Architect (no melee passive) v Chosen (Tutorial)

At Timediff: 8.660 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 5.195 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 2.493 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 4.262 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 8.796 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 5.291 Damage : 280.000 <-wp
At Timediff: 8.894 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 6.195 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 1.761 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 2.561 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 2.128 Damage : 280.000 <-wp
At Timediff: 2.428 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 7.761 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 1.828 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 4.495 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 2.927 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 8.995 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 5.795 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 5.995 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 1.627 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 8.894 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 2.761 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 1.427 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 1.561 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 6.527 Damage : 280.000 <-wp
At Timediff: 2.094 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 2.728 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 9.060 Damage : 200.000

At Timediff: 54.296 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 4.759 Damage : 200.000
At Timediff: 1.795 Damage : 280.000 <-wp

200*1.4=280

-just checking again...
-Melee tracking makes it difficult to actually aim for a specific spot with melee. Was easiest with Khett frozen on ground, but melee often tracks to center of mass unless aimed off target.

***

Krogan Engineer

Rage 1 (25% melee*)
Rage 2 (20% melee)
Rage 4 Melee (25% melee, 25% melee* when enraged)
Rank 5 Martial Arts (5% melee per hit, 20% per kill, max 65%)
Rank 6 Berserker (25% melee)

Jump Melee Martial Artist Test

Rage Active

Chosen (Tutorial)

At Timediff: 11.293 Damage : 258.013 <- 0 stack impact
At Timediff: 0.012 Damage : 529.640 <- 1 stack AOE

At Timediff: 2.250 Damage : 270.833 <- 2 stack impact
At Timediff: 1.994 Damage : 555.319 <- 3 stack AOE

At Timediff: 2.095 Damage : 730.125 <- 4 stack headbutt

At Timediff: 1.760 Damage : 580.999 <- 5 stack AOE

At Timediff: 2.062 Damage : 664.125 <- 0 stack headbutt

At Timediff: 2.260 Damage : 264.423 <- 1 stack impact
At Timediff: 0.009 Damage : 542.479 <- 2 stack AOE

At Timediff: 2.947 Damage : 277.243 <- 3 stack impact
At Timediff: 0.006 Damage : 568.159 <- 4 stack AOE

At Timediff: 2.083 Damage : 290.064 <- 5 stack impact
At Timediff: 0.006 Damage : 593.838 <- 6 stack AOE

At Timediff: 2.183 Damage : 302.884 <- 7 stack impact
At Timediff: 0.006 Damage : 619.518 <- 8 stack AOE

At Timediff: 2.515 Damage : 516.800 <- 0 stack AOE

At Timediff: 2.128 Damage : 529.640 <- 1 stack AOE

status post kill

At Timediff: 5.927 Damage : 309.295 <- 8 stack impact
At Timediff: 0.006 Damage : 632.358 <- 9 stack AOE

At Timediff: 1.815 Damage : 322.115 <- 10 stack impact
At Timediff: 0.007 Damage : 658.037 <- 11 stack AOE

At Timediff: 1.847 Damage : 334.936 <- 12 stack impact
At Timediff: 0.006 Damage : 683.717 <- 13 stack AOE (max)

Jump Melee Martial Artist Stacks Total -> Impact, AOE

385*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625)=774.813 -> 258.013, 516.8

385*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.05)=794.063 -> 264.423, 529.640
385*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.10)=813.313 -> 270.833, 542.479
385*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.15)=832.563 -> 277.243, 555.319
385*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.20)=851.813 -> 283.654, 568.159
385*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.25)=871.063 -> 290.064, 580.999
385*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.30)=890.313 -> 296.474, 593.838
385*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.35)=909.563 -> 302.884, 606.678
385*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.40)=928.813 -> 309.295, 619.518
385*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.45)=948.063 -> 315.705, 632.358
385*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.50)=967.313 -> 322.115, 645.197
385*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.55)=986.563 -> 328.525, 658.037
385*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.60)=1005.813-> 334.936, 670.877
385*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.65)=1025.063-> 341.346, 683.717

Headbutt stacks on this character

330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625)=664.125

330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.05)=680.625
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.10)=697.125
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.15)=713.625
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.20)=730.125
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.25)=746.625
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.30)=763.125
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.35)=779.625
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.40)=796.125
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.45)=812.625
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.50)=829.125
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.55)=845.625
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.60)=862.125
330*(1+0.2+0.25+0.25+0.25+0.0625+0.65)=878.625

-Martial Artist bonus applies to jump melee.
-Impact and AOE hits from jump melee count as separate hits.
-Standard melee and jump melee hits all count towards the same Martial Artist stack count.

***

Insurgent (no passive)

Melee

Chosen (Tutorial)

At Timediff: 0.895 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.891 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.894 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.996 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.428 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.195 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.162 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.995 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.960 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.927 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.895 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.995 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.160 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.927 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 2.656 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.927 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.027 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.528 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 3.695 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.528 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.927 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.962 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.994 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.928 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.027 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.059 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.060 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.926 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.993 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.162 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.892 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.893 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.093 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.959 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.029 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 18.725 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.894 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.893 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.925 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.927 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.929 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.925 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.160 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 11.594 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.859 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.993 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.059 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.894 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.961 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.859 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.994 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.193 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.994 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.991 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.993 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.961 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.925 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 5.959 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.027 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.960 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.961 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.959 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.027 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.927 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.926 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.093 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.893 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.860 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 1.027 Damage : 250.000
At Timediff: 0.926 Damage : 250.000

Jump Melee

At Timediff: 11.260 Damage : 128.205
At Timediff: 0.007 Damage : 256.795

At Timediff: 4.278 Damage : 256.795

At Timediff: 1.794 Damage : 128.205
At Timediff: 0.007 Damage : 256.795

128.205+256.795=385

***

Aerial / Jump melee

Cryo Aerial / Jump Melee - SA no passive

Chosen (Tutorial)

At Timediff: 7.359 Damage : 128.205
At Timediff: 0.009 Damage : 256.795

-sum is 385

Biotic Punch Aerial / Jump Melee - Huntress no passive

At Timediff: 8.331 Damage : 256.795

At Timediff: 4.761 Damage : 128.205
At Timediff: 0.008 Damage : 256.795

Omni Blade Aerial / Jump Melee - HI no passive

At Timediff: 790.883 Damage : 256.795

At Timediff: 4.195 Damage : 128.205
At Timediff: 0.011 Damage : 256.795

***

Krogan Merc
Rage 1

Universal Power Amp I (5%)

Melee Assembler (Bronze)

At Timediff: 6.725 Damage : 346.500
At Timediff: 2.095 Damage : 346.500
At Timediff: 1.160 Damage : 346.500
At Timediff: 0.992 Damage : 346.500
At Timediff: 1.060 Damage : 346.500
At Timediff: 2.094 Damage : 346.500
At Timediff: 1.993 Damage : 346.500
At Timediff: 1.126 Damage : 346.500
At Timediff: 10.293 Damage : 346.500
At Timediff: 3.027 Damage : 346.500
At Timediff: 1.193 Damage : 346.500

330*(1+0.05)=346.5

-Universal Power Amp applies to melee.

****

Further Defense Testing

Biotic Punch, Huntress (no passive)

Bronze Sharpshooter

Type, osTime, osClock, Address, Max, Before, After, Diff
SH, 1494082193, 505.583, 9F1C5850, 412.500, 412.500, 137.500, -275.000

Bronze Pariah

Type, osTime, osClock, Address, Max, Before, After, Diff
HP, 1494082332, 644.384, 8DDE3C30, 1237.500, 1237.500, 962.500, -275.000
HP, 1494082334, 646.917, 8DDE3C30, 1237.500, 1237.500, 962.500, -275.000
HP, 1494082335, 648.083, 8DDE3C30, 1237.500, 1237.500, 962.500, -275.000

-punch has 1x multiplier to shields and armor.

--

Omni Blade, HI (no passive)

Sharpshooter Shields (Gold)

SH, 1494082658, 970.715, 8F421960, 1187.500, 1187.500, 912.500, -275.000
SH, 1494082663, 975.313, 8F421960, 1187.500, 1187.500, 912.500, -275.000
SH, 1494082676, 989.246, 8F421960, 1187.500, 1187.500, 912.500, -275.000
SH, 1494082678, 991.178, 8F421960, 1187.500, 1187.500, 912.500, -275.000

Pariah (Gold)

HP, 1494082722, 1034.946, 9C237830, 3562.500, 3562.500, 3287.500, -275.000
HP, 1494082723, 1035.849, 9C237830, 3562.500, 3562.500, 3287.500, -275.000
HP, 1494082724, 1037.079, 9C237830, 3562.500, 3562.500, 3287.500, -275.000

- OmniBlade has 1x multiplier to shields and armor.

--

Headbutt - Krogan Merc (Rage 1)

Sharpshooter Shields (Gold)

SH, 1494082950, 1262.583, 94B5D4B0, 1187.500, 1187.500, 857.500, -330.000
SH, 1494082951, 1264.017, 94B5D4B0, 1187.500, 1187.500, 857.500, -330.000

Saboteur Armor (Gold)

HP, 1494082999, 1311.552, 91631070, 3562.500, 3562.500, 3232.500, -330.000
HP, 1494083000, 1312.716, 91631070, 3562.500, 3562.500, 3232.500, -330.000
HP, 1494083030, 1342.752, 91631070, 3562.500, 3562.500, 3232.500, -330.000

-Headbutt has 1x multiplier to shields and armor.

--

Cryo Gauntlet, SA (8% wpn passive, no melee passive)

Shaprshooter (Gold)

SH, 1494083455, 1768.287, 934FA570, 1187.500, 1187.500, 907.500, -280.000 <-weak point
SH, 1494083457, 1769.687, 934FA570, 1187.500, 1187.500, 987.500, -200.000
SH, 1494083459, 1771.487, 934FA570, 1187.500, 1187.500, 987.500, -200.000
SH, 1494083460, 1773.020, 934FA570, 1187.500, 1187.500, 987.500, -200.000

SH, 1494083481, 1793.320, 975E9E20, 1187.500, 1187.500, 987.500, -200.000
SH, 1494083482, 1794.720, 975E9E20, 1187.500, 1187.500, 987.500, -200.000
SH, 1494083487, 1799.354, 975E9E20, 1187.500, 1187.500, 987.500, -200.000
SH, 1494083488, 1800.520, 975E9E20, 1187.500, 1187.500, 987.500, -200.000
SH, 1494083491, 1803.587, 975E9E20, 1187.500, 1187.500, 987.500, -200.000

-Cryo Gauntlet has 1x multiplier to shields, another weak point hit observed.

--

Angara Knife, Insurgent (no passive)

Sharpshooter Shield (Gold)

SH, 1494083856, 2169.193, 9838F690, 1187.500, 1187.500, 937.500, -250.000
SH, 1494083858, 2170.457, 9838F690, 1187.500, 1187.500, 937.500, -250.000
SH, 1494083864, 2177.257, 9838F690, 1187.500, 1187.500, 937.500, -250.000
SH, 1494083867, 2179.525, 9838F690, 1187.500, 1187.500, 937.500, -250.000
SH, 1494083868, 2180.689, 9838F690, 1187.500, 1187.500, 937.500, -250.000
SH, 1494083869, 2181.657, 9838F690, 1187.500, 1187.500, 937.500, -250.000

Anarchist Armor (Gold)

HP, 1494083910, 2222.824, 9B883A70, 3562.500, 3562.500, 3062.500, -500.000
HP, 1494083911, 2223.892, 9B883A70, 3562.500, 3562.500, 3062.500, -500.000
HP, 1494083912, 2224.889, 9B883A70, 3562.500, 3562.500, 3062.500, -500.000
HP, 1494083916, 2229.190, 9B883A70, 3562.500, 3562.500, 3062.500, -500.000
HP, 1494083917, 2230.157, 9B883A70, 3562.500, 3562.500, 3062.500, -500.000

-Angara knife has 1x multiplier to shields, 2x to armor.

Jump Melee v Armor

HP, 1494085401, 422.343, 91D1C8E0, 3562.500, 3562.500, 3434.295, -128.205
HP, 1494085401, 422.348, 91D1C8E0, 3562.500, 3562.500, 3305.705, -256.795

-Armor multiplier of knife does not apply to jump / aerial melee.

Last Edit: May 7, 2017 21:59:41 GMT by capn233

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Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 2:00:01 GMT via mobile

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Post by Zerfidius on May 5, 2017 2:00:01 GMT

Pyjak style additive bonus indeed. Oh well. At least we got big jug equipment to balance out the loss of the me3 blade attachment mechanics. Unlikely a dlc shotgun omni blade will be multiplicative, but we can always hope.

Thanks again for all the testing.

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peddroelm N3 Posts: 482 Likes: 1,423 peddroelm inherit Male 7709 0 Nov 2, 2022 4:08:33 GMT 1,423 peddroelm 482 N3 Apr 16, 2017 13:06:59 GMT April 2017 peddroelm	Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 2:16:59 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by peddroelm on May 5, 2017 2:16:59 GMT rage 4b smells bad. At least 25% extra additive. *1.25 to all would've been to much to ask .. capn233 please clarify Jump melee. Is that base damage . 385 / 330 = 1.16666
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Post by lennybusker on May 5, 2017 2:18:20 GMT

Combo table is complete. Well, I verified every self-combo I could, and then verified in one match that cross-player combos are the same as self-combos, so with that assumption I have enough to go on to fill the entire table. I'll get around to manually verifying each of them eventually.

edit: link made private for now while we suss out some issues

Is this worth putting in its own thread?

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tyrion26 N1 Posts: 21 Likes: 9 tyrion26 inherit Male 8080 0 Jan 20, 2022 1:33:22 GMT 9 tyrion26 21 N1 Apr 28, 2017 17:36:04 GMT April 2017 tyrion26	Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 2:26:20 GMT via mobile Evil likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by tyrion26 on May 5, 2017 2:26:20 GMT That Krogan head butt also seems to be able to hit more than one enemy. Ive killed multiple enemies at once with them being very close together with a single head butt.

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Post by tyrion26 on May 5, 2017 2:32:51 GMT

May 5, 2017 2:18:20 GMT lennybusker said:

Combo table is complete. Well, I verified every self-combo I could, and then verified in one match that cross-player combos are the same as self-combos, so with that assumption I have enough to go on to fill the entire table. I'll get around to manually verifying each of them eventually. Is this worth putting in its own thread?

That file is friggin awesome, well done. It'd buy you a beer if I could. Any idea if the defense debuff from elemental tech(HuEng,KroEng) increases combo damage from tech/cryo/fire combos?

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May 5, 2017 2:32:51 GMT tyrion26 said:

May 5, 2017 2:18:20 GMT lennybusker said:

Combo table is complete. Well, I verified every self-combo I could, and then verified in one match that cross-player combos are the same as self-combos, so with that assumption I have enough to go on to fill the entire table. I'll get around to manually verifying each of them eventually.

Is this worth putting in its own thread?

That file is friggin awesome, well done. It'd buy you a beer if I could. Any idea if the defense debuff from elemental tech(HuEng,KroEng) increases combo damage from tech/cryo/fire combos?

I believe so, I had Elemental Tech on my HuEng when I did this:

HP, 1493941365, 2771.330, 977D92D0, 825.000, 825.000, 773.970, -51.030 Cryo Beam - Targeted
HP, 1493941365, 2771.530, 977D92D0, 825.000, 825.000, 773.970, -51.030
HP, 1493941365, 2771.796, 977D92D0, 825.000, 825.000, 802.320, -22.680 (think this is the dot from a bit of AOE Cryo)
HP, 1493941365, 2772.196, 977D92D0, 825.000, 825.000, 582.000, -243.000 Overload
HP, 1493941365, 2772.198, 977D92D0, 825.000, 825.000, 521.250, -303.750 Combo
HP, 1493941370, 2776.363, 977D92D0, 825.000, 825.000, 802.320, -22.680

303.75 / 1.35 = 225

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May 5, 2017 2:18:20 GMT lennybusker said:

Combo table is complete. Well, I verified every self-combo I could, and then verified in one match that cross-player combos are the same as self-combos, so with that assumption I have enough to go on to fill the entire table. I'll get around to manually verifying each of them eventually.

Is this worth putting in its own thread?

Great work.

So Throw and Shockwave only detonate for 75% and 50% of the expected combo damage, respectively. Presumably a bug, or do you think there's some hidden logic to it?

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May 5, 2017 3:04:44 GMT cato said:

May 5, 2017 2:18:20 GMT lennybusker said:

Combo table is complete. Well, I verified every self-combo I could, and then verified in one match that cross-player combos are the same as self-combos, so with that assumption I have enough to go on to fill the entire table. I'll get around to manually verifying each of them eventually.

Is this worth putting in its own thread?

Great work.

So Throw and Shockwave only detonate for 75% and 50% of the expected combo damage, respectively. Presumably a bug, or do you think there's some hidden logic to it?

Yeah we're searching for some logic behind it right now.

If I had to guess, I would say that it's because those two (with proper Throw evo) can multi-detonate multiple targets.

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cato and tyrion26 would you mind editing the link out of your quotes, just for now? we're dealing with some very strange oddities and I don't want to unleash this data on the world until we can account for some variation in what other folks are seeing.

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May 5, 2017 4:59:34 GMT lennybusker said:

cato and tyrion26 would you mind editing the link out of your quotes, just for now? we're dealing with some very strange oddities and I don't want to unleash this data on the world until we can account for some variation in what other folks are seeing.

Sure thing.

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May 5, 2017 2:26:20 GMT tyrion26 said:

That Krogan head butt also seems to be able to hit more than one enemy. Ive killed multiple enemies at once with them being very close together with a single head butt.

I think all melee attacks can hit multiple enemies. I've not used a Krogan yet, but with my FeHuVan I know I've clocked several enemies with the same punch.

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May 5, 2017 7:37:11 GMT hanskey said:

May 5, 2017 2:26:20 GMT tyrion26 said:

That Krogan head butt also seems to be able to hit more than one enemy. Ive killed multiple enemies at once with them being very close together with a single head butt.

I think all melee attacks can hit multiple enemies. I've not used a Krogan yet, but with my FeHuVan I know I've clocked several enemies with the same punch.

I've seen this too, but the krogans hitbox connects much easier with surrounding enemies. And as neutered as they are that's a good thing.

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Hi all - Been lurking for a while and finally decided to contribute.

May 4, 2017 17:23:17 GMT bjorndadwarf said:

May 4, 2017 17:17:59 GMT JRandall0308 said:

The barrels seems to do insane damage when Pulled / Thrown by a Kineticist. But that may be hard to test given her UR status.

I occasionally see really crazy damage spikes from certain kinds of explosions, like I've two or three shot nullifiers a handful of times and it usually involves a barrel exploding at the same time that a combo is going off. People have reported something similar with Pull/Hammer from the UR Krogan (which I still don't have). Initially I thought someone else must have been attacking a unit at the same time I was, but I've definitely seen it when I was alone in a room too.

I don't know if it's something that is reproducible easily, but I do think there's something that's occasionally wonky specifically with explosions and some kind of multiplied damage.

I have a theory about this^

Hypothesis:
Part 1 (extrapolation/guesswork): Barrel objects themselves have a damage multiplier or similar bonus when hit, to allow small caliber weapons to detonate easily.
Part 2 (more or less confirmed): AoE attacks gain damage bonuses to the whole AoE, not just individual targets.
Part 3 (logic/extrapolation): AoE attacks hit things in an (unknown) order, so target2 gets hit for any weakpoint/bonus damage target1 had.
Combined: AoE hits barrel first, gets damage multiplied, hits everything else for the now multiplied damage.

Anecdotal evidence:
Cobra that can kill multiple destroyers when hitting one's weakspot.
Krogan Gladiator hammer insta-killing nearby nullifier when used on a pulled mook.
Fire barrels able to insta-kill nullifiers/berserkers on any AoE attack including ground melee (Mostly nova/shockwave for me as a vanguard main)
^ If this last one is not 100% repeatable, then it likely depends on if the AoE decides it hits the barrel or the mob first.

Also of note: Krogan Gladiator hammer melee does over 2x damage against targets pulled, even at rank1 (2+sliver unpulled on tutorial, instakill when pulled, no equipment/melee mod).
Punch melee does not show any increase on human with pull R1, and only marginal if 30% debuff spec.

Stacked with the copious debuffs the Gladiator can attain, this leads to massive AoE melee damage as weakpoint bonuses seem to multiply the attack itself, not the target.

Additional info about menu weapon damage numbers vs ingame being different:
There's a bug where swapping out a weapon from slot1 with 2 mods will not unequip the mods that weapon had. Any weapon of that class will then show the bonus as if those mods are equipped.
Numbers reset to their correct values when swapping character and back.
Numbers reset to their correct values when starting a lobby.
Alternatively, you'd have to equip and unequip (clear slot, not swap) each mod in turn to remove it from being equipped but hidden.
In summary: To avoid wrong numbers, don't swap slot1 weapon/mods, or only check directly after swapping char/starting new lobby.

There's also a different bug where upon first logging in or returning from a lobby, passive skills are added twice (like damage and max ammo from apex training).
These bugs are all fixed when ingame: Ammo counts and such return to normal, so at least there's that.

Also seems like SR weight reduction mod applies to both slots while equipped, so best to avoid 2 of the same weapon mods just in case.
Can even reduce weight of SRs twice by having one weight reduction mod in both equipped weapons

Since this updates dynamically unlike the other bugs, this one may affect ingame too.
Test proposal: Lightest SR and heaviest SR on a class with a long power cooldown. Stopwatch test with weight mod on one, then repeat test with mod on the other.
If bugged ingame, times will match (and possibly be further reduced by having the mod on both at once).

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May 5, 2017 13:26:04 GMT huntedhunt said:

Hi all - Been lurking for a while and finally decided to contribute.

There's also a different bug where upon first logging in or returning from a lobby, passive skills are added twice (like damage and max ammo from apex training).
These bugs are all fixed when ingame: Ammo counts and such return to normal, so at least there's that.

Also seems like SR weight reduction mod applies to both slots while equipped, so best to avoid 2 of the same weapon mods just in case.
Can even reduce weight of SRs twice by having one weight reduction mod in both equipped weapons

Since this updates dynamically unlike the other bugs, this one may affect ingame too.
Test proposal: Lightest SR and heaviest SR on a class with a long power cooldown. Stopwatch test with weight mod on one, then repeat test with mod on the other.
If bugged ingame, times will match (and possibly be further reduced by having the mod on both at once).

Wow, awesome finds.

Just to update anyone wondering what happened to the combo damage table, here's where we're at.

Based on my tests, I see 3 different classes of primer skills (light, medium, heavy) and 3 different classes of detonator skills, when combined you have 9 different base combo damage values. The damage values I had are: 62.5, 93.75, 112.5, 125, 137.5, 168.75, 206.25, 225, 275. (It makes more sense when you see it laid out in tabular format, lol)

The problem we're having is that other testers are seeing different base values. Some are getting my numbers but some are getting a different set of numbers. They're consistent, but consistently different. So for instance while my Annihilation -> Lance is doing a 275 damage base, other testers are seeing 350. My Throw combo is 75% of that, so 206.25. Their Throw combo is also 75%, but at 262.5.

So far we have 5 people tested, with 3 of us getting the low values and 2 getting the higher values, and we can't square it. Even went so far as to compare hashes between every game file. Checked both Windows 7 and Windows 10. Checked versions of the game between base and Deluxe. Nothing adds up!

So that's where we're stuck. It would be really nice to figure that out, I don't want to unleash the table out there until we understand what's going on. Currently trying to come up with an easily repeatable test without the combat logger so that we can have everyone try it out. Something like "X/Y Combo with 2 melees to kill a Chosen" and if the higher combo folks only need 1 melee, well that's more data, so good times.

Edit: In the meantime, if anyone else is combat logging for tests and would like to share their damage for different combos, that would be helpful.

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I suppose some stats for the Asari Duelist are entirely out of the question?

Is the Asari Sword / Krogan Hammer base damage 400 like the wiki says (Cryo-Gauntlet, Biotic Amp, and Firaan all seem to follow these base stats)? What is Asari Sword jump melee's base damage?

How do her melee bonuses stack up percentage-wise? Additively, I'd assume. I guess this would be pretty much the same as Asari Adept's melee bonuses, for testing purposes.

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Could the combo base damage differences have anything to do with the enemy you are using it on? Much like different enemies have varying headshot multipliers, maybe they are affected by combo damage differently as well. Which would be extremely annoying.

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At least 25% extra additive. *1.25 to all would've been to much to ask ..

capn233 please clarify Jump melee. Is that base damage . 385 / 330 = 1.16666

Aerial or jump melee is 385 base for all the melee styles I looked at. Thought it was posted before, but I can put the logs in this afternoon.

I don't have a character with Asari sword yet though. Oh and I haven't looked at angara.

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Only character in MP with Asari Sword is the Asari Duelist who is Ultra-Rare. Good news is she kicks as even at Rank I so have fun when you do unlock her.

Angara Insurgent is only Rare so he shouldn't be too hard to unlock and test his base melee with.

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May 5, 2017 15:02:48 GMT capn233 said:

May 5, 2017 2:16:59 GMT peddroelm said:

rage 4b smells bad.

At least 25% extra additive. *1.25 to all would've been to much to ask ..

capn233 please clarify Jump melee. Is that base damage . 385 / 330 = 1.16666

Aerial or jump melee is 385 base for all the melee styles I looked at. Thought it was posted before, but I can put the logs in this afternoon.

I don't have a character with Asari sword yet though. Oh and I haven't looked at angara.

I kinda figured that, and that's perfectly understandable. Thought it couldn't hurt to ask, though. : )

So Aerial Melee damage is 385 for all the melee styles tested, even though their base melee damage is vastly different? (200 Cryo vs 275 Biotic Amp vs 330 Headbutt).

That's an interesting tidbit. I mostly use jump melee to not get staggered in melee range, but its damage may not be as worth it as I thought if the wiki's numbers are actually correct for Krohammer and Asari Sword (400).

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May 5, 2017 13:57:22 GMT lennybusker said:

So for instance while my Annihilation -> Lance is doing a 275 damage base, other testers are seeing 350.

Currently trying to come up with an easily repeatable test without the combat logger so that we can have everyone try it out.

Mostly repeatable test sofar:

Tutorial mission,
Human Sential with 0 points spent (Level 1 Rank X Male in my case)
Throw/ED combo is doing one of two things for me:

steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/826818638579384727/7CA9EA41F07AEA315D26CBCA16D9BDC629B5B3DC/
(Nearkill: 50 throw, 160 ed, 250 collision, ~350 combo?)
or this:
steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/826818638579513881/820DC1E9701DD21B5C36D370EF25DCD96E444A91/

This is with throw+ED separately for no combo:
steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/826818638579468912/884638134B6F9A1BB0D46283878375F000CA09A0/

Given the similarity of the last 2 and the tight timing of the throw/ED combo, it's as if it's showing the visual for a combo but doing no extra damage or something.

Edit: Primary damage doesn't seem to change when second chosen nearby. When combo works, second nearby chosen is left at this:
steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/826818638579569390/148DF5349327BF063DD84232621705D24726162C/
350 damage (give or take - I'm using paint and comparing HP bar percentages, so my numbers can be +/-30 though more reliable near mid-hp )

When combo does no damage but explodes, second chosen may have been hit by force once (killed by 'throw' as he fell off), but not managed to see any secondary damage yet.

False combo triggered reliably at edge of combo range for timing of throw/immediate ED - Closer and no combo, further and regular damage combo (too far and no combo again). Either multiple stages of priming or just host desync within the solo tutorial mission :/

Basically take a step back from the sorta distance my screenshots are at to get the full combo more reliably - or hit them as they're running towards the cover from the far side.

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May 5, 2017 13:57:22 GMT lennybusker said:

May 5, 2017 13:26:04 GMT huntedhunt said:

Hi all - Been lurking for a while and finally decided to contribute.

There's also a different bug where upon first logging in or returning from a lobby, passive skills are added twice (like damage and max ammo from apex training).
These bugs are all fixed when ingame: Ammo counts and such return to normal, so at least there's that.

Also seems like SR weight reduction mod applies to both slots while equipped, so best to avoid 2 of the same weapon mods just in case.
Can even reduce weight of SRs twice by having one weight reduction mod in both equipped weapons

Since this updates dynamically unlike the other bugs, this one may affect ingame too.
Test proposal: Lightest SR and heaviest SR on a class with a long power cooldown. Stopwatch test with weight mod on one, then repeat test with mod on the other.
If bugged ingame, times will match (and possibly be further reduced by having the mod on both at once).

Wow, awesome finds.

Just to update anyone wondering what happened to the combo damage table, here's where we're at.

Based on my tests, I see 3 different classes of primer skills (light, medium, heavy) and 3 different classes of detonator skills, when combined you have 9 different base combo damage values. The damage values I had are: 62.5, 93.75, 112.5, 125, 137.5, 168.75, 206.25, 225, 275. (It makes more sense when you see it laid out in tabular format, lol)

The problem we're having is that other testers are seeing different base values. Some are getting my numbers but some are getting a different set of numbers. They're consistent, but consistently different. So for instance while my Annihilation -> Lance is doing a 275 damage base, other testers are seeing 350. My Throw combo is 75% of that, so 206.25. Their Throw combo is also 75%, but at 262.5.

So far we have 5 people tested, with 3 of us getting the low values and 2 getting the higher values, and we can't square it. Even went so far as to compare hashes between every game file. Checked both Windows 7 and Windows 10. Checked versions of the game between base and Deluxe. Nothing adds up!

So that's where we're stuck. It would be really nice to figure that out, I don't want to unleash the table out there until we understand what's going on. Currently trying to come up with an easily repeatable test without the combat logger so that we can have everyone try it out. Something like "X/Y Combo with 2 melees to kill a Chosen" and if the higher combo folks only need 1 melee, well that's more data, so good times.

Edit: In the meantime, if anyone else is combat logging for tests and would like to share their damage for different combos, that would be helpful.

Crazy.

I assume, given all the things you listed, that y'all are trying to think of everything. But, do you all have the same rank character? Could it be something like "Characters rank 1-5 get the low damage, Characters rank 6-10 get the higher damage"? I know at least a couple of the testers have newish accounts, so may not have ranked up many characters through cards yet.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to design it that way, but it seems possible.

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