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Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 16:08:04 GMT

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Post by lennybusker on May 5, 2017 16:08:04 GMT

May 5, 2017 15:25:27 GMT huntedhunt said:

May 5, 2017 13:57:22 GMT lennybusker said:

So for instance while my Annihilation -> Lance is doing a 275 damage base, other testers are seeing 350.

Currently trying to come up with an easily repeatable test without the combat logger so that we can have everyone try it out.

*snip*

Huh, I've never been able to get ED to detonate Throw, not even the "False" combos like you're saying. I assumed it was just one of those things. I'm able to detonate Throw with everything else I've tried. I will try that!

Some interesting tests vs armor:

SPOILER: Click to show

Human Engineer, 1/1 in Cryo and Overload. Test vs Saboteur on Silver.

HP, 1493999129, 1163.626, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2250.000, -150.000 Base Overload
HP, 1493999133, 1167.394, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000 Cryo Tick
HP, 1493999133, 1167.560, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999133, 1167.793, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999135, 1169.326, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2223.000, -177.000 Overload

Overload after 3 ticks of Cryo for 1.18 damage, increased by .06 per Cryo tick.

HP, 1493999148, 1183.129, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999150, 1185.163, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999151, 1185.328, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999151, 1185.561, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999152, 1186.894, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2214.000, -186.000

HP, 1493999160, 1195.062, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999161, 1195.227, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999161, 1195.461, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999161, 1195.661, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999161, 1195.861, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999161, 1196.061, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999162, 1196.594, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2196.000, -204.000

HP, 1493999227, 1261.799, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999227, 1261.964, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999228, 1262.197, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999228, 1262.397, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999228, 1262.597, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999228, 1262.797, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999228, 1262.997, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999229, 1264.131, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2187.000, -213.000

HP, 1493999507, 1541.848, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999507, 1542.012, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999508, 1542.246, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999508, 1542.446, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999508, 1542.846, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999508, 1543.046, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999509, 1543.246, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999509, 1543.446, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999509, 1544.113, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2178.000, -222.000

HP, 1493999643, 1677.554, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999643, 1677.719, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999643, 1677.952, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999644, 1678.353, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999644, 1678.554, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999644, 1678.753, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999644, 1678.953, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999644, 1679.153, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999645, 1679.353, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999645, 1679.553, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2373.000, -27.000
HP, 1493999645, 1680.119, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2175.000, -225.000 Combo
HP, 1493999645, 1680.121, 8AD17630, 2400.000, 2400.000, 2062.500, -337.500 Overload

Once they hit 9 ticks they're "frozen" and can be comboed. But there's a big time boost to the Overload damage while they're frozen. Haven't figured that out yet, there's no nice multiplier to get to 337.5 from a 222 Overload after 8 ticks or a theoretical 231 Overload after 9 ticks.

The 225 combo is consistent with my other combo values for Cryo primer vs Strong Detonator. Apparently your mileage might vary on that value.

edit: it's possible the combo is the second hit and overload is first. If they go to 1.5 damage multiplier when frozen as peddro has seen and if the 1.5 applies to overload and combo, then I have 150 * 1.5 = 225 Overload and 225 * 1.5 = 337.5 Combo. Testing this right now with multiple enemies so I don't hit him with Overload.

Last Edit: May 5, 2017 16:31:28 GMT by lennybusker

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Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 16:09:43 GMT

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Post by lennybusker on May 5, 2017 16:09:43 GMT

May 5, 2017 16:00:00 GMT bjorndadwarf said:

May 5, 2017 13:57:22 GMT lennybusker said:

Crazy.

I assume, given all the things you listed, that y'all are trying to think of everything. But, do you all have the same rank character? Could it be something like "Characters rank 1-5 get the low damage, Characters rank 6-10 get the higher damage"? I know at least a couple of the testers have newish accounts, so may not have ranked up many characters through cards yet.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to design it that way, but it seems possible.

That's something we need more data on. All my classes aside from URs are Rank X, all of my test characters aside from a couple are level 20, and I saw no difference between them all. However peddro's AA is neither level 20 nor rank X, and that's the main one we're looking at right now.

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Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 16:28:33 GMT

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Post by huntedhunt on May 5, 2017 16:28:33 GMT

May 5, 2017 16:08:04 GMT lennybusker said:

Huh, I've never been able to get ED to detonate Throw, not even the "False" combos like you're saying. I assumed it was just one of those things. I'm able to detonate Throw with everything else I've tried. I will try that!

Some interesting tests vs armor:

SPOILER: Click to show

yet, there's no nice multiplier to get to 337.5 from a 222 Overload after 8 ticks or a theoretical 231 Overload after 9 ticks.

(337.5+9) / (222+9) = 1.5
Some variation of the +9 increase?

As to Throw/ED combo, all the others I tried first did too much damage (outright kill), but I guess I got lucky with my testing range being spot on.
Still very hard to pull off, but more reliable once you get the range set then cast throw/ED as fast as possible with the screenshots above as reference.

Edit: For nova combo priming, it'd be good to test both from ground and from air, since they differ in other things: (air nova primes shields, ground nova does not)

Last Edit: May 5, 2017 16:33:52 GMT by huntedhunt

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Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 16:38:48 GMT

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Post by lennybusker on May 5, 2017 16:38:48 GMT

May 5, 2017 16:28:33 GMT huntedhunt said:

(337.5+9) / (222+9) = 1.5
Some variation of the +9 increase?

As to Throw/ED combo, all the others I tried first did too much damage (outright kill), but I guess I got lucky with my testing range being spot on.
Still very hard to pull off, but more reliable once you get the range set then cast throw/ED as fast as possible with the screenshots above as reference.

Edit: For nova combo priming, it'd be good to test both from ground and from air, since they differ in other things: (air nova primes shields, ground nova does not)

Yeah haha I just got ED to combo Throw right now, you're right it's all about the proper distance.

HP, 1494001265, 3300.136, 912C6140, 825.000, 825.000, 775.000, -50.000 Throw
HP, 1494001266, 3300.436, 912C6140, 825.000, 775.000, 525.000, -250.000 Impact
HP, 1494001266, 3300.568, 912C6140, 825.000, 525.000, 365.000, -160.000 Energy Drain
HP, 1494001266, 3300.570, 912C6140, 825.000, 365.000, 90.000, -275.000 Combo

Which leaves them with a little bit of HP. Total of 735 damage, which looks like this:

i.imgur.com/5co3BH9.png

For someone with the high damage combo numbers, you'll do 810 damage, which should leave a much smaller sliver (810 total damage, so only 14 remaining).

Last Edit: May 5, 2017 16:39:19 GMT by lennybusker

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Edit: For nova combo priming, it'd be good to test both from ground and from air, since they differ in other things: (air nova primes shields, ground nova does not)
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You sure about this? I've only noticed nova priming if the nova stripped the shield regardless of if it was initiated from the air or ground.

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tyrion26: You sure about this? I've only noticed nova priming if the nova stripped the shield regardless of if it was initiated from the air or ground.

Yep, triple detonation from AirNova - R1 Shockwave or AoE charge on fresh destroyers every time.

Same for air-nova priming as my opener on annointed/sharpshooters - Same sort of damage, but air version lets me get a boom followup including better chance at a stumble, whereas ground doesn't.

Last Edit: May 5, 2017 17:06:27 GMT by huntedhunt

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Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 17:10:58 GMT

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Post by huntedhunt on May 5, 2017 17:10:58 GMT

May 5, 2017 16:38:48 GMT lennybusker said:

For someone with the high damage combo numbers, you'll do 810 damage, which should leave a much smaller sliver (810 total damage, so only 14 remaining).

824 total or 825 total hp?

Either way, it's not gender biased:
i.imgur.com/ZtR8F67.png

Any mods on your gun? (None here, no secondary, no equipment but get same results with various non-power equipment)

Did you promote or skill reset? (Skill reset here, level 6 or so rank X - same as my level 1 rank X male)

Did you get the 'false' combo I've been seeing, or only zero combo and full combo?

Last Edit: May 5, 2017 17:13:02 GMT by huntedhunt

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Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 17:15:48 GMT

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Post by lennybusker on May 5, 2017 17:15:48 GMT

May 5, 2017 17:10:58 GMT huntedhunt said:

May 5, 2017 16:38:48 GMT lennybusker said:

For someone with the high damage combo numbers, you'll do 810 damage, which should leave a much smaller sliver (810 total damage, so only 14 remaining).

824 total or 825 total hp?

Either way, it's not gender biased:
i.imgur.com/ZtR8F67.png

Any mods on your gun? (None here, no secondary, no equipment but get same results with various non-power equipment)

Did you promote or skill reset? (Skill reset here, level 6 or so rank X - same as my level 1 rank X male)

Did you get the 'false' combo I've been seeing, or only zero combo and full combo?

My bad yeah 825 total HP.

No mods on weapon, no equipment.

I have not skill reset her or promoted. She's a totally fresh char, except rank X.

Yeah, I am getting that false combo too. Check at 1:10.

Last Edit: May 5, 2017 17:17:29 GMT by lennybusker

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Post by bjorndadwarf on May 5, 2017 17:46:52 GMT

If none of the testers were watching the Twitch stream, Billy said that combo scaling with difficulty was discovered to be completely broken by them, and that it's going to get fixed in the upcoming patch. So combos could be seeing some big changes soon.

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Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 17:48:32 GMT

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Post by lennybusker on May 5, 2017 17:48:32 GMT

May 5, 2017 17:46:52 GMT bjorndadwarf said:

If none of the testers were watching the Twitch stream, Billy said that combo scaling with difficulty was discovered to be completely broken by them, and that it's going to get fixed in the upcoming patch. So combos could be seeing some big changes soon.

I'm hoping their fix is a simple multiplier for Silver and Gold across the board to base so I don't have to completely redo the table I spent all this time on. But it's nice of them to confirm that it's getting fixed, not just "looked at."

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May 5, 2017 17:46:52 GMT bjorndadwarf said:

If none of the testers were watching the Twitch stream, Billy said that combo scaling with difficulty was discovered to be completely broken by them, and that it's going to get fixed in the upcoming patch. So combos could be seeing some big changes soon.

Wonder if that's what we're seeing currently but stuck on different settings for different people.
If this was the case, we'd expect a third number type to show up though (Unless two difficulties share combo multipliers, like they do DR values atm).

Also means we can't reliably compare different data from different people without confirming overlap - Kinda sucks...

Anyone remember the last difficulty they played before 1.05 hit? Was gold for me.
Most recently extracted prior to testing completed is bronze though.

Played a real bronze (non-tutorial but same settings) with R1/R1 char - same 350 damage.

Just tested with full throw (4B, 5A, 6A) for much more reliable proc -
Combo OHKs the target, but does identical combo damage to secondary
(350).

I'm presuming the lower damage wouldn't OHK (should leave 30 if throw hit scales *1.2 like world impact does).

Also changed Vsync/windowed mode/toggle to use powers option - no effect.

Last Edit: May 5, 2017 18:01:44 GMT by huntedhunt

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May 5, 2017 17:46:52 GMT bjorndadwarf said:

If none of the testers were watching the Twitch stream, Billy said that combo scaling with difficulty was discovered to be completely broken by them, and that it's going to get fixed in the upcoming patch. So combos could be seeing some big changes soon.

It made no sense for a biotic combo to deal 250 or whatever damage on gold. I mean wtf?????

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May 5, 2017 18:03:25 GMT Kenny Bania said:

May 5, 2017 17:46:52 GMT bjorndadwarf said:

If none of the testers were watching the Twitch stream, Billy said that combo scaling with difficulty was discovered to be completely broken by them, and that it's going to get fixed in the upcoming patch. So combos could be seeing some big changes soon.

It made no sense for a biotic combo to deal 250 or whatever damage on gold. I mean wtf?????

Wait... your biotic combo did damage?

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May 5, 2017 18:03:25 GMT Kenny Bania said:

May 5, 2017 17:46:52 GMT bjorndadwarf said:

If none of the testers were watching the Twitch stream, Billy said that combo scaling with difficulty was discovered to be completely broken by them, and that it's going to get fixed in the upcoming patch. So combos could be seeing some big changes soon.

It made no sense for a biotic combo to deal 250 or whatever damage on gold. I mean wtf?????

Only if they'd scale with power levels.

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I'm curious how their in house testing works. It doesn't sound like they're using a tool to see exact numbers in game.

Billy said that they had heard the feedback about combos being lackluster on Gold, so they buffed them, and then ran a match and didn't see any noticeable change. So they buffed the base number again, ran a match, and didn't see any noticeable change. And that's when they discovered that scaling with difficulty was broken.

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Post by peddroelm on May 5, 2017 18:18:10 GMT

ruzad shotgun 1 98 base damage fires 5 pellets. Has 10% additive melee damage bonus built in that stacks with melee add-on.

krogan engineer
Melee bonuses :
20% rage passive ; 75% gear ; 8% shotgun and pistol melee addon 1

702.900 // ruzad melee 330 * (1 + 0.2 + 0.75 + 0.08 + 0.1) = 702.9
669.900 // switch to charger melee 330 * (1 + 0.2 + 0.75 + 0.08) = 669.9
669.900
702.900

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Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 18:26:24 GMT

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May 5, 2017 18:16:04 GMT bjorndadwarf said:

I'm curious how their in house testing works. It doesn't sound like they're using a tool to see exact numbers in game.

In fairness a lot of companies with a lack of concern for good (software) engineering practices do that, even in the 'real' business space.

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Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 18:26:38 GMT peddroelm likes this

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May 5, 2017 18:16:04 GMT bjorndadwarf said:

I'm curious how their in house testing works. It doesn't sound like they're using a tool to see exact numbers in game.

Billy said that they had heard the feedback about combos being lackluster on Gold, so they buffed them, and then ran a match and didn't see any noticeable change. So they buffed the base number again, ran a match, and didn't see any noticeable change. And that's when they discovered that scaling with difficulty was broken.

Figured as much - There's so much stuff broken (like the gold armour DR being less) that it sounds like they just tested the overall feel/end result without checking the actual systems/numbers themselves made sense.

Direct playtesting is important, but so is checking that testing is based on a solid foundation first...

Some things are bugged and hurt the player, others are bugged and help the player, overall feels 'okay' on the surface :/

I hope they tweak the right numbers for their shotgun accuracy/spread reduction buffs, or they'll have the same problems all over again.

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Post by rlro on May 5, 2017 18:29:26 GMT

May 5, 2017 18:16:04 GMT bjorndadwarf said:

I'm curious how their in house testing works. It doesn't sound like they're using a tool to see exact numbers in game.

Billy said that they had heard the feedback about combos being lackluster on Gold, so they buffed them, and then ran a match and didn't see any noticeable change. So they buffed the base number again, ran a match, and didn't see any noticeable change. And that's when they discovered that scaling with difficulty was broken.

There was no testing at all. Each developer would "test" his code on his own and that was it. If even some basic real tests were performed, the game wouldn't be bugged as hell.

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Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 19:34:18 GMT

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Post by hanskey on May 5, 2017 19:34:18 GMT

Ok, folks. peddroelm caught up with me this morning to let me know that Phalanx Damage in-game does not match my spreadsheet (surprise, surprise - it's lower in-game). Several of the weapon damages I have in the spreadsheet I'm actively maintaining come ONLY from the patch 1.05 notes and the Phalanx is one of those. Apparently they overstated the damage by 20 point/shot for at least Rank II and Rank III Phalanx. Therefore, Bioware doesn't actually know what balance changes they've made irl, or they are tweaking balance with no announcements.

I must beg you all to please test damage on guns that were changed in the Patch 1.05 balancing, because that post can no longer be considered remotely reliable. chypsylon had a way to get the data from .ini files, but he's not interested in continuing with data mining. Perhaps someone could reach out and figure out how to do the same so we can get real numbers without having to retest Ranks I-X in every gun magically?

Anyway, the best I can do for the moment is to delete all the damages outside those the testers actually have hard numbers for on Phalanx, but I'm concerned the unreliability extends beyond Phalanx.

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May 5, 2017 18:00:21 GMT huntedhunt said:

If this was the case, we'd expect a third number type to show up though (Unless two difficulties share combo multipliers, like they do DR values atm).

Barring an accidental Biotic Amp equipment, we may have found the missing Silver link: www.reddit.com/r/MECoOp/comments/69g16m/combo_damage_testers_needed/dh6cvyl/
i.imgur.com/YYguaNK.jpg

*awaits rebuttal from creationists*

Seriously though, unless more middle-values show up, it is looking suspiciously like something locks an account/install/etc to a specific bronze/silver/gold weighted bonus.

Last difficulty played just before 1.05 hit was just a guess - may be something wildly different too.

Prolific bugfinder résumé: answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/MP-Various-bugs-issues-list-Over-100/m-p/6000396

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Numerical Damage Tests May 5, 2017 20:27:19 GMT

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May 5, 2017 19:34:18 GMT hanskey said:

Anyway, the best I can do for the moment is to delete all the damages outside those the testers actually have hard numbers for

Is there any value to people reporting what is displayed in the in-game UI (or the Apex HQ UI) for weapon stats? Or is the game UI considered unreliable also?

I totally understand either way, just trying to help as a lowly console peasant. :crying:

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Post by lennybusker on May 5, 2017 22:07:25 GMT

May 5, 2017 19:58:41 GMT huntedhunt said:

May 5, 2017 18:00:21 GMT huntedhunt said:

If this was the case, we'd expect a third number type to show up though (Unless two difficulties share combo multipliers, like they do DR values atm).

Barring an accidental Biotic Amp equipment, we may have found the missing Silver link: www.reddit.com/r/MECoOp/comments/69g16m/combo_damage_testers_needed/dh6cvyl/
i.imgur.com/YYguaNK.jpg

*awaits rebuttal from creationists*

Seriously though, unless more middle-values show up, it is looking suspiciously like something locks an account/install/etc to a specific bronze/silver/gold weighted bonus.

Last difficulty played just before 1.05 hit was just a guess - may be something wildly different too.

Dude you're the bomb. I think you might be onto it here. I'm going to PM that guy and see if I can get him to combat log.

Old gamer, generally fussy, likes numbers and science.

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