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Post by Iddy on May 8, 2017 17:38:32 GMT
I'm only speaking for myself, of course, but it doesn't feel right to romance a LI who has a preference for the sex your character isn't. You know, like romancing Anders as a woman or Zevran as a man (he mentions that he prefers women). It particularly hurts to see the difference in Isabella's reaction to Tallis: She is jealous of femHawke but doesn't give a damn if Tallis flirts with M!Hawke.
I'd rather have bi LIs who make no such distinction, like the Iron Bull.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 8, 2017 17:43:42 GMT
Merrill and Josephine don't prefer one sex over the other. Fenris doesn't either if you don't count him and Isabela developing a friends with benefits relationship if neither are romanced.
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Post by Iddy on May 8, 2017 17:53:00 GMT
Merrill and Josephine don't prefer one sex over the other. Fenris doesn't either if you don't count him and Isabela developing a friends with benefits relationship if neither are romanced. I didn't say there are none. I even mentioned the Iron Bull as an example. What I meant was that I'd like it better if there weren't any BI LIs who display a particular preference for either sex, because it can be pretty shitty. For an instance, some players don't like the fact that Anders only talks about Karl to a male Hawke and I can't blame them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 8, 2017 17:57:40 GMT
Merrill and Josephine don't prefer one sex over the other. Fenris doesn't either if you don't count him and Isabela developing a friends with benefits relationship if neither are romanced. I didn't say there are none. I even mentioned the Iron Bull as an example. What I meant was that I'd like it better if there weren't any BI LIs who display a particular preference for either sex, because it can be pretty shitty. For an instance, some players don't like the fact that Anders only talks about Karl to a male Hawke and I can't blame them. The Iron Bull has a clear preference for women. He talks a lot about sleeping with women and the only time him being interested in men comes up is if he is in a relationship with the Inquisitor or Dorian. I see what you meant though.
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Post by Iddy on May 8, 2017 18:01:10 GMT
I didn't say there are none. I even mentioned the Iron Bull as an example. What I meant was that I'd like it better if there weren't any BI LIs who display a particular preference for either sex, because it can be pretty shitty. For an instance, some players don't like the fact that Anders only talks about Karl to a male Hawke and I can't blame them. The Iron Bull has a clear preference for women. He talks a lot about sleeping with women and the only time him being interested in men comes up is if he is in a relationship with the Inquisitor or Dorian. I see what you mean though, and I agree that they should either not show preference at all or they show interest in both. Mm... true. He is kinda like Leliana in that aspect. We've only ever heard of her being with women like Marjolaine, Josephine and potentially Justinia. Interest in men only comes up when romanced by the player character.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 8, 2017 18:05:02 GMT
The Iron Bull has a clear preference for women. He talks a lot about sleeping with women and the only time him being interested in men comes up is if he is in a relationship with the Inquisitor or Dorian. I see what you mean though, and I agree that they should either not show preference at all or they show interest in both. Mm... true. He is kinda like Leliana in that aspect. We've only ever heard of her being with women like Marjolaine, Josephine and potentially Justinia. Interest in men only comes up when romanced by the player character. Leliana was never with Josephine. They just have a close friendship and see each other as sisters. Same with Justinia, whom Leliana saw as a friend, mentor, and mother figure.
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Post by Iddy on May 8, 2017 18:05:45 GMT
Mm... true. He is kinda like Leliana in that aspect. We've only ever heard of her being with women like Marjolaine, Josephine and potentially Justinia. Interest in men only comes up when romanced by the player character. Leliana was never with Josephine. They just have a close friendship and see each other as sisters. Ahh, you missed her dialogue about "what a real party is".
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 8, 2017 18:07:56 GMT
Leliana was never with Josephine. They just have a close friendship and see each other as sisters. Ahh, you missed her dialogue about "what a real party is". No, I did not. You missed the dialogue where Josephine denies that kind of relationship with Leliana when asked about her. Also the writers stated that they have never been involved with each other that way. They also explained what that real party meant(it was a practical joke, an easter egg to the Leliana DLC in Origins where you could do that).
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Post by Iddy on May 8, 2017 18:18:58 GMT
Ahh, you missed her dialogue about "what a real party is". No, I did not. You missed the dialogue where Josephine denies that kind of relationship with Leliana when asked about her. Also the writers stated that they have never been involved with each other that way. They also explained what that real party meant(it was a practical joke, an easter egg to the Leliana DLC in Origins where you could do that). Calm down.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 8, 2017 18:19:42 GMT
No, I did not. You missed the dialogue where Josephine denies that kind of relationship with Leliana when asked about her. Also the writers stated that they have never been involved with each other that way. They also explained what that real party meant(it was a practical joke, an easter egg to the Leliana DLC in Origins where you could do that). Calm down. I'm calm. Just explaining things.
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Post by Pain Delta on May 8, 2017 18:42:01 GMT
Bisexuals with preferences do exist, though I hate the slant towards them being completely heterosexual outside of the player character romance and essentially being playersexual. Even if Anders dated Karl, that fact is hidden from femHawke and he otherwise only shows interest in women.
I think Zevran approached the trope well simply because he actually explains that it is his preference rather than it just being coincidence that he mostly talks of women, and Anders would've been better without hiding Karl. Isabela is probably handled best simply because she shows interest in both sexes in dialogue, and implies she has a female preference (men are only good for one thing, women are good for six, etc). Iron Bull only showing interest in women unless romanced by the player or Dorian is a bad way to do preference.
Having a preference doesn't invalidate the player relationship anymore than me liking short girls and dating someone taller than me would, it is just a matter of handling it well and not hiding the other attraction completely imo.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 8, 2017 19:13:51 GMT
I agree that it is not so much that they have a preference for one gender or the other but how it is handled. With Zevran the fact that he admitted to preferring a woman's curves and his previous love for a woman, made him ending up in a relationship of undying devotion with my male PC all the more special and meaningful.
On the other hand, it is the fact that Anders never mentions his relationship with Karl to a female Hawke that seems odd and makes the relationship seem less than honest, particularly when WoT2 expands on the history between him and Karl to show just how intense their relationship was. Why would it be a problem to let a female Hawke know how much Karl meant to him and yet not a male Hawke? So far as I recall, it is not as though a male Hawke is questioning whether Anders is interested in him so he feels obliged to mention Karl.
So I am perfectly happy that the preference of a bisexual character may be for one gender over another but that if it is going to be mentioned, then this should be the case whatever the gender of the PC, not simply to emphasise that apparently you are the "right" gender.
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Post by arvaarad on May 8, 2017 22:33:30 GMT
As a broad group, I tend to be more attracted to brunettes. I'm much more likely to check out strangers with dark hair, much more likely to *cough* think about them with great respect. But individually, I've been in more relationships with blondes. It's just how the cards fell out. Availability and personality played a much bigger role, even though in theory I have a preference.
And when it comes to gender? To me, it's about as important as hair color. I do have a preference when it comes to appreciating strangers, but I'm not going to bring up a checklist with someone I'm seriously interested in.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 9, 2017 1:09:53 GMT
I thought Isabela was pretty refreshing because there's a lot of bi female characters that are portrayed as "less serious" about women than they are about men, so seeing it the other way around was a twist on that trope.
I'm not saying it's a great idea to have bisexual characters who always have a preference, just that when they do in media it's usually showing a preference for the opposite gender. There are bi people irl who have a preference one way or the other, though personally I've known way more bi people who preferred the same gender, just in my personal experiences.
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Post by sageoflife on May 9, 2017 4:13:04 GMT
I don't mind bisexual love interests that lean more toward one gender. I just don't like it when they feel the need to repeatedly tell me that, especially after we've gotten together. *glares at Zevran*
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Post by Catilina on May 9, 2017 8:24:58 GMT
I don't mind bisexual love interests that lean more toward one gender. I just don't like it when they feel the need to repeatedly tell me that, especially after we've gotten together. *glares at Zevran* Zevran's behavior sometimes can be annoying, this is why not he's my favorite, despite that his romance would be great. The counterpoint is Anders, who does not say anything about Karl to fem!Hawke.
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Post by Iddy on May 9, 2017 11:15:43 GMT
I thought Isabela was pretty refreshing because there's a lot of bi female characters that are portrayed as "less serious" about women than they are about men, so seeing it the other way around was a twist on that trope. I don't see why the male players should be punished for that. Imagine what it feels like for a guy romancing Isabela to find out she is less emotionally invested just because of his character's gender. Thankfully, this isn't an approach the writers have taken with any bi LIs ever since, and Mythal willing they never will again. Usually not... unless it's done like this.
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Post by arvaarad on May 9, 2017 12:06:38 GMT
I don't see why the male players should be punished for that. Imagine what it feels like for a guy romancing Isabela to find out she is less emotionally invested just because of his character's gender. And when a desire demon tempts her, it offers a ship full of men. Isabela is pretty down-the-middle. Most real people, even bi people, have more of a preference than she does. A dude Hawke isn't in competition with lady Hawkes (or vice versa). The lady Hawkes don't exist, in his universe. Why does it matter if someone's lover would pick an opposite-gender version of them, if such a person existed? There is no opposite-gender copy of them running around. It's like worrying about a version of yourself with no character flaws stealing your lover. Sure, hypothetically that person would be more appealling. But they don't exist.
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Post by Iddy on May 9, 2017 12:44:27 GMT
I don't see why the male players should be punished for that. Imagine what it feels like for a guy romancing Isabela to find out she is less emotionally invested just because of his character's gender. And when a desire demon tempts her, it offers a ship full of men. Isabela is pretty down-the-middle. Most real people, even bi people, have more of a preference than she does. A dude Hawke isn't in competition with lady Hawkes (or vice versa). The lady Hawkes don't exist, in his universe. Why does it matter if someone's lover would pick an opposite-gender version of them, if such a person existed? There is no opposite-gender copy of them running around. It's like worrying about a version of yourself with no character flaws stealing your lover. Sure, hypothetically that person would be more appealling. But they don't exist. As I recall it, it was the getting a brand new ship part that got her attention. It matters because I'm not talking about what Hawke feels as a character, but the players themselves. And in my opinion, it just isn't the way the writers should handle bi LIs at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 12:49:38 GMT
So, if you did not like how it was handled in DA:O and DA2 (your examples), but liked how it was handled in Inquisition, then it looks like Inquisition corrected things? So why it hurts if they finally got it right? Or is there something in Inquisition you di dnot like about Josephine and Iron Bull?
If you are looking for changes in DA2 specifically (that seems to be the bulk of your posts) it is more a request to modders at this point, tbh.
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Post by Iddy on May 9, 2017 12:52:32 GMT
So, if you did not like how it was handled in DA:O and DA2 (your examples), but liked how it was handled in Inquisition, then it looks like Inquisition corrected things? So why it hurts if they finally got it right? Or is there something in Inquisition you di dnot like about Josephine and Iron Bull? Because there is no evidence that they've ever acknowledged the flaws with Zevran, Anders and Isabella, so it still could happen again in DA4. Moreover, the thread isn't all about ~me~. Everyone is free to voice their complaints about how bi LIs were done in DAI as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 12:58:31 GMT
So, if you did not like how it was handled in DA:O and DA2 (your examples), but liked how it was handled in Inquisition, then it looks like Inquisition corrected things? So why it hurts if they finally got it right? Or is there something in Inquisition you di dnot like about Josephine and Iron Bull? Because there is no evidence that they've ever acknowledged the flaws with Zevran, Anders and Isabella, so it still could happen again in DA4. Oh, okay. I'd suggest twitting a few times when they will start talking about DA4. This is what they said were their preferred media for feedback and suggestions.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 9, 2017 13:13:12 GMT
I thought Isabela was pretty refreshing because there's a lot of bi female characters that are portrayed as "less serious" about women than they are about men, so seeing it the other way around was a twist on that trope. I don't see why the male players should be punished for that. Imagine what it feels like for a guy romancing Isabela to find out she is less emotionally invested just because of his character's gender. Thankfully, this isn't an approach the writers have taken with any bi LIs ever since, and Mythal willing they never will again. Usually not... unless it's done like this. It's not punishing male players to portray her as having a preference. Lots of bi people IRL see their relationship a little differently depending on what gender their partner is.
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Post by Iddy on May 9, 2017 13:20:52 GMT
I don't see why the male players should be punished for that. Imagine what it feels like for a guy romancing Isabela to find out she is less emotionally invested just because of his character's gender. Thankfully, this isn't an approach the writers have taken with any bi LIs ever since, and Mythal willing they never will again. Usually not... unless it's done like this. It's not punishing male players to portray her as having a preference. Lots of bi people IRL see their relationship a little differently depending on what gender their partner is. If it were just about seeing the relationship a little differently, it would be actually interesting. Hell, that would even make it worth romancing Isabela twice just to get a new experience. However, caring less about the relationship because of gender is just wrong.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 9, 2017 14:04:22 GMT
It's not punishing male players to portray her as having a preference. Lots of bi people IRL see their relationship a little differently depending on what gender their partner is. If it were just about seeing the relationship a little differently, it would be actually interesting. Hell, that would even make it worth romancing Isabela twice just to get a new experience. However, caring less about the relationship because of gender is just wrong. There's not any evidence that she cares less about the relationship, though, just that she gets jealous with Femhawke and not with Male Hawke. All that means is that she sees the two of them differently and has a preference.
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