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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 2, 2018 23:46:06 GMT
oh others do just what I do, the difference is I persevere. In ranting. call it what you will
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 2, 2018 23:44:31 GMT
it's free market, they make choices that affect their businesses depending on the consumer's reactions. Remember what happened after ME3 was released? Anyway I gave an analogy in another thread. If you have a pizza joint you love and you go eat there all the time you have every right to be upset if they all of a sudden decide to make Chinese food instead especially since their pizza got worse while they were preparing for the switch. Consequently you will vote with your wallet and word of mouth will spread about your discontent as well as the discontent of others. Free market will do its thing and the situation will evolve from there. No one is forced into anything there are just decisions and consequences. You should not consider your voicing your opinions and your disappointment "toxicity". No criticism = no improvement. Also I know very well what you meant in your post, it pretty much mirrors why I am upset too (minus the fact that Bioware's poor leadership and decision making killed the ME franchise). Except that doesn't work to what is going on here. BioWare is still making "pizza" but they are changing the toppings because people have been giving feedback for what they want to see on their "pizza". There are a group of people that believe the "pizza place" should go out of business catering to what they want and only what they want and the rest of the people that live in that area should be ignored. So the "pizza place" has been giving notification of the change of "toppings" for over a year and a half. yeah...no you are way understating the difference between a traditional bioware game and what Anthem is (hence the other poster's predicament). Also, I do not want them to go out of business, I wish that the player base will turn Anthem into a failure so that either Bioware goes back to make games like ME and DA OR so that EA dissolves them so the talent can be picked up by another studio or band together to form another studio. If Anthem is a resounding success sooner than later that is all we are gonna get from them.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 2, 2018 12:10:45 GMT
why do you call it toxicity? The sort of abusive relationship that obsessed, RPG-starved consumers like myself develop with these studios where we try to make them our slaves and demand they perform services for us and then get angry when they don't. Via forums and twitter and such But I mean in that light, it's like my relationship with Starbucks is abusive in that I demand they make my coffee the way I like it and I complain when I don't. I make them my slave. Businesses are slaves to consumers. I don't know. Maybe it isn't abusive? I think contemporary culture sorta slaps the descriptor abusive on ANY situation in which one entity is like unwillingly doing something at all. And it's like Should a business have a will it's free market, they make choices that affect their businesses depending on the consumer's reactions. Remember what happened after ME3 was released? Anyway I gave an analogy in another thread. If you have a pizza joint you love and you go eat there all the time you have every right to be upset if they all of a sudden decide to make Chinese food instead especially since their pizza got worse while they were preparing for the switch. Consequently you will vote with your wallet and word of mouth will spread about your discontent as well as the discontent of others. Free market will do its thing and the situation will evolve from there. No one is forced into anything there are just decisions and consequences. You should not consider your voicing your opinions and your disappointment "toxicity". No criticism = no improvement. Also I know very well what you meant in your post, it pretty much mirrors why I am upset too (minus the fact that Bioware's poor leadership and decision making killed the ME franchise).
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 2, 2018 2:34:49 GMT
I do not muse about censoring you Well, neither was bshep. But it's a good point nonetheless. I'm not much of a fan of censorship myself, particularly when there are much more amusing alternatives. Personally, I don't think the other thread got locked for censorship. I think it had just run it's course and got overrun, kind of like an opportunistic infection. There wasn't enough volume of optimistic stuff being posted. However, if more threads get locked because a small number of the usual suspects derail them, we'll need to review admin policy as a community. Because that's an obviously exploitable tactic that shouldn't be encouraged. obviously not talking about bshep... yet again not really reading the thread or willingly misintepreting Also...that is exactly censorship. The thread was not derailed, people argued the premise. Mod disliked the amount of cynicism and locked it. Once that becomes routine you go from "I think it ran its course" to " dissenting opinions will be regarded as toxic and therefore censored" with the excuse of "there is too much negativity". It actually happened to me on the xbox360achievements destiny boards. Similarly to what is happening here I warned (alongside others) the users there about the shit pile destiny 1 was going to be, one of the mods took it upon himself to basically say that each post of mine that was not positive about the game would be deleted. Which then resulted in the admin issuing a warning to him. The fact my warnings came true about destiny were just the icing on the cake Wait, maybe it was another online only game...still, same principle.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 2, 2018 2:05:36 GMT
A minimal, inconsequential difference is still a difference but not what one would be expecting From a Bioware game. It will be a massively impactful and memorable difference, equaling, if not exceeding, everything that Bioware has done to date. taking that sentence out of context pretending I was not offering an example of what I was talking about in a previous sentence and passing it for a statement of fact on my behalf on the game is just quite typical of you....and not really worth arguing with
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 2, 2018 0:22:40 GMT
oh others do just what I do, the difference is I persevere. Just don't be surprised then if people have negative reactions to you - you're not being persecuted, other people are just exercising their right to their opinion too. And I still think you are widely missing the mark on why people have an issue with you, it ain't your "perseverence". This is a BioWare forum. We had people arguing over an obscure name change in lore in another thread for pages - perseverence comes with the terriotory. they can have an issue with me all they want just as I can with them, it is just hilarious how they are the first one resorting to "we should censor him and his ilk"
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 2, 2018 0:20:49 GMT
oh others do just what I do, the difference is I persevere. Only fools see themselves as martyrs in a zero sum game. please point out where I called myself a martyr. I simply pointed out some people believe censorship is the way to go. Also how does it pertain to a non win-win chance scenario? Also this is not a zero sum game, there is an overlapping area in which theoretically with both win EVEN with anthem being the way it is now but sadly I believe Bioware have implicitly confirmed it is not gonna happen.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 1, 2018 23:55:19 GMT
So we shouldn't aim this toxicity at any specific developer. I suppose it's a sort of general distress and sorrow directed at....the entire industry and its lack of particular products that appeal to me. why do you call it toxicity?
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 1, 2018 22:02:36 GMT
I'm not happy about Sofa Jockey willingly ignoring the fact people are unhappy about the single player campaign and keep saying that this game feels like a Bioware game omitting "in the multiplayer department: but I do not wish to be able to make threads where people who differ in opinions from me are locked out....whereas the person I quoted wants to do just that Plenty of people have stated they don't like Anthem without incident in this section of the forums - you might want to look at what you are doing that's getting such a different reaction from people. You can't blame everyone else if the common denominator is you. It's not the different opinion that is the problem but the hate you constantly promote. Like wanting people to lose their jobs for example. oh others do just what I do, the difference is I persevere.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 1, 2018 21:40:40 GMT
I do not muse about censoring you Quite onviously... Was that not clear? People are allowed to write their opinion about your posts - it isn't censorship. And this is a private forum for fans so you can't expect people to be happy you state multiple times that you hope the game fails and if BioWare doesn't make the games you want, you're fine if they fail too. What reaction did you expect? I'm not happy about Sofa Jockey willingly ignoring the fact people are unhappy about the single player campaign and keep saying that this game feels like a Bioware game omitting "in the multiplayer department: but I do not wish to be able to make threads where people who differ in opinions from me are locked out....whereas the person I quoted wants to do just that
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 1, 2018 21:26:34 GMT
LOL so you can create an echo chamber of pure positivity? Sure. Sounds legit Look who is talking. Everytime there is a new tweet/article/video/smoke signal about the game you came here to say the same: The game is bad, I hope it fails, Bioware is going to die, blablabla. How is that any different?
I do not muse about censoring you Quite onviously... Was that not clear?
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 1, 2018 21:19:07 GMT
huge amount? From what I heard in every video I saw those lines are no more than what you hear in a game like gears or halo. Talk to me when Anthem makes it to the 4 hours mark with them. Also you DO NOT know that you will have specialized chatter during missions nd given what we know it actually sounds unlikely because missions can be done in coop where other players might have chosen different things. Cone to think of it we were never promised choices at all, only "friendships" but we were never told we can have different relationships with the same character, hell it does not even look we have a dialogue system so how do we even know they just don'tmea "By doing a side mission for character XYZ he will have a better disposition to you"? ...but I digress. Most importantly we were told that YOUR story happens in fort Tarsis not during the missions. What you are saying does not fit in with the information we have. It is not a game for you. Get over it, move along, nothing to see here. I correct, it might still be, it just now needs to fulfill a different set of standards.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 1, 2018 21:17:49 GMT
huge amount? From what I heard in every video I saw those lines are no more than what you hear in a game like gears or halo. Because it's totally fair to compare the quantity of the total VO of a finished game to the quantity of VO in a pre-alpha game trailer. Do you even read what you write? I'll make you a deal. Every time you use an unsubstantiated adjective, like "few," I'll use an equally unsubstantiated but opposite adjective, like "huge." And then I'll sit back and enjoy watching you try to argue that your nonsense is more valid than my nonsense. INCORRECT. FALSE. WRONG. I refer you to this: bsn.boards.net/thread/15097/anthemSpecifically: Due to your SP choices "radio chatter" may differ for different players in the same moment of the same mission. (And, sigh. I don't know why I bother, since you'll just say that Mark Darrah always lies and I'm an idiot for believing him. I wish I lived in such a simple world, where there's no need for carefully reasoned and factually supported argument, just a refusal to believe anything that contradicts one's worldview.) because FEW us in comparison to 5 and a half hours of banter, and huge is I comparison to what appears to be so much less. BTW the game is out un February, by September they will be in feature lockdown and as far as we know the voice acting is already done. Excuse me for being skeptical that somehow the banter will balloon to a much beefier size. Also, yes he said that those radio chatter might be different. The question is HOW different? A reference to your Javelin class? A reference to your next objective depending on which one you are tackling first? A minimal, inconsequential difference is still a difference but not what one would be expecting From a Bioware game.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 1, 2018 21:11:08 GMT
It is not a game for you. Get over it, move along, nothing to see here. I can only assume the objective is to get another thread of otherwise reasonable discussion locked. Too bad we cannot lock out individuals from a thread who are more interested in instigating than discussing the pros and cons of the topic at hand. I've seen too many good threads killed over the years because of one or two people. A few bad apples...and all that. LOL so you can create an echo chamber of pure positivity? Sure. Sounds legit
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 1, 2018 13:19:08 GMT
Oh wait...because EA wants them to save face and maximize profits by selling a product to a fan base who us expecting something they know it is not going to be delivered (like bungie did). I think BioWare has been pretty transparent about Anthem since E3, particularly Mark Darrah. do I need to remind you of the "this game will feel definitely Bioware" line when referring to single player campaign? That does not seen like honest transparency to me But I will give you it is not a bare face lie
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 1, 2018 1:46:05 GMT
I'm sorry but WTF? How are a few canned radio chatter lines comparable in cost to THIS? Huge amount of radio chatter dwarfs a few canned banter lines. The relationship variants during missions alone are going to balloon the total amount of radio chatter. huge amount? From what I heard in every video I saw those lines are no more than what you hear in a game like gears or halo. Talk to me when Anthem makes it to the 4 hours mark with them. Also you DO NOT know that you will have specialized chatter during missions nd given what we know it actually sounds unlikely because missions can be done in coop where other players might have chosen different things. Cone to think of it we were never promised choices at all, only "friendships" but we were never told we can have different relationships with the same character, hell it does not even look we have a dialogue system so how do we even know they just don'tmea "By doing a side mission for character XYZ he will have a better disposition to you"? ...but I digress. Most importantly we were told that YOUR story happens in fort Tarsis not during the missions. What you are saying does not fit in with the information we have.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 1, 2018 1:09:39 GMT
I'm sorry but WTF? How are a few canned radio chatter lines comparable in cost to THIS?
5 and a half fucking hours of banter ...on TOP of the regular dialogue....on top of the mission based chatter.
Come the fuck on of course cost was a factor in this. Voice acting is one of if not THE most expensive part if video games and this is from Bioware themselves. In this respect Anthem is pretty much linear and has the same budget as a linear shooter, no way near a Bioware rpg.
I also sincerely have my doubts about the flexibility of Fort Tarsis in this respect.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 1, 2018 0:55:20 GMT
They should not since it is obvious they are not going to give them what they have come to expect in a Bioware game in Anthem... why lie to them to try to attract them?
Oh wait...because EA wants them to save face and maximize profits by selling a product to a fan base who us expecting something they know it is not going to be delivered (like bungie did).
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 29, 2018 0:51:09 GMT
you know...Mass Effect andromeda produced ssssooooo much revenue that the studio that made it was dissolved and the sequel and DLC scrapped. Yup...amazing Btw, Bioware ended development on Shadow Realms too who work on this, meaning A LOT of their eggs are in this basket, so if this fails it will be a spectacular omelette. Then go look at EA reports for their shareholders. When a game generate revenue they said it, just as they also said when the contrary happens (for instance in Titanfall case).
But i guess you will probably say they are lying too in a legal document just to support your idea.
did I say it did NOT make a profit? No, but there is a balance between maki g a profit and being worth it...or else we would be looking for the quarian ark now.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 28, 2018 21:34:19 GMT
you know...Mass Effect andromeda produced ssssooooo much revenue that the studio that made it was dissolved. Yup...amazing Btw, Bioware ended development on Shadow Eealms too who work on this, meaning A LOT of their eggs are in this basket, so if this fails it will be a spectacular omelette. The studio was dissolved into EA Motive (which is producing a new IP and also needed alot more staff) cus they spent 3 years of MEA development trying to do procedurally generated planets which didn't work, so they then had to take staff from Anthem, DA4 and SWTOR to make the game in 18 months - it had nothing to do with reception (we know MEA was financially sucessful as it's mentioned as such in two EA Investor Reports which they legally can't lie in) as they pretty much started moving staff right after launch - how could they know how well it was doing that early?
It doesn't change the fact that MEA was financially sucesfull, ME3 and DAI were their two most sucessful games, and they haven't made a financially unsucessful game since being in EA - but before EA they were running out of money. And Anthem "fails" EA will give time to course correct - they've done it before with SWTOR and that was just as big an investment if not bigger - and now SWTOR has made them alot of money - they also have DA4 project and SWTOR to put staff into. It is highly unlikely it would end BioWare, it took Visceral 3 financially unsucessful games and a failed 3 year project to close it. EA don't close studios that easily despite what the memes say. And BioWare is a sucessful studio for them. More sucessful then when it wasn't under EA's umbrella.
lol sure, ray tell what happened to MEA2, the MEA story DLC and the the sequel to dead space 3 after it was poorly received tho it made them still a profit? (Btw the only unsuccessful Dead Space game was the 3d one and for good reasons) Oh that right....the plug was pulled (and EA knew exactly how poorly MEA was going to be received thanks to...well, the fact that their employees have eyes, ears and also because of the advance copies they sent out) Try to rationalize it as much as you want, I anthem fails it might be a bullet to the back of the head of Bioware. That or they get put back to make their old games again, either or, it's a win for me.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 28, 2018 21:24:44 GMT
As much as people want it, EA won’t end their biggest company. please look up Fifa and the studio that makes it then we can talk about who the biggest EA company is Also look up Visceral...look at their games and what they were working on before they got shut down and who was working on it for them.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 28, 2018 21:17:29 GMT
LOL free market ringing a bell? If what they do (Bioware) is met with resistance/backlash then consequences happen because of the failure. That is why that seahag Kathleen Kennedy is getting fired by Disney sometimes soon (hopefully sooner than later) Those companies understand MONEY. BTW if you like shared world games there are PLENTY out there, Bioware did not need to be put on this. There are NOT a lot of companies making Bioware style games, ex fucking cuse me for wanting to keep enjoying the kind of game I actually like. It's as if you had a favorite pizza joint that all of a sudden decided to put pizza on the back burner to do Chinese food because the owners decided that "oh hey Chinese food makes a lot of money, let's do that" when 1: there are other Chinese food joints in the area and 2: in order to make the preparations for this shift you already spent quite a but producing subpar pizza (which you then blame on your pizza not getting a fair share because of the fact another pizza joint has opened recently because God forbid you take responsibility for fucking up). So 2 things are gonna happen Either 1: the project fails (which leads to 2 possible outcomes) or 2 : the project is a success which, since the owner only understands money and has already basically demoed the brick oven, leads them to just keep making Chinese food Translating this to our situation In case #1 happens either A: EA tries to regroup and puts Bioware back on track doing SINGLE PLAYER narrative driven games the way they used to or B: they shoot bioware in the back of the head and the studio is dissolved likely blaming sexism, misogynistic patriarchy or the release of Metro Exodus for the failure. It is sad but at this point this is the only way we would get old style bioware games again. Either by EA settings them back straight or dissolving the studio which then might result in the talent being picked up to form another studio which is kind of like what happened to 343 and the coalition or respawn entertainment to mention a few. If #2 happens...well say goodbye to old school Bioware games. DA will likely follow suit with Anthem (it already had hints in Inquisition), Mass Effect will remain shelved since the plug was already pulled and Bioware will have transitioned into Bungie. So I'd rather see Bioware dissolved if that is the case. Bioware hasn't been Bioware in a decade now. They really need to find their roots before EA does the back of the head thing to them like they've done to other studios. If you want a great single-player narrative game, try Deadfire. It even has a form of New Game+ in the form of Berath Blessings. eeeehhhhh I'd have to play the first one too tho.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 28, 2018 21:15:47 GMT
Put it like this: The last three Bioware game, Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age Inquisition and Mass Effect Andromeda, all generated profit. So Bioware is not closing down soon no matter how you cry about some fantasy of them "returning to their roots" as the only way to avoid a financial and moral bankruptcy. you know...Mass Effect andromeda produced ssssooooo much revenue that the studio that made it was dissolved and the sequel and DLC scrapped. Yup...amazing Btw, Bioware ended development on Shadow Realms too who work on this, meaning A LOT of their eggs are in this basket, so if this fails it will be a spectacular omelette.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 28, 2018 12:44:15 GMT
NOT many people. Just a very vocal, very selfserving minority. Pretty sad those few. I can't have what I want so no one should! Never mind the larger ramifications of desiring a game or company to fail...like the number of employees that could suffer downsizing as a result...likely good people doing good work who have little control over the content in the game. Some people just don't have a grasp on the bigger picture. LOL free market ringing a bell? If what they do (Bioware) is met with resistance/backlash then consequences happen because of the failure. That is why that seahag Kathleen Kennedy is getting fired by Disney sometimes soon (hopefully sooner than later) Those companies understand MONEY. BTW if you like shared world games there are PLENTY out there, Bioware did not need to be put on this. There are NOT a lot of companies making Bioware style games, ex fucking cuse me for wanting to keep enjoying the kind of game I actually like. It's as if you had a favorite pizza joint that all of a sudden decided to put pizza on the back burner to do Chinese food because the owners decided that "oh hey Chinese food makes a lot of money, let's do that" when 1: there are other Chinese food joints in the area and 2: in order to make the preparations for this shift you already spent quite a but producing subpar pizza (which you then blame on your pizza not getting a fair share because of the fact another pizza joint has opened recently because God forbid you take responsibility for fucking up). So 2 things are gonna happen Either 1: the project fails (which leads to 2 possible outcomes) or 2 : the project is a success which, since the owner only understands money and has already basically demoed the brick oven, leads them to just keep making Chinese food Translating this to our situation In case #1 happens either A: EA tries to regroup and puts Bioware back on track doing SINGLE PLAYER narrative driven games the way they used to or B: they shoot bioware in the back of the head and the studio is dissolved likely blaming sexism, misogynistic patriarchy or the release of Metro Exodus for the failure. It is sad but at this point this is the only way we would get old style bioware games again. Either by EA settings them back straight or dissolving the studio which then might result in the talent being picked up to form another studio which is kind of like what happened to 343 and the coalition or respawn entertainment to mention a few. If #2 happens...well say goodbye to old school Bioware games. DA will likely follow suit with Anthem (it already had hints in Inquisition), Mass Effect will remain shelved since the plug was already pulled and Bioware will have transitioned into Bungie. So I'd rather see Bioware dissolved if that is the case.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 27, 2018 11:05:15 GMT
Hence why I'm hoping for total failure You're just a bright ray of sunshine now aren't you? Assuming Anthem does flop hard there's a good chance that EA will just close down Bioware and with it killing any chance of DA4. Not saying that's what will happen but given EA's track record it's a good possibility. Circle of life. EA kills a studio. It gets disbanded, talent picked up by other studios/companies. New studios are born and new games are made. Take for instance Ninja Theory. Too big to be an indy, too small to be a true AAA studio. About to go under it is picked up by MS as a first party studio and is now poised to become their equivalent of SSM or RAD. Sorry. I Will miss DA4. But again I'd rather see the studio die and be picked up by another company (or what is left of them) than see them turn into bungie.
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