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Post by dazk on Feb 26, 2019 21:53:35 GMT
Angry Joe annoys me a bit but that was a pretty good (if long) review. I feel bad saying this but I am glad I didn't pre-order it and have resisted buying it. I wonder if you would be able to sit through his hour long analyses. There's one thing that's very puzzling. In SWTOR, everyone participates in cutscenes, the dialogues. Everyone stays / goes together in the mission. Everyone is able to communicate with one another. Why didn't the Anthem team follow the basic player participation framework already laid by the SWTOR team? It makes no sense. What were the team leaders doing? What was the lead project manager doing? *shakes head* I could definitely get through it but I am always pushed for time so I start getting impatient and lose concentration. I think the UEG guy raised that a lot re there being so many other games on the market with much more/better functionality that have also been around for a long time. I played The Division and from the start (and they enhanced it) the basic communication infrastructure etc. was far better. For example in TD when you are within a certain in-game distance you can chat to other people playing the game, if a friend is online the game tells you and you hold a button and it takes you to them. Anthem had nothing like that. 6 years man and look at how many issues there were it is really unbelievable.
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 26, 2019 22:00:31 GMT
I just watched a lengthy Anthem commentary by SkillUp. All of the critics are saying basically the same things. The game isn’t ready for release. It gets boring fast. Loot sucks. Looooooaaaaadddding Screeeeens. Etc...
I’ve heard all I need to hear about this game. I have zero interest.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 27, 2019 0:25:46 GMT
Regards the 900 hours, it's plausible. Remember I said I played for 200 - 300 hours of AC OD in the weeks after game launch and I was questioned? That's possible because I put in an average of 9+ hours daily in AC OD. The present counter is at 527 hours.
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Post by officerdonnz on Feb 28, 2019 0:30:41 GMT
I just watched a lengthy Anthem commentary by SkillUp. All of the critics are saying basically the same things. The game isn’t ready for release. It gets boring fast. Loot sucks. Looooooaaaaadddding Screeeeens. Etc... I’ve heard all I need to hear about this game. I have zero interest. I can't say they're not wrong. Anthem is a badly flawed game. If you were to play Anthem for long periods then yes it gets boring as the quest design is very samey. I only usually play one or two missions depending on how long they take me then I'll go do something else. Randomized loot has never been Bioware's strong point so that's no surprise and they love to nerf things. Bioware have struggled with SW:TOR for the past seven years yet they thought they could do a game like Anthem and already they're making the same mistakes they did with SW:TOR and have learned nothing. Seeing as Ben Irving is involved that really doesn't surprise me. He nerfed loot drops in SW:TOR into the ground so much so the community wanted his head on a platter. An exaggeration perhaps but it'll give you an idea of the negative reactions he managed to generate that ended up with him being 'fired' from SW:TOR and 'promoted' to Anthem. Where by all accounts he's making the same mistakes. I do not foresee things ending well for Anthem in the long run. Not unless the devs get their heads out their arses and get their shit together. I bought Anthem anyway and so far have being enjoying it. It's fun enough if you accept the game for what it is and not what the devs promised.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 28, 2019 1:04:29 GMT
True, it's pointless to put much stock in what MG and CH say regards the fate of Bioware. It's ultimately EA's decision.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Mar 1, 2019 0:42:54 GMT
I'm cautiously looking forward to this. I'm not surprise.
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Post by dazk on Mar 1, 2019 1:44:01 GMT
I thought this was a good and balanced analysis of Biowares current state and history with regards to the falling quality of its games.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Mar 1, 2019 6:18:28 GMT
^ He's forgetting the present Bioware is no longer composed of its original creators and thinkers who made the great games years ago. He is right in saying the people in Bioware, now, have to look at themselves, review what they have done wrong and improve on it. However, I don't believe he's right in saying EA cannot be entirely blamed. In the vid I posted earlier, it's mentioned the devs themselves likely have a cohesive story planned for the launch but a group of outsiders came in, in the later stages of development and told them to cut out content that's to be pitched out in the life span of the game as "live service". How true it is, I don't know. But given how EA run their business, it's all likely probable.
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Post by dazk on Mar 1, 2019 20:54:12 GMT
^ He's forgetting the present Bioware is no longer composed of its original creators and thinkers who made the great games years ago. He is right in saying the people in Bioware, now, have to look at themselves, review what they have done wrong and improve on it. However, I don't believe he's right in saying EA cannot be entirely blamed. In the vid I posted earlier, it's mentioned the devs themselves likely have a cohesive story planned for the launch but a group of outsiders came in, in the later stages of development and told them to cut out content that's to be pitched out in the life span of the game as "live service". How true it is, I don't know. But given how EA run their business, it's all likely probable. Yeah I picked up on the fact he didn't mention losing the original creators but he did point out the loss of key people during development and the failure to replace them or replace them adequately was a contributing factor. I agree with him that EA cannot be entirely blamed for the reasons he stated but he certainly doesn't say they are blameless. The key bit if I am remembering correctly was the part saying Bioware is responsible for the making of Anthem and to deliver it after 6 years in the state it is in and without using any of their experience with SWTOR is entirely their fault. In regards to MEA he is correct that it was Bioware who took too long to realise their choice in how they wanted to make the game was unworkable but yeah EA still would have had enormous influence over the studio developing it and resourcing decisions.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Mar 2, 2019 0:33:51 GMT
I'm afraid I like his acerbic style. But then some game devs and publishers nowadays are a different breed from the innovative and generous creators of the golden age of gaming.
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Post by dazk on Mar 5, 2019 4:34:19 GMT
I found this today and it hits on to say earlier in this thread about Anthem and whether they made the right decision to go down the road of creating a looter shooter game. I also like this guy but maybe it's because I am old. smilesja it also talks about the physical sales stat I mentioned.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 5, 2019 4:47:01 GMT
Meh more fearmongering. BioWare seems confident despite the issues.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 5, 2019 4:47:54 GMT
It is freaking mind-blowing how big a clusterf&$@ this game is proving to be. It’s nearly universally described as an unfinished, poorly designed mess by looter-shooter veterans. It’s Metacritic aggregate sucks. They perma-banned one of the only streamers who actually likes and promotes the game (GLADD), and then unbanned him when the shit hit the fan. Now, it’s bricking consoles? WHAT THE F$&@?!
BioWare seems to have completely forgotten how to make a quality product. I know people have been saying it for years, and maybe I’m way late in finally seeing it. It’s incredible how far they’ve fallen since ME3. I’m legitimately concerned for DA4, now. Will DA’s superb writing be lost in the ether, replaced by MEA level stuff? (I like MEA, but it’s not up to standard.) Will the game be a buggy, half-developed mess like MEA, or even worse, Anthem?
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Post by dazk on Mar 5, 2019 5:01:19 GMT
It is freaking mind-blowing how big a clusterf&$@ this game is proving to be. It’s nearly universally described as an unfinished, poorly designed mess by looter-shooter veterans. It’s Metacritic aggregate sucks. They perma-banned one of the only streamers who actually likes and promotes the game (GLADD), and then unbanned him when the shit hit the fan. Now, it’s bricking consoles? WHAT THE F$&@?! BioWare seems to have completely forgotten how to make a quality product. I know people have been saying it for years, and maybe I’m way late in finally seeing it. It’s incredible how far they’ve fallen since ME3. I’m legitimately concerned for DA4, now. Will DA’s superb writing be lost in the ether, replaced by MEA level stuff? (I like MEA, but it’s not up to standard.) Will the game be a buggy, half-developed mess like MEA, or even worse, Anthem? Edit: typos I really don't want to be perceived as hating on the game but man I have been truly shocked, mainly as they made SWTOR how many years ago and seem to have learnt nothing from that in terms of basic functionality. I like the video because he is not ranting or raving just stating obvious things like if they'd launched it six years ago it would have been acceptable but there are now so many players in this genre Bioware are obviously going to be held to a higher standard. The fact that they launched it in the state they did when The Division 2 is about to drop is incomprehensible. Also the fact that they seemed to have ignored the blow back they got re MEA's release state and the consequences of that and that it appears MEA has a higher rating and was more of a financial success speaks volumes. As the guy says I hope EA backs Bioware to go back to do what they do best and focus on deep, immersive story based RPG's.
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Post by dazk on Mar 5, 2019 5:04:25 GMT
Meh more fearmongering. BioWare seems confident despite the issues. Smiles I love your enthusiasm but based purely on the feedback coming out re Anthem, my positivity is starting to get a bit shaken.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 5, 2019 5:45:10 GMT
Meh more fearmongering. BioWare seems confident despite the issues. Smiles I love your enthusiasm but based purely on the feedback coming out re Anthem, my positivity is starting to get a bit shaken. I’m not worried to be honest, despite the issues there’s still a passionate fan base and BioWare is starting another stream soon. I’m optimistic it’ll bounce back, Besides reviewers especially games journalists tend to lean on the untrustworthy side. I only played the demo but I’m sure Anthem is far from the worst game ever made.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 5, 2019 6:08:13 GMT
smilesja, I haven’t seen anyone say “it’s the worst game ever made”. Likely some fool somewhere did, but that isn’t the consensus. I’ve actually seen more negative behavior from the fan base than the critics. The fans’ defense of the game against all criticism has been ridiculous and extreme, at times. Conversely, most of the critics have seemed disappointed and saddened by their own feelings toward the game. Most went in excited and really wanted to enjoy the game, but simply can’t in its current form. I’m sure there are vitriolic online reviews (and defenses), but none of the videos in this thread have been such. Each has been pretty tame and measured.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Mar 5, 2019 6:23:40 GMT
It is freaking mind-blowing how big a clusterf&$@ this game is proving to be. It’s nearly universally described as an unfinished, poorly designed mess by looter-shooter veterans. It’s Metacritic aggregate sucks. They perma-banned one of the only streamers who actually likes and promotes the game (GLADD), and then unbanned him when the shit hit the fan. Now, it’s bricking consoles? WHAT THE F$&@?! BioWare seems to have completely forgotten how to make a quality product. I know people have been saying it for years, and maybe I’m way late in finally seeing it. It’s incredible how far they’ve fallen since ME3. I’m legitimately concerned for DA4, now. Will DA’s superb writing be lost in the ether, replaced by MEA level stuff? (I like MEA, but it’s not up to standard.) Will the game be a buggy, half-developed mess like MEA, or even worse, Anthem? Edit: typos If they confirm DA4 is in the green lane, the pressure on them is going to be enormous. If they confirm once more it's going to have live service, be prepared to have content slice up and sold later. It's a fact such practices are now the norm for devs with overlords. As to the writing, it depends on who's on the team, who's the project leader. Andromeda has the most ass poor writing I've ever seen from Bioware. When I played the game, at every turn, it was off putting. I was never drawn into the world and its chars. The only thing I find enjoyable is the combat. I never saw the entire gameplay of Anthem nor bothered to watch story cutscenes on YT because I was bored by what I've seen over Twitch. For me, that's two strikes. Will Bioware be able to take bat for the third time and score better? The chances of it hitting a home run is very slim at this point.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 5, 2019 6:25:08 GMT
smilesja, I haven’t seen anyone say “it’s the worst game ever made”. Likely some fool somewhere did, but that isn’t the consensus. I’ve actually seen more negative behavior from the fan base than the critics. The fans’ defense of the game against all criticism has been ridiculous and extreme, at times. Conversely, most of the critics have seemed disappointed and saddened by their own feelings toward the game. Most went in excited and really wanted to enjoy the game, but simply can’t in its current form. I’m sure there are vitriolic online reviews (and defenses), but none of the videos in this thread have been such. Each has been pretty tame and measured. You know what this is what gets me, have you seen the fans who have been called fanboy, shill or white knights by the amount of people who hate Anthem or BioWare in general. YouTube Videos giving a positive review are being ripped apart I myself have been harassed repeatedly by people who dislike the game including a person who has returned from a 2 year hiatus from the forum just to mock me. The Anthem sub forum has been so toxic at times that some positive minded people refuse to post there. Fact of the matter is that there are some NOT all who wanted Anthem to fail badly and were harassing other people who were optimistic. You thought the fans toxic though, try it from the fans perspective.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 5, 2019 6:26:41 GMT
I never felt the writing from Andromeda was bad.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 5, 2019 13:26:19 GMT
smilesja , I haven’t seen anyone say “it’s the worst game ever made”. Likely some fool somewhere did, but that isn’t the consensus. I’ve actually seen more negative behavior from the fan base than the critics. The fans’ defense of the game against all criticism has been ridiculous and extreme, at times. Conversely, most of the critics have seemed disappointed and saddened by their own feelings toward the game. Most went in excited and really wanted to enjoy the game, but simply can’t in its current form. I’m sure there are vitriolic online reviews (and defenses), but none of the videos in this thread have been such. Each has been pretty tame and measured. You know what this is what gets me, have you seen the fans who have been called fanboy, shill or white knights by the amount of people who hate Anthem or BioWare in general. YouTube Videos giving a positive review are being ripped apart I myself have been harassed repeatedly by people who dislike the game including a person who has returned from a 2 year hiatus from the forum just to mock me. The Anthem sub forum has been so toxic at times that some positive minded people refuse to post there. Fact of the matter is that there are some NOT all who wanted Anthem to fail badly and were harassing other people who were optimistic. You thought the fans toxic though, try it from the fans perspective. You go looking for that stuff, though, do you not? After MEA, you sort of anointed yourself Champion of Positivity. While I do admire the attempt, it sets you up for confrontations when you go into critical threads and post in the tone you use. Of course there are tons of haters. I saw one stupid YouTube comment that said, “ BioWare is doomed” or somesuch that had nearly 200 likes. It’s stupid. I’m sure there are thousands like it. I also seen a lot of reviewers and well spoken players, who have justly criticized Anthem, getting mobbed by defenders. “If you have nothing positive to say, just don’t talk.” “No one’s making you play it.” “STFU and leave if you don’t like it.” These type of comments are equally foolish and unhelpful. These people paid for the game, are entitled to share opinions, and often just want to discuss “what happens from here?” Anyone who is going to spend time online would do well to have thicker skin than to get pissy about someone else’s opinion about a game. There are plenty of people of all opinions who could grow in this fashion. The idea that all criticism is “haters” is just as unhelpful as the idea that “you’re a shill if you like this game”. Whether positive or negative, all opinions if the game deserve respect because people deserve respect. Anthem kicked ass in Japan, from what I’ve read. That’s helpful, if players stick with it. I hope BioWare can recover and dig their way out of the messy situation.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 5, 2019 16:56:07 GMT
You know what this is what gets me, have you seen the fans who have been called fanboy, shill or white knights by the amount of people who hate Anthem or BioWare in general. YouTube Videos giving a positive review are being ripped apart I myself have been harassed repeatedly by people who dislike the game including a person who has returned from a 2 year hiatus from the forum just to mock me. The Anthem sub forum has been so toxic at times that some positive minded people refuse to post there. Fact of the matter is that there are some NOT all who wanted Anthem to fail badly and were harassing other people who were optimistic. You thought the fans toxic though, try it from the fans perspective. You go looking for that stuff, though, do you not? After MEA, you sort of anointed yourself Champion of Positivity. While I do admire the attempt, it sets you up for confrontations when you go into critical threads and post in the tone you use. Of course there are tons of haters. I saw one stupid YouTube comment that said, “ BioWare is doomed” or somesuch that had nearly 200 likes. It’s stupid. I’m sure there are thousands like it. I also seen a lot of reviewers and well spoken players, who have justly criticized Anthem, getting mobbed by defenders. “If you have nothing positive to say, just don’t talk.” “No one’s making you play it.” “STFU and leave if you don’t like it.” These type of comments are equally foolish and unhelpful. These people paid for the game, are entitled to share opinions, and often just want to discuss “what happens from here?” Anyone who is going to spend time online would do well to have thicker skin than to get pissy about someone else’s opinion about a game. There are plenty of people of all opinions who could grow in this fashion. The idea that all criticism is “haters” is just as unhelpful as the idea that “you’re a shill if you like this game”. Whether positive or negative, all opinions if the game deserve respect because people deserve respect. Anthem kicked ass in Japan, from what I’ve read. That’s helpful, if players stick with it. I hope BioWare can recover and dig their way out of the messy situation. I never annoinited myself as that. nor I don’t want that title. You’re right people on both sides are pretty thin skinned I think we lack awareness to see that.
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