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Post by jclosed on Jun 12, 2018 20:59:01 GMT
Why do people have so much trouble with first person? I really don't get it...
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Post by Fogg on Jun 12, 2018 21:38:26 GMT
Dev interview starting anytime now on IGN (should've started 8 minutes a go, but they're still showing some loot shooter mmo thing, people are screaming for it to end and show a singleplayer rpg):
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 12, 2018 22:15:08 GMT
Why do people have so much trouble with first person? I really don't get it... I don’t either. As long as I see my character in a game like this I’m fine. I enjoy FPS and tps games.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 12, 2018 22:24:11 GMT
Why do people have so much trouble with first person? I really don't get it... Some people get motion sickness from it. Surprised me too.
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Post by coldwetn0se on Jun 12, 2018 22:30:36 GMT
FP POV makes me sick, and the lack of true "full view" (meaning what my eyes see in the real world - total range/peripheral/etc - is not equal in the in-game perspective) gives me a headache. I don't play FP games due to these reasons. And it is a shame that an RPG like this, has chosen this route. I had read the rumors about the possibility of first person, some time ago (even brought it up on one of these threads), but it was still considered a rumor. Hope was still there...until now. Oh well. *shrug*
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 12, 2018 22:31:44 GMT
On their official forum, other then stating that it was a decision due to immersion (as the dev did in the IGN interview), a dev said that they’ll keep the feedback about TPP in mind.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Jun 12, 2018 22:36:01 GMT
My hype for this game quickly deflated after hearing that it was in FP view.
I have vertigo so it sometimes makes me have severe dizziness and sometimes nausea to play FP. I do have ONE game that is FP and that's the Deus Ex games. It takes me super long to play them because of the FP thing though. And that's just one example of why people don't like FP. I'm sure there are many other reasons. Don't be so fast to think negatively of someone just because they say they don't like FP.
I will probably get it....eventually. When it's on sale.
I read that you can switch between FP and TP while driving. Why not just make the whole game that way? I don't get it.
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Post by jaison1986 on Jun 12, 2018 22:45:17 GMT
I had no idea so many people suffer from motion sickness like that. Personally, I would have prefered a third person angle, mostly because it would fit the game style better. What's the point to give a cool customization for our protagonist if we will only ever see them in cutscenes?
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Jun 12, 2018 22:49:02 GMT
Here's the Witcher: Uncustomizable (albeit beautiful) character, see him all the time. Here's Cyberpunk: Spend an hour customizing your character and see them when we want you to!
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jun 12, 2018 23:09:13 GMT
First person? Oh well, I guess this won't be my first CD Projeckt Red game after all. Never mind, maybe their next IP will have a customisable protagonist and a camera that doesn't make me sick.
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Post by linksocarina on Jun 12, 2018 23:18:35 GMT
Not gonna lie...this thread has gotten very entertaining in the past few hours.
Although I do need to point out Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines as an example of an RPG in first person. Admittedly though, I don't think it's very good as a game, but its been done before.
Let's wait and see what it plays like, honestly.
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Post by Psychedelic on Jun 12, 2018 23:36:24 GMT
I got motion sick from a game exactly one time, and it was a third person game, Mass Effect to be precise. It had something to do with the "artistic" effects (film grain, motion blur, colour distortion, whatever... one of those, I don't remember). Turned it all off and it was fine. What I wanted to say is that FP or TP isn't necessarily what causes motion sickness, so it could be worth to give it a try.
Any physical discomfort some might experience aside, I think it was a good choice to make it FP. I personally don't mind much either way, but in third person I do look over someone's shoulder. Avatar or not, it's always a reminder you are playing a character, and while this is true in both cases, I don't need to have it shoved in my face all the time. So if they want to make it a more personal story than playing a predefined character like Geralt, it was was a sound design choice to go FP.
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Post by bshep on Jun 12, 2018 23:48:28 GMT
So apparently it's a first person. That's what I call a cold water bucket. I wish them success, but I'm out. Oh. Oh... I don't mind it so much in Anthem because there are reasons and it's only the hub area. But Cyberpunk First Person, the whole game? Damn... Same thing i was thinking. That was a cold shower on my hype for this game.
I usually associate FPS with shooters or survival horrors (Wolfstein, Metro, RE7, Alien Isolation, etc) but i hope they can mix FPS and rpg elements well enough. Also i will most likely have to spend some hours of "adaptation" because FPS tend to give me a bit of headache and diziness during the first hours of gameplay. Well i can always take a pill before start playing but i definitely wasn't expecting to do that on Cyberpunk.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jun 13, 2018 0:02:59 GMT
Although I do need to point out Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines as an example of an RPG in first person. Admittedly though, I don't think it's very good as a game, but its been done before. Bloodlines can be played in third person, though, like Oblivion or Skyrim. I know because I have played it that way three times. One of my favourite games, even though it's also a buggy piece of crap. Thank goodness for fan patches.
I don't have a problem with people making RPGs or any other games in first person. I just can't play any of them. (Which is fine - not every game needs to be for me.)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 13, 2018 0:04:01 GMT
I think Cyberpunk 2077 can handle being first person and a RPG. It's not the first RPG to do so, and not even the first cyberpunk RPG to do so since the Deus Ex franchise did it.
Sucks for those who can't play it for medical reasons though.
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Post by Pearl on Jun 13, 2018 0:07:54 GMT
I can kinda understand the motion sickness thing when first-person games have a very narrow field of view - I kinda felt dizzy just watching the Rage 2 gameplay, for example - but as long as there's an option to widen it out to something that makes sense (95-105), it shouldn't be too bad.
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Post by Tittus on Jun 13, 2018 0:22:23 GMT
So if they want to make it a more personal story than playing a predefined character like Geralt, it was was a sound design choice to go FP. And if someone wants to play a character of a different gender and/or sexuality, like me since I'm guy that prefers to create female characters, so I must act like a woman? I like creating characters but I don't want to be them. I'm not an actor. I guess that literally RPG means that the players themselves impersonate the characters, but I can't do it.
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Post by shaqfu on Jun 13, 2018 0:29:03 GMT
I like that they are changing it up a bit. Some of my favorite games have been fps/rpg hybrids like Deus Ex, Bioshock and system shock games.
And who knows since they love doing free DLC after launch maybe a third person camera will be one of the first added in.
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Post by bshep on Jun 13, 2018 0:41:25 GMT
According to an interview Gamereactor UK had with Mike Pondsmith, Cyberpunk 2077 will feature 10 classes: - Cop - Fixer - Corporate - Netrunner - Nomad - Journalist - Rockster - Solo - Tech - MediTech Can i be RoboCop?
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Post by linksocarina on Jun 13, 2018 0:42:33 GMT
Although I do need to point out Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines as an example of an RPG in first person. Admittedly though, I don't think it's very good as a game, but its been done before. Bloodlines can be played in third person, though, like Oblivion or Skyrim. I know because I have played it that way three times. One of my favourite games, even though it's also a buggy piece of crap. Thank goodness for fan patches.
I don't have a problem with people making RPGs or any other games in first person. I just can't play any of them. (Which is fine - not every game needs to be for me.)
Hmm...ive only ever done it in first person. Don't recall third person. I will take your word for it though. Still...
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Post by azarhal on Jun 13, 2018 0:54:06 GMT
And who knows since they love doing free DLC after launch maybe a third person camera will be one of the first added in. I don't think people understand the amount of works it takes to do that. 3rd person to 1st person is "easy", you move the camera, slap 1st person animations for the hands when doing actions and hide the rest of the body. The opposite requires doing animations for way more movements and body parts than what you see in 1st persons, enlarge most closed areas so the camera doesn't bounce everywhere and change gameplay mechanics that are tailored for 1st person perspective( example: V's apartment window is the computer, it would be a PITA to read in 3rd person).
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Post by Gwydden on Jun 13, 2018 1:03:42 GMT
Hmm...ive only ever done it in first person. Don't recall third person. I will take your word for it though. Still... Yeah, it had both perspectives, but myself I couldn't stand TPP and only used it when I had to go melee in combat. Same deal with Skyrim. I find that games that try to accommodate multiple perspectives usually can only do one of them well, with the other ones being really janky. Skyrim has the same problem. I think it's better that they pick one and stick with it so that their design choices are consistent, rather than try to accommodate everyone. Of course, I have no real preference when it comes to these matters. I'll take anything — FPP, TPP, or isometric — so I am biased in that regard. It really sucks for the people who can't play it because of medical problems, but there's a huge amount of FPP games out there and this is just another one. I don't think CDPR should be singled out for making this decision, though providing feedback is always a great idea and I know at least one moderator in their forums is working to ask them about the whole motion sickness deal.
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Post by bshep on Jun 13, 2018 1:25:33 GMT
And who knows since they love doing free DLC after launch maybe a third person camera will be one of the first added in. I don't think people understand the amount of works it takes to do that. 3rd person to 1st person is "easy", you move the camera, slap 1st person animations for the hands when doing actions and hide the rest of the body. The opposite requires doing animations for way more movements and body parts than what you see in 1st persons, enlarge most closed areas so the camera doesn't bounce everywhere and change gameplay mechanics that are tailored for 1st person perspective( example: V's apartment window is the computer, it would be a PITA to read in 3rd person). Unless the game already had a 3rd person camera built (like fallout 4) it is very unlikely they will make one via patch/DLC.
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