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Post by slimgrin727 on Jun 15, 2019 2:11:24 GMT
What does the "Cool" factor imply? Is that like Charisma in D&D? It's charisma and physical handling of guns. High cool means a better ability to snipe.
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Post by Superhik on Jun 15, 2019 2:26:14 GMT
What does the "Cool" factor imply? Is that like Charisma in D&D? Not really charisma. It's more the vibe you give ( of being confident, self assured), how you handle yourself under ( physical and mental) stress. It's sort of a how much you're a "badass", than a sleek smooth talker.
Think John Rambo vs. Indiana Jones( or Brendan Frasier/Mummy).
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Post by azarhal on Jun 15, 2019 2:28:06 GMT
What does the "Cool" factor imply? Is that like Charisma in D&D? It's charisma and physical handling of guns. High cool means a better ability to snipe. It's not like charisma. Cool has nothing to do with appearance, attractiveness or being likable. In social interactions, it's how tough you appear, you use it to intimidate others. Otherwise, it's a stat the measure how well you manage stress and pressure.
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Post by 10k on Jun 15, 2019 2:29:06 GMT
What does the "Cool" factor imply? Is that like Charisma in D&D? Not really charisma. It's more the vibe you give ( of being confident, self assured), how you handle yourself under ( physical and mental) stress. It's sort of a how much you're a "badass", than a sleek smooth talker.
Think John Rambo vs. Indiana Jones( or Brendan Frasier/Mummy).
Yeah this is what I heard from an interview. Cool focuses on your ability handle stress, and I heard it had to do with something about better aiming.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 15, 2019 2:49:46 GMT
Let me guess it’s an argument regarding censorship and SJWs?
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Jun 15, 2019 3:40:49 GMT
Let me guess it’s an argument regarding censorship and SJWs? A gif is hardly an argument, sauceboss. it's just a representation of my reaction while reading the last 2 pages.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 15, 2019 3:55:30 GMT
Let me guess it’s an argument regarding censorship and SJWs? A gif is hardly an argument, sauceboss. it's just a representation of my reaction while reading the last 2 pages. Oh no! It’s my reaction to the reason you posted the gif. I’m kinda of aware of the SJW/censorship rant that was going around for the past few pages.
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Post by eternalgoddess on Jun 15, 2019 5:29:33 GMT
Dude, if you are tired of reading and hearing about the game, wtf are you reading this thread? Ain't he trolling can't tell anymore.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jun 15, 2019 6:27:51 GMT
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jun 15, 2019 7:05:43 GMT
CP 2077 settings and world is not my favorite and I'll probably skip a year or 2 b4 playing it, but I just grab popcorn and enjoy the triggering!
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Post by formerfiend on Jun 15, 2019 9:42:59 GMT
This game is almost definitely going to be a buy for me. Maybe not a pre-order because I'm kinda iffy on the concept of pre-orders currently, but almost definitely a buy.
So far from what I've heard and seen of the game the only two things I have to complain about are 1; that it's primarily first person, and 2; that it isn't Shadowrun.
But maybe if this is the runaway success it'll likely be, Shadowrun'll get the triple-a release it deserves.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 15, 2019 10:36:01 GMT
The whole trans angle is so shallow, and frankly stupid, when its brought up in light of Cyberpunk's transhuman themes (IMO). Thing is it is used in game on some advert to sell things. So it's not saying trans is bad but trans is sexually appealing, buy some of my whatever. You could talk about using sex to sell, but then you're in a dystopia ruled by amoral corporation, what do you expect?
I find that whole mini scandal to be bizarre.
completely bizarre to me too as it seems just good old fashioned world building.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jun 15, 2019 14:22:44 GMT
archive.fo/q4RJnThey're working on a transgender character, essentially removing any gender restrictions from various options in the character creator.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 15, 2019 16:45:54 GMT
archive.fo/q4RJnThey're working on a transgender character, essentially removing any gender restrictions from various options in the character creator. I wonder if it will be overt, or rather a 'More' sort of option like Sims 4 where there maintains mostly clear UI 'masculine' and 'feminine' paths, but you can just slide down to options to mix or alter whatever you like. I sometimes play female characters, occasionally play straight-male (I'm gay), straight-female and lesbian-female characters, but while I'll probably rarely-at-most play trans characters, the option doesn't make the slightest difference to me as long as the writing is still strong (yes there's plenty of ways this can go bad one way or another - but I don't anticipate it so far for Cyberpunk 2077) and I can still manage character creation for myself well (an example of a small issue I have is with Bioware games recently mostly sucking for hairstyles trying too hard to be unisex, or whatever they're doing).
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 15, 2019 17:05:18 GMT
Thing is it is used in game on some advert to sell things. So it's not saying trans is bad but trans is sexually appealing, buy some of my whatever. You could talk about using sex to sell, but then you're in a dystopia ruled by amoral corporation, what do you expect?
I find that whole mini scandal to be bizarre.
completely bizarre to me too as it seems just good old fashioned world building. The argument is that presenting absolutely anything problematic in any form or context is still increasing problematic trends in culture. That trans characters receive relatively little representation (perhaps not compared to their population %, but at least compared to general media representation we all experience), so every time that is shown in any sort of negative light, it disproportionately makes that impressive impact on people, including youth who are more than a little convinced by media they consume. This is all while trans suffer much higher risk than at least a hell of a lot of groups of assault and murder. Things which might imply a dehumanization of the trans condition (because they are transgendered/sexual/etc not transhuman in their views), are always more than a little problematic. I don't think exactly the same as this sentiment, but its not necessarily the nutso exaggeration some respond to it as. And sometimes the unhinged communication is due to the messenger, not the message. When I had my rare fit about Gil in MEA it wasn't just that I found him poorly written and implemented, but that he is definitely going to be an educational experience to people that I don't want them to have; to think that gay men really just need their fulfillment by having a baby with a woman. The context of the situation can be considered all well and good (in this case I don't even think so, but whatever), yet gay men have such representation that if you don't go looking for it you probably are still going to see very little of it (despite what certain communities think), so an example that I consider antithetical to the gay rights struggle being the only big gay romance in MEA, yeah, it raises more than a little bother. The poster Cyberpunk thing - putting media clickbaiters aside - probably wouldn't be nearly as much of whatever sized issue it is, if there were already clear examples of positive or even neutral or neutral-positive depictions of trans in the game. Saying a while back in some interview that they're investigating options isn't going to be noticed by many, let alone remembered. Like the "Did you assume their gender" tweet controversy - its a joke that's firstly arguably in bad taste, but aside from that CD Projekt Red doesn't have a clear history of being trans-positive. So people who want their media to not villainize trans (or do anything that in any way might even possibly increase the endangerment of trans lives) don't have anything to fall back on when it comes to the defense of CDPR. They see an offhanded insult to the trans condition and that's it from the company. No positivity, no effort to learn anything, only an effort to mock (even lightly). When you have at least a rough huge plurality (if not a clear majority) of media taking effort to hear you on what you like and do what you want, this sort of thing is just noise to you - but that's your privilege. Its my privilege to be able to emotionally shrug off anything to do with trans or a whole sort of other human rights issues (for example as a staunch atheist living comfortably in a secular nation, I could decide very well to more easily ignore abuses of Christians or Muslims or Jewish throughout the world, if I wanted), but I'd prefer to do at least little things where I can. Sometimes an emotional outburst is just an emotional outburst and has little to nothing to do with there being good or bad reasoning about a subject matter. Yes I'm including all political stripes about that.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Jun 15, 2019 17:15:12 GMT
It's been confirmed that people can make their V trans or non binary. Which is cool and matches the established lore. What I don't understand is how people that were calling CDPR transphobic. Are now praising CDPR while laughing at triggered gamerbros. This quick switch around makes the previous "outrage" seem fake.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 15, 2019 17:17:36 GMT
It's been confirmed that people can make their V trans or non binary. Which is cool and matches the established lore. What I don't understand is how people that were calling CDPR transphobic. Are now praising CDPR while laughing at triggered gamerbros. This quick switch around makes the previous "outrage" seem fake. A lot of it tends to be fake. A lot of it is media to be taken with a grain of salt. But a lot of it is, as the Internet works, with different people with different opinions?
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Post by Ieldra on Jun 15, 2019 17:52:45 GMT
SwobyJ : I won't go into detail about my counterarguments since this will probably get too political for this forum, but I think this fanatical obsession with group representation and even more a perceived right to positive presentation (which really, really does not exist, for nobody) is stifling for cultural production. Just think this through to the end and you'll notice. Even more so, as has been pointed out, if it's applied to a fictional world where the trait in question is a complete non-issue, irrelevant in the face of morphological freedom, both that already attained and that around the technological corner. This is a transhumanism-themed world, for gods' sake. If biomods exist in that world (as opposed to tech implants) you could probably gender-switch and nobody would bat an eye. If you actually objected, you'd be laughed out of the room. People should really be more appreciative of this. Also, this outrage culture is counterproductive. It convinces no-one at all, since public bullying won't win you any sympathy even from those who might otherwise be sympathetic to your cause. I certainly have lost a great deal of sympathy for such concerns since this outrage culture started, to the point that I'm increasingly allergic to the topic even being raised. As if it was the most important aspect of any cultural product. Crap, I say. I suspect that the only reason the CDPR people who were attacked don't react with "fuck you all" as would be deserved is because CDPR can't afford to lose even the slightest bit of revenue and so they got muzzled.
In any case, I am looking forward to exploring the full range of possibilities offered by the Cyberpunk world. I expect that in the light of the possibilities that actually exist, minor concerns such as what triggered the latest shitstorm will remain irrelevant. As they should be..
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 15, 2019 17:59:07 GMT
SwobyJ : I won't go into detail about my counterarguments since this will probably get too political for this forum, but I think this fanatical obsession with group representation and even more a perceived right to positive presentation (which really, really does not exist, for nobody) is stifling for cultural production. Just think this through to the end and you'll notice. Even more so, as has been pointed out, if it's applied to a fictional world where the trait in question is a complete non-issue, irrelevant in the face of morphological freedom, both that already attained and that around the technological corner. This is a transhumanism-themed world, for gods' sake. If biomods exist in that world (as opposed to tech implants) you could probably gender-switch and nobody would bat an eye. If you actually objected, you'd be laughed out of the room. Also, this outrage culture is counterproductive. It convinces no-one at all, since public bullying won't win you any sympathy even from those who might otherwise be sympathetic to your cause. I certainly have lost a great deal of sympathy for such concerns since this outrage culture started, to the point that I'm increasingly allergic to the topic even being raised. As if it was the most important aspect of any cultural product. Crap, I say. I suspect that the only reason the CDPR people who were attacked don't react with "fuck you all" as would be deserved is because CDPR can't afford to lose even the slightest bit of revenue and so they got muzzled. I'm not interested in convincing people who hold sympathy as leverage.
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Post by Ieldra on Jun 15, 2019 18:13:12 GMT
SwobyJ : I won't go into detail about my counterarguments since this will probably get too political for this forum, but I think this fanatical obsession with group representation and even more a perceived right to positive presentation (which really, really does not exist, for nobody) is stifling for cultural production. Just think this through to the end and you'll notice. Even more so, as has been pointed out, if it's applied to a fictional world where the trait in question is a complete non-issue, irrelevant in the face of morphological freedom, both that already attained and that around the technological corner. This is a transhumanism-themed world, for gods' sake. If biomods exist in that world (as opposed to tech implants) you could probably gender-switch and nobody would bat an eye. If you actually objected, you'd be laughed out of the room. Also, this outrage culture is counterproductive. It convinces no-one at all, since public bullying won't win you any sympathy even from those who might otherwise be sympathetic to your cause. I certainly have lost a great deal of sympathy for such concerns since this outrage culture started, to the point that I'm increasingly allergic to the topic even being raised. As if it was the most important aspect of any cultural product. Crap, I say. I suspect that the only reason the CDPR people who were attacked don't react with "fuck you all" as would be deserved is because CDPR can't afford to lose even the slightest bit of revenue and so they got muzzled. I'm not interested in convincing people who hold sympathy as leverage. I don't hold anything as leverage, I am describing what happened. I actually have little control over my sympathies and antipathies - that mainly depends on others' behaviour - I can only choose how to express them. Apart from that, if you don't want to acknowledge the negative effects of public bullying, that's your choice. But I promise it will come back to bite you (as in: the faction(s) you argue for) in the ass some day. People don't like bullies as a rule, and even less those who think their bullying is justified by moral superiority.
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Post by aglomeracja on Jun 15, 2019 18:20:02 GMT
So, could anyone explain to me why this particular poster is even considered controversial?
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 15, 2019 18:31:39 GMT
Catboys would be fun
But I also want to be a snake, a spider and maybe a hyena
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Post by formerfiend on Jun 15, 2019 18:42:10 GMT
Personally I don't have a problem with representation in and of itself. I remember back on the old BSN there were people who would literally argue that having one black character or one gay character was enough and that any more than that was just diversity for the sake of meeting a corporate mandated quota. People who couldn't conceive of the idea that the people making these games might actually want to tell stories about people other than straight white dudes.
Cyberpunk, that is the subgenre, is perhaps moreso than any other subgenre of science fiction, about tackling and commenting on social issues. It's entirely possible that CDPR's attempt at this will end up being clumsy and maybe even tone deaf, but I think anyone arguing that they're trying to be actively malicious on this front is arguing in bad faith or at least being unfair, and that they should be judged off the final product, not a blink & you miss it bit of background wall dressing that most people didn't notice & had to be zoomed in on to be made a big deal about.
Now, me, I'm a straight cis white dude, so my opinion is worth what it's worth on the matter, but I don't even view the advert in game as particularly problematic. Is it exploitative & objectifying? Yes, but if it were a cis woman in the advert - or, I'd point out, a trans woman who had had certain operations - no one would bat an eye at it or comment on it because we all accept on an almost instinctual level that exploitative, objectifying, sexualized images get used to sell product. I'd argue that the advert normalizes trans individuals by putting them in that position, that in this world the game presents they're accepted enough to be featured in something as common and ubiquitous as a soda add & it just be a bit of background wallpaper that most people walking down the street don't notice. That it presents a trans woman as beautiful & desirable rather than the butt of a joke about how unappealing they are is, like other mainstream triple A titles have in the past, though I have seen people frame that as fetiziation which does have it's own problems, I think it's wait & see as to which side of that coin it lands on.
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