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Post by gethadept on May 23, 2017 14:26:54 GMT
There are tons of things BW did wrong vs ME3MP... but I think it`s worth mentioning few right things they changed right in MEAMP since many of us are enjoying the game. 1. 7 waves per game Makes the game so much more casual and less stressful. Also slightly less frustration when you get disconnected during later game. 2. Ammo Crate Pattern Players do not share Ammo from crates. Ammo and Power cells are allocated for each player and won`t refill until other crates are empty in each wave, ultimately preventing prolonged camping in most maps. ME3MP players were desperate over power cell supplies in the past, they even resolved into kicking each other in the lobby for it. 3. Use of Side-arm Related to #2. Because each ammo crate doesn`t give you infinite amount of ammo and your reload time is so long.. bringing a reliable sidearm with you can be useful unlike ME3MP where only one weapon was sufficient for almost everything. 4. No sudden in-game joining Now we get to stop by in the lobby first even when we join an on-going game. We get to equip and inspect teammates before hopping onto it, making things so much better. 5. Individual Power Cool down Along with Jet pack this is the core difference between ME3MP & MEAMP. Because Jet Pack operates so funky.. I cannot dare say it`s something they did right, but I think I can safely say Individual power cool down was interesting and positive change. ....I tried really hard and that`s just about all the positive stuffs I can think of this game compare to its predecessor. 98% of the forum posts are about things they did wrong( word wrong would be very mild way to describe some of them)... but let`s not forget that they also did few things... right...  I also would like to mention that both ME3MP & M3AMP are great games because ME is not just about how well a player aims and shoots but also about each player`s unique build and sense that make more difference in the game. |
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Post by Beerfish on May 23, 2017 14:37:07 GMT
1. Seven waves okay but but way way more stressful and NOT relaxing at all imo. Waves start sooner and you are mobbed by enemies all the time with really no time to breath and or plan.
2. I agree with this, the ammo crates are placed pretty well for the most part.
3. This does not apply to me because I always only carry one gun, I should carry two the odd time i suppose just for ammo.
4. Agreed, an improvement.
5. This is a good thing but it seems to me cool downs are longer on the whole to me thus I don't feel it as a big improvement.
The biggest issue with this game is something I've said before Bioware made a bunch of conflicting design decisions. 'We want it to be a team coop game but we design maps that filter people apart, we want to have teams work together coop but we have hoards of fast moving enemies coming from all sides.
Now true teams with friends that play a lot together can over come this pretty well but for pugs most often it is random madness,
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Post by Tigger on May 23, 2017 14:46:25 GMT
I'll give you the ammo crates. That's it.
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Post by gethadept on May 23, 2017 14:47:54 GMT
Now true teams with friends that play a lot together can over come this pretty well but for pugs most often it is random madness, Safe rule of thumb playing in PuG is that to make sure you can do 2 player worth of work. haha I learned this hard way since ME3MP. ...and yeah.. It`s really hard keeping up with most PuG because with JetPack they just move so fast and everyone is looking for enemies. I gave up keeping up with team and usually relax a bit... fortunately by wave 2 there are usually plenty of enemies coming to me even if I don`t go after them lol |
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Post by Pounce de León on May 23, 2017 15:00:47 GMT
I guess Jetpacks don't factor in? No? Ah, probably not.
Ammo crates are indeed quite cool.
New lobby music? I like that better.
Asari Sentinel. Affection since day 1. Also the best-looking Asari.
Backlash: Fun Power.
Powers? Mhm? I'm still recovering from Andromeda first impression and there powers sucked.
Sticky cover? It's not as bad as I thought it might be.
Hey: Guns, yes? I'm still recovering from Andromeda first impression and there most guns sucked.
Melee? Biotic punch is kinda fun.
Dodge? Everyone can, but it all the sameish.
Powers arc again? Yay, but still recovering from Andromeda first impression and there powers sucked.
Krogan? Hm - we got female now. Yay. But they suck with melee. So we spam Flak - nice to melt the Krozerker with that, though.
Some characters look interesting: Backlash, Kineticist, Havoc aerial e.g.
Passive trees have been made more interesting. That's a plus.
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Post by gethadept on May 23, 2017 15:04:07 GMT
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Post by gethadept on May 23, 2017 15:04:49 GMT
I'll give you the ammo crates. That's it. I was trying to be as generous as possible. hehe |
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Post by gethadept on May 23, 2017 15:05:49 GMT
I guess Jetpacks don't factor in? No? Ah, probably not. Ammo crates are indeed quite cool. New lobby music? I like that better. Asari Sentinel. Affection since day 1. Also the best-looking Asari. Backlash: Fun Power. Powers? Mhm? I'm still recovering from Andromeda first impression and there powers sucked. Sticky cover? It's not as bad as I thought it might be. Hey: Guns, yes? I'm still recovering from Andromeda first impression and there most guns sucked. Melee? Biotic punch is kinda fun. Dodge? Everyone can, but it all the sameish. Powers arc again? Yay, but still recovering from Andromeda first impression and there powers sucked. Krogan? Hm - we got female now. Yay. But they suck with melee. So we spam Flak - nice to melt the Krozerker with that, though. Some characters look interesting: Backlash, Kineticist, Havoc aerial e.g. Passive trees have been made more interesting. That's a plus. Totally. If I picked my personal preferences, the list would go much longer... but I was trying to be objective as possible at the same time. |
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Post by varicite on May 23, 2017 15:09:38 GMT
Oh yeah. No Biotic Charge stuck glitch... Nah, we have the sound drop glitch instead, though. |
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Post by Uchimura on May 23, 2017 15:10:16 GMT
Every character can dodge, thus relative shield/health feels pretty balanced between characters. Common characters feel fine in gold.
20 second timer has sound, so less people miss extraction due to score whoring.
Some powers that were relatively useless in 3 got merged into others or have extra features.
Priming/detonating evos.
Melee does decent damage. (but we all want light/heavy back still)
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Post by rlro on May 23, 2017 15:11:06 GMT
4. No sudden in-game joining Now we get to stop by in the lobby first even when we join an on-going game. We get to equip and inspect teammates before hopping onto it, making things so much better. ^^^ The list begins and ends with this, imo. The others are disadvantages. |
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Post by killabkilledb on May 23, 2017 15:12:37 GMT
1. Seven waves okay but but way way more stressful and NOT relaxing at all imo. Waves start sooner and you are mobbed by enemies all the time with really no time to breath and or plan.2. I agree with this, the ammo crates are placed pretty well for the most part. 3. This does not apply to me because I always only carry one gun, I should carry two the odd time i suppose just for ammo. 4. Agreed, an improvement. 5. This is a good thing but it seems to me cool downs are longer on the whole to me thus I don't feel it as a big improvement. The biggest issue with this game is something I've said before Bioware made a bunch of conflicting design decisions. 'We want it to be a team coop game but we design maps that filter people apart, we want to have teams work together coop but we have hoards of fast moving enemies coming from all sides. Now true teams with friends that play a lot together can over come this pretty well but for pugs most often it is random madness, What? It takes 12 minutes to complete a whole gold game... |
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Post by Beerfish on May 23, 2017 15:16:52 GMT
1. Seven waves okay but but way way more stressful and NOT relaxing at all imo. Waves start sooner and you are mobbed by enemies all the time with really no time to breath and or plan.2. I agree with this, the ammo crates are placed pretty well for the most part. 3. This does not apply to me because I always only carry one gun, I should carry two the odd time i suppose just for ammo. 4. Agreed, an improvement. 5. This is a good thing but it seems to me cool downs are longer on the whole to me thus I don't feel it as a big improvement. The biggest issue with this game is something I've said before Bioware made a bunch of conflicting design decisions. 'We want it to be a team coop game but we design maps that filter people apart, we want to have teams work together coop but we have hoards of fast moving enemies coming from all sides. Now true teams with friends that play a lot together can over come this pretty well but for pugs most often it is random madness, What? It takes 12 minutes to complete a whole gold game... Yeah, so what does that have to do with being a relaxing non stressful game vs me3mp? things are so frenetic you don;t even barely have time to take note of what your team mates are doing unless they are right close to you. They want you to use cover and then add in all sorts of units who's job it is to gt you out of cover. |
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Post by Pounce de León on May 23, 2017 15:20:03 GMT
What? It takes 12 minutes to complete a whole gold game... Yeah, so what does that have to do with being a relaxing non stressful game vs me3mp? things are so frenetic you don;t even barely have time to take note of what your team mates are doing unless they are right close to you. They want you to use cover and then add in all sorts of units who's job it is to gt you out of cover. Maybe you're just old. Maybe you haven't yet gotted accustomed to pace. Maybe there is something off - after two pugs I generally have had my fill, too. |
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Post by Beerfish on May 23, 2017 15:25:39 GMT
Yeah, so what does that have to do with being a relaxing non stressful game vs me3mp? things are so frenetic you don;t even barely have time to take note of what your team mates are doing unless they are right close to you. They want you to use cover and then add in all sorts of units who's job it is to gt you out of cover. Maybe you're just old. Maybe you haven't yet gotted accustomed to pace. Maybe there is something off - after two pugs I generally have had my fill, too. Yes I am old, I've gotten accustomed to it, it is faster paced and not 'relaxing' |
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Post by gethadept on May 23, 2017 15:29:08 GMT
Maybe you're just old. Maybe you haven't yet gotted accustomed to pace. Maybe there is something off - after two pugs I generally have had my fill, too. Yes I am old, I've gotten accustomed to it, it is faster paced and not 'relaxing' Use the lul kit like I do. lol When I am too tired to play focused I just use Human Infiltrator using Shadow. lol It is faster paced, but I still felt more exhausted playing ME3MP by the end of each game. Doesn`t mean I didn`t have fun... but ME3MP PuG was pure workout. lol |
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Post by Transcended One on May 23, 2017 15:46:23 GMT
-We (well at least those on the PC) can bind different keys to dodge, melee, use and jump (oh wait!) without hacking the config file.
-FOV-slider (on PC) without editing cfg.
And there are more in my opinion, but since not everyone agrees those are improvements I leave them out.
All in all BW still has a lot of work to do, and some things will probably improve. But even if it reaches the same level of quality of ME3, many people will still think it's worse because of those "not-improvements".
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Post by varicite on May 23, 2017 15:50:41 GMT
Maybe you're just old. Maybe you haven't yet gotted accustomed to pace. Maybe there is something off - after two pugs I generally have had my fill, too. Yes I am old, I've gotten accustomed to it, it is faster paced and not 'relaxing' I think the word you're looking for is "exciting". : D |
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Post by unclemonster on May 23, 2017 15:52:52 GMT
patch 1.06 completely changed the game in a positive direction.
I am having a great time with the multiplayer now!
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Post by Feneckus on May 23, 2017 15:55:45 GMT
No Geth Primes.
I gotta say this is my favorite thing about the whole game.
The other things listed in the OP are either minor annoyances at best, or just flat out wrong. I don't think individual power cooldowns were a positive change. At least not how it was implemented.
On a caster class in ME3, say, the Quarian Female Engineer, you were spamming powers as soon as they were off cooldown and it felt great. Even on a single husk, you'd use a Cryo Blast + Incinerate combo without feeling bad about it.
In MEA, for example with a Krogan Engineer, I won't cast incinerate if the target is half dead already. Or against a breacher. It's a total waste because I'd have to wait 12 seconds to cast it again, which is an eternity in a fast paced game like this. A better situation is bound to present itself. So I end up using my gun much more than in ME3.
Consequently, kits don't really differentiate themselves since you're using your gun most of the time. That leads to boredom/burning out pretty damn quick. Besides, I play Mass Effect because I want to be a badass space wizard, not because I want to shoot stuff dead. If I did, there's plenty of other games that do it better.
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Post by varicite on May 23, 2017 15:57:51 GMT
In MEA, for example with a Krogan Engineer, Well, sure, if you're going to use literally the SLOWEST combo maker in the game as your example... |
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Post by Gya on May 23, 2017 16:01:05 GMT
Invasion. Invasion is bae. The sound it makes with virulence is totally hawt. It's the best power in the game. Yeah I said it fite me irl.
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Post by gethadept on May 23, 2017 16:09:38 GMT
patch 1.06 completely changed the game in a positive direction. I am having a great time with the multiplayer now! I like patch 1.06 too. ...but let`s not forget that the reason patch 1.06 is so great is because its previous version was just...... shite.....  |
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Post by Feneckus on May 23, 2017 16:10:03 GMT
In MEA, for example with a Krogan Engineer, Well, sure, if you're going to use literally the SLOWEST combo maker in the game as your example... Doesn't the fact that he exists prove my point though ? In ME3 the Human Engineer worked. In MEA, the Krogan Engineer doesn't. They have basically the same skillset. I could have talked about the Human Adept. You're not gonna waste a shockwave on a half dead enemy either, or a weak one. Energy Drain has become a ghetto ops pack instead of a power you would use on a regular basis. Incinerate/Overload have become situational. Invasion is used a lot less often than Tactical Scan was. Same with Cryo Blast / Snap Freeze. Most of the time its not a good idea to use your powers. And that's a shame when that's what makes the game unique. |
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