Weapon Stats Sheets Update (Patch 1.08 current) - New Weapons Included!! Link in OP!!

I will be honest and say Charger S & Predator S might actually have some uses.

The other three... I just hate them...

They are awful for their rarity across the board.  If they were UC, instead of Rare, I would probably find little to complain about, but for their rarity we should see improvements in a lot more than just damage, such as accuracy, clip size, spare ammo count, recoil, etc.  Otherwise the addition of the S weapons seems to penalize the player, instead of helping.


"Rare" rarity is already the largest pool of weapons, so adding crap that you'd never choose over other rares is just slowing down your acquisition rate for no tangible benefit.

bsn.boards.net/thread/9439/numerical-damage-tests?page=1 is my source, but not everything appears to have been directly tested yet.

peddroelm - any info on additional weakpoint multipliers not in the OP of the numerical damage thread?  I notice a conspicuous absence for Widow and Black Widow and am wondering if those are really 1.4 multiplied?

(Widow and Black Widow) they probably have +0.7 as expected. will check tomorrow

checked and they do

But BioWare worked so hard on them...

Here's my data points for this discussion -

Katana S (Rare) is not a good as the Disciple (Uncommon)

Charger S (Rare) & Predator S (Rare) are not as good as Phalanx (Uncommon)

Avenger S (Rare) is not as good as Mattock (Uncommon) or Zalkin (Uncommon)

Viper S (Rare) is only better than Viper (Common)

...

Of course they can be made better; my point is that they fucking suck right now.

Edit:  That came out snarky Uchimura, but I'm only annoyed that they would waste my time on these ATM, not at you.  You know, "biower pleez", not "uchimura pleez".

My pleasure.  I'm sharing a tool (really a few calculations) that I found super-useful in ME3 MP and I'm just glad if it helps anyone.

Currently I do not account for variable RoF or variable damage in the listed DPS'es, but I plan on correcting those once I can fully quantify their behavior.  For variable RoF guns to have a correct "Single Magazine Average DPS" value at every Rank, all I need to determine is the total time to empty a single full magazine for those weapons.  Any source for that info would bring those number into better alignment with in-game performance and if no other source is forthcoming, I'll do my best to quantify based on the available data.

For the meantime, please consider the numbers I'm showing as somewhat below in-game performance under sustained fire conditions for Shadow, Soned and Rozerad.  However, for burst fire or early during sustained fire, the numbers I've calculated will be pretty accurate.

I'm sure everyone reading this is likely already aware, but keep in mind also that all the numbers here are theoretical maximums.  Usually, one will not get the listed RoF in-game and one will not hit with every projectile.  Therefore, one's personal efficiency for RoF and hitting on target have a very large effect on actual in-game DPS performance.  Sometimes you're just better with a lower DPS gun, b/c you can hit more reliably (accuracy matters, depending on range) or b/c you can get closer to the listed RoF.  For example, burst fire weapons are more likely to achieve the listed DPS in-game compared to semi-automatic single shot weapons b/c there is a penalty for shooting too fast with semi-auto that is not present for burst fire weapons.

From what I hear Dhan has the 2.1 headshot modifier (like snipers).

Based on that gib, it sounds like the Dhan probably gets a +25% bonus to the base 1.4, not the +70% to the base 1.4 multiplier you get from most sniper rifles. At the same time, I prefer to err on the side of caution in representing performance until hard data comes in, so I'll leave the 1.4 for now.

Just bumping this thread so y'all know the newest data and calculations from Patch 1.08 are now available.

Quick thoughts (please share yours) -
Newest weapons looking weak.
Halberd now definitely worse than Mattock ... again.
Random changes to force on some guns.

It looks solid, but it sure doesn't look like it's OP based on DPS compared to other shotguns. At the same time, it sounds almost impossible to miss with it and it is very, very light for a shotgun.

It's also possible (likely) there are mechanics, like shield damage buffs, that I don't know about yet which might add credence to that claim.

idk what rarity it is though, so mebbe people comparing it to weak weapons coming to that conclusion?

If you say it`s solid it must be. Considering easy usage nature of Reegar... it must be great against many enemies in close range.

I don`t have it.. but I am sure I will have it at X by sometime tomorrow once I get some 1million + credits.