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Post by Fogg on Jun 11, 2017 12:28:56 GMT

After some fine reporting by Kotaku a while a go, many here refused to believe facts and rather embraced corporate lies. That's because they are Americans.

For those actually interested in the truth, the reporter eloborated on it over on Reddit:

Hey - I'm Jason Schreier, an editor over at Kotaku. I've seen a lot of posts on this subreddit about my report last month that BioWare Montreal was scaled down and that Mass Effect is on ice. I've seen a ton of you guys say things like "Kotaku clickbait" and "Kotaku is exaggerating what happens at every studio" so let me clear a few things up, based on conversations I've had with several people who know what's going on over there:

1) As far as I know, BioWare Montreal did not expect to be scaled down after they finished Andromeda - they expected to work on a sequel right away. This was not the sort of standard development downsizing or cycling you'd normally see at a game studio. From everything I've heard, most people at BioWare expected Mass Effect to continue immediately after Andromeda launched. The controversial reception to Andromeda DIRECTLY changed things. This was not "business as usual" -- that was the point of my article.

2) My understanding is that the studio has been completely gutted. I've heard that there are dozens and dozens of empty computers as people have moved, or left, and I expect more people to depart the studio this month. It's really sad.

3) I can't say I'm 100% sure about this, but I don't expect there to be any single-player Andromeda DLC, unfortunately.

4) "Clickbait" is an article that obfuscates news or misleads you in order to get you to click. Too many people use the word "clickbait" to refer to articles they just don't like. It bums me out.

I recommend reading this story if you haven't already. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but sometimes it's my job. I just want it to be clear that we're not exaggerating or sensationalizing the situation here.

Last Edit: Jun 11, 2017 12:45:58 GMT by Fogg

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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 11, 2017 12:36:55 GMT

All the more reason to love the developers that got the product out. To the crappy leadership that isn't on the unemployed line: your day is coming motherf*****s.

Either way, I'm still expecting DLC. Even if it's one.

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Post by malgus on Jun 11, 2017 12:40:44 GMT

As I said on another thread, Even when Ea does not plan to continue a series, the game gets dlc. Dead space 3 was the last of the dead space and EA knew there were not gonna do more dead space, but they sure as hell made dlc for it.

And even then, even if mass effect was indeed put on hiatus does not mean we shall never get a sequel, that is what happens with assassins creed, they have put series on hiatus after AC syndicate, but it does not mean they are not actually making another one, and the next will be in egypt. I am not saying its sure that we will get an other mass effect, just that right now its way too early to say.

The same way for dragon age, Laidlaw said that DA4 was not a thing yet, nearly a year after the last dlc of DAI : www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/01/dragon-age-4-not-thing-says-creative-director/

They were not working on it at this very moment. which did not mean they had no plans to do it eventually.

Because we know right now, we know they are working on one : www.polygon.com/2017/5/22/15675002/dragon-age-new-game-bioware

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Jun 11, 2017 12:28:56 GMT Fogg said:

After some fine reporting by Kotaku a while a go, many here refused to believe facts and rather embraced corporate lies. That's because they are Americans.

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Jun 11, 2017 12:28:56 GMT Fogg said:

After some fine reporting by Kotaku a while a go, many here refused to believe facts and rather embraced corporate lies. That's because they are Americans.

For those actually interested in the truth, the reporter eloborated on it over on Reddit:

Hey - I'm Jason Schreier, an editor over at Kotaku. I've seen a lot of posts on this subreddit about my report last month that BioWare Montreal was scaled down and that Mass Effect is on ice. I've seen a ton of you guys say things like "Kotaku clickbait" and "Kotaku is exaggerating what happens at every studio" so let me clear a few things up, based on conversations I've had with several people who know what's going on over there:

1) As far as I know, BioWare Montreal did not expect to be scaled down after they finished Andromeda - they expected to work on a sequel right away. This was not the sort of standard development downsizing or cycling you'd normally see at a game studio. From everything I've heard, most people at BioWare expected Mass Effect to continue immediately after Andromeda launched. The controversial reception to Andromeda DIRECTLY changed things. This was not "business as usual" -- that was the point of my article.

2) My understanding is that the studio has been completely gutted. I've heard that there are dozens and dozens of empty computers as people have moved, or left, and I expect more people to depart the studio this month. It's really sad.

3) I can't say I'm 100% sure about this, but I don't expect there to be any single-player Andromeda DLC, unfortunately.

4) "Clickbait" is an article that obfuscates news or misleads you in order to get you to click. Too many people use the word "clickbait" to refer to articles they just don't like. It bums me out.

I recommend reading this story if you haven't already. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but sometimes it's my job. I just want it to be clear that we're not exaggerating or sensationalizing the situation here.

so if we believe this,so that is "end of the world".
so why not just close this forum ?

there are many game outside not just MEA

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Thanks Faceman, I ignored that. I'm American and I just it took as penis-envy.

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Jun 11, 2017 12:55:19 GMT kpsia518 said:

Jun 11, 2017 12:28:56 GMT Fogg said:

After some fine reporting by Kotaku a while a go, many here refused to believe facts and rather embraced corporate lies. That's because they are Americans.

For those actually interested in the truth, the reporter eloborated on it over on Reddit:

so if we believe this,so that is "end of the world".
so why not just close this forum ?

there are many game outside not just MEA

No way, I'm going to discuss Mass Effect lore and stuff for all of eternity here with my fellow Mass Effect fans. A part of me is looking forward to Mass Effect being some cult thing of the past.

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Post by kpsia518 on Jun 11, 2017 13:02:58 GMT

Jun 11, 2017 12:58:19 GMT Fogg said:

Jun 11, 2017 12:55:19 GMT kpsia518 said:

so if we believe this,so that is "end of the world".
so why not just close this forum ?

there are many game outside not just MEA

No way, I'm going to discuss Mass Effect lore and stuff for all of eternity here with my fellow Mass Effect fans. A part of me is looking forward to Mass Effect being some cult thing of the past.

so what i thinking is "keep my dream alive",MEA2,MEA3,MEA4.....in year 2020

so i going to said : kotaku is bullshit at all.

i just want my dream alive

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Jun 11, 2017 12:55:19 GMT kpsia518 said:

Jun 11, 2017 12:28:56 GMT Fogg said:

After some fine reporting by Kotaku a while a go, many here refused to believe facts and rather embraced corporate lies. That's because they are Americans.

For those actually interested in the truth, the reporter eloborated on it over on Reddit:

so if we believe this,so that is "end of the world".
so why not just close this forum ?

there are many game outside not just MEA

That's not the point. We still love ME series. We will never find out what really happened, so we look for the answers wherever we can - BW got silent, they are not talking with us anymore. I just feel sorry for all those people, who's been working hard in last 18 months trying to deliver the best they can in such short period of time. I am not sorry for their F U management, who should be sacked for destroying 5 years of MEA development and putting such a great series into misery. I don't need Kotaku reports to know that MEA wasn't the game it meant to be. I don't need internal sources to know that game we got on 21st march should NEVER be released on that date.

Other thing is that EVERYONE who bought MEA deserve a closure - Ryder's storyline, Quarian Ark, some other things. And we need to push BioWare day by day, we have to remind them all the time that they are obliged to deliver those answers. That's the only thing we can do.

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Post by Psychevore on Jun 11, 2017 13:12:46 GMT

4) "Clickbait" is an article that obfuscates news or misleads you in order to get you to click. Too many people use the word "clickbait" to refer to articles they just don't like. It bums me out.

Yeah, that's why you edited your article twice, because it wasn't misleading or obfuscating, Jason.

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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 11, 2017 13:17:59 GMT

Thing is, he had to change the original article's wording because people thought Bioware Montreal staff was getting fired, when in reality they were getting relocated to other products. He corrected it later, so we know most of those people are still in Bioware/EA.

The thing he doesn't take into account was that soon after MEA came out "Project Dylan" AKA "Anthem" got delayed six months to a year. Whether that's related to the reception of MEA is irrelevant.

It's entirely plausible and reasonable that because Dylan was behind schedule, as well as other projects requiring more people for the polishing (like Battlefront II) that though they initially expected to work on MEA2 immediately following the release, other Bioware/EA games with current investment and timetables took precedence and that's why they got moved.

It would make sense to move the animators and coders to ongoing projects while the writers and concept artists looked at MEA feedback and discussed scope and story for the next game. If the article was true, it's obvious that they wouldn't have had time to work on the story/characters for MEA2 with the 18 month crunch they had.

I mean, that's just using common sense, but what do I know? I'm just American.

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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 11, 2017 13:23:24 GMT

It's just the rumor mill. You guys do what you want with it. I have plenty of popcorn.

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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 11, 2017 13:25:06 GMT

Jun 11, 2017 12:36:55 GMT Cyan_Griffonclaw said:

All the more reason to love the developers that got the product out. To the crappy leadership that isn't on the unemployed line: your day is coming motherf*****s.

Either way, I'm still expecting DLC. Even if it's one.

have to admit this is what I'm thinking to especially as they're still working on patches.

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Post by Psychevore on Jun 11, 2017 13:26:18 GMT

Jun 11, 2017 13:17:59 GMT maximusarael020 said:

I mean, that's just using common sense, but what do I know? I'm just American.

Doesn't help your point

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I just wish someone at EA or Bioware would tell us whether or not there will be any SP DLC. Surely they know by now?!?

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Jun 11, 2017 13:27:16 GMT ProbeAway said:

I just wish someone at EA or Bioware would tell us whether or not there will be any SP DLC. Surely they know by now?!?

Agreed I've asked whether we'll see any haven't had a response though. I suspect we'll find out soon though given the game has now been out a few months one way or another. I think we need to know as well as to whether to consider MEA a lost cause or not. Given they're stlil patching it aand while they'er still patching it I'd say there's still a chance. But we need moer info and soon I'd say. DA2 was able to be salvaged through it's DLC. I still hope that we can say the same for MEA and that the damage will not be permanent.

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Edits article a few times and expects people to believe what he says now.

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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 11, 2017 13:33:33 GMT

Jun 11, 2017 13:17:59 GMT maximusarael020 said:

Thing is, he had to change the original article's wording because people thought Bioware Montreal staff was getting fired, when in reality they were getting relocated to other products. He corrected it later, so we know most of those people are still in Bioware/EA.

The thing he doesn't take into account was that soon after MEA came out "Project Dylan" AKA "Anthem" got delayed six months to a year. Whether that's related to the reception of MEA is irrelevant.

It's entirely plausible and reasonable that because Dylan was behind schedule, as well as other projects requiring more people for the polishing (like Battlefront II) that though they initially expected to work on MEA2 immediately following the release, other Bioware/EA games with current investment and timetables took precedence and that's why they got moved.

It would make sense to move the animators and coders to ongoing projects while the writers and concept artists looked at MEA feedback and discussed scope and story for the next game. If the article was true, it's obvious that they wouldn't have had time to work on the story/characters for MEA2 with the 18 month crunch they had.

I mean, that's just using common sense, but what do I know? I'm just American.

I'm American too. I also have a college education, traveled around the world, spent time in the Army as a combat medic and enjoy the pursuit of happiness. 'Merica, F*** yeah!

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Post by goishen on Jun 11, 2017 13:34:18 GMT

Meh, I think all Americans in this thread are becoming jingoistic, 'cause ya know, 'Murica. All of this on a throw away phrase, that wasn't really the point. There's really no call for that, and I'm saying this as an American.

I'm not really at all surprised by what the author of the Kotaku article had to say. I'm just surprised it took him this long to say it.

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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 11, 2017 13:36:27 GMT

Jun 11, 2017 13:27:16 GMT ProbeAway said:

I just wish someone at EA or Bioware would tell us whether or not there will be any SP DLC. Surely they know by now?!?

Of course they know. It's simple as that - they planned DLC - because you got this post-ending message about Quarians. So if they were planning DLC, for sure it is / it supposed to be already in production/pre-production stage. There is only one small problem - at the moment they discuss a lot of stuff with fans here are there, but everytime when someone mention "MEA DLC" suddenly they go silent.
Ask yourself what could be the reason for it.

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Post by LilTIM on Jun 11, 2017 13:38:30 GMT

The quarian dlc was likely started already so i would expect it to be released for sure. After that, nobody knows - if you trust these Kotaku news ME will be shelved for a while.

These kind of "behind the scenes" news are always divisive like that, because by it's very nature they can't cite sources, so not everyone is willing to beleive it. In the end time proves if there awas any truth to it, or it was just a reporter trying to get views.

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