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Post by biggydx on Jun 13, 2017 1:58:27 GMT
Is it the unique passive ability that they have? Or is it the powers and how they synergize?
The Duelist has her Asari Sword The Gladiator has the Krogan Hammer The Kineticist has her energized form The Angaran Avenger has Avenger Strike The Angaran Exemplar has Bioelectric Focus The Operator only has Invasion to differentiate himself from the others.
So what do you feel makes an ultra rare kit ULTRA RARE? Me personally, I feel as though it's them having a unique passive ability.
If you must know why I'm bringing this up, it's because I'm wondering what could be done to improve the UR quality of the Duelist (and maybe the Operator - if only slightly). I feel as though the Duelist should get a power cooldown bonus when successfully landing a melee attack.
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Post by N7Mith on Jun 13, 2017 2:07:32 GMT
The fact that I can't reach it's full potential for a long time. That's not completely bad though.
UR's should bring something unique to the table, that's why I don't like the look of the Exemplar. He just does HuSent better, and not even a lot. Duelist is fine because she can skip through walls (though that could be improved), and Operator is fine too, because he gives aids to everyone.
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Post by killabkilledb on Jun 13, 2017 2:09:07 GMT
Her energized form? Do you even kineticist, bro? She is only the greatest multiplayer character of all time...
Operator has the crystal shattering noise and duelist is like what are walls? Invasion is a pretty OP ability...
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Post by evhgear on Jun 13, 2017 2:09:39 GMT
Special powers & abilety that no others have, plus a unique looking to complement it.
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Jun 13, 2017 2:15:11 GMT
Invasion is arguably one of the best abilities in the game. Duelist specialty is not her melee, to say, but she teleports, even through walls. Asari sword is.... nvm I trolled enough today. But yes run up to a wall your trying to get through, right before you touch it for cover hit dash and you'll be on the other side. Can melee in the same fashion I guess, if your into that dumb sh.....
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Post by shinobiwan on Jun 13, 2017 2:41:37 GMT
The fact that I can't reach it's full potential for a long time. That's not completely bad though. UR's should bring something unique to the table, that's why I don't like the look of the Exemplar. He just does HuSent better, and not even a lot. Duelist is fine because she can skip through walls (though that could be improved), and Operator is fine too, because he gives aids to everyone. Exemplar and Hsent really aren't that similar despite that they share two powers. Hsent has way better weapon damage, and Exemplar has way faster cooldowns and a much heavier emphasis on combos (it can get cooldowns down to just a few seconds and spam the hell out of them). Exemplar also has the unique ability to have the dot of a tech burst prime enemies.
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Post by CHRrOME on Jun 13, 2017 2:56:22 GMT
I'd say 2 things at least:
*Uniqueness in powers: Either completely new powers or at least the majority new. *Cool factor: How cool they look/are because of the lore behind them or whatever. Say, a Krogan Infiltrator, or a Salarian Adept, how many ever heard of that? -Not necessarily, but: some cool mechanic or way to play tied to that kit. See the human kineticist for instance or the new Angara kit.
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Post by varicite on Jun 13, 2017 3:13:59 GMT
Her energized form? Do you even kineticist, bro? She is only the greatest multiplayer character of all time... Operator has the crystal shattering noise and duelist is like what are walls? Invasion is a pretty OP ability... I fucking hate the Kineticist. Only because every time I'm doing my flashy ass super teleport sword swing mark III, Kineticist is like YOINK! TOSS! and then zips past me, and I swear they are laughing w/ a snarky NOPE BITCH. ...at least, that's what I would be doing in their shoes.
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Post by killabkilledb on Jun 13, 2017 3:28:42 GMT
Her energized form? Do you even kineticist, bro? She is only the greatest multiplayer character of all time... Operator has the crystal shattering noise and duelist is like what are walls? Invasion is a pretty OP ability... I fucking hate the Kineticist. Only because every time I'm doing my flashy ass super teleport sword swing mark III, Kineticist is like YOINK! TOSS! and then zips past me, and I swear they are laughing w/ a snarky NOPE BITCH. ...at least, that's what I would be doing in their shoes. I had a guy ask me to stay away from him. He said I'm trying to get as far away from you as possible because everything I go to shoot is just pulled and detonated lol
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Post by Transcended One on Jun 13, 2017 4:12:05 GMT
Operator is fine too, because he gives aids to everyone.
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Post by auronio on Jun 13, 2017 4:47:52 GMT
Is it the unique passive ability that they have? Or is it the powers and how they synergize? The Duelist has her Asari Sword The Gladiator has the Krogan Hammer The Kineticist has her energized form The Angaran Avenger has Avenger Strike The Angaran Exemplar has Bioelectric Focus The Operator only has Invasion to differentiate himself from the others. So what do you feel makes an ultra rare kit ULTRA RARE? Me personally, I feel as though it's them having a unique passive ability. If you must know why I'm bringing this up, it's because I'm wondering what could be done to improve the UR quality of the Duelist (and maybe the Operator - if only slightly). I feel as though the Duelist should get a power cooldown bonus when successfully landing a melee attack. In general - a power or ability which isn't available for the rest of the characters. Also an uncommon combination of powers. e. g. Angara Avenger has her special strike which is a charge/melee combination in one power. But she represents also a mix from a vanguard and an infiltrator. Asari Duelist's sword is special and nice but her true unique feature is her teleporting ability. Salarian Operator benefits from his unique invasion power making him the tech version of an Asari Expert - killing everything passively long after he/she dealed with an enemy.
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Post by KLGChaos on Jun 13, 2017 5:37:38 GMT
UR should have unique, interesting powers or playstyles. Kineticist feels the most Ultra Rare to me because of Biotic Ascension- it's unique in what it does. The others feel like they could be fit in with the rares and some of the rares feel like they could fit with the URs, like the Havoc Soldier with her unique focus on Hovering or the Angara Insurgents trap game.
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Post by The Joe-Man on Jun 13, 2017 8:27:04 GMT
The UR kits are all good at low levels in that they have powers that synergize very well with only one point in them. This makes them good candidates for the slower UR grind since they're not dependent on those high level cards to be viable.
Gladiator: One point in pull and you've got her gimmick. Quickly level up rage and she's set. Avenger: One point in stealth grid is all you need for her hit and run tactics to work on gold. Build up her melee and Avenger Strike first. Duelist: One point in backlash and two points in charge and she's good. Build up melee and work from there. Operator: One point in shield boost and it's already very useful. Build up Invasion and he's ready. Kineticist: One point in pull and throw and her gimmick is good to go. Build up Biotic Ascension.
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Post by Sentinel2010 on Jun 13, 2017 8:57:17 GMT
Only when the kit brings 20 Cobra missiles into the mission.
So no, all current URs are not worthy.
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Post by spacev3gan on Jun 13, 2017 9:10:21 GMT
The Operator is quite powerful, yet he doesn't feel that unique (I would even argue the Architect is more unique). The Kineticist feels unique but hardly that powerful. The Duelist falls somewhere in the middle, but I believe she is an UR mostly for lore reasons (there aren't many retired Justicars out there, especially one looking and sounding that young). I am kinda on the fence with these 3 characters, while I believe the other ones justify their uniqueness. Probably the one that does that the most right now is the Exemplar. He really feels like a Tech God.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 13, 2017 9:16:57 GMT
The Operator is quite powerful, yet he doesn't feel that unique (I would even argue the Architect is more unique). The Kineticist feels unique but hardly that powerful. The Duelist falls somewhere in the middle, but I believe she is an UR mostly for lore reasons (there aren't many retired Justicars out there, especially one looking and sounding that young). I am kinda on the fence with these 3 characters, while I believe the other ones justify their uniqueness. Probably the one that does that the most right now is the Exemplar. He really feels like a Tech God. Why do people keep saying this?
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Post by kaileena_sands on Jun 13, 2017 9:34:46 GMT
The Operator is quite powerful, yet he doesn't feel that unique (I would even argue the Architect is more unique). The Kineticist feels unique but hardly that powerful. The Duelist falls somewhere in the middle, but I believe she is an UR mostly for lore reasons (there aren't many retired Justicars out there, especially one looking and sounding that young). I am kinda on the fence with these 3 characters, while I believe the other ones justify their uniqueness. Probably the one that does that the most right now is the Exemplar. He really feels like a Tech God. Why do people keep saying this? Yeah, she is a freaking monster. Maybe they are not using the ascending mechanic well to their advantage. And her "ascending" looks pretty cool, like a biotic goddess. Or, alternatively it looks as if someone is assuming direct control ha ha. My main problem with her is that when pugs play her, they inevitably, every time without fail throw the Ascendants around when the orb is down. STOP. THROWING. THE GODDAMN ASCENDANT. AAAAH.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 13, 2017 9:48:30 GMT
Why do people keep saying this? Yeah, she is a freaking monster. Maybe they are not using the ascending mechanic well to their advantage. And her "ascending" looks pretty cool, like a biotic goddess. Or, alternatively it looks as if someone is assuming direct control ha ha. My main problem with her is that when pugs play her, they inevitably, every time without fail throw the Ascendants around when the orb is down. STOP. THROWING. THE GODDAMN ASCENDANT. AAAAH. I rarely ever use Throw on her. Lance detonations FTW.
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Post by cosmo on Jun 13, 2017 10:04:35 GMT
[...] So what do you feel makes an ultra rare kit ULTRA RARE? [...] $pecial need$
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Post by dariat on Jun 13, 2017 11:13:13 GMT
The Kineticist feels unique but hardly that powerful. This is how the Kineticist should be played if you want her to be powerful.
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Post by N7Mith on Jun 13, 2017 11:19:38 GMT
The fact that I can't reach it's full potential for a long time. That's not completely bad though. UR's should bring something unique to the table, that's why I don't like the look of the Exemplar. He just does HuSent better, and not even a lot. Duelist is fine because she can skip through walls (though that could be improved), and Operator is fine too, because he gives aids to everyone. Exemplar and Hsent really aren't that similar despite that they share two powers. Hsent has way better weapon damage, and Exemplar has way faster cooldowns and a much heavier emphasis on combos (it can get cooldowns down to just a few seconds and spam the hell out of them). Exemplar also has the unique ability to have the dot of a tech burst prime enemies. Sure, but that doesn't change the playstyle. I got an HSent that does barricade + combos. It's exactly the same play, but Examplar does it better. If I don't take barricade, it's just like my other Hsent, but again a little better. It just makes it obsolete if you don't want to do a weapons build. Sure, I might change my mind once I get the kit. Wouldn't be the first time.
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Post by shinobiwan on Jun 13, 2017 11:36:56 GMT
Exemplar and Hsent really aren't that similar despite that they share two powers. Hsent has way better weapon damage, and Exemplar has way faster cooldowns and a much heavier emphasis on combos (it can get cooldowns down to just a few seconds and spam the hell out of them). Exemplar also has the unique ability to have the dot of a tech burst prime enemies. Sure, but that doesn't change the playstyle. I got an HSent that does barricade + combos. It's exactly the same play, but Examplar does it better. If I don't take barricade, it's just like my other Hsent, but again a little better. It just makes it obsolete if you don't want to do a weapons build. Sure, I might change my mind once I get the kit. Wouldn't be the first time. That's cool, but if you ignore the Hsent's 28% weapon damage that the Exemplar doesn't get, or the Exemplar's unique passive that provides a host of play style-changing buffs that Hsent doesn't get, of course they're going to look similar. I'm comparing the total package of the kits rather than the build you happen to have taken. And if we want to go anecdotal, my Hsent build plays nothing like my Exemplar. Basically, you need to try the class before you accuse it of being overly similar to an existing kit, because it's really not.
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Post by N7Mith on Jun 13, 2017 11:39:09 GMT
I fucking hate the Kineticist. Only because every time I'm doing my flashy ass super teleport sword swing mark III, Kineticist is like YOINK! TOSS! and then zips past me, and I swear they are laughing w/ a snarky NOPE BITCH. ...at least, that's what I would be doing in their shoes. I had a guy ask me to stay away from him. He said I'm trying to get as far away from you as possible because everything I go to shoot is just pulled and detonated lol Yes, she is a lot of fun to troll with.
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Post by rlro on Jun 13, 2017 12:17:24 GMT
All UR characters have unique abilities, being them active or passive.
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Post by misguidedworm7 on Jun 13, 2017 12:45:23 GMT
Sure, but that doesn't change the playstyle. I got an HSent that does barricade + combos. It's exactly the same play, but Examplar does it better. If I don't take barricade, it's just like my other Hsent, but again a little better. It just makes it obsolete if you don't want to do a weapons build. Sure, I might change my mind once I get the kit. Wouldn't be the first time. The insane weapons passive makes the exemplar insane. -. 15% power damage/force --. 30% power effect duration ---. tech combos prime enemies for tech combos ----a. 35% power/force b. 35% recharge speed, +1 power cell -----a. 50% power effect duration, tech combo damage area lasts 50% longer b. 25% power damage to shields, 50% combo damage ------a. deal 150 damage to nearby enemies every 10 seconds, *2 to shields, *1.5 to synthetics, primes for tech combos b. Killing enemies with a combo gives 50% recharge speed. And he has bio-electric defense. Which is one of the best passives for defense, giving 80 dr for the first 5 seconds of any fight, and has a recharge speed evolution. And his melee uses the kett carfalon, restoring ~15-20% of his health per hit in a wide circle around him. I have him at 1/1/1/6/6 and he is nuts, you don't even need to level his powers to rip everything to shreds while being a hearty tank, as he has both health and shield restoration, energy drain on a ~2-6 second cooldown and melee that heals him. The only weakness he has is that it takes a while to combo down lone enemies, but groups disappear in a chain of lightning.
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