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Post by Iddy on Jun 15, 2017 16:37:01 GMT
The last sentence is "It is only when we fall that we learn whether we can fly".
That sounds like a test for our DA2 hero to overcome. Thing is, Hawke apparently stays dead. Awkward, right? "Huh, it turns out Hawke can't fly after all".
No... that can't be it. In most stories, the point of an obstacle is to triumph and come out stronger. That doesn't happen, so Flemeth's prophecy probably was about something else.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jun 15, 2017 16:46:14 GMT
Sorry, what is HLTA? Hurlocks Love the Anderfels?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 16:58:42 GMT
^ Maybe it's Herald Likes Terrible Acronyms. If this is about who died in the Fade, it's explicit when you choose that the person who stays, "may die". Everyone in the game afterwards acts as if they are dead, but the wording is very specific to leave the character open for use in later games if needed.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 15, 2017 17:15:27 GMT
^ Maybe it's Herald Likes Terrible Acronyms. If this is about who died in the Fade, it's explicit when you choose that the person who stays, "may die". Everyone in the game afterwards acts as if they are dead, but the wording is very specific to leave the character open for use in later games if needed. Which is highly unlikely, since Hawke's role is finished and the chances of meeting the LIs again are remote. Not to mention that the Trespasser epilogue only mentions Hawke if s/he wasn't the one left in the Fade.
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Post by phoray on Jun 15, 2017 17:22:31 GMT
I've never thought that HTLA had anything to do with the prophesy. I think it had to do with choosing sides in Kirkwall, which echoes forward into the next game, or something else entirely.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 15, 2017 21:04:05 GMT
I thought it was just Flemeth being cryptic as always and in hindsight probably has more to do with what Solas is planning. She says that people are afraid of taking a leap into the unknown and in DAI she refers to the Inquisitor as the "Herald of Change", so may be she is indicating that tearing down the Veil won't end total annihilation provided you take a leap of faith and embrace the chaos.
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Post by Marduk on Jun 16, 2017 13:03:02 GMT
It doesn't have to do anything with the Abyss quest necessarily if that was what you were referring to. she could tell that line to any hero and it could probably work considering the general message. it is like a fortune teller's trick and some writers take advantage of it. there is even the possibility that she was just messing with us at that moment by talking about flying since hawks fly.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 16, 2017 19:09:40 GMT
^ Maybe it's Herald Likes Terrible Acronyms. If this is about who died in the Fade, it's explicit when you choose that the person who stays, "may die". Everyone in the game afterwards acts as if they are dead, but the wording is very specific to leave the character open for use in later games if needed. Which is highly unlikely, since Hawke's role is finished and the chances of meeting the LIs again are remote. Not to mention that the Trespasser epilogue only mentions Hawke if s/he wasn't the one left in the Fade. Well, Hawke might still be in the Fade if they were left there. It's not like I can see how they'd get out. So the fact that we don't hear of them during the epilogue for Trespasser doesn't necessarily mean they're dead. But then again I can't think how they'd survive in there either, unless they got possessed. (Though even that might not be enough.)
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 16, 2017 19:19:56 GMT
According to the entry on Corypheus "nothing that knows doubt can survive the Fade", which suggests that if you have sufficient confidence in yourself (and possibly faith in the Maker or whoever you believe in) then it is possible to survive the place. Presumably time has no real meaning in the Fade so theoretically you could survive in there indefinitely since if you mind is strong enough you could sustain yourself by imagining food and drink, so provided the big spider demon didn't get you or the other denizens of the Fade, then you have a good chance.
This of course flies in the face of everything the Chantry teaches about the "sin" of the Magisters in even setting foot bodily in the Fade but most of their teaching has been rubbished without any of them actually admitting as much. Nevertheless, everyone seems to think Hawke/Stroud/Loghain/Alistair is dead but as we know that isn't a permanent state in Thedas.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jun 17, 2017 17:57:41 GMT
Trespasser definitely all but flat out states, to my mind, that whoever was "sacrificed" to the Nightmare is indeed dead, at least as far as anyone from the "real" side of the Veil would perceive it. So the "abyss" line from Flemeth that a lot of people kinda shoehorned in (I see no evidence that the devs were playing that sort of long con on things), while at the time could kind of work, and leave people to more or less headcanon what happened to Hawke, or any of the others after that, has been effectively cut off, yeah.
That said, this Hawke we're talking about, the living embodiment of "Wait...what?". Ridiculous antics accounting for Hawke's ability to survive the situation (even if Trespasser does more or less say otherwise) require no real additional suspension of disbelief for the character. And I hope/assume, going forward, that we won't have to worry about it anyway, as all the characters in question are no longer tied to the story, so I think it's fine with everyone just deciding for themselves what state they want things to be in.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 18, 2017 13:36:29 GMT
Sorry, what is HLTA? Hurlocks Love the Anderfels? I think it refres to the name of the quest which is Here lies the Abyss if I'm not mistaken whic is the questline you do with Hawke and the warden in DAI.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jun 19, 2017 23:47:40 GMT
I always take it as a private and impersonal statement / observation on Hawke's circumstances and the problems to come while at the same time, thinking of her own difficulties, past and present.
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Post by Blaze on Jun 20, 2017 5:06:42 GMT
fortune telling 101: make something general and vague and people can interpete it as they see fit, which would give it a high likelyhood the "prophacy" will fulfill.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 20, 2017 15:07:29 GMT
She is talking about the event in DA2 not in dai.
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Post by Sah291 on Jun 27, 2017 20:14:18 GMT
I don't think it was anything specific. She was just talking about how Thedas is afraid of the inevitable fall into the abyss, which will bring about chaos and uncertainty. The "abyss" here is a metaphor. You could argue this was probably about the mage templar war, the breach, or about what Solas is planning, but from Flemeth's perspective "the fall" is also necessary for change to happen, because that's also when heroes rise to greatness. She's telling Hawke to watch for that "moment" and to leap for it.
As it applies to Hawke, it could be about his/her role in the mage/templar conflict. In DA2 Hawke experiences a rise to power and a fall of sorts. If the devs had any further plans for Hawke that plot thread was probably either abandoned or given to other characters like the Inquisitor by the time DAI and that quest line was written.
Remember she is also Mythal, who was supposedly murdered and saw the fall of the ancient elven empire, which she described as "inevitable" and something that could not be changed. She was once one of the most important Elven gods, who saw her own fall from power and the fall of her people.
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Post by tacsear on Jun 27, 2017 20:24:30 GMT
It doesn't, but it still feels nice to find a connection
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