anarchy65
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 891 Likes: 1,080
inherit
8825
0
1,080
anarchy65
891
Jun 25, 2017 23:54:40 GMT
June 2017
anarchy65
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by anarchy65 on Jan 19, 2019 0:45:39 GMT
He had very few loyal troops and followers. Many were actually bootlickers. Most of House Baratheon's vassals actually prefered to side with his brother. I think the only one that followed Stannis for loyalty was Davos, and many times he disobeyed Stannis' commands because he knew they were wrong. Ok...here's the thing. If Renly, Robb and Stannis had taken their eyes off the Iron Throne and worked together, they would've been able to defeat the Lannisters...getting the Lannisters out should've been their top priority, instead of worrying about who was going to be King next, because there was a good chance not all the men would've made it out of such a battle anyways and the rival or rivals they were worried about BEFORE the battle, could be out of their hair after it. All 3 men were to stuck on their own glory, that they ignored who the real enemy was. None of them were worthy of the title because none of them had the foresight to look beyond their own ambitions and do what needed to be done. I completely agree with you that they could have taken their eyes away from the throne and work together. The problem is, Stannis is likely the only one that wouldn't accept it. To him, "I am the king, obey me, period.", and things don't work like that. Robb actually offered his help for both of them. He could even negotiate with Renly to go against the Lannisters and solve the rest later, but Stannis wouldn't accept anything. And it was Stannis who actually made the first move against them. He murdered his own brother and then left the Tyrells behind without thinking on what they could do, while Robb was fighting Lannisters on the west and Renly was marching on King's Landing. The "smartest" move would have been to let his brother take King's Landing, wait for the Tyrells to return to Highgarden and THEN murder him. So not only Stannis is a scumbag, he's actually stupid too
|
|
inherit
Champion of Kirkwall
1212
0
8,023
Sifr
3,737
Aug 25, 2016 20:05:11 GMT
August 2016
sifr
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
|
Post by Sifr on Jan 19, 2019 0:49:22 GMT
Ok...here's the thing. If Renly, Robb and Stannis had taken their eyes off the Iron Throne and worked together, they would've been able to defeat the Lannisters...getting the Lannisters out should've been their top priority, instead of worrying about who was going to be King next, because there was a good chance not all the men would've made it out of such a battle anyways and the rival or rivals they were worried about BEFORE the battle, could be out of their hair after it. All 3 men were to stuck on their own glory, that they ignored who the real enemy was. None of them were worthy of the title because none of them had the foresight to look beyond their own ambitions and do what needed to be done. Didn't GRRM say something very similar about the Baratheon brothers?
If all three had been born as a single person, they could have been the best King in Westerosi history. They'd have had a leader who was likable and was able to play the game (Renly), had a keen strategic mind and head for administration (Stannis) and a capable soldier who knows how to wage war (Robert).
If Robb Stark, Renly and Stannis had formed a similar triumvirate, with Stannis as the Head, Renly as the Face and Robb as the Fist, they'd have easily been able to take King's Landing and break the Lannister forces.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
10535
0
Deleted
0
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 1:38:48 GMT
Ok...here's the thing. If Renly, Robb and Stannis had taken their eyes off the Iron Throne and worked together, they would've been able to defeat the Lannisters...getting the Lannisters out should've been their top priority, instead of worrying about who was going to be King next, because there was a good chance not all the men would've made it out of such a battle anyways and the rival or rivals they were worried about BEFORE the battle, could be out of their hair after it. All 3 men were to stuck on their own glory, that they ignored who the real enemy was. None of them were worthy of the title because none of them had the foresight to look beyond their own ambitions and do what needed to be done. Didn't GRRM say something very similar about the Baratheon brothers?
If all three had been born as a single person, they could have been the best King in Westerosi history. They'd have had a leader who was likable and was able to play the game (Renly), had a keen strategic mind and head for administration (Stannis) and a capable soldier who knows how to wage war (Robert).
If Robb Stark, Renly and Stannis had formed a similar triumvirate, with Stannis as the Head, Renly as the Face and Robb as the Fist, they'd have easily been able to take King's Landing and break the Lannister forces.
I'll be honest, I don't know what GRRM had to say on the subject, but his writing speaks for itself. He created a world where any of the characters could've made a good leader but each one had a flaw. Of all the characters, Tyrion was the only one who's flaw was that his appearance caused him to be ridiculed and underestimated. Jamie was the only one who appreciated him for who he was. Tyrion is intelligent, fair, ruthless when necessary, calm and doesn't act without considering his options. He understands the how diplomacy works, he is quite capable of reading a person's motives and he has the ability to put people at ease. His flaws weren't his own, they were placed there by people who were too ignorant or prejudicial to see him for the strong, sympathetic, brave, intelligent leader he could've been.
|
|
House Targaryen
N5
The night is dark and full of terrors, but the fire burns them all away.
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Origin: gscott7833
Prime Posts: 1,584
Posts: 4,535 Likes: 10,214
inherit
621
0
10,214
House Targaryen
The night is dark and full of terrors, but the fire burns them all away.
4,535
August 2016
thehound
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
gscott7833
1,584
|
Post by House Targaryen on Jan 19, 2019 6:55:20 GMT
I was in the Stannis camp until he did that heinous crime against his daughter. That was unforgivable. I hope Melisandre meets her end in the flames she covets.
Robb was a stupid youth who didn't know how to play the game of politics. Love is irrelevant when it comes to politics and alliances. He embarrassed the Frey's and made them lose face when he lied and backed out of the promise he made to them. The Freys did what they had to do and the other banner men sided with the Freys like the Boltons. After reading up on the history of GoT, the Boltons serve the Starks grudgingly. They have a history of warring with each other and they didn't hesitate to strike at the Starks when they could.
House Targaryen needs to sit on the throne again with Tyrion as the Hand.
|
|
inherit
Champion of Kirkwall
1212
0
8,023
Sifr
3,737
Aug 25, 2016 20:05:11 GMT
August 2016
sifr
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
|
Post by Sifr on Jan 19, 2019 7:11:42 GMT
I think that Jon's the only person who deserves the throne at the end of it.
Not because of his secret Targaryen lineage giving him the best claim, but because like most good leaders, he doesn't seek power. And he's the only leader in Westeros who both recognised the threat posed by the Others and fully committed himself to stopping them, long before everyone else even caught wind of it.
Stannis came close for also recognising the threat very early on, but he was still too swept up in trying to secure the throne, rather than putting his ambitions on hold to focus on the larger picture.
|
|
anarchy65
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 891 Likes: 1,080
inherit
8825
0
1,080
anarchy65
891
Jun 25, 2017 23:54:40 GMT
June 2017
anarchy65
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by anarchy65 on Jan 19, 2019 14:25:00 GMT
I was in the Stannis camp until he did that heinous crime against his daughter. That was unforgivable. I hope Melisandre meets her end in the flames she covets. Robb was a stupid youth who didn't know how to play the game of politics. Love is irrelevant when it comes to politics and alliances. He embarrassed the Frey's and made them lose face when he lied and backed out of the promise he made to them. The Freys did what they had to do and the other banner men sided with the Freys like the Boltons. After reading up on the history of GoT, the Boltons serve the Starks grudgingly. They have a history of warring with each other and they didn't hesitate to strike at the Starks when they could. House Targaryen needs to sit on the throne again with Tyrion as the Hand. Daenerys made much more stupid moves than Robb, but he doesn't have plot armor or magic dragons to help him. If it wasn't for plot armor, Daenerys would have died on season 1. And as I already said multiple times, the betrayal of Robb was going to happen even if he didn't marry another girl. It was already happening before. House Targaryen must die.
|
|
anarchy65
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 891 Likes: 1,080
inherit
8825
0
1,080
anarchy65
891
Jun 25, 2017 23:54:40 GMT
June 2017
anarchy65
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by anarchy65 on Jan 19, 2019 14:26:40 GMT
The problem is that all candidates for kings/queens we have now are utterly stupid: Sansa, Cersei, Daenerys and Jon.
The only one that would really make a good king is Tyrion, but he has no claim on it, nor is willing it.
|
|
inherit
Spirit talker
764
0
16,332
Giant Ambush Beetle
9,261
August 2016
giantambushbeetle
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jan 19, 2019 15:41:34 GMT
The problem is that all candidates for kings/queens we have now are utterly stupid: Sansa, Cersei, Daenerys and Jon. The only one that would really make a good king is Tyrion, but he has no claim on it, nor is willing it. At this point I would not mind the night king, whatever his goals may be, devastate Westeros, kill everyone and claim the land for his kind. I hope Dany's vision of the desolated snow covered throne room in the red keep was a sign for things to come. Sandor Clegane must live though, he is awesome.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
10535
0
Deleted
0
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 20:09:03 GMT
The problem is that all candidates for kings/queens we have now are utterly stupid: Sansa, Cersei, Daenerys and Jon. The only one that would really make a good king is Tyrion, but he has no claim on it, nor is willing it. At this point I would not mind the night king, whatever his goals may be, devastate Westeros, kill everyone and claim the land for his kind. I hope Dany's vision of the desolated snow covered throne room in the red keep was a sign for things to come. Sandor Clegane must live though, he is awesome. The way I figure it is that Jon and Dany are going to have a baby, Dany is going to die and Jon is going to take the Night King's place by taking the shard (or whatever that is) out of the NK's chest and sticking it into his own chest where there is that scar. He'll revive Dany as a White Walker and take the WW army up North while Tyrion raises the baby/babies as heirs to the throne. No one will contest it because A) Targeryn blood and B ) Jon will bring the WW army down on anyone trying to usurp his child. And you're right Beetle, the Hound is awesome...so is Bronn. them both.
|
|
House Targaryen
N5
The night is dark and full of terrors, but the fire burns them all away.
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Origin: gscott7833
Prime Posts: 1,584
Posts: 4,535 Likes: 10,214
inherit
621
0
10,214
House Targaryen
The night is dark and full of terrors, but the fire burns them all away.
4,535
August 2016
thehound
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
gscott7833
1,584
|
Post by House Targaryen on Jan 19, 2019 23:33:54 GMT
I think that Jon's the only person who deserves the throne at the end of it. Not because of his secret Targaryen lineage giving him the best claim, but because like most good leaders, he doesn't seek power. And he's the only leader in Westeros who both recognised the threat posed by the Others and fully committed himself to stopping them, long before everyone else even caught wind of it. Stannis came close for also recognising the threat very early on, but he was still too swept up in trying to secure the throne, rather than putting his ambitions on hold to focus on the larger picture. I include Jon in the House of Targaryen. And he would be the best choice from what you stated already. Jon and Dany could be another Jaehaerys I and Alysanne in bringing the kingdoms back together and make positive changes for the betterment of all. Those two had to clean up the mess that Maegor the Cruel, another mad king, had done to the realms. Jon and Dany will have to do the same thing with the mess that Cersi and those before her, have left. It is doubtful that Dany will take the throne for herself, the people of Westeros have a history of only a male heir to lead the realm. The civil war of the Dance of Dragons bears in mind.
|
|
inherit
Champion of Kirkwall
1212
0
8,023
Sifr
3,737
Aug 25, 2016 20:05:11 GMT
August 2016
sifr
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
|
Post by Sifr on Jan 20, 2019 4:57:30 GMT
I include Jon in the House of Targaryen. And he would be the best choice from what you stated already. Jon and Dany could be another Jaehaerys I and Alysanne in bringing the kingdoms back together and make positive changes for the betterment of all. Those two had to clean up the mess that Maegor the Cruel, another mad king, had done to the realms. Jon and Dany will have to do the same thing with the mess that Cersi and those before her, have left. It is doubtful that Dany will take the throne for herself, the people of Westeros have a history of only a male heir to lead the realm. The civil war of the Dance of Dragons bears in mind. I should add, that despite my criticism of Dany for her mismanagement of Meereen and her occasional arrogant sense of entitlement regarding her right to rule, she definitely won major points back with me for at least listening to her advisors and being willing to entertain the possibility the Night King existed.
Jon's lack of desire for power may make him the best choice for leader, but it does mean he might not be particularly interested in ruling. Whereas Dany clearly enjoys ruling (even if I don't think she always makes the best decisions), so she'd serve far better in that capacity if they two joined forces and ruled together.
Both definitely would be able to shore up each others weaknesses and character defects, as well as bring different approaches to the table. Dany wins loyalty through sheer force of will and personality, whereas Jon wins over people by his humbleness, earnestness and willingness to stand alongside them in the thick of danger. Dany is ambitious, whereas Jon is practical. Dany is a reformer, whereas Jon respects tradition. As a partnership, they would counterbalance each other rather well.
|
|
inherit
1130
0
Apr 16, 2024 15:03:09 GMT
431
wickedcool
659
Aug 22, 2016 13:08:32 GMT
August 2016
wickedcool
|
Post by wickedcool on Jan 20, 2019 13:50:13 GMT
If ned was smart can you please ecplain how? Same with Robb Agree with you on Robb’s mother but you would do anything for your children
Seems to me rant has made many good decisions and some poor ones. She has played the game better than most and had accomplished more than any character in the story
|
|
anarchy65
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 891 Likes: 1,080
inherit
8825
0
1,080
anarchy65
891
Jun 25, 2017 23:54:40 GMT
June 2017
anarchy65
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by anarchy65 on Jan 20, 2019 15:04:38 GMT
If ned was smart can you please ecplain how? Same with Robb Agree with you on Robb’s mother but you would do anything for your children Seems to me rant has made many good decisions and some poor ones. She has played the game better than most and had accomplished more than any character in the story What good decisions did Catelyn make? She released Jaime Lannister, she captured Tyrion, she trusted Littlefinger and told Ned to trust him. I think the only good thing she did was to advise Robb not to trust Theon. And yes, Ned was smart, but like I said, he DOESN'T WANT TO PLAY THE GAME. The problem with Ned is not that he is dumb, is that he is a honest person in a nest of vipers. And he KNOWS that. He would be dumb if he thought everyone around it would be like him. He made the decisions knowing they were dangerous, but he did what he felt it was right. And like I said, Robb with 14 years old accomplished more things than many Westeros military commanders. Hell, to me Robb is a much better military leader than Stannis. Combined with another great military leader (Brynden Blackfish), he was almost unbeatable on the battlefield. If at least Edmure wasn't so stupid, Robb could have even captured Tywin. Which doesn't means he doesn't have his flaws, of course. After all, he is just a boy, and of course marrying Jeyne Westerling was a mistake. But even so, the betrayal against him was already happening after Stannis' epic fail at Blackwater
|
|
anarchy65
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 891 Likes: 1,080
inherit
8825
0
1,080
anarchy65
891
Jun 25, 2017 23:54:40 GMT
June 2017
anarchy65
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by anarchy65 on Jan 20, 2019 15:10:33 GMT
I include Jon in the House of Targaryen. And he would be the best choice from what you stated already. Jon and Dany could be another Jaehaerys I and Alysanne in bringing the kingdoms back together and make positive changes for the betterment of all. Those two had to clean up the mess that Maegor the Cruel, another mad king, had done to the realms. Jon and Dany will have to do the same thing with the mess that Cersi and those before her, have left. It is doubtful that Dany will take the throne for herself, the people of Westeros have a history of only a male heir to lead the realm. The civil war of the Dance of Dragons bears in mind. I should add, that despite my criticism of Dany for her mismanagement of Meereen and her occasional arrogant sense of entitlement regarding her right to rule, she definitely won major points back with me for at least listening to her advisors and being willing to entertain the possibility the Night King existed.
Jon's lack of desire for power may make him the best choice for leader, but it does mean he might not be particularly interested in ruling. Whereas Dany clearly enjoys ruling (even if I don't think she always makes the best decisions), so she'd serve far better in that capacity if they two joined forces and ruled together.
Both definitely would be able to shore up each others weaknesses and character defects, as well as bring different approaches to the table. Dany wins loyalty through sheer force of will and personality, whereas Jon wins over people by his humbleness, earnestness and willingness to stand alongside them in the thick of danger. Dany is ambitious, whereas Jon is practical. Dany is a reformer, whereas Jon respects tradition. As a partnership, they would counterbalance each other rather well.
Her sense of entitlement and arrogance still pisses me off enough to not want her as a ruler. She couldn't rule one city, why should she rule seven kingdoms? Her rant all the time that she is a Targaryen and deserves the throne and blah blah blah is really annoying. YOUR FATHER WAS AN ASSHOLE, YOU SEEM TO BE TOO, AND YOUR FAMILY DESERVED EVERYTHING THEY GOT, DEAL WITH IT, KID. Jon, well, he may have the qualities of a leader, but seriously, he bent the knee to Daenerys because he fell in love with her and not giving a damn to all the people he left in Winterfell. Just sent a letter "hey, by the way, I bent the knee to a girl I just met". I really hope that doesn't happen in the books (this story of Jon being an actual Targaryen was so forced and stupid too)
|
|
inherit
1130
0
Apr 16, 2024 15:03:09 GMT
431
wickedcool
659
Aug 22, 2016 13:08:32 GMT
August 2016
wickedcool
|
Post by wickedcool on Jan 20, 2019 16:26:14 GMT
It was hinted that Jon was special from book 1
The true military leader was the Lannister father. Robb won a small battle with the element of surprise
Danny has held into more power than any other character in the book series
Bed had honor. Honor won him nothing. He was a fool. He did nothing to give him praise
The book series clearly shows the most powerful characters are the women
|
|
anarchy65
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 891 Likes: 1,080
inherit
8825
0
1,080
anarchy65
891
Jun 25, 2017 23:54:40 GMT
June 2017
anarchy65
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by anarchy65 on Jan 20, 2019 17:52:56 GMT
It was hinted that Jon was special from book 1 The true military leader was the Lannister father. Robb won a small battle with the element of surprise Danny has held into more power than any other character in the book series Bed had honor. Honor won him nothing. He was a fool. He did nothing to give him praise The book series clearly shows the most powerful characters are the women It was hinted he was the son of Rhaegar, but not that Rhaegar actually got divorced and married Lyanna, that doesn't make any sense. In the books, even being son of Rhaegar, Jon is still a bastard. Yes, Tywin was a good military leader, and even so, Robb fooled him, which showed how good he was. Tywin was in deep trouble in the beginning of book 2, and would have been captured if it wasn't for Edmure's and Stannis' stupidity. Dany "held" power because she got magic dragons from the plot. That's the "power" she holds. Without the dragons, she is NOTHING. Unfortunately, not every character gets magic dragons from the plot. If Robb had 3 dragons, he would have already conquered all Westeros. And even with the dragons, she only did stupid things. Blah blah blah, again this stupid idiocy of saying you shouldn't have honor. If you really think this Game of Thrones is about showing that having honor and being honest is bad, you are totally wrong. Ned was an accomplished general and diplomat and he won every battle he participated. He didn't want to be Hand because he knew it wasn't his place. And seriously, get some english classes, because I can barely understand what you are saying.
|
|
inherit
1130
0
Apr 16, 2024 15:03:09 GMT
431
wickedcool
659
Aug 22, 2016 13:08:32 GMT
August 2016
wickedcool
|
Post by wickedcool on Jan 20, 2019 22:55:58 GMT
Why make it personal
Really bb most likely would have died without the dragons but we are dealing with book events
Was ned a great general? It was Roberts rebellion Dany started with 3 tiny dragons the size of house cats. They didn’t win her any early battles. She used guile to win those
Back to honor-the honorable ones are all dead (except Sam.). Ned followed a drunk womanizer . He got all his troops killed, his daughter married to a psychopath and left his other daughter in the hands on f rapists/thieves in the nights watch These girls then just outsmarted major villains
|
|
anarchy65
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 891 Likes: 1,080
inherit
8825
0
1,080
anarchy65
891
Jun 25, 2017 23:54:40 GMT
June 2017
anarchy65
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by anarchy65 on Jan 20, 2019 23:41:53 GMT
Why make it personal Really bb most likely would have died without the dragons but we are dealing with book events Was ned a great general? It was Roberts rebellion Dany started with 3 tiny dragons the size of house cats. They didn’t win her any early battles. She used guile to win those Back to honor-the honorable ones are all dead (except Sam.). Ned followed a drunk womanizer . He got all his troops killed, his daughter married to a psychopath and left his other daughter in the hands on f rapists/thieves in the nights watch These girls then just outsmarted major villains I am not making it personal, it's just so I can really understand what you are saying. Look at this, "but we are dealing with book events", what do you even mean by that? It doesn't make any sense. Other "Was ned a great general? It was Roberts rebellion", yeah, so? What do you mean by that? She used the dragons even if they weren't capable of killing yet. She could only enter Qarth because of them, and she used Drogon to get a slave army (it seems slavery wasn't bad when her rapist husband was slaving and slaughtering people, but now that she can't pay for a slave army, slavery is bad). "The honorable ones are all dead", what a stupid thing to say. People die, being honorable or not. Tywin was not-honorable and smart and he died taking a shit being shot by his own son. One if his son became a handless useless knight, his daughter a psycho tyrant and the other a patricide. Does that make him stupid? There are smart people alive, there are smart people dead, there are honorable people alive and there are honorable people dead, that just doesn't mean anything.
|
|
inherit
1130
0
Apr 16, 2024 15:03:09 GMT
431
wickedcool
659
Aug 22, 2016 13:08:32 GMT
August 2016
wickedcool
|
Post by wickedcool on Jan 21, 2019 1:06:28 GMT
Ned has 0 accomplishments in the series.
Tywin-he doesn’t have any honor. He had the king killed
At this point the established and powerful people died. What left are the rogues and people cunning enough to survive. I include dany your n this
I love the starks as much as the next person but it wasn’t until recently that they showed they were capable of winning
Regards to dany and her dragons. Robb win without a dire wolf, bran survive without magic powers, Jon with basically a magic sword and resurrection . So many people are willing to die for dany. That’s leadership
|
|
inherit
Champion of Kirkwall
1212
0
8,023
Sifr
3,737
Aug 25, 2016 20:05:11 GMT
August 2016
sifr
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
|
Post by Sifr on Jan 21, 2019 1:49:49 GMT
Ned has 0 accomplishments in the series. Ned was responsible for sending the Brotherhood without Banners after the Mountain.
As a result of this, Beric Dondarrion ended up dying and getting rezzed several times by Thoros. In the show, Melisandre is amazed to learn about Beric and later accomplishes the same feat by resurrecting Jon after his death. Beric and Thoros also end up forming part of the group that goes beyond the wall to capture the Wight, where Thoros dies.
In the books meanwhile, Beric dies sacrificing his own lifeforce in order to resurrect Catelyn Stark, leading to the creation of Lady Stoneheart. In retrospect, that might not have been the best move, given that she's a vengeance fueled zombie of doom, but still...
All of those events wouldn't have necessarily happened, if Ned hadn't sent Beric's group off in Book/Season 1.
Also in the show, Brienne's sword Oathkeeper was made partially from Ice, the Stark greatsword that Tywin had melted down and reforged. Jaime even acknowledges this when he gave the sword to Brienne, that it seemed fitting that Brienne should try to use Ned's sword to find/protect his daughters from harm, something Jaime had also pledged to Catelyn.
While these aren't Ned's accomplishments, he did indirectly influence many events after his death.
|
|
anarchy65
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 891 Likes: 1,080
inherit
8825
0
1,080
anarchy65
891
Jun 25, 2017 23:54:40 GMT
June 2017
anarchy65
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by anarchy65 on Jan 21, 2019 3:25:54 GMT
What this guy says doesn't make any sense, it seems he is just throwing words with no meaning around, won't waste my breath anymore.
|
|
GoldenGail3
N1
Off to see the Wizard in the Emerald City
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, SWTOR
Prime Posts: Fuck knows
Prime Likes: My usual less..
Posts: 39 Likes: 23
inherit
7953
0
Jul 23, 2020 16:53:49 GMT
23
GoldenGail3
Off to see the Wizard in the Emerald City
39
Apr 23, 2017 12:44:00 GMT
April 2017
goldengail3
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, SWTOR
Fuck knows
My usual less..
|
Post by GoldenGail3 on Jan 21, 2019 5:05:00 GMT
Ned has 0 accomplishments in the series. Tywin-he doesn’t have any honor. He had the king killed At this point the established and powerful people died. What left are the rogues and people cunning enough to survive. I include dany your n this I love the starks as much as the next person but it wasn’t until recently that they showed they were capable of winning Regards to dany and her dragons. Robb win without a dire wolf, bran survive without magic powers, Jon with basically a magic sword and resurrection . So many people are willing to die for dany. That’s leadership
|
|
dmc1001
N7
Biotic Booty
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: ferroboy
Prime Posts: 77
Posts: 9,941 Likes: 17,668
inherit
Biotic Booty
1031
0
Apr 19, 2024 16:40:05 GMT
17,668
dmc1001
9,941
August 2016
dmc1001
Top
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
ferroboy
77
|
Post by dmc1001 on Jan 21, 2019 21:20:40 GMT
And I am glad Robb didn't support Stannis. Stannis would have been one of the worst kings Westeros has ever seen. Stannis has 0 diplomacy, he is manipulated and controlled by Melisandre, he disrespects the religion of the country he wants to rule and puts a new religion in place, he doesn't know how to negotiate (nor cares about it), he has a disgusting sense of justice, he has no charisma, nobody likes him, he's a total tyrant prick. Under Stannis, half of the population would be dead after being sacrificed to the "One True God".
|
|
dmc1001
N7
Biotic Booty
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: ferroboy
Prime Posts: 77
Posts: 9,941 Likes: 17,668
inherit
Biotic Booty
1031
0
Apr 19, 2024 16:40:05 GMT
17,668
dmc1001
9,941
August 2016
dmc1001
Top
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
ferroboy
77
|
Post by dmc1001 on Jan 21, 2019 21:22:44 GMT
I was in the Stannis camp until he did that heinous crime against his daughter. That was unforgivable. I hope Melisandre meets her end in the flames she covets. Robb was a stupid youth who didn't know how to play the game of politics. Love is irrelevant when it comes to politics and alliances. He embarrassed the Frey's and made them lose face when he lied and backed out of the promise he made to them. The Freys did what they had to do and the other banner men sided with the Freys like the Boltons. After reading up on the history of GoT, the Boltons serve the Starks grudgingly. They have a history of warring with each other and they didn't hesitate to strike at the Starks when they could. House Targaryen needs to sit on the throne again with Tyrion as the Hand. As long as Daenerys has her brother alongside her.
|
|
inherit
1130
0
Apr 16, 2024 15:03:09 GMT
431
wickedcool
659
Aug 22, 2016 13:08:32 GMT
August 2016
wickedcool
|
Post by wickedcool on Jan 22, 2019 5:39:58 GMT
A point was made that dany is nothing without her dragons. The same could be said for bran, Robb etc.
There has been no proof that rob was a great leader. He won one battle.
Ned died with honor-but he died accomplishing nothing. Gregor was a Lannister scapegoat or at best a distraction.
Tyrion killing his father sets more of the plot into motion than anything the starks did. The Lannister father kept the entire south together. When he died it had a gigantic impact
Ned and Robb were minor characters in this book series. Ned truly shined in events prior to this series
|
|