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Post by Catilina on Apr 4, 2017 20:28:36 GMT
Okay, now my biggest and probably unpopular confession: I still love Grey Wardens even after the events in Dragon Age Inquisition and I really HATE what they did to them in DA:I. I loved playing as a Grey Warden in DA:O and they were shown as great heroes, with a selfless devotion. I loved Duncan and was truly sad when he died. They just had to ruin everything in DA:I. I hated how some companions and Hawke (WTF) were like "Are Grey Wardens really necessary? We don't really need them to stop the Blight, do we?" I mean, really? It's just plain stupid IMO. Unless someone finds another way to stop the Blights, a Grey Warden is needed Yes, they did made a huge mistake, I don't deny it. They did it because they are the only known solution for a Blight at the moment and people don't know that a Grey Warden is sacrificed to end a Blight. (well, unless that person has a sneaky witch-thief associate ) I'm sorry I know I ranted I finished Here Lies the Abyss last night with Cassandra, Dorian, Solas and Dorian was the only logical person in my party. (He stated that they were needed in case of another Blight) - In this playthrough, I kicked Sera out of the Inquisition and I'm not sorry I am glad that I have a choice but now some funny party banters with Blackwall and Solas are missing - I managed to soften Leliana for the first time in DA:I and I don't know how I feel about it. She seems to start thinking that she was used by Justinia. I will make her the Divine anyway, don't want Cassandra or, god forbid, Vivienne. - I wish that Fiona didn't have to be killed in the Templar-sided world states. I really hoped that one day Alistair would learn the truth about his mother. That's all for now. Maybe later when I finish my very first Templar-sided (albeit with conscripted Templars) playthrough. I also hate, that MY Hawke(s) said that the Grey Wardens are unnecessary... My Hawke(s) maybe hot-headed, jerk, but not idiot! Have friends among Grey Wardens (I do not know where he got them, but still...), one of my Hawke have sibling among the Wardens, or lover. Anders may hate Deep Roads, but never said, that the wardens are unnecessary. Fortunately, at the end of Fade quest Hawke say, that the Wardens needs rebuild. So: Hawke isn't idiot!
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Post by Almila_Lavellan on Apr 4, 2017 20:40:39 GMT
Okay, now my biggest and probably unpopular confession: I still love Grey Wardens even after the events in Dragon Age Inquisition and I really HATE what they did to them in DA:I. I loved playing as a Grey Warden in DA:O and they were shown as great heroes, with a selfless devotion. I loved Duncan and was truly sad when he died. They just had to ruin everything in DA:I. I hated how some companions and Hawke (WTF) were like "Are Grey Wardens really necessary? We don't really need them to stop the Blight, do we?" I mean, really? It's just plain stupid IMO. Unless someone finds another way to stop the Blights, a Grey Warden is needed Yes, they did made a huge mistake, I don't deny it. They did it because they are the only known solution for a Blight at the moment and people don't know that a Grey Warden is sacrificed to end a Blight. (well, unless that person has a sneaky witch-thief associate ) I'm sorry I know I ranted I finished Here Lies the Abyss last night with Cassandra, Dorian, Solas and Dorian was the only logical person in my party. (He stated that they were needed in case of another Blight) - In this playthrough, I kicked Sera out of the Inquisition and I'm not sorry I am glad that I have a choice but now some funny party banters with Blackwall and Solas are missing - I managed to soften Leliana for the first time in DA:I and I don't know how I feel about it. She seems to start thinking that she was used by Justinia. I will make her the Divine anyway, don't want Cassandra or, god forbid, Vivienne. - I wish that Fiona didn't have to be killed in the Templar-sided world states. I really hoped that one day Alistair would learn the truth about his mother. That's all for now. Maybe later when I finish my very first Templar-sided (albeit with conscripted Templars) playthrough. I also hate, that MY Hawke(s) said that the Grey Wardens are unnecessary... My Hawke(s) maybe hot-headed, jerk, but not idiot! Have friends among Grey Wardens (I do not know where he got it, but still...), one of my Hawke have sibling among the Wardens, or lover. Anders may hate Deep Roads, but never said, that the wardens are unnecessary. Fortunately, at the end of Fade quest Hawke say, that the Wardens needs rebuilt. So: Hawke isn't idiot! My Hawkes would never say, "Grey Wardens are unnecessary." in the first place if I had a choice. I just hate how I don't have more influence over Hawke's opinions. Also, my Hawke is always with Anders and Carver is always GW so it's very illogical for her to be against GWs. That's why I think DA Keep is inadequate. We should have more options.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 4, 2017 20:44:52 GMT
I also hate, that MY Hawke(s) said that the Grey Wardens are unnecessary... My Hawke(s) maybe hot-headed, jerk, but not idiot! Have friends among Grey Wardens (I do not know where he got it, but still...), one of my Hawke have sibling among the Wardens, or lover. Anders may hate Deep Roads, but never said, that the wardens are unnecessary. Fortunately, at the end of Fade quest Hawke say, that the Wardens needs rebuilt. So: Hawke isn't idiot. My Hawkes would never say, "Grey Wardens are unnecessary." in the first place if I had a choice. I just hate how I don't have more influence over Hawke's opinions. Also, my Hawke is always with Anders and Carver is always GW so it's very illogical for her to be against GWs. That's why I think DA Keep is inadequate. We should have more options. I admit I usually left Carver at home, and make him Templar for more fun. Poor boy, the Templar's life not exactly what he expected... but I plan a Warden-Carver run...
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Post by Almila_Lavellan on Apr 4, 2017 20:56:03 GMT
My Hawkes would never say, "Grey Wardens are unnecessary." in the first place if I had a choice. I just hate how I don't have more influence over Hawke's opinions. Also, my Hawke is always with Anders and Carver is always GW so it's very illogical for her to be against GWs. That's why I think DA Keep is inadequate. We should have more options. I admit I usually left Carver at home, and make him Templar for more fun. Poor boy, the Templar's life not exactly what he expected... but I plan a Warden-Carver run... Nah, I can't leave my baby brother in bad Templars' hands No one should stand Meredith and her paranoia. Also, I can't leave him behind while going to the Deep Roads because it gives rivalry points and I wanna be friends with him, y'know. I love my baby brother. He is more tolerable than Bethany after becoming a Grey Warden and that's saying something.
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Post by Wildfire on Apr 4, 2017 20:58:47 GMT
Two confessions: I literally dream about Hawke so often that it's kind of weird At times, I also have problems with my girlfriend because I speak like a humorous Hawke when I should be serious
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Post by Catilina on Apr 4, 2017 21:19:00 GMT
I admit I usually left Carver at home, and make him Templar for more fun. Poor boy, the Templar's life not exactly what he expected... but I plan a Warden-Carver run... Nah, I can't leave my baby brother in bad Templars' hands No one should stand Meredith and her paranoia. Also, I can't leave him behing while going to the Deep Roads because it gives rivalry points and I wanna be friends with him, y'know. I love my baby brother. He is more tolerable than Bethany after becoming a Grey Warden and that's saying something. Oh, I like him as rival! Funny, when so sulky and offensive... Templar Carver excellent beside Anders! (Legacy, in romance): "Be grateful. For some reason my brother cares for you. Be thankful, understood?"My favorite little bastard...! Bu I like Bethany as Circle Mage. It was a hard decision to left her at home, but worth it, she is great at the end. I have Warden Bethany too, but she's too sad and disappointed. She's not fun I like her. Not that fun, as Carver, but she is the one, who really understand Anders and Justice's position.
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Post by Almila_Lavellan on Apr 4, 2017 21:47:30 GMT
Nah, I can't leave my baby brother in bad Templars' hands No one should stand Meredith and her paranoia. Also, I can't leave him behing while going to the Deep Roads because it gives rivalry points and I wanna be friends with him, y'know. I love my baby brother. He is more tolerable than Bethany after becoming a Grey Warden and that's saying something. Oh, I like him as rival! Funny, when so sulky and offensive... Templar Carver excellent beside Anders! (Legacy, in romance): "Be grateful. For some reason my brother cares for you. Be thankful, understood?"My favorite little bastard...! Bu I like Bethany as Circle Mage. It was a hard decision to left her at home, but worth it, she is great at the end. I have Warden Bethany too, but she's too sad and disappointed. She's not fun I like her. Not that fun, as Carver, but she is the one, who really understand Anders and Justice's position. Well, Carver is always fun to have around as a rival or friend. And for Bethany, meh. When I first played DA 2 my Hawke was rogue and so I was with Bethany whole game. At first, I liked how she was friendly towards Hawke unlike Carver who managed to get on my nerves in his very, very short lifetime. I made a mistake by taking her to the Deep Roads and she didn't shut up about how she was a half-dead now thanks to me. I saved your life, Bethany, you know? Then, I played as a mage and decided Carver wasn't really that much annoying. At least he was content with being a Grey Warden. (I never leave them behind to be honest) Now I realized that Bethany may be one of the reasons why I don't play as a rogue or warrior in DA 2.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 4, 2017 22:03:21 GMT
Oh, I like him as rival! Funny, when so sulky and offensive... Templar Carver excellent beside Anders! (Legacy, in romance): "Be grateful. For some reason my brother cares for you. Be thankful, understood?" My favorite little bastard...! Bu I like Bethany as Circle Mage. It was a hard decision to left her at home, but worth it, she is great at the end. I have Warden Bethany too, but she's too sad and disappointed. She's not fun I like her. Not that fun, as Carver, but she is the one, who really understand Anders and Justice's position. Well, Carver is always fun to have around as a rival or friend. And for Bethany, meh. When I first played DA 2 my Hawke was rogue and so I was with Bethany whole game. At first, I liked how she was friendly towards Hawke unlike Carver who managed to get on my nerves in his very, very short lifetime. I made a mistake by taking her to the Deep Roads and she didn't shut up about how she was a half-dead now thanks to me. I saved your life, Bethany, you know? Then, I played as a mage and decided Carver wasn't really that much annoying. At least he was content with being a Grey Warden. (I never leave them behind to be honest) Now I realized that Bethany may be one of the reasons why I don't play as a rogue or warrior in DA 2. She was very cute, when Anders was called by Corypheus on the Deep Roads. And very determined at the end in mage side. I never expected before, but she sounds as a revolutionary. I was surprised, and proud to my little sister, who always felt herself guilty and burden on her family, this was tiresome, but this end was satisfied... I felt that worth it what Anders (and my Hawke) did. (People mostly say, that Bethany lokes the Circle, and don't likes the rebellion, but this isn't true.)
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Post by Almila_Lavellan on Apr 4, 2017 22:20:24 GMT
^ I never played Legacy but I watched some videos before. She was compassionate to Anders in Legacy but as I said I never saw her being compassionate to him. It seemed that she was a little bit cynical about Anders' opinions in the base game. I don't think she loves the circle but she thinks she had no other choice but to go to it if you left her behind.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 4, 2017 22:47:29 GMT
^ I never played Legacy but I watched some videos before. She was compassionate to Anders in Legacy but as I said I never saw her being compassionate to him. It seemed that she was a little bit cynical about Anders' opinions in the base game. I don't think she loves the circle but she thinks she had no other choice but to go to it if you left her behind. I think she reported herself to Templars. Didn't want to be burden anymore, or run away anymore. In the base game she was nice with him. When he spoke about Justice first, she comforted him. And she said, he reminds her father. Never was cynical with him. A bit admires him, because he escaped. Maybe this banter sounds cynical, because she said, that always other people kept her free, not herself... In Legacy, she once was cynical, but this was Anders' fault. You know, Anders isn't nice always. Bethany is good, differently than Carver, but still. Try to play the Legacy, this is very good dlc!
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Post by Almila_Lavellan on Apr 4, 2017 23:16:28 GMT
^ I never played Legacy but I watched some videos before. She was compassionate to Anders in Legacy but as I said I never saw her being compassionate to him. It seemed that she was a little bit cynical about Anders' opinions in the base game. I don't think she loves the circle but she thinks she had no other choice but to go to it if you left her behind. I think she reported herself to Templars. Didn't want to be burden anymore, or run away anymore. In the base game she was nice with him. When he spoke about Justice first, she comforted him. And she said, he reminds her father. Never was cynical with him. A bit admires him, because he escaped. Maybe this banter sounds cynical, because she said, that always other people kept her free, not herself... In Legacy, she once was cynical, but this was Anders' fault. You know, Anders isn't nice always. Bethany is good, differently than Carver, but still. Try to play the Legacy, this is very good dlc! Yes, I remember that she was very good to Anders in general. What I mean is that she doesn't hate circle or chantry. Anders is an Andrastian but he doesn't really love chantry because it's corrupt. There's a banter between Anders and Bethany in base game in which they talk about tranquility. Anders says "They are forcing our hands. There's no way to change things peacefully." and Bethany replies, "There must be something." She believes that changing things peacefully is still possible while Anders doesn't think so. She says that there are still good people in the circle and the chantry and there should be a way to reason with them. She doesn't want an open confrontation in which people would get hurt. That's the main difference between them. Also, yes, Legacy looks good but I really don't like that BioWare points system.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 4, 2017 23:29:44 GMT
I think she reported herself to Templars. Didn't want to be burden anymore, or run away anymore. In the base game she was nice with him. When he spoke about Justice first, she comforted him. And she said, he reminds her father. Never was cynical with him. A bit admires him, because he escaped. Maybe this banter sounds cynical, because she said, that always other people kept her free, not herself... In Legacy, she once was cynical, but this was Anders' fault. You know, Anders isn't nice always. Bethany is good, differently than Carver, but still. Try to play the Legacy, this is very good dlc! Yes, I remember that she was very good to Anders in general. What I mean is that she doesn't hate circle or chantry. Anders is an Andrastian but he doesn't really love chantry because it's corrupt. There's a banter between Anders and Bethany in base game in which they talk about tranquility. Anders says "They are forcing our hands. There's no way to change things peacefully." and Bethany replies, "There must be something." She believes that changing things peacefully is still possible while Anders doesn't think so. She says that there are still good people in the circle and the chantry and there should be a way to reason with them. She doesn't want an open confrontation in which people would get hurt. That's the main difference between them. Also, yes, Legacy looks good but I really don't like that BioWare points system. Bioware point system is sux... but working. This banter about the Tranquility. And you're right, Anders is Andrastian, but sees the Chantry's corruption. Bethany also Andrastian, and she never lived in the Circle, so she believes better in Chantry's benevolence and in the peaceful solution. At the end, Bethany already accepts the open confrontation, and not really reluctantly. And accepts, that her ability is a gift, and wouldn't the Maker's will that they are closed in the Towers. I like that. A strong character development.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 12:27:18 GMT
I am still grieving. That Trespasser ending really put me off not just the DA franchise, but off gaming. Not an inkling of desire to fire up the computer yesterday. I am reading the forums, trying to recapture the whole youthful enthusiasm for digital adventuring, but then my mind just scrolls back to Trespasser' s endings. I am trying to handle it, and tell myself that Ryder is the great healing force. I am not uninterested in the DA4 locations and potential return of Dorian as an advisor, and I know better than to foreswear the franchise, and I am really embarrassed about ranting, but I have forgotten how to cope with being disappointed with Bio. I had been so spoiled after I returned to gaming. That's my first major hiccup. Forgive me my negativity.
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Post by phoray on Apr 5, 2017 15:05:20 GMT
@domi I sorry. I've never played a Qunari to the end (just have one planned) nor have I ever had Bull turn on me. First PT ending: Mage Human. Angry disband to retire to the country with Cullen with the dog. Divine Leliana could keep up the machinations and the politicking without her. 2nd PT Ending: Rogue Human. Happy honor guard to best friend, Divine Cassandra. She, obsessed with second chances, went to visit prisons together with Blackwall. Additionally, being still young and childish at heart, fought against Noble Human Tyranny with her other best friend, Sera, as a Red Jennny. 3rd PT Ending: Mage Elf. Diplomatic disband- Divine Leliana could handle what was to come, without his interference, but he was returning to his clan. His love, Cassandra, worked hard for her people and he worked hard for his. He didn't feel like he needed to see her every day to know they loved each other. I have plans for a warrior human for Dorian, two dwarves, two more elves, and one qunari. As well as my human jerk run where I test out if you really can love em and leave em four different LIs in one play through. I guess my point is that I didn't have the info to warn you. And all my endings have been happy endings. They can be had...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 15:15:59 GMT
yeah, my ending is... maimed and alone, the former uber-powerful Knight Enchanter, hides away with Sera (of all people). He uses a Captain Hook's like attachment to do pitiful damage as he is now unable to wield neither the spirit sword, nor the staff, both two handed weapons. His lover, formerly a fellow mage, with whom we used to co-wield powerful magics, leads a dangerous life of intrigue and novel policies with his new like-minded friends. He categorically forbade the Inquisitor to follow him. So, once in a while, the former Inquisitor swallows what's left of his pride, slouches and sneaks into the city where he'd be killed on sight because of his race to spend a night with Dorian. The Inquisitor is still involved in an underground plot against Solas because Cassandra and Leliana want him still (another pity-f***k, no doubt). But he himself has to say: we need a new guy. Vivienne over-wrote his express wishes to keep the mages free, and now magic users form the competing blocks, Circles and Whatever Else. Without his participation. Since he is no longer a mage due to his disability.
No going out in the blaze of glory, nor the quiet happily ever after, no happy anything. Unless you count Sera's minor pranks vs nobles as a happy ending for a formerly great man.
I will never be able to replay it, because knowing how it ends, my choice will be to ask Cassandra to execute my protagonist, by separating his/her head from the body with the sword. A good, honest end. Solas will manage to wrestle the orb from Corypheus without all that pointless meddling. It's a story about the place and time after all, not the protagonist.
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Post by Wildfire on Apr 5, 2017 18:11:42 GMT
Domi: Yeah, that kind of an ending really sucks pretty hard. Although, in some morbid way I actually appreciate that it's possible to end up like that. I wouldn't want to play a story like that myself, but I still appreciate the possiblity. Tragedies are often the most memorable stories.
I must say that I really don't like the Qunari. I feel that using them as the main antagonist in so many cases is too cheap - it's like pushing the much-used order vs. freedom conflict to its extreme, which puts me off slightly. Even with Iron Bull being the exception, the Qunari are portrayed too much as mindless cogwheels of the Qun system; the latter actually reminds me of some extreme interpretation of Confucian political philosophy where everyone has a place and a role to play and so forth. Tallis is the only one who gives some deeper perspective to the Qun, but even then I could not justify why Hawke was forced to help her in the DLC. The way the Qun works, there can be no "innocents", in my opinion. And that is what makes the Qun rather bland. Sure, they are no devils risen from the hells, but they might as well be, the way they are portrayed.
About DAI... I don't know, the more time passes since I finished Trespasser, the more my opinion about it goes down. It simply can't stand on its own feet. If we remove Hawke and all the continuity factors, the game itself is pretty mediocre. The main plot is bad, the combat is terrible on PS4, the open world sucks and the companion cast is weak. Seeing Hawke again gave me the feels of my life, but apart from that the game was awfully low on real highs. The romances were sweet and the end of Trespasser was impressive, but on the whole DAI struggles in too many aspects. I blame it all on the Inquisitor. Hawke (and to a lesser extent, also Ryder!!) just had that unbelievable joy-to-play factor; even when I was tired of doing meaningless stuff Hawke could pull off a great one-liner and save everything. Maybe BW actually realised their mistake after DAI and consequently decided to make Ryder less of a blank slate character.
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Post by fylimar on Apr 5, 2017 18:41:14 GMT
Oh, I don't know, I like DAI. I know it can feel pretty sad, if a story or character doesn't develope like we thought it would, but I never had the feeling with DAI. My elven rogue basically rode into the sunset with Blackwall and Iron Bull never betrayed me. I even did get Sera to stay despite my inqui being really elfy. But I can rely to @domi , had that feeling in Vampire Bloodlines, when my beloved Malkavian sided with the Kuei Jin - that was a very ugly end (put that in spoiler, since tehre are probably people out there, who haven't played VTMB) Anyway - a confession: - I'm not a huge Qunari fan, but I love Sten and Iron Bull and some of the converters (I mentioned else where, that I like the stories of the converters a lot - Tallis for example or IBs elven friend). - The Arishok is just a ravaging maniac who sat 3 years on his backside, instead of doing his job and then one day decided to get cuckoo. I still somehwat like the character, but that is more cudos to the voice actor than really love for the character. I never sided with Sister Petrice though, because I find her even worse. - I don't like killing dragons and I normally only kill those, I have to do for storyreasons and the one in the HInterlands, because it triggers IBs scene and she is really annoyung, when you go to that part of the hInterlands for gathering or story purpose
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Post by phoray on Apr 5, 2017 18:56:05 GMT
I have probably confessed this before. But the more people hate on DA2, the more I love it. I feel defensive about DAI (I am cognizant of it's flaws, but feel people throw out the baby with the dishwater). And the more people say Origins was perfect, the more the gleam off of it comes off for me. Like I should pick it apart more to make up for all the love. I must like the drama. I DID romance Anders and Blackwall a second time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 19:07:42 GMT
I think I need to put it in my signature: "I hate Trespasser Ending, but not because the IB betrayed me." or something. Heh. :)
I do not like Qunari as a faith, but I LOVE Kothis. Giant races are hard to do well, and they IMO did very, very, very well. I really LOVE the tall, muscular avatars, for both genders, and I really dislike the loli/shotas. Kothis >>> half-orcs and Gon, the only two other "tall" races I played.
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Post by fylimar on Apr 5, 2017 19:16:08 GMT
I think I need to put it in my signature: "I hate Trespasser Ending, but not because the IB betrayed me." or something. Heh. I do not like Qunari as a faith, but I LOVE Kothis. Giant races are hard to do well, and they IMO did very, very, very well. I really LOVE the tall, muscular avatars, for both genders, and I really dislike the loli/shotas. Kothis >>> half-orcs and Gon, the only two other "tall" races I played. They are certainly well done - and me not liking the Qunari is in a good way. I like to have them as antagonists, because that is a job, they do well. I probably wont play one, although technically, your DAI character is not a Qunary, only a Kossit. I know, that you are not only hating teh Trespasser ending because of IB, I was just ticking up my positive things - I managed to keep all companions on the good side (relatively) and I think the end for the elf might be a bit less frustrating than for a Qunari from what you write (I never saw the Qunari ending), even when said elf romanced Solas
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Post by phoray on Apr 5, 2017 19:20:44 GMT
I think I need to put it in my signature: "I hate Trespasser Ending, but not because the IB betrayed me." or something. Heh. I do not like Qunari as a faith, but I LOVE Kothis. Giant races are hard to do well, and they IMO did very, very, very well. I really LOVE the tall, muscular avatars, for both genders, and I really dislike the loli/shotas. Kothis >>> half-orcs and Gon, the only two other "tall" races I played. KossithI now understand that it is not about IB. I can make leeway in the story for why he mattered more than you think he should. But I can also see your point that the Big Face Hero should have had more of an effect to offset his betrayal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 13:06:50 GMT
First ever Dragon Age confession.
Been a Mass Effect fan since '07. Favourite series of games ever. Never played the Dragon Age games till two weeks ago, and have now finished two playthroughs of Origins (female human noble x Alistair and male human noble x Zevran) and one of Awakening (my female Warden).
Loved Origins. It has its flaws though. Not a big fan of the actual combat, but the story and world kept me enthralled. Sadly I only really came to love half of the companions, all of them the love interests, Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana, and Zevran. They all seemed like some of BioWare's greatest characters I've come across, I loved them all, and enjoyed every minute in their company. I couldn't have cared less about Wynne or Shale. And I outright hated Oghren and Sten.
The whole endgame Landsmeet and Battle of Denerim act was the highlight for me. Absolute brilliance from the moment we arrive at the Arl of Redcliffe's estate, right through to the epilogue.
I am really excited for Dragon Age 2. Oddly, all the stuff people have been warning me about aren't problems for me. I don't mind its in Kirkwall or that the combat is different. I don't mind Hawke, since default male Hawke looks and sounds hot as hell and I am gunna romance the pants of Anders and Fenris (maybe Isabela as well cause she's gorgeous).
Also... Leliana singing was the most awkward and cringed moment in the whole game. Sorry, not sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 13:20:43 GMT
Hey, glad someone else is playing it for the first time later than I did.
I was just thinking that DA4 might bethe first game in the franchise that will make Templars likable, because it's mages who rule in Tevinter, and Templars are the oppressed and naive good-doer faction. But, then again, they failed for 3 games in a row, and both their likable Templars left the Order...
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Post by Almila_Lavellan on Apr 6, 2017 14:27:49 GMT
Hey, glad someone else is playing it for the first time later than I did. I was just thinking that DA4 might bethe first game in the franchise that will make Templars likable, because it's mages who rule in Tevinter, and Templars are the oppressed and naive good-doer faction. But, then again, they failed for 3 games in a row, and both their likable Templars left the Order... Hell no, please! I thought DA 2 have had enough of bullshit excuses like, "Look, templars were right all along! Every mage in this city is either abomination or blood mage!" Like every damn mage. Except if they are from Hawke family, then they are perfectly okay. I don't know if that's obvious, but I really hate the chantry and templars. Though I pity templars because the chantry used them for their own ends, making them addicted to lyrium to control. And I really believe that the chantry is a useless organization full of hypocrites. If I had a chance, I would have disbanded the chantry instead of choosing a divine for it. I just hope that they won't do the same thing they did in DA 2. I really hope that Dorian will make a difference in Tevinter. (I have big crush on him TBH )
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 14:35:47 GMT
Well, it feels unfair that Templars are always the bad guys, and the mages are always likable, no matter what they do because they have those strong characters champion their case (thank goodness for Vivienne, she sort of made the first unlikable mage right close to the inquisitor, and even she had a story line that made you feel for her). Maybe in tevinter, with Dorian's help we can at least make things right. I don't like the Chantry either, but I think in Tevinter it is not really influential. Now that the Elven gods has been revealed as just mages, I am hoping that Tevinter Magisters ar correct, and Andraste was just a mage as well, and Chantry has no cause to exist. Templars actually for once can be a Knightly order aligning (like the Templars in Inquisition) with the player's faction (which, I presume will be a pro-common good one, lol). Templars or Mages in Inquisition really did not make any difference as far as I could see after Haven, but hey fought for me and it sucked that both Alistair and Cullen left the order instead of reforming it and in Cullen's case taking charge of the what was left of the Inquisition forces. If every other organization could fracture, so could the knightly order. But, i guess, they set themselves up from game one onward to unlikable templars, so...
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