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Post by phoray on Apr 6, 2017 14:37:17 GMT
Hey, glad someone else is playing it for the first time later than I did. I was just thinking that DA4 might bethe first game in the franchise that will make Templars likable, because it's mages who rule in Tevinter, and Templars are the oppressed and naive good-doer faction. But, then again, they failed for 3 games in a row, and both their likable Templars left the Order... I'd like to hope the Templar vs MAges would have been put to rest with the war in the South. I want Mage Factions vs other Factions as well as a Slave Rebellion, a Qunari War, Titans, Solas, and The grey Warden War please. That leaves no more room for another Mage vs Templar scenario.
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Post by phoray on Apr 6, 2017 14:40:40 GMT
Well, it feels unfair that Templars are always the bad guys, and the mages are always likable, no matter what they do because they have those strong characters champion their case (thank goodness for Vivienne, she sort of made the first unlikable mage right close to the inquisitor, and even she had a story line that made you feel for her). Maybe in tevinter, with Dorian's help we can at least make things right. I don't like the Chantry either, but I think in Tevinter it is not really influential. Now that the Elven gods has been revealed as just mages, I am hoping that Tevinter Magisters ar correct, and Andraste was just a mage as well, and Chantry has no cause to exist. Templars actually for once can be a Knightly order aligning (like the Templars in Inquisition) with the player's faction (which, I presume will be a pro-common good one, lol). Templars or Mages in Inquisition really did not make any difference as far as I could see after Haven, but hey fought for me and it sucked that both Alistair and Cullen left the order instead of reforming it and in Cullen's case taking charge of the what was left of the Inquisition forces. If every other organization could fracture, so could the knightly order. But, i guess, they set themselves up from game one onward to unlikable templars, so... Fiona was idiotic, one of her followers was an angry brat and the Templar side got Ser Barris and Cullen. There were good Templars in DA2 as well as Gregoir in DAO. The Templars in Tevinter are teethless and unless we're going to ovrthrow Tevinter to make it like the South (totally against that homogenization) then they must remain toothless. Alistair never wanted to be in the order and was super glad to join the Wardens, but even if he hadn't been, Duncan would have conscripted him anyway. And Cullen was severely traumatized and forced into an addiction that nearly killed him due to the Order... I dunno, he was just over the Order, IMO
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 14:43:28 GMT
Hey, glad someone else is playing it for the first time later than I did. I was just thinking that DA4 might bethe first game in the franchise that will make Templars likable, because it's mages who rule in Tevinter, and Templars are the oppressed and naive good-doer faction. But, then again, they failed for 3 games in a row, and both their likable Templars left the Order... I'd like to hope the Templar vs MAges would have been put to rest with the war in the South. I want Mage Factions vs other Factions as well as a Slave Rebellion, a Qunari War, Titans, Solas, and The grey Warden War please. That leaves no more room for another Mage vs Templar scenario. Well, Cassandra and Cullen had shown that they can write likable knights, and I would like to see more of it tbh. It's too easy to feel for the cause of slaves or liberated Qunari, or try to help the dying Wardens, and it is too easy to assume the stance of "Solas can be shown the light and my new character will do it, because I know Solas is nice!" etc. I am more interested in something less obvious, and the characters like Anders and Cullen that are likable despite, rather likable because. Particularly if it is not an attraction trap for the player (though Anders do exemplify it, as much as they try to warn you, heh). Anyway, I would not mind. Tevinter is a good setting, because things will not be the same as they were in the South were the positions are aligned with the modern mindsets so much.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 14:45:25 GMT
Well, it feels unfair that Templars are always the bad guys, and the mages are always likable, no matter what they do because they have those strong characters champion their case (thank goodness for Vivienne, she sort of made the first unlikable mage right close to the inquisitor, and even she had a story line that made you feel for her). Maybe in tevinter, with Dorian's help we can at least make things right. I don't like the Chantry either, but I think in Tevinter it is not really influential. Now that the Elven gods has been revealed as just mages, I am hoping that Tevinter Magisters ar correct, and Andraste was just a mage as well, and Chantry has no cause to exist. Templars actually for once can be a Knightly order aligning (like the Templars in Inquisition) with the player's faction (which, I presume will be a pro-common good one, lol). Templars or Mages in Inquisition really did not make any difference as far as I could see after Haven, but hey fought for me and it sucked that both Alistair and Cullen left the order instead of reforming it and in Cullen's case taking charge of the what was left of the Inquisition forces. If every other organization could fracture, so could the knightly order. But, i guess, they set themselves up from game one onward to unlikable templars, so... The Templars in Tevinter are teethless and unless we're going to ovrthrow Tevinter to make it like the South (totally against that homogenization) then they must remain toothless. Specifically why they might be inclined to join forces with Dorian (if Dorian and his new friend from the comic books are going to be the centre of the reformist North), or at least a part of them.
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Post by Almila_Lavellan on Apr 6, 2017 15:47:49 GMT
Well, it feels unfair that Templars are always the bad guys, and the mages are always likable, no matter what they do because they have those strong characters champion their case (thank goodness for Vivienne, she sort of made the first unlikable mage right close to the inquisitor, and even she had a story line that made you feel for her). Maybe in tevinter, with Dorian's help we can at least make things right. I don't like the Chantry either, but I think in Tevinter it is not really influential. Now that the Elven gods has been revealed as just mages, I am hoping that Tevinter Magisters ar correct, and Andraste was just a mage as well, and Chantry has no cause to exist. Templars actually for once can be a Knightly order aligning (like the Templars in Inquisition) with the player's faction (which, I presume will be a pro-common good one, lol). Templars or Mages in Inquisition really did not make any difference as far as I could see after Haven, but hey fought for me and it sucked that both Alistair and Cullen left the order instead of reforming it and in Cullen's case taking charge of the what was left of the Inquisition forces. If every other organization could fracture, so could the knightly order. But, i guess, they set themselves up from game one onward to unlikable templars, so... Well, I do believe there were good templars like Ser Thrask who was killed by evil mages. I don't think DA 2 mages were likeable. For instance, Ser Thrask wanted to help the mages and mages killed him in turn. Orsino was close friends with Quentin and was one of the villains which made no sense (even Inquisitor can ask that to Varric which grants disapproval points) What I mean is that they didn't really show a good mage. That "good mage" who wasn't possessed or an evil blood mage was only Hawke or Bethany. (and I know Hawke can be a blood mage but he/she doesn't get possessed) Even your party member mages were either possessed or blood mage. I don't think Tevinter is influential too but for me it's interesting that their circles are more like colleges. They are free, not locked in a tower for their whole life. I also hope that Andraste is a mage. Think about that, the southern chantry would be shocked. The look on their faces would be priceless. I'd pay to see that I think Cullen is against the idea of free mages even though he's more tolerable than other templars. I always ally with mages in DA:I and he is suspicious of mages now that they are free and without templar supervision. TBH, choosing either mages or templars didn't matter for me as epilogue deals with them either way (although I don't remember seeing a templar-related slide in the epilogue with allied mages ending) Also, a confession: I thought I would hate Cassandra because she looked too pious at first but no, I don't hate her. She is more reasonable than your average chantry folk. I just don't like making her the divine as she wants the circle restored with a little bit difference.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 6, 2017 16:20:49 GMT
Well, it feels unfair that Templars are always the bad guys, and the mages are always likable, no matter what they do because they have those strong characters champion their case (thank goodness for Vivienne, she sort of made the first unlikable mage right close to the inquisitor, and even she had a story line that made you feel for her). Maybe in tevinter, with Dorian's help we can at least make things right. I don't like the Chantry either, but I think in Tevinter it is not really influential. Now that the Elven gods has been revealed as just mages, I am hoping that Tevinter Magisters ar correct, and Andraste was just a mage as well, and Chantry has no cause to exist. Templars actually for once can be a Knightly order aligning (like the Templars in Inquisition) with the player's faction (which, I presume will be a pro-common good one, lol). Templars or Mages in Inquisition really did not make any difference as far as I could see after Haven, but hey fought for me and it sucked that both Alistair and Cullen left the order instead of reforming it and in Cullen's case taking charge of the what was left of the Inquisition forces. If every other organization could fracture, so could the knightly order. But, i guess, they set themselves up from game one onward to unlikable templars, so... Well, I do believe there were good templars like Ser Thrask who was killed by evil mages. I don't think DA 2 mages were likeable. For instance, Ser Thrask wanted to help the mages and mages killed him in turn. Orsino was close friends with Quentin and was one of the villains which made no sense (even Inquisitor can ask that to Varric which grants disapproval points) What I mean is that they didn't really show a good mage. That "good mage" who wasn't possessed or an evil blood mage was only Hawke or Bethany. (and I know Hawke can be a blood mage but he/she doesn't get possessed) Even your party member mages were either possessed or blood mage. I don't think Tevinter is influential too but for me it's interesting that their circles are more like colleges. They are free, not locked in a tower for their whole life. I also hope that Andraste is a mage. Think about that, the southern chantry would be shocked. The look on their faces would be priceless. I'd pay to see that I think Cullen is against the idea of free mages even though he's more tolerable than other templars. I always ally with mages in DA:I and he is suspicious of mages now that they are free and without templar supervision. TBH, choosing either mages or templars didn't matter for me as epilogue deals with them either way (although I don't remember seeing a templar-related slide in the epilogue with allied mages ending) Also, a confession: I thought I would hate Cassandra because she looked too pious at first but no, I don't hate her. She is more reasonable than your average chantry folk. I just don't like making her the divine as she wants the circle restored with a little bit difference. Evelina would be likable, but the Chantry (Circle) spoiled her, when she asked for help, but they refused that, and began to persecute her. Huon was a nice, normal man before Circle (we know that from his wife). Quentin was in the Starkhaven Circle, before that he appeared in Kirkwall, so, I think, Orsino didn't know about his mental status. Until the end Orsino is fine (in fact, too loyal, according to my taste). At the end he go crazy. His fate also confirmed the dangerousness of the Circle. I didn't met only absolutely healthy Circle Mage, and the same is true of lyrium addict Templars. The Chantry on this form already ripe for a purge.
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Post by fylimar on Apr 6, 2017 16:41:44 GMT
I'd like to hope the Templar vs MAges would have been put to rest with the war in the South. I want Mage Factions vs other Factions as well as a Slave Rebellion, a Qunari War, Titans, Solas, and The grey Warden War please. That leaves no more room for another Mage vs Templar scenario. Well, Cassandra and Cullen had shown that they can write likable knights, and I would like to see more of it tbh. It's too easy to feel for the cause of slaves or liberated Qunari, or try to help the dying Wardens, and it is too easy to assume the stance of "Solas can be shown the light and my new character will do it, because I know Solas is nice!" etc. I am more interested in something less obvious, and the characters like Anders and Cullen that are likable despite, rather likable because. Particularly if it is not an attraction trap for the player (though Anders do exemplify it, as much as they try to warn you, heh). Anyway, I would not mind. Tevinter is a good setting, because things will not be the same as they were in the South were the positions are aligned with the modern mindsets so much. I don't have a problem with the templars per se and I think with the templars it's the same as with the mages: you have nice ones and not so nice ones. And I would not necessarily think that Solas sees reason. It was a nice conversation in Trespasser, but we can't forget, that he is a trickster god, so we might get the less obvious here after all (hopefully). In DAI I found the mage and templar leader equally unlikeable btw. Fiona and Lucius are not really the nicest people in the world, but Lucius had at least the excuse, that he wasn't Lucius at all, but a demon in Lucius disguise, Fiona was just stupid.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 6, 2017 16:43:30 GMT
Well, it feels unfair that Templars are always the bad guys, and the mages are always likable, no matter what they do because they have those strong characters champion their case (thank goodness for Vivienne, she sort of made the first unlikable mage right close to the inquisitor, and even she had a story line that made you feel for her). Maybe in tevinter, with Dorian's help we can at least make things right. I don't like the Chantry either, but I think in Tevinter it is not really influential. Now that the Elven gods has been revealed as just mages, I am hoping that Tevinter Magisters ar correct, and Andraste was just a mage as well, and Chantry has no cause to exist. Templars actually for once can be a Knightly order aligning (like the Templars in Inquisition) with the player's faction (which, I presume will be a pro-common good one, lol). Templars or Mages in Inquisition really did not make any difference as far as I could see after Haven, but hey fought for me and it sucked that both Alistair and Cullen left the order instead of reforming it and in Cullen's case taking charge of the what was left of the Inquisition forces. If every other organization could fracture, so could the knightly order. But, i guess, they set themselves up from game one onward to unlikable templars, so... Not the Templars personally, but the Templar Order and the Chanty are wrong and corrupted. This is undebatable. The Templars joined to the Order as naive, young people who want to help as Cullen, Carver, Samson and Thrask, and later they disillusioned or go mad, as for example Alrik or Samson. This is the dark side.
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Post by fylimar on Apr 6, 2017 16:51:10 GMT
Well, I do believe there were good templars like Ser Thrask who was killed by evil mages. I don't think DA 2 mages were likeable. For instance, Ser Thrask wanted to help the mages and mages killed him in turn. Orsino was close friends with Quentin and was one of the villains which made no sense (even Inquisitor can ask that to Varric which grants disapproval points) What I mean is that they didn't really show a good mage. That "good mage" who wasn't possessed or an evil blood mage was only Hawke or Bethany. (and I know Hawke can be a blood mage but he/she doesn't get possessed) Even your party member mages were either possessed or blood mage. I don't think Tevinter is influential too but for me it's interesting that their circles are more like colleges. They are free, not locked in a tower for their whole life. I also hope that Andraste is a mage. Think about that, the southern chantry would be shocked. The look on their faces would be priceless. I'd pay to see that I think Cullen is against the idea of free mages even though he's more tolerable than other templars. I always ally with mages in DA:I and he is suspicious of mages now that they are free and without templar supervision. TBH, choosing either mages or templars didn't matter for me as epilogue deals with them either way (although I don't remember seeing a templar-related slide in the epilogue with allied mages ending) Also, a confession: I thought I would hate Cassandra because she looked too pious at first but no, I don't hate her. She is more reasonable than your average chantry folk. I just don't like making her the divine as she wants the circle restored with a little bit difference. Evelina would be likable, but the Chantry (Circle) spoiled her, when she asked for help, but they refused that, and began to persecute her. Huon was a nice, normal man before Circle (we know that from his wife). Quentin was in the Starkhaven Circle, before that he appeared in Kirkwall, so, I think, Orsino didn't know about his mental status. Until the end Orsino is fine (in fact, too loyal, according to my taste). At the end he go crazy. His fate also confirmed the dangerousness of the Circle. I didn't met only absolutely healthy Circle Mage, and the same is true of lyrium addict Templars. The Chantry on this form already ripe for a purge. I agree that Orsino probably didn't know, that his friend killed women. The letter, you find in Quentins lair doesn't state anything about Orsino knowing that and we all know, that the Harvester was just another bossfight and very out of character for Orsino (who, btw, should not have been able to transform himself into a Harvester if I remember the Golems of Amgarrak correctly). He probably knew, that Quentin was trying something unorthodox, bringing his wife back to life, but not the methods. I'm not so sure about Evelina and Huon, they really seem to lost their marbles. And we don't know, if they wouldn't lost them regardless of circle. Bethany was pretty normal, Alain too, Sol was the rock of constistency in the whole game (imo the only truely sane and normal character in the whole game), so I wouldn't let Huon and Evelina off the hook so easy.
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Post by phoray on Apr 6, 2017 16:51:33 GMT
Catilina fylimar @domi and Almila_LavellanI tried to move this interesting conversation to the "What did you do Today? thread, to quit mucking up the confessions thread.
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Post by fylimar on Apr 6, 2017 16:54:04 GMT
Catilina fylimar @domi and Almila_Lavellan I tried to move this interesting conversation to the "What did you do Today? thread, to quit mucking up the confessions thread. I wouldn't do that in the 'What did you do...' thread either, maybe a mod can move those posts into a new thread - something like 'Are templars too unlikeable in DA?' Or 'Templars and mages - how are they shown in DA?'
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Post by fylimar on Apr 6, 2017 16:57:48 GMT
First ever Dragon Age confession. Been a Mass Effect fan since '07. Favourite series of games ever. Never played the Dragon Age games till two weeks ago, and have now finished two playthroughs of Origins (female human noble x Alistair and male human noble x Zevran) and one of Awakening (my female Warden). Loved Origins. It has its flaws though. Not a big fan of the actual combat, but the story and world kept me enthralled. Sadly I only really came to love half of the companions, all of them the love interests, Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana, and Zevran. They all seemed like some of BioWare's greatest characters I've come across, I loved them all, and enjoyed every minute in their company. I couldn't have cared less about Wynne or Shale. And I outright hated Oghren and Sten. The whole endgame Landsmeet and Battle of Denerim act was the highlight for me. Absolute brilliance from the moment we arrive at the Arl of Redcliffe's estate, right through to the epilogue. I am really excited for Dragon Age 2. Oddly, all the stuff people have been warning me about aren't problems for me. I don't mind its in Kirkwall or that the combat is different. I don't mind Hawke, since default male Hawke looks and sounds hot as hell and I am gunna romance the pants of Anders and Fenris (maybe Isabela as well cause she's gorgeous). Also... Leliana singing was the most awkward and cringed moment in the whole game. Sorry, not sorry. FInally someone who didn't like Lelianas singing too. I didn't like the scene for more than one reason (and I think, that can be seen as a confession ): The whole orchestra in the backround was silly, it never felt as if she really sings for her friends at the campfire. And I didn't like the voice, I would have thought that a famous bard had a better voice (that is of course subjective) and the way, the scene was animated. They do a better job with all of it in DAI plus you have real tavern songs with a voice and a lute (without spoilering much)
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Post by Almila_Lavellan on Apr 6, 2017 16:58:19 GMT
Well, I do believe there were good templars like Ser Thrask who was killed by evil mages. I don't think DA 2 mages were likeable. For instance, Ser Thrask wanted to help the mages and mages killed him in turn. Orsino was close friends with Quentin and was one of the villains which made no sense (even Inquisitor can ask that to Varric which grants disapproval points) What I mean is that they didn't really show a good mage. That "good mage" who wasn't possessed or an evil blood mage was only Hawke or Bethany. (and I know Hawke can be a blood mage but he/she doesn't get possessed) Even your party member mages were either possessed or blood mage. I don't think Tevinter is influential too but for me it's interesting that their circles are more like colleges. They are free, not locked in a tower for their whole life. I also hope that Andraste is a mage. Think about that, the southern chantry would be shocked. The look on their faces would be priceless. I'd pay to see that I think Cullen is against the idea of free mages even though he's more tolerable than other templars. I always ally with mages in DA:I and he is suspicious of mages now that they are free and without templar supervision. TBH, choosing either mages or templars didn't matter for me as epilogue deals with them either way (although I don't remember seeing a templar-related slide in the epilogue with allied mages ending) Also, a confession: I thought I would hate Cassandra because she looked too pious at first but no, I don't hate her. She is more reasonable than your average chantry folk. I just don't like making her the divine as she wants the circle restored with a little bit difference. Evelina would be likable, but the Chantry (Circle) spoiled her, when she asked for help, but they refused that, and began to persecute her. Huon was a nice, normal man before Circle (we know that from his wife). Quentin was in the Starkhaven Circle, before that he appeared in Kirkwall, so, I think, Orsino didn't know about his mental status. Until the end Orsino is fine (in fact, too loyal, according to my taste). At the end he go crazy. His fate also confirmed the dangerousness of the Circle. I didn't met only absolutely healthy Circle Mage, and the same is true of lyrium addict Templars. The Chantry on this form already ripe for a purge. Evelina and Huon were good before chantry. Evelina had good intentions before act 3. Chantry didn't help her. Huon was harmless before circle. I don't believe that Orsino was a blood mage before act 3. I read somewhere that he was added as a villain much later, thinking that Meredith is a weak villain. Unfortunately, it seemed that nearly every mage in Kirkwall was trying to justify Meredith's paranoia. Act 3 was full of exaggeration. All of a sudden mages cut their hands and turn into an abomination in every damn corner. Like, WTH? I thought they needed to make a deal with a demon first. Is it that easy? They needed to learn blood magic first according to DA:O lore. Yes, I know bleeding attracts their attention (I think?) but all of a sudden, boom! See, every mage was a blood mage. Meredith was right. Only good example who doesn't deal with the demons is Hawke/Bethany (without counting the mages you save if you side with them) The whole plot established around how every mage in Kirkwall was a blood mage who deals with demons and experiments on people somehow, with some good templars like Ser Thrask and Keran on the side. That's unfair IMO. Edit: The thread digressed too much so I will leave it at that. Confession: I kinda want to see Thedas without the Veil. I find it very interesting. - Solas is my favorite romance in DA:I. I really want to redeem him.
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Post by phoray on Apr 6, 2017 17:00:11 GMT
Catilina fylimar @domi and Almila_Lavellan I tried to move this interesting conversation to the "What did you do Today? thread, to quit mucking up the confessions thread. I wouldn't do that in the 'What did you do...' thread either, maybe a mod can move those posts into a new thread - something like 'Are templars too unlikeable in DA?' Or 'Templars and mages - how are they shown in DA?' I guess if we all really felt that the discussion was interesting enough for a couple folks outside of ourselves to want to join in and really get going. As it seemed initially, it was just domi and I for a bit so finishing the convo over there is just as good. I don't always treat the What did you Do thread as just for playing the game myself. Sometimes I have random thoughts, ideas, I want to share, but they don't warrant a full blown thread. Regardless! definitely not a confession discussion anymore.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 6, 2017 17:08:19 GMT
Evelina would be likable, but the Chantry (Circle) spoiled her, when she asked for help, but they refused that, and began to persecute her. Huon was a nice, normal man before Circle (we know that from his wife). Quentin was in the Starkhaven Circle, before that he appeared in Kirkwall, so, I think, Orsino didn't know about his mental status. Until the end Orsino is fine (in fact, too loyal, according to my taste). At the end he go crazy. His fate also confirmed the dangerousness of the Circle. I didn't met only absolutely healthy Circle Mage, and the same is true of lyrium addict Templars. The Chantry on this form already ripe for a purge. Evelina and Huon were good before chantry. Evelina had good intentions before act 3. Chantry didn't help her. Huon was harmless before circle. I don't believe that Orsino was a blood mage before act 3. I read somewhere that he was added as a villain much later, thinking that Meredith is a weak villain. Unfortunately, it seemed that nearly every mage in Kirkwall was trying to justify Meredith's paranoia. Act 3 was full of exaggeration. All of a sudden mages cut their hands and turn into an abomination in every damn corner. Like, WTH? I thought they needed to make a deal with a demon first. Is it that easy? They needed to learn blood magic first according to DA:O lore. Yes, I know bleeding attracts their attention (I think?) but all of a sudden, boom! See, every mage was a blood mage. Meredith was right. Only good example who doesn't deal with the demons is Hawke/Bethany (without counting the mages you save if you side with them) The whole plot established around how every mage in Kirkwall was a blood mage who deals with demons and experiments on people somehow, with some good templars like Ser Thrask and Keran on the side. That's unfair IMO. I think, he was. I think, he studied the forbidden doctrines, but much more for scientific curiosity, rather than against people.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 6, 2017 17:09:39 GMT
Catilina fylimar @domi and Almila_Lavellan I tried to move this interesting conversation to the "What did you do Today? thread, to quit mucking up the confessions thread. I'm a terrible person (this is a confession!)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 17:11:09 GMT
Of all the companions to bring back from Origins for Awakening, why Oghren? He's not so much a character as just "drunk dwarf".
I hate, hate, hated him. Meeting Sigrun made me wish we had her as a companion in Origins instead.
Plus hearing Steve Blum just made me think of Grunt and how Oghren was like a vastly inferior Grunt, albeit not a child but a frickin' immature and dumb dwarf.
And don't get me started on Sten... second playthrough I just left him in the cage.
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Post by fylimar on Apr 6, 2017 17:17:37 GMT
Of all the companions to bring back from Origins for Awakening, why Oghren? He's not so much a character as just "drunk dwarf". I hate, hate, hated him. Meeting Sigrun made me wish we had her as a companion in Origins instead. Plus hearing Steve Blum just made me think of Grunt and how Oghren was like a vastly inferior Grunt, albeit not a child but a frickin' immature and dumb dwarf. And don't get me started on Sten... second playthrough I just left him in the cage. I hate Oghren too (this, again, is a confession), but there is one character, I hate more than Oghren and that is Morrigan. She just has no redeeming qualities for me (well, Claudia Blacks voice, but that is not enough here). In current playthroughs, I let her rot by her campfire. How can a cool character like Flemeth have such a boring, uninteresting child?
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Post by Catilina on Apr 6, 2017 17:36:07 GMT
Evelina would be likable, but the Chantry (Circle) spoiled her, when she asked for help, but they refused that, and began to persecute her. Huon was a nice, normal man before Circle (we know that from his wife). Quentin was in the Starkhaven Circle, before that he appeared in Kirkwall, so, I think, Orsino didn't know about his mental status. Until the end Orsino is fine (in fact, too loyal, according to my taste). At the end he go crazy. His fate also confirmed the dangerousness of the Circle. I didn't met only absolutely healthy Circle Mage, and the same is true of lyrium addict Templars. The Chantry on this form already ripe for a purge. I agree that Orsino probably didn't know, that his friend killed women. The letter, you find in Quentins lair doesn't state anything about Orsino knowing that and we all know, that the Harvester was just another bossfight and very out of character for Orsino (who, btw, should not have been able to transform himself into a Harvester if I remember the Golems of Amgarrak correctly). He probably knew, that Quentin was trying something unorthodox, bringing his wife back to life, but not the methods. I'm not so sure about Evelina and Huon, they really seem to lost their marbles. And we don't know, if they wouldn't lost them regardless of circle. Bethany was pretty normal, Alain too, Sol was the rock of constistency in the whole game (imo the only truely sane and normal character in the whole game), so I wouldn't let Huon and Evelina off the hook so easy. Evelina was in the Circle. Not excluded, that she knew the blood magic, of course. (In the Circles –as we have seen– in Ferelden too, the lowest apprentice as well studied the blood magic.) But I don't believe, that she would use against people, if the Templars wouldn't starting to persecute her. Probably I'm naive, but I think, if Huon would be able to live a full, free life, with his wife, he wouldn't have gone crazy. His life had a meaning. The circle had taken everything from him. Yes, blood magic always an easy solution. The key to everything. A strong temptation (as Anders and Dorian mentions), especially when the situation is hopeless.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 6, 2017 17:39:10 GMT
Of all the companions to bring back from Origins for Awakening, why Oghren? He's not so much a character as just "drunk dwarf". I hate, hate, hated him. Meeting Sigrun made me wish we had her as a companion in Origins instead. Plus hearing Steve Blum just made me think of Grunt and how Oghren was like a vastly inferior Grunt, albeit not a child but a frickin' immature and dumb dwarf. And don't get me started on Sten... second playthrough I just left him in the cage. Poor Sten, I really like him. He's a fun character, and finally very loyal. I would like to see him as arishok.
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Post by Almila_Lavellan on Apr 6, 2017 17:47:22 GMT
I.. I think I like Oghren and Sten. This is a confession Oghren was only a drunk dwarf but he was at least funny sometimes. Sten did terrible things but I still like him anyway. Interestingly, I also like Wynne. She is nothing like Vivienne considering they are both pro-circle. At least you can say, "Would you hate me if I said you were full of rubbish?" to her face and she approves (+1)
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Post by Iddy on Apr 6, 2017 17:47:45 GMT
Of all the companions to bring back from Origins for Awakening, why Oghren? He's not so much a character as just "drunk dwarf". Ahh, I can tell you never took him to the Sacred Ashes q uest.
His response to the Gauntlet's guardian is: "Why don't I save you some time? Yes, I wish I could have saved my family from Branka. I wish I'd been a better mate; maybe she'd have stayed home with a bellyful of baby Oghren and never gone for the Anvil. Maybe I failed her. And yes, I came to the surface because I'm barely a dwarf anymore. My family is dead, my honor as a warrior long gone. I've lost my caste and my house and I have nothing else to lose."
Wynne actually endured an entire lifetime in the Circle, so her defense of its purpose deserves some respect. Meanwhile, Vivienne bedded her way to a comfortable life away from the Tower, so she can't be taken seriously.
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Post by fylimar on Apr 6, 2017 19:07:20 GMT
Another confession: I love Coles dialogues and seldom skip any of them. Just had Aunt Eloises pond again and love that scene.
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Post by MisterMr. on Apr 9, 2017 12:41:04 GMT
I always kill Anders in DA2. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. And I do not feel guilty.
I actively dislike DAI and everything about it. Story, characters, Inquisitor, game-play, open world. Every aspect of it I hate. (Ok fine, I do like Morrigan and her gushing over My Warden. And Flemeth's interactions with Kieran and Morrigan. But THAT'S IT.)
Only good romance in all 3 games is Morrigan. (Alistair for the ladies.)
Varric and his chest hair are overrated.
Dragon Age 2 is leagues better than Inquisition.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 14:10:06 GMT
All my Inquisitors have ridicilously green eyes, I like to pretend this was an effect of the anchor. I will change their eyes into pale green if they appear in DA4 because anchors effects would be fading that time
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