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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 16, 2017 1:09:08 GMT
At least maybe as a conclusion from a Human female Noble Warrior/Rogue? Now Cassandra says: "a weight, such as yours would break the Sunburst Throne." However, a mage being Vivienne can become Divine? I don't remember what happens if Vivienne is Divine- other then that she basically restores what was. How does this not "break" the Sunburst Throne as Cassandra put it? In other words won't the Human female Noble be the better option?
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Post by Catilina on Jul 16, 2017 2:17:38 GMT
At least maybe as a conclusion from a Human female Noble Warrior/Rogue? Now Cassandra says: "a weight, such as yours would break the Sunburst Throne." However, a mage being Vivienne can become Divine? I don't remember what happens if Vivienne is Divine- other then that she basically restores what was. How does this not "break" the Sunburst Throne as Cassandra put it? In other words won't the Human female Noble be the better option?c Male Vasoth Saarebas the best! (Vivienne with her power-hungryness is a Magister-Divine. every pious Andrastian's worst nightmare!)
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Post by thats1evildude on Jul 16, 2017 3:53:25 GMT
Three randos? The Left and Right Hand of the Divine? The First Enchanter of Montsimmard and court mage to the Empress of Orlais?
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Post by arvaarad on Jul 16, 2017 4:44:56 GMT
Three randos? The Left and Right Hand. of the Divine? The First Enchanter of Montsimmard? compared to the Inquisitor's fame, I mean. they're obviously not complete randos. Isn't like 90% of the political tension in Inquisition due to the Inquisitor being a complete rando? The Inquisitor is a totally unpredictable, untrained schmuck who is (unfortunately) fused to the only weapon that can stop Corypheus. The other leaders of Thedas only tolerated them out of sheer necessity.
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Post by Sunegami on Jul 16, 2017 4:45:38 GMT
I'm honestly kind of surprised they didn't just leave it open to human female Inquisitors to have the option, and wave away anyone else based on race and/or gender.
But then they would have had to contend with the potential for OOC Divine!Inquisitors in any future games, like how people who played a blood mage Hawke suddenly found their Hawkes very anti-blood magic in Inquisition. So I can also see how it's easier to scrap the whole idea.
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Post by arvaarad on Jul 16, 2017 5:59:09 GMT
Isn't like 90% of the political tension in Inquisition due to the Inquisitor being a complete rando? The Inquisitor is a totally unpredictable, untrained schmuck who is (unfortunately) fused to the only weapon that can stop Corypheus. The other leaders of Thedas only tolerated them out of sheer necessity. yeah, at the very beginning of the game and then suddenly again in Trespasser it's a pretty big deal that the Inquisitor is just some rando shmuck making big decisions and hasn't gone away. I just find it difficult to believe that with the Herald of Andraste title, the period of time between, and every seemingly miraculous accomplishment the Inquisitor has made that Thedas/the Chantry isn't clamoring for the Inquisitor to fill the vacant throne over these three candidates. Nothing sudden about it. There's a really big difference between how common folk see the Inquisitor and how people with political power see them. Most of those in power are fully aware that the Inquisitor is a minnow among sharks. But they have to be superficially nice in public, because their people see the Inquisitor as the Herald of Andraste. Much of the noble/Chantry "support" during the events of Inquisition boils down to stuff they need to do anyway (like send armies against Corypheus) and smaller bits of token support that keep the masses happy. Giving the Inquisitor a seat as the Divine is giving them real, lasting power. That's too important to use as a token "see, we support the Inquisitor!" move. Not only would it threaten power structures within the nobility and Chantry, it would also be a really ill-advised idea when it comes to overall stability. The best case scenario is that the Inquisitor is a Trevelyan, and has some training as a minor noble. In the best case scenario, they're still incredibly inexperienced in politics/governance, compared to the other alternatives. Leading an army is totally different than leading in peacetime. Even if they had good intentions, they'd fuck things up due to the crushing weight of their own incompetence. And that's all assuming they'd have good intentions. The Inquisitor is still basically an unknown quantity. Once installed, good luck removing a Divine who isn't what you expect. It's extremely important that there's little to no potential for major surprises.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 17, 2017 3:35:24 GMT
Not really sure what to make of Leliana crying... Cassandra looks about right for a qunari sitting on the throne, though
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Post by themikefest on Jul 17, 2017 4:52:21 GMT
Because the Inquisitor will return as the main character for the next game Not sure if I would want my Inquisitor to become divine. She wouldn't look good wearing that big hat. Who would replace the Inquisitor? What would happen to the Inquisition? Would Teagan have a hissy fit if the Inquisitor were divine?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 17, 2017 5:28:49 GMT
Because the Inquisitor will return as the main character for the next game Not sure if I would want my Inquisitor to become divine. She wouldn't look good wearing that big hat. Who would replace the Inquisitor? What would happen to the Inquisition? Would Teagan have a hissy fit if the Inquisitor were divine? My two cents; Cassandra. Nothing good. Yes.
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Post by Zemgus on Jul 17, 2017 12:29:05 GMT
Not really sure what to make of Leliana crying... Cassandra looks about right for a qunari sitting on the throne, though There's another art piece like this where Leliana is crying because the Inquisitor allows Empress Celine be assassinated before stopping her cousin - even though in the final game she's the one who comes up with the idea in the first place. Seems like she might have gone through some personality changes during the development. I think it would have been awesome if at least human female Inquisitor could be able to become Divine.
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Post by Jacket on Jul 18, 2017 10:56:22 GMT
I want to become a divine of speed
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 18, 2017 11:31:27 GMT
I want to become a divine of speed *shoots you in the back, wins* SPOILERZ!
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Post by fylimar on Jul 18, 2017 16:16:46 GMT
I'm glad, that the inqui couldn't become Divine in the end. The ascention of your main character was already a bit unbelievable - I mean, making a Qunari, dwarf, elf or mage head of the inquisition is kind of radical. It speaks for Cassandra and the others, that they suggest it, but there should have been more restistance from other parties, who didn't witness the inquisitors deeds in Haven. Making the player character Divine would not only cause problems in future games because of continuity, but it would be even more radical for some choices. Female humans I could see, even the human mage - considering she has a similar background than Viv, who is an actual candidate. But all other races or males would not be very believable. I'm very content with the three choices you have - one for every play style.
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Post by tarotmage on Jul 23, 2017 17:11:55 GMT
I don't remember what happens if Vivienne is Divine- other then that she basically restores what was. "Vivvy" restores the Templar order, re-establishes the Circle of Magi and clamps down hard on rebel mages. A playthrough I recently finished has my Inquisitor as a male mage whose main goal was to get Vivienne on the Sunburst Throne. After some online research I made the decisions that would get her there: agreed that the Circles were necessary, side with the mages but conscript them, banish the Grey Wardens from Orlais and made sure her individual quest arc was completed.
The ending events from my Inquisition playthrough (I did not disband but instead became a peacekeeping force for the Divine) had the rebel mages either return to the Circle or stay with the Inquisition. The Trespasser DLC ending had Vivienne concede some power to the mages in that they were allowed to form a College of Enchanters.
This playthrough had me making some real tough choices, especially when my imported world state brought both Alistair and Hawke into the Fade. I knew it was coming but boy howdy, it still didn't make it any easier.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 23, 2017 17:41:50 GMT
Would a male one be called Divine Victor?
Honestly, I can't think of anything worse than becoming Divine. It might be interesting to have the option, but I don't think I could be that cruel to my Inquisitor.
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Post by tarotmage on Jul 23, 2017 19:30:21 GMT
Would a male one be called Divine Victor? Honestly, I can't think of anything worse than becoming Divine. It might be interesting to have the option, but I don't think I could be that cruel to my Inquisitor.
The Divine picks her name out of a miter filled with sacred names written by the Grand Clerics. Other than the changing to male names I would think the process is pretty much the same.
That being said, if the next Dragon Age takes place in the Tevinter Imperium as was hinted at the end of "Trespasser," we could very well see the Imperium's version of the Chantry -- known as "The Imperial Chantry" and has a man seated as Divine.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 23, 2017 19:40:48 GMT
Would a male one be called Divine Victor? Honestly, I can't think of anything worse than becoming Divine. It might be interesting to have the option, but I don't think I could be that cruel to my Inquisitor.
The Divine picks her name out of a miter filled with sacred names written by the Grand Clerics. Other than the changing to male names I would think the process is pretty much the same. I remember Sebastian saying that to Merrill in DA2, but I wasn't sure if he was having her on. I sort of assumed Divine Victoria was named after the victory over Corypheus.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jul 23, 2017 21:10:49 GMT
Personally I am glad it was not included. I do not need my pc to become the top dog in everything.
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Post by Cantina on Jul 23, 2017 22:46:07 GMT
Having the Inquisitor become Divine, would no doubt create some serious story issues. Hell, Inquisition has enough of those already if you paid closed attention.
But I digress.
Allowing only female Inquisitors have the option to be Divine, would “force” players to play a female character. Then tack on the player being an elf, dwarf or quanari would cause turmoil across Thedas and the developers would have to write about that.
Then you have the male side. Males are allowed within the Chantry but are no more then what Cassandra said, “clerks.” Putting a male on the Sunburst throne would be inconceivable because Tevinter has a male on their Chantry throne. And many across Thedas not only despise Tevinter but consider their Divine sacrilege.
Bottom line: Too many issues to deal with historically and non-historically.
The only person I thought was a very odd choice was: Vivienne. I found it extremely hard to believe she could be consider for such since she is a mage. The developers could have thrown Mother Giselle into the ring. Some people say, “Well that is a bit too obvious.” True. But it makes far more sense than some random noble who claims to be Andrastian but they really are not.
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Post by rapscallioness on Jul 23, 2017 23:37:22 GMT
I'm glad they did not have that happen. Being Inquisitor and some holy prophet was really enough for me. Too much, really. The holy prophet and castle stuff is just really not my personal jam. I like a scrappier approach.
But you can't always get what you want. So, you make a choice to play along, or not. I played along. But if they had layered in the option to become Divine, too, it would have been entirely too much for me. Too much snowflake. Way too much snowflake for my tastes.
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Post by Jacket on Jul 24, 2017 20:04:13 GMT
I want to become a divine of speed *shoots you in the back, wins* SPOILERZ! You're basically Savitar with the lightning flask. Is there any way to extend the effects of flasks?
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Post by dreman999 on Jul 24, 2017 21:22:55 GMT
Because tresspasser. You can't be divine because it does not work with tresspassers plot.
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Post by dreman999 on Jul 24, 2017 21:25:33 GMT
Not really sure what to make of Leliana crying... Cassandra looks about right for a qunari sitting on the throne, though you don't see the knife in Cassandra's hands as she is about to kill herself?
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Post by Joey on Jul 28, 2017 8:37:47 GMT
Such a lost opportunity. But that wouldn't fit our goody two-shoes Inquisitor lol.
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