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Post by mordokai on Jul 16, 2017 19:08:20 GMT
You might say this thread has no point. Honestly, after five years, does any thread has a point? So yeah, this is just me waxing philosophical, sharing some thoughts. I don't assume to be pro, but I do like to put it there, purely for the sake of it. Hope nobody gets offended by that. And if you do, well... kindly go fuck yourself  Truth be told, for the longest time I had no idea what to do with this kit. Soldier being one of the most boring classes out there(to me personally, that is), maybe tied with infiltrator for that dubious honour, was part of it, but by no means exclusive to my dislike. I just didn't know how to use the powerset of the kit effectively. Didn't help that, those thousand hours ago, when I was n00b, getting my feet wet in Bronze, I was trying to make it work with Avenger/Mantis combo. I'm sure nowadays I could make it work, but back then? Fogged about it! I tried giving it a chance... Goddess knows I did. But scrub I was, it was just no use. Couldn't make it work, to save the life of me. Thinking back on it, that's probably why I did as much as I did  Then something changed. I saw the video of platinum solo with human soldier, by our Mission_Scrubbed . I haven't been able to find it right now, but wouldn't mind watching it again  Admittedly, it wasn't the fastest and that was stated plainly. But it was the first platinum solo(maybe solo in general even) of human soldier I ever saw. And it had Claymore... one weapon I haven't tried on her yet. And it was damn fun to watch! Mission_Scrubbed was kind enough to share her(for some reason, I imagine MS to be female... might have to do something with avatar... in any case, apologies if I'm wrong) build in the commentary. And I said to myself, what the eff, might as well give it a shot. I shamelessly copied her build, down to the color scheme. And it was like nirvana. Now, skeptics may say that, in all my time, I have actually learned something(perish the thought!) and I guess there's some truth to that. But I like to think it had more to do with the fact that it's just one of the best classes for Claymore. That double bang... oh so nasty. Oh so sexy. And all of a sudden... it clicked. A new love was born and it has been going strong. And while I still consider myself an asari man... there's just no denying it. Human soldier has her own charm. I imagine she would do just fine with other weapons, but I don't dare take Claymore away from her, lest I become her latest victim  As for builds... Human Female Soldier - no big deal there. Double tap Claymore, throw grenade or two to clean it up. CS for making phantrolls jump/bubble up and clearing swarmers. She has a nice mix of destructive and staying power, due to mix of fitness and defensive/offensive spec in AR. She eats Reapers for breakfast. I'll sometimes give her incendiary ammo, for those FEs I love so much. Human Male Soldier - this guy is a bit odd one out. No Claymore, because I wanted to try something new on him. No AR, because I figured 4/4 split between passives/fitness was getting me downed far too much and I wasn't even using AR that much. While damage boost is a nice addition, I primarily use it for free reload and with Lancer, it's just no use for that. He has something for every defense... CS for barriers, grenades for shields(trio of marauders ganging on you? no problem!) and High velocity barrel for some much needed penetration/armor mitigation. He's a mook horror show, cleans them up right good, even phantoms. Suffers a little against bosses, but nothing that can't be done with some patience. FE galore, stack them dots and watch everything that's not geth/Atlas die. And I'm thinking of taking 4B evo on CS, instead of 4A. Think it would be better with this build. Tried cryo Avenger on him, didn't like it. I imagine Acolyte would be better, but I hate that gun on anything that's not Justicar. BF3 soldier - pure offensive spec. Double tap Claymore(with max damage spec from AR), shoot Carnage for 1+6 FE, throw Grenade for 6+6 FE. This guy *destroys* armor. The tradeoff being, of course, he goes down so fast as anything looks his way Which is I why I generally don't play him in pug games, since I know that I play rather offensively and I need a good team backing me up. But he is fun to play. There you go. My two intergallactic cents. Feel free to chime in or just feel smug in your knowledge how much of a scrub I am SaveSave |
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Jul 16, 2017 19:41:42 GMT
I love the Claymore as much as the next worshiper of Light, but to me the Saber is more fun on the HSol. And more flexible overall. Although with my cancer patient aim, things go bad often  |
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Post by DistigousForest on Jul 16, 2017 20:03:59 GMT
Here's my take and probably where we differ a bit. If you go with Adrenaline Rush take damage on 4b as I feel, unless you're soloing, more damage is always better than a little DR. As for Frags I really like radius, always take bleed over more nades, and armor damage because you can make up that shield damage with Disruptor or Phasic (or high RoF weapons). For the Battlefield 3 Soldier, my only critique would be to swap Incendiary in favor of Disruptor. FE's have a 3 second timer on priming them meaning you're usually only getting the 1+6 FE from the ammo proc and Carnage detonation. However, if you take Disruptor there is no such timer and if you shoot>(AR)shoot>carnage>frag you'll always have a 6+6 FE following the 1+6 TB which is much better for damage output throughout the course of a match. Also, carnage has a fairly short priming period (2s I think) compared to other fire based attacks.
Most one shot weapons are really good with Adrenaline Rush so the Widow, Javelin, Mantis are all good. Nothing like a 4 shot Raider or Wraith too, Talon or Paladin are also good. For the CryoSol Acolyte would be the main in Platinum with choice of CSMG or Hurricane for bosses or slap an Arc Pistol on it. You can always try the Falcon, Scorpion, Lancer, Talon, or Paladin/Carnifex with it as well.
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Post by Deerber on Jul 16, 2017 20:08:13 GMT
So... Basically, what you're saying is... Claymoar. And I fucking wholeheartedly agree! I love the Claymore as much as the next worshiper of Light, but to me the Saber is more fun on the HSol. And more flexible overall. Although with my cancer patient aim, things go bad often It's not you man, it's the Saber that has shitty accuracy without MM. It's supposed to be a marksman's gun, for fuck's sake... |
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Jul 16, 2017 20:37:42 GMT
So... Basically, what you're saying is... Claymoar. And I fucking wholeheartedly agree! I love the Claymore as much as the next worshiper of Light, but to me the Saber is more fun on the HSol. And more flexible overall. Although with my cancer patient aim, things go bad often It's not you man, it's the Saber that has shitty accuracy without MM. It's supposed to be a marksman's gun, for fuck's sake... That's true. The Saber does seem to miss a lot, when you rapid fire it without MM when shooting at a humanoid enemy. Although when I tested it by firing at a wall all shots seem to go where I point. It's some kind of Crusader shenanigans, I dunno Putting on a Thermal Scope fixes it, but can lead to tunnel vision if you stay scoped for 8-14 shots. |
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Post by Mission_Scrubbed on Jul 16, 2017 20:59:57 GMT
I'm sorry to disappoint you, I'm not a woman. My voice is not helping either. But strong imagination makes life so much better, and it's free. The avatar you mention is a cool pic I found online that resembles my ME2 femshep plus Claymoar -it goes without saying. Oddly enough, a pug showed me the HSol way. In an Infiltrator dominated era, especially on Gold, a Humal Sol rocks the match with his Widow, shattering my stupid taboos about this game. A little later I made the jump and never came back. In a sense, I owe to this pug. Getting better wasn't easy, I have dedicated dozens of hours training my HSol to roll, dodge, and shoot specific weapons from every corner of every map. But the game was enjoyable itself, I didn't care then. I also got pretty tired of the famous "GI" quote. HSol was 100% what I was looking for, within the game parameters of course. Huge damage potential -even on Platinum, insane crowd control, fast pace, superior mobility and tons of other little gameplay details that make big differences in the end. As for the solo, It was my first attempt, and time was not of the essence. I tried to save as many Thermal clips to make the extraction flashy and strangely, a lot of things happened that I cannot explain to this day. It was a pretty hectic and interesting run, I don't regret it. Luckily, our solo videos have been saved and categorized in the Platinum Hall of Fame thread, many thanks to the people who are still maintaining it. Forget about the Bumblebee argument, find what you're looking for and stick to it. Make it work. It will work, because the game was designed to. Lastly I feel honored for mentioning me, thanks. If you are on Pc and you love the Claymore, we can go hunting. It will be fun, I promise. |
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Post by DistigousForest on Jul 16, 2017 21:09:52 GMT
So... Basically, what you're saying is... Claymoar. And I fucking wholeheartedly agree! It's not you man, it's the Saber that has shitty accuracy without MM. It's supposed to be a marksman's gun, for fuck's sake... That's true. The Saber does seem to miss a lot, when you rapid fire it without MM when shooting at a humanoid enemy. Although when I tested it by firing at a wall all shots seem to go where I point. It some kind of Crusader shenanigans, I dunno Putting on a Thermal Scope fixes it, but can lead to tunnel vision if you stay scoped for 8-14 shots. It's the damn bloom with that funky crosshair since it gets so wide the bullet can go anywhere within it, and god help you if you're moving too. If the crosshair was more akin to the Crusader or even a small circle, maybe something like the Halo 4 DMR (very similar weapons, see below video for it's bloom) I think it'd help a lot. |
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Post by muahmuah on Jul 17, 2017 7:37:32 GMT
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Post by inert on Jul 17, 2017 16:43:08 GMT
HSol + Claymore is my favourite kit in this game, and the HSol can be built in lots of different ways. It's good we have three of them. Claymore build - Only controversial choice is Power Damage over Headshots. I find the Claymore does enough native damage at least on Gold, to not require the extra headshot damage. Grenades now perform slightly better. I'd change this if I was playing Plat only. Mission_Scrubbed sacrifices some fitness for a few ranks in Concussive shot. No argument to the power's utility, but I find it interferes with Adrenaline Rush too much for my playstyle. (Note: My playstyle is by no means on Scrubbed's level - just pointing out the difference in the build, is all). Tech Burst Build - A Tech Burst Build that can quickly be modifed to a Cryo Explosion build. Adas out, CSMG+Acolyte in. BF3 Armor Shredder - This is a bit of a hipster build, since it's definitely better as a Tech Bursting, Claymore using glass cannon. But I've always gone with sub-optimal builds and weapons just to have more fun. |
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Post by mordokai on Jul 17, 2017 19:28:52 GMT
Here's my take and probably where we differ a bit. If you go with Adrenaline Rush take damage on 4b as I feel, unless you're soloing, more damage is always better than a little DR. As for Frags I really like radius, always take bleed over more nades, and armor damage because you can make up that shield damage with Disruptor or Phasic (or high RoF weapons). For the Battlefield 3 Soldier, my only critique would be to swap Incendiary in favor of Disruptor. FE's have a 3 second timer on priming them meaning you're usually only getting the 1+6 FE from the ammo proc and Carnage detonation. However, if you take Disruptor there is no such timer and if you shoot>(AR)shoot>carnage>frag you'll always have a 6+6 FE following the 1+6 TB which is much better for damage output throughout the course of a match. Also, carnage has a fairly short priming period (2s I think) compared to other fire based attacks.
Most one shot weapons are really good with Adrenaline Rush so the Widow, Javelin, Mantis are all good. Nothing like a 4 shot Raider or Wraith too, Talon or Paladin are also good. For the CryoSol Acolyte would be the main in Platinum with choice of CSMG or Hurricane for bosses or slap an Arc Pistol on it. You can always try the Falcon, Scorpion, Lancer, Talon, or Paladin/Carnifex with it as well.
Those are valuable advice, worthy of consideration. Thanks for sharing. Any thought on my CS 4A/4B CS dilemma on HMS? Radius or damage? I'm sorry to disappoint you, I'm not a woman. My voice is not helping either. But strong imagination makes life so much better, and it's free. The avatar you mention is a cool pic I found online that resembles my ME2 femshep plus Claymoar -it goes without saying. Oddly enough, a pug showed me the HSol way. In an Infiltrator dominated era, especially on Gold, a Humal Sol rocks the match with his Widow, shattering my stupid taboos about this game. A little later I made the jump and never came back. In a sense, I owe to this pug. Getting better wasn't easy, I have dedicated dozens of hours training my HSol to roll, dodge, and shoot specific weapons from every corner of every map. But the game was enjoyable itself, I didn't care then. I also got pretty tired of the famous "GI" quote. HSol was 100% what I was looking for, within the game parameters of course. Huge damage potential -even on Platinum, insane crowd control, fast pace, superior mobility and tons of other little gameplay details that make big differences in the end. As for the solo, It was my first attempt, and time was not of the essence. I tried to save as many Thermal clips to make the extraction flashy and strangely, a lot of things happened that I cannot explain to this day. It was a pretty hectic and interesting run, I don't regret it. Luckily, our solo videos have been saved and categorized in the Platinum Hall of Fame thread, many thanks to the people who are still maintaining it. Forget about the Bumblebee argument, find what you're looking for and stick to it. Make it work. It will work, because the game was designed to. Lastly I feel honored for mentioning me, thanks. If you are on Pc and you love the Claymore, we can go hunting. It will be fun, I promise. Once again, please accept my humble apologies. No harm wasn't mean, hopefully, none was taken as well And as that scrub of the good doctor points out, I'm a dirty console peasant, unworthy of your glorious mustard race Thanks for the invite, you honor me, but sadly, I'll just have to continue shining light in the PS3 pugland It's a thankless job, but somebody has to do it and by this time, I consider myself something of a High Lord prophet. Damn you Deerber, look what you've done to me! P If you are on Pc and you love the Claymore, we can go hunting. It will be fun, I promise. No way.He is a poor console peasant. *sigh* Love ya too buddy Save |
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Post by DistigousForest on Jul 17, 2017 19:36:23 GMT
Those are valuable advice, worthy of consideration. Thanks for sharing. Any thought on my CS 4A/4B CS dilemma on HMS? Radius or damage? ... No way.He is a poor console peasant. *sigh* Love ya too buddy SaveI take damage for the Cryo Concussive Soldier build. |
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Post by Deerber on Jul 17, 2017 21:21:21 GMT
Here's my take and probably where we differ a bit. If you go with Adrenaline Rush take damage on 4b as I feel, unless you're soloing, more damage is always better than a little DR. As for Frags I really like radius, always take bleed over more nades, and armor damage because you can make up that shield damage with Disruptor or Phasic (or high RoF weapons). For the Battlefield 3 Soldier, my only critique would be to swap Incendiary in favor of Disruptor. FE's have a 3 second timer on priming them meaning you're usually only getting the 1+6 FE from the ammo proc and Carnage detonation. However, if you take Disruptor there is no such timer and if you shoot>(AR)shoot>carnage>frag you'll always have a 6+6 FE following the 1+6 TB which is much better for damage output throughout the course of a match. Also, carnage has a fairly short priming period (2s I think) compared to other fire based attacks.
Most one shot weapons are really good with Adrenaline Rush so the Widow, Javelin, Mantis are all good. Nothing like a 4 shot Raider or Wraith too, Talon or Paladin are also good. For the CryoSol Acolyte would be the main in Platinum with choice of CSMG or Hurricane for bosses or slap an Arc Pistol on it. You can always try the Falcon, Scorpion, Lancer, Talon, or Paladin/Carnifex with it as well.
Mind if I weight in a little? I don't mean to disrespect anyone, but I've got a fair bunch of experience with this game, so maybe I could spare some decent advice Taking DR on Adrenaline rush is actually a pretty sensible choice, especially if you're using a claymore. The only thing that little more damage will do is giving you a little more OHK range. Which is nice, but that DR can be life changing at times, so. Not clearly cut out, but I'd say definitely give DR some consideration. And everyone should know how low survivability is in my priority ranking, lol. As for nades, I personally prefer shield damage on them. Remember that the vast majority of spawn budget is depleted by mook kills i.e: shields. Get a couple of those frags in a mook spawn and you'll do a good bunch of damage with the shield evo. Definitely do NOT take disruptors on the BF3 unless you wanna bang your head against the screen multiple times a wave whenever you're fighting reapers. Do bring incendiary. Less explosions, but more powerful and MUCH more consistent. Just my 2 cents, peace  HSol + Claymore is my favourite kit in this game, and the HSol can be built in lots of different ways. It's good we have three of them. Claymore build - Only controversial choice is Power Damage over Headshots. I find the Claymore does enough native damage at least on Gold, to not require the extra headshot damage. Grenades now perform slightly better. I'd change this if I was playing Plat only. Mission_Scrubbed sacrifices some fitness for a few ranks in Concussive shot. No argument to the power's utility, but I find it interferes with Adrenaline Rush too much for my playstyle. (Note: My playstyle is by no means on Scrubbed's level - just pointing out the difference in the build, is all). Tech Burst Build - A Tech Burst Build that can quickly be modifed to a Cryo Explosion build. Adas out, CSMG+Acolyte in. BF3 Armor Shredder - This is a bit of a hipster build, since it's definitely better as a Tech Bursting, Claymore using glass cannon. But I've always gone with sub-optimal builds and weapons just to have more fun. I prefer to take 3 ranks in CS too. You don't lose much in terms of survivability, and CS does have some slight utility sometimes (phantom biatch, I'm looking at ya). But both that and 6 in fitness are perfectly fine choices. Here's my take and probably where we differ a bit. If you go with Adrenaline Rush take damage on 4b as I feel, unless you're soloing, more damage is always better than a little DR. As for Frags I really like radius, always take bleed over more nades, and armor damage because you can make up that shield damage with Disruptor or Phasic (or high RoF weapons). For the Battlefield 3 Soldier, my only critique would be to swap Incendiary in favor of Disruptor. FE's have a 3 second timer on priming them meaning you're usually only getting the 1+6 FE from the ammo proc and Carnage detonation. However, if you take Disruptor there is no such timer and if you shoot>(AR)shoot>carnage>frag you'll always have a 6+6 FE following the 1+6 TB which is much better for damage output throughout the course of a match. Also, carnage has a fairly short priming period (2s I think) compared to other fire based attacks.
Most one shot weapons are really good with Adrenaline Rush so the Widow, Javelin, Mantis are all good. Nothing like a 4 shot Raider or Wraith too, Talon or Paladin are also good. For the CryoSol Acolyte would be the main in Platinum with choice of CSMG or Hurricane for bosses or slap an Arc Pistol on it. You can always try the Falcon, Scorpion, Lancer, Talon, or Paladin/Carnifex with it as well.
Those are valuable advice, worthy of consideration. Thanks for sharing. Any thought on my CS 4A/4B CS dilemma on HMS? Radius or damage? I'm sorry to disappoint you, I'm not a woman. My voice is not helping either. But strong imagination makes life so much better, and it's free. The avatar you mention is a cool pic I found online that resembles my ME2 femshep plus Claymoar -it goes without saying. Oddly enough, a pug showed me the HSol way. In an Infiltrator dominated era, especially on Gold, a Humal Sol rocks the match with his Widow, shattering my stupid taboos about this game. A little later I made the jump and never came back. In a sense, I owe to this pug. Getting better wasn't easy, I have dedicated dozens of hours training my HSol to roll, dodge, and shoot specific weapons from every corner of every map. But the game was enjoyable itself, I didn't care then. I also got pretty tired of the famous "GI" quote. HSol was 100% what I was looking for, within the game parameters of course. Huge damage potential -even on Platinum, insane crowd control, fast pace, superior mobility and tons of other little gameplay details that make big differences in the end. As for the solo, It was my first attempt, and time was not of the essence. I tried to save as many Thermal clips to make the extraction flashy and strangely, a lot of things happened that I cannot explain to this day. It was a pretty hectic and interesting run, I don't regret it. Luckily, our solo videos have been saved and categorized in the Platinum Hall of Fame thread, many thanks to the people who are still maintaining it. Forget about the Bumblebee argument, find what you're looking for and stick to it. Make it work. It will work, because the game was designed to. Lastly I feel honored for mentioning me, thanks. If you are on Pc and you love the Claymore, we can go hunting. It will be fun, I promise. Once again, please accept my humble apologies. No harm wasn't mean, hopefully, none was taken as well And as that scrub of the good doctor points out, I'm a dirty console peasant, unworthy of your glorious mustard race Thanks for the invite, you honor me, but sadly, I'll just have to continue shining light in the PS3 pugland It's a thankless job, but somebody has to do it and by this time, I consider myself something of a High Lord prophet. Damn you Deerber , look what you've done to me! PNo way.He is a poor console peasant. *sigh* Love ya too buddy Save*assumes Krogan voice* I made you see the light, just as I was made to see it by another High Prophet. And you shall do the same for someone else in return. As for CS rank 4, easily settled... Don't take it to rank 4, lol If you really have to, I guess go for radius. |
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Post by DistigousForest on Jul 17, 2017 21:50:35 GMT
Here's my take and probably where we differ a bit. If you go with Adrenaline Rush take damage on 4b as I feel, unless you're soloing, more damage is always better than a little DR. As for Frags I really like radius, always take bleed over more nades, and armor damage because you can make up that shield damage with Disruptor or Phasic (or high RoF weapons). For the Battlefield 3 Soldier, my only critique would be to swap Incendiary in favor of Disruptor. FE's have a 3 second timer on priming them meaning you're usually only getting the 1+6 FE from the ammo proc and Carnage detonation. However, if you take Disruptor there is no such timer and if you shoot>(AR)shoot>carnage>frag you'll always have a 6+6 FE following the 1+6 TB which is much better for damage output throughout the course of a match. Also, carnage has a fairly short priming period (2s I think) compared to other fire based attacks.
Most one shot weapons are really good with Adrenaline Rush so the Widow, Javelin, Mantis are all good. Nothing like a 4 shot Raider or Wraith too, Talon or Paladin are also good. For the CryoSol Acolyte would be the main in Platinum with choice of CSMG or Hurricane for bosses or slap an Arc Pistol on it. You can always try the Falcon, Scorpion, Lancer, Talon, or Paladin/Carnifex with it as well.
Mind if I weight in a little? I don't mean to disrespect anyone, but I've got a fair bunch of experience with this game, so maybe I could spare some decent advice Taking DR on Adrenaline rush is actually a pretty sensible choice, especially if you're using a claymore. The only thing that little more damage will do is giving you a little more OHK range. Which is nice, but that DR can be life changing at times, so. Not clearly cut out, but I'd say definitely give DR some consideration. And everyone should know how low survivability is in my priority ranking, lol. As for nades, I personally prefer shield damage on them. Remember that the vast majority of spawn budget is depleted by mook kills i.e: shields. Get a couple of those frags in a mook spawn and you'll do a good bunch of damage with the shield evo. Definitely do NOT take disruptors on the BF3 unless you wanna bang your head against the screen multiple times a wave whenever you're fighting reapers. Do bring incendiary. Less explosions, but more powerful and MUCH more consistent. Just my 2 cents, peace I prefer to take 3 ranks in CS too. You don't lose much in terms of survivability, and CS does have some slight utility sometimes (phantom biatch, I'm looking at ya). But both that and 6 in fitness are perfectly fine choices. *assumes Krogan voice* I made you see the light, just as I was made to see it by another High Prophet. And you shall do the same for someone else in return. As for CS rank 4, easily settled... Don't take it to rank 4, lol If you really have to, I guess go for radius. No worries at all, I like seeing how others approach the game . Here are my reasons for speccing the way I do: I can see DR vs. damage being a push for AR, I've tried both and I never really noticed a difference from the times I've taken 4A. It's been so long since I've specced it that way so I don't even miss it tbh. I used to use incendiary all the time on the BF3 and while it does help with the Reaper armor, the majority of mook and even captain level enemies (Geth, Cerby, Trolls) have shields and/or barriers, which IA does nothing for. Do I lose out on the wacky IA/Carnage interaction vs. armor and some DoT ticks? Certainly, but the constant and consistant TBs and FEs I can do make up for that, plus free stuns most of the time. For example, I can go Shoot>(AR)Shoot>Carnage(TB)>Frag(FE)>Shoot>Frag(TB) and by that time AR should be off cooldown and I can repeat that all game. Here is the thread that changed my mind, just swap the Claymore instead of the Striker/Venom. Of course it kind of sucks for team play since my Disruptor rounds are overriding other stuff, but I'll just chill at another part of the map if that's the case. Shield vs. Armor damage for nades is probably more of a personal choice, I'm taking Disruptor so I can get a TB, therefore I feel the extra shield damage isn't really needed from frags. I think Disruptor is a really underrated ammo and doesn't get enough love. |
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Post by HamleticTortoise on Jul 18, 2017 6:20:12 GMT
[...] No worries at all, I like seeing how others approach the game . Here are my reasons for speccing the way I do: I can see DR vs. damage being a push for AR, I've tried both and I never really noticed a difference from the times I've taken 4A. It's been so long since I've specced it that way so I don't even miss it tbh. I used to use incendiary all the time on the BF3 and while it does help with the Reaper armor, the majority of mook and even captain level enemies (Geth, Cerby, Trolls) have shields and/or barriers, which IA does nothing for. Do I lose out on the wacky IA/Carnage interaction vs. armor and some DoT ticks? Certainly, but the constant and consistant TBs and FEs I can do make up for that, plus free stuns most of the time. For example, I can go Shoot>(AR)Shoot>Carnage(TB)>Frag(FE)>Shoot>Frag(TB) and by that time AR should be off cooldown and I can repeat that all game. Here is the thread that changed my mind, just swap the Claymore instead of the Striker/Venom. Of course it kind of sucks for team play since my Disruptor rounds are overriding other stuff, but I'll just chill at another part of the map if that's the case. Shield vs. Armor damage for nades is probably more of a personal choice, I'm taking Disruptor so I can get a TB, therefore I feel the extra shield damage isn't really needed from frags. I think Disruptor is a really underrated ammo and doesn't get enough love. I wholly agree. Tech burst might be the least damaging type of explosion, but the fact that disruptor ammo primes on everything, and can reprime right away on the same target, more than offsets this. SMR used to wonder if the lack of visual impact of tech bursts was contributing to them being undervalued, and I think there is a point there. Plus, it staggers mooks! It works as a kind of mini-overload for kits that don't have that awesome power! I have begun to use disruptor ammo on many kits that don't have reliable self-detonating combos (e.g. QFE, SE (non-geth), BatSent) and I am amazed by how well it works. As for HSol, my cryo soldier build is actually a hybrid build, combining both AR and CS; I have used it for soloing (specifically, for the infamous Ash challenge from the N7 series...), which explains my defensive choices in AR and going 6 ranks in fitness. AR is such a useful power, even if I go fully cryo soldier, I use it occasionally: to stop DoT, immediately begin recharging the Lancer (or double tapping another gun), increasing damage against a stationary banshee/bubbled pretorian; the cooldown on CS is so short, AR is basically always ready to go. Adrenaline Rush, never leave home your HSol without it! This build works really well for tech bursts too. I sacrifice a ton of damage by only taking 3 ranks in the grenades, which function here as a sort of panic button, but I like the versatility of this build enough that I consider it a small price to pay - plus the other HSol is a classic AR double tapping, grenade tossing dps monster anyway Beside the Lancer (always fun), I found the Talon to do really well. Honestly, most weapons that pack a bit of a punch will do here; you will trash mooks no matter what, but need some dps against bosses that can block your powers. |
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Post by muahmuah on Jul 18, 2017 8:06:52 GMT
Everything depends from the character, difficult and host.On gold,incendiary ammo is better choice most of the time with many exceptions tho.On plat if you are on host, disruptor is better choice with few exceptions,but not much.Off host they are pretty even and depends from the weapon and the character.As for the soldier/claymore combo,incendiary ammo is better for him on gold and plat off host,but plat on host everything else is better than incendiary, except perhaps explosive ammo. I use nadeless soldier with wraith and disruptor ammo.Female soldier is CSless and with claymore+AP,disruptor or incendiary ammo(yes depends from the host). |
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Post by DistigousForest on Jul 18, 2017 10:30:55 GMT
[...] No worries at all, I like seeing how others approach the game . Here are my reasons for speccing the way I do: I can see DR vs. damage being a push for AR, I've tried both and I never really noticed a difference from the times I've taken 4A. It's been so long since I've specced it that way so I don't even miss it tbh. I used to use incendiary all the time on the BF3 and while it does help with the Reaper armor, the majority of mook and even captain level enemies (Geth, Cerby, Trolls) have shields and/or barriers, which IA does nothing for. Do I lose out on the wacky IA/Carnage interaction vs. armor and some DoT ticks? Certainly, but the constant and consistant TBs and FEs I can do make up for that, plus free stuns most of the time. For example, I can go Shoot>(AR)Shoot>Carnage(TB)>Frag(FE)>Shoot>Frag(TB) and by that time AR should be off cooldown and I can repeat that all game. Here is the thread that changed my mind, just swap the Claymore instead of the Striker/Venom. Of course it kind of sucks for team play since my Disruptor rounds are overriding other stuff, but I'll just chill at another part of the map if that's the case. Shield vs. Armor damage for nades is probably more of a personal choice, I'm taking Disruptor so I can get a TB, therefore I feel the extra shield damage isn't really needed from frags. I think Disruptor is a really underrated ammo and doesn't get enough love. I wholly agree. Tech burst might be the least damaging type of explosion, but the fact that disruptor ammo primes on everything, and can reprime right away on the same target, more than offsets this. SMR used to wonder if the lack of visual impact of tech bursts was contributing to them being undervalued, and I think there is a point there. Plus, it staggers mooks! It works as a kind of mini-overload for kits that don't have that awesome power! I have begun to use disruptor ammo on many kits that don't have reliable self-detonating combos (e.g. QFE, SE (non-geth), BatSent) and I am amazed by how well it works. As for HSol, my cryo soldier build is actually a hybrid build, combining both AR and CS; I have used it for soloing (specifically, for the infamous Ash challenge from the N7 series...), which explains my defensive choices in AR and going 6 ranks in fitness. AR is such a useful power, even if I go fully cryo soldier, I use it occasionally: to stop DoT, immediately begin recharging the Lancer (or double tapping another gun), increasing damage against a stationary banshee/bubbled pretorian; the cooldown on CS is so short, AR is basically always ready to go. Adrenaline Rush, never leave home your HSol without it! This build works really well for tech bursts too. I sacrifice a ton of damage by only taking 3 ranks in the grenades, which function here as a sort of panic button, but I like the versatility of this build enough that I consider it a small price to pay - plus the other HSol is a classic AR double tapping, grenade tossing dps monster anyway Beside the Lancer (always fun), I found the Talon to do really well. Honestly, most weapons that pack a bit of a punch will do here; you will trash mooks no matter what, but need some dps against bosses that can block your powers. It wouldn't suprise me if the hard to notice visuals of TBs make them less desirable, they do have the largest radius of all the explosions afaik but also the least damage. It's probably harder to see during team play, but I have no issue seeing the TB go off and zap stuff within its radius. It's more of a lightning effect than a spherical one like BEs and FEs. The last time Clyde and I played he mentioned that Disruptor is super underrated and doesn't get enough love compared to the other ammo powers, and I'm inclined to agree. I've started throwing it on most kits I would've used IA and I can understand where he's coming from. Sure it doesn't have the damage that IA does, but it makes up for that with stunning basically everything (IA needs enemy to get to health before fire freakout kicks in, only primes armor/health) that isn't a boss and its priming ability, which is the main reason people don't like it since it overrides. That hybrid build certainly looks interesting, I'll have to give it a try at some point. muahmuah, why does host matter for IA over Disruptor? I rarely host so I'd like to know your reasoning. |
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I also use the double-shots Claymore build with the male human soldier. Generally armor piercing rounds are the best for this weapon but lately I played him a little like with the BF3, with elemental ammo and the bonus power evo in Adrenaline Rush. It's good too, but, unless maxing Concussive Shot, I'm not sure it's worth loosing the raw damge of AP rounds. I always keep 3 ranks in CS though, it's a good anti-panic button and useful to make Phantoms use their bubble.
As for Adrenaline Rush, I take damage at rank 4, the more one-hit kill capabilities, the better with a Claymore in hands. Besides, I never really felt the need for damage reduction with this character.
For the Cryo soldier build, yes, the Acolyte is the best weapon for him. I take damage at rank 4 of CS, I find it makes a noticeable difference versus bosses. With a longer cooldown, I would probably take radius, but CS is really a power you can spam constantly so you don't loose too much crowd control abilities (which are also covered by Frag grenades anyway).
For the BF3, I use disruptor rounds on him. The shoot-shoot, Carnage for tech burst, Frag for fire explosions is one of the best sequence in the game. I'm really not convinced incendiary is more effective on him. Of course, disruptor doesn't add any damage to armor, which is partly compensated by its ability to prime against everything and the aformentioned possibility to chain explosions. Stopping Banshees in 1-2 shots is nice too. Logically, I use armor damage for the rank 6 of Frag grenades, since I deal with shields and barriers with disruptor.
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Post by muahmuah on Jul 18, 2017 13:16:28 GMT
I wholly agree. Tech burst might be the least damaging type of explosion, but the fact that disruptor ammo primes on everything, and can reprime right away on the same target, more than offsets this. SMR used to wonder if the lack of visual impact of tech bursts was contributing to them being undervalued, and I think there is a point there. Plus, it staggers mooks! It works as a kind of mini-overload for kits that don't have that awesome power! I have begun to use disruptor ammo on many kits that don't have reliable self-detonating combos (e.g. QFE, SE (non-geth), BatSent) and I am amazed by how well it works. As for HSol, my cryo soldier build is actually a hybrid build, combining both AR and CS; I have used it for soloing (specifically, for the infamous Ash challenge from the N7 series...), which explains my defensive choices in AR and going 6 ranks in fitness. AR is such a useful power, even if I go fully cryo soldier, I use it occasionally: to stop DoT, immediately begin recharging the Lancer (or double tapping another gun), increasing damage against a stationary banshee/bubbled pretorian; the cooldown on CS is so short, AR is basically always ready to go. Adrenaline Rush, never leave home your HSol without it! This build works really well for tech bursts too. I sacrifice a ton of damage by only taking 3 ranks in the grenades, which function here as a sort of panic button, but I like the versatility of this build enough that I consider it a small price to pay - plus the other HSol is a classic AR double tapping, grenade tossing dps monster anyway Beside the Lancer (always fun), I found the Talon to do really well. Honestly, most weapons that pack a bit of a punch will do here; you will trash mooks no matter what, but need some dps against bosses that can block your powers. It wouldn't suprise me if the hard to notice visuals of TBs make them less desirable, they do have the largest radius of all the explosions afaik but also the least damage. It's probably harder to see during team play, but I have no issue seeing the TB go off and zap stuff within its radius. It's more of a lightning effect than a spherical one like BEs and FEs. The last time Clyde and I played he mentioned that Disruptor is super underrated and doesn't get enough love compared to the other ammo powers, and I'm inclined to agree. I've started throwing it on most kits I would've used IA and I can understand where he's coming from. Sure it doesn't have the damage that IA does, but it makes up for that with stunning basically everything (IA needs enemy to get to health before fire freakout kicks in, only primes armor/health) that isn't a boss and its priming ability, which is the main reason people don't like it since it overrides. That hybrid build certainly looks interesting, I'll have to give it a try at some point. muahmuah , why does host matter for IA over Disruptor? I rarely host so I'd like to know your reasoning.I was talking for plat and cerb gold,but forgot to mention.Off host phantrolls are easy with any type of ammo.Try on host incendiary Claymore and you will understand. |
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Post by DistigousForest on Jul 18, 2017 13:40:00 GMT
It wouldn't suprise me if the hard to notice visuals of TBs make them less desirable, they do have the largest radius of all the explosions afaik but also the least damage. It's probably harder to see during team play, but I have no issue seeing the TB go off and zap stuff within its radius. It's more of a lightning effect than a spherical one like BEs and FEs. The last time Clyde and I played he mentioned that Disruptor is super underrated and doesn't get enough love compared to the other ammo powers, and I'm inclined to agree. I've started throwing it on most kits I would've used IA and I can understand where he's coming from. Sure it doesn't have the damage that IA does, but it makes up for that with stunning basically everything (IA needs enemy to get to health before fire freakout kicks in, only primes armor/health) that isn't a boss and its priming ability, which is the main reason people don't like it since it overrides. That hybrid build certainly looks interesting, I'll have to give it a try at some point. muahmuah , why does host matter for IA over Disruptor? I rarely host so I'd like to know your reasoning.I was talking for plat and cerb gold,but forgot to mention.Off host phantrolls are easy with any type of ammo.Try on host incendiary Claymore and you will understand. Turns out my reading comprehension is bad first thing in the morning and misread the whole thing lol. |
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Post by MrsFlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyingKebab on Jul 18, 2017 15:48:06 GMT
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Post by crashsuit on Jul 18, 2017 17:02:08 GMT
Hang on a second, I just realized, shouldn't this be titled "all four of them"?
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Post by MrsFlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyingKebab on Jul 18, 2017 17:20:36 GMT
Hang on a second, I just realized, shouldn't this be titled "all four of them"? Aye! Male, female, Battlefield bloke, and tanky shoulder pewpew guy! I always forget the orange sunburn dude! |
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Admittedly, it wasn't the fastest and that was stated plainly. But it was the first platinum solo(maybe solo in general even) of human soldier I ever saw. And it had Claymore... one weapon I haven't tried on her yet. And it was damn fun to watch! Mission_Scrubbed was kind enough to share her(for some reason, I imagine MS to be female... might have to do something with avatar... in any case, apologies if I'm wrong) build in the commentary. And I said to myself, what the eff, might as well give it a shot. I shamelessly copied her build, down to the color scheme.
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