Discussion on fixing the mess created by bloated manifest in 1.09

Honestly, I would be happy with two simple changes:

1. Collapse all 10 ranks of each gun into one that gives you full bonus, with some way to compensate those who unlocked a lot of ranks in mission funds
2. Add another daily and a couple of weeklies with more MF to help with bypassing the RNG to a degree

i do like the idea of translating the challenges into upgrades to the gun you are actually using though.

Mattock Syphon III is my highest progressed Weapon, heh.

1. Get rid of these fucking variants. Make them mods.
2. Get rid of 'S' weapons or make them unique variants of their bronze counterparts (I.E. full auto Predator, burst fire Katana)

Always up for discussion.  However I feel that you misread my post.  I fully agree that rolling back any changes made will make a lot of people angry (and reasonably so).  Instead I sought ways for people who still has not obtained their maximum manifest (barring people with "rich Volus uncles"), this is overwhelming majority of the population) to reduce the amount of time they need to spend getting trash cards they don't care about or will never use while keeping them playing.  Overall I am trying to get people to come up with ideas that will stop or at least slow down the bleeding of players from this game and keep the entry level reasonable for any new players.

1.  I play exclusively platinum when I can find the lobbies.  The "bloat" I mention is not "lot of cards" its "lots of nearly useless cards".  And I am not suggesting removing the bloat.  I suggest ways of making bloat into a more useful and organized manifest expansions.  Currently ranks II through X of siphon weapons is bloat.  Bulwark weapons are largely bloat.  Concussive weapons are useful on-host only.  I am not asking BW to make them go away.  I am looking for idea on how to make useless crap more useful.

2.  It will not impact them at all.  An XX Avenger simply becomes a X:X avenger.  Same stats as now, same card as now.  All my proposals suggest is a way of using another methods of making some characters useful.

3.  Of course its about $$.  But you can't make $$ if you have no players.  Nearly three fold increase in manifest size coupled with the fact that most of additions are useless are making players quit.  I want to get an idea for stopping people from quitting and maybe bringing some players back.  The fact that it took me over half hour to fill a platinum lobby in the middle of the weekend is an issue.  By keeping players in game, more people will be willing to spend real money.  A rich player who has noone to play with will not play either, nor will he spend any money on a dead game.

I don't even know where to start.The new guns are duplicates(wtf),the updates have been lacking(for lack of a better word),the game just got old and repetitive way too fast.I'll probably never reinstall it again.

Couldn't give a shit about "people being angry" with a rollback of a retarded idea. The existence of this bloat is in itself infuriating. It's made much of the community lose interest or just outright quit. Why not roll it back or reduce the fat? Switch it up and add new stuff. I honestly wouldn't have an issue if these were all new guns and characters. That's what made ME3MP was so great in content.

ah, please excuse my pussheadedness... :srs: On the surface I comprehended more complaint than a thirst for an overall solution being lead on by the word "mess" in the title. If overall fix is what your going for, I've actually already given some insight on my ideas in this thread.

The game has quite a few issues that are "experience shattering." But without a doubt, every gun being a potential favorite would stabalize the remaining community. (perhaps even attract some back) The manifest bloat as you even notice is a burden, because uselessness being increased is just more uselessness. But if every gun served an awesome purpose as say your favorite gun, that bloat would turn into $$$ for bioware and a pleasant welcome for the playerbase. I actually am reverse effected by the manifest increasing simply because of this issue. I actually don't even care about weapons besides URs, so getting a bunch of rares x30 more I don't use just came off as something gold to look at while I hoped for red. As I read in another post I don't even bother to flip cards unless they are red. Being more openminded though I can see how someone who doesn't realize almost all rares are crap and some useless would feel.

ME3 had it done right with some weapons being fantastic against armor/shield/barrier/health, and others having hidden melee bonuses and such. I feel bioware "catered to the casuals" to simple things, yet shot themselves in the foot because by doing so, made the game bland and difficulty being an increase in damage rather than challenges and fun. But..... that is the path of the casual .

To positive things up though, I would overhaul every single weapon in the game not just in damage, but melee bonuses, headshot bonuses, damages to H/A/S, stagger effects, priming effects. ect. Keep in mind though, no additions to this game will make it more popular, the game needs to be balanced and fixed before additions
Flamethrower weapon that fire primes without the need for ammo. (lightning/cryo types as well)
Increase on the explosive distance of all AoE weapons (I rarely see falcon hitting more than 1 enemy...great on destroyers, but everything else....)
ADJUST THE GOD DAM VENOM.... :wtf:
ME3 things we need NOW
Bring back arc/flame/ice/biotic grenades
Bring back different races, (already made up crap about batarians to include them in MP..) or even better, MAKE UP SOME MORE, we are in a new galaxy and we have 2 new races... DUDE.... lol Collector in ME3MP.... WHO DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY AS A KETT RIGHT NOW? Make up some crap about his genetics being changed but mind retention (don't hit me in the head I haven't gotten past Eos so I don't know lore on kett)
Could even say that the quarians created a new form of A.I. geth platforms who could be controlled by S.A.M like E.D.I.
Need pylons, shield paladins, juggernaut walls.

Small things like these are what make a game fun. Shyt a kett that bunkers down behind cover and takes control of a radio like drone that can go around sticking to enemies and blowing up, would absolutely drive the kids playing this game wild.

Now I don't know what Bioware has planned for MEAMP, but some bland recycled stuff isn't going to stop the cancer killing the MP right now. At the moment thought, the future is looking very very paperweight for bioware.

My suggestion would be: Take weapon variants out of the normal loot table and put them into seperate store packs to be bought either for ingame credits or Andromeda Points. One 20k Pack for Uncommon Variants and a 50k and 100k pack for Golds and Ultra-Rares respectively. That way nothing gets lost and not much has to be changed.

Fixing the additional ranks of variants to provide real benefit is a whole other problem though. Honestly, I don't see them being able to fix the weak point issues off-host - as long as that problem persists, Concussive weapons are more than pointless.

Keep the variants. The salt is delicious.

Hmm, pointless brainstorm thread. Ok, i'll bite:

I think changing what we have is pretty hard and can easily be unfair for those that progressed a lot in it anyway.

But i think the core issue is the rng factor, and that bioware had the right ideea with reserves/arsenal packs. So that's where i would tweak things a bit. Not remove the rng altogether, but i would make a sort of a "voting system", where you would select a weapon or character you would like to focus on, and each roll that doesn't result in the desired card would increase the chances of it being drawn in the next pack. This way you would feel you aren't wasting credits/money even if you pull a concussive katana s ix, and the weight of the vote could be tweaked by bioware as desired. Eventually, just like expert packs of old, there could be a limit: if by 10 weapon cards drawn you haven't received the card you selected, gaurantee it. The voting weight could also take into account the rarity of the cards. You would have more chances of getting the selected asari hunter than asari duelist, for example.

This would allow ppl to focus on building certain builds they want without feeling powerless by being unable to have a say in what they receiveve. It would not eliminate the grind, just lower it. Hell, they can even tweak things even further: if you select a voting package, you get to draw one less card compared to picking a full rng pack.

(And, ofc, i do not mean every time you open a pack you get to vote what you desire and then roll the dice, that would be tedious. Allow ppl to "vote" by toggling the desired card in the char/weapon collection screen. Press space (or something) on the card, outline it in a different color to clearly show you have a selected preference, and then proceed to open as many packs as you wish with that selection remaining active untill changed by user or maxed out. Selected cards could also be shown in the store menu when u buy packs, to make it clear you opted in the voting system. This keeps the purchassing part unaffected or any more convoluted then it alreasy is. But this is besides the scope of a what-if thread, which i sadly think is what this will boil down to )

My 0.02$

That's a great idea. They pulled off weirder stuff in ME3MP & it was fun, so why not. Alas, the splinter faction

The game is already too sugary tbh for me to like it. The only way I'd have accepted that if


also, the very fact that there is a splinter group of kett means there can be another one with their own goals in mind, including heretics with a plan for alternative procreation or whatnot.

Well I agree it's somewhat annoying, maybe they should make those other variants worth the effort. Honestly the 60+ and counting respec's I have is far more annoying. Ultimately I don't care if they keep them or not, but I can say those types of things combined with the RNG store make me less likely to spend real world dollars. Maybe I'm an outlier but it's hard for me to believe this is the most effective strategy to raking in MP dollars.