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Post by phoray on Sept 24, 2016 5:03:23 GMT
So, this choice is interesting to me. You can essentially ruin your advisor's life merely for role play. There are no drawbacks to his having the addiction; unless you romance him. But with so many options to romance, this leaves a good chunk of people with no consequences in keeping him on the leash.
The dialogue choices for keeping him addicted point towards his being less distracted and more focused on being a general. But then his actions as a general get no worse or better either way.
Lots of questions: Did anyone actually keep him addicted for his benefit? Like, worried he may become ill from withdrawal and perish?
Or was it the focused Commander reasons?
Did you find it harder to RP a reason to do so more than the one time for the one usual "evil playthough" reason?
And more game choices as a whole, is it more interesting or does it make it harder to question whether you should when it's a companion as opposed to an NPC? Do you think his being a companion raised the stakes, and so fewer people kept him addicted?
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Post by xerrai on Sept 24, 2016 5:58:41 GMT
The only time I told him to keep on taking lyrium was when I was playing a traditionalist Trevelyan who valued a certain amount of efficiency from her commander. In her mind, if Cullen didn't take lyrium, he would loose his ability to effectively combat demons/mages and thus loose battle efficiency. The fact that he was obviously experiencing fatigue/withdrawal didn't help either.
But in that play through I basically told him to keep on taking lyrium at least until Cory was defeated, not to keep on taking it indefinitely. After all, it is his right to choose weather he wants to take the drug or not. I just advised him to do it after Cory is defeated.
That being said, the majority of my playthroughs encourage Cullen to fight his addiction. I usually feel bad if I tell him otherwise.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Sept 24, 2016 7:38:41 GMT
Only one of my Inquisitors so far has made him stay on in permanently, although a couple of the others made him wait until Corypheus was defeated, which has no negative consequences. She did it because she'd recently become a Templar herself, and there was no way she was going to admit that she might be making a huge mistake by taking lyrium. (She also encourage Bull to stay in the Qun. That girl was full of bad ideas.)
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Post by Catilina on Sept 24, 2016 10:05:13 GMT
So, this choice is interesting to me. You can essentially ruin your advisor's life merely for role play. There are no drawbacks to his having the addiction; unless you romance him. But with so many options to romance, this leaves a good chunk of people with no consequences in keeping him on the leash. The dialogue choices for keeping him addicted point towards his being less distracted and more focused on being a general. But then his actions as a general get no worse or better either way. Lots of questions: Did anyone actually keep him addicted for his benefit? Like, worried he may become ill from withdrawal and perish? Or was it the focused Commander reasons? Did you find it harder to RP a reason to do so more than the one time for the one usual "evil playthough" reason? And more game choices as a whole, is it more interesting or does it make it harder to question whether you should when it's a companion as opposed to an NPC? Do you think his being a companion raised the stakes, and so fewer people kept him addicted? As a "good" mage, I can't see any reason for keep him in lyrium addiction. Always I support his decision. Maybe as a not too good, non-mage I will try to choose his "benefit".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2016 10:11:54 GMT
I never put him on Lyrum, not even my nonsense Mage Lavellan would do it.. That is the only evil thing I'm incapable of doing; i like Cullen too much to make him do it..
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Post by phoray on Sept 24, 2016 13:28:30 GMT
Only one of my Inquisitors so far has made him stay on in permanently, although a couple of the others made him wait until Corypheus was defeated, which has no negative consequences. She did it because she'd recently become a Templar herself, and there was no way she was going to admit that she might be making a huge mistake by taking lyrium. (She also encourage Bull to stay in the Qun. That girl was full of bad ideas.) Does he actually stop after Cory?
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Sept 24, 2016 13:59:56 GMT
Does he actually stop after Cory? Yep. He's fine two years later and you get the same endings you get if you got him to quit sooner.
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Post by phoray on Sept 24, 2016 14:39:46 GMT
Does he actually stop after Cory? Yep. He's fine two years later and you get the same endings you get if you got him to quit sooner. Does he still break up with you? That waters down the decision even further doesn't it
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Sept 24, 2016 15:02:08 GMT
Yep. He's fine two years later and you get the same endings you get if you got him to quit sooner. Does he still break up with you? That waters down the decision even further doesn't it Sorry, I have no idea. I've only romanced him once, and that Inquisitor told him to get off lyrium right away. The Cullen thread probably knows!
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Post by LFS on Sept 24, 2016 15:17:46 GMT
I made him keep taking it once on a playthrough I could not even bring myself to finish because the character I had conceived was just so generally awful. Her whole thing was basically, "The Inquisition needs stability, so take it and deal with it". I've done a lot of questionable things in various games, but this felt like one of the worst; this sequence made me feel like a complete piece of crap: imgur.com/a/FXbDoUgh. I'm a monster! My personal canon Inquisitor is a Cullen-mancer, so obv won't make him take it, although I usually play it out as her being a) freaked out at the possibility that the withdrawal could kill him; resulting in disagreement that he should have done this; followed by c) swiftly backing down when he says he would serve on his own terms out of loyalty rather than obligation. It feels like enough of a compromise between her having worries while still allowing him his agency. On the one hand, I do think it's a bit of a missed opportunity that there is no real fallout from either choice throughout the rest of the game (besides the devastating Trespasser epilogue slides in the event that he's made to take it), and shunts the entire 'lyrium and its terrible effects on the templars' thing firmly into "tell, don't show" territory. At the same time--and for purely selfish reasons--I'm glad there isn't because I like the character and the romantic pairing so much.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Sept 24, 2016 17:20:16 GMT
Does he still break up with you? That waters down the decision even further doesn't it Sorry, I have no idea. I've only romanced him once, and that Inquisitor told him to get off lyrium right away. The Cullen thread probably knows! He doesn't break up if you tell him to take lyrium until Cory is dead
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Post by xerrai on Sept 24, 2016 18:27:22 GMT
I think in terms of "bad choices that make me feel bad", making Cullen keep on taking lyrium forever is almost at the same level as sacrificing the Bull's Chargers for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2016 18:42:42 GMT
I would never make him keep taking it, I support his descision right off. My question would be if you have him keep taking it till the end of tresspasser does he actually die, or is there a chance in DA4 for Rylen to find him on the streets and take him to Southreach for detox.
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Post by phoray on Sept 24, 2016 21:28:22 GMT
I would never make him keep taking it, I support his descision right off. My question would be if you have him keep taking it till the end of tresspasser does he actually die, or is there a chance in DA4 for Rylen to find him on the streets and take him to Southreach for detox. It would be nice to get a letter, similar to the Trespasser letters, of updates about our old characters. But I don't want more resources than that spent on it. I was thinking about my Cullenmance and how I kind of don't want her to go after Solas. She disbanded the Inquisition. I liked my sweet hero mage settling down, married. Pop out a couple of gorgeous Cullen babies and get to know his sister. She'd heavily regret being dragged out of her happy ending life into the fight with Solas. She feels responsible but...they just seemed so happy at the end of Trespasser.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Sept 25, 2016 4:45:23 GMT
I don't really RP as i play. I always just pick the answers/make the decisions that i like and make sense to me and i've never told him to keep taking it. For one, why would anyone who has half a brain encourage someone to continue taking drugs? Secondly, if he continues taking it he ends up on the streets, mentally ill and possibly dead. I keep thinking back to the cute Mabari he adopts in Trespasser. If Cullen is still on the lyrium that means he most likely sold the puppy for money to buy lyrium. Couldn't do that.
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Post by phoray on Sept 26, 2016 2:09:07 GMT
I don't really RP as i play. I always just pick the answers/make the decisions that i like and make sense to me and i've never told him to keep taking it. For one, why would anyone who has half a brain encourage someone to continue taking drugs? Secondly, if he continues taking it he ends up on the streets, mentally ill and possibly dead. I keep thinking back to the cute Mabari he adopts in Trespasser. If Cullen is still on the lyrium that means he most likely sold the puppy for money to buy lyrium. Couldn't do that. GEEZ, way to take a situation and make it seem even worse... It also never occurred to me that they'd actually follow through on it with epilogue slides either my first PT. Made me glad I'd kept him off it.
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