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Post by mousestalker on Aug 10, 2023 17:23:20 GMT
Season Finale (S02E10) I was right. It's the Gorn. The episode is dark, both thematically and literally. And it's a fricking cliffhanger. I hate cliffhangers. I just know they're going to break Pike's heart. [/spoil;er]
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Aug 10, 2023 23:32:23 GMT
And it's a fricking cliffhanger.
I was looking at the time left going, "you SoB's, you can't wrap this up by then."
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 11, 2023 2:09:35 GMT
Awesome Episode and finale! Don't have much more to say except: they should have let Pike say "return fire" before doing the "to be continued". It would have been so Best of Both Worlds. Oh, and maybe also this: I already like the new Scotty. He seems pretty close to Simon Pegg's interpretation of the character, I think. That's all really. Overall Season 2 was fantastic. There were a few little tiny things here and there but I'd really have to nitpick hard for complaints. Another 10/10 old school communicators (cause flipping them open is the best part) for this one from me.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Aug 11, 2023 5:06:07 GMT
One more thought on 2-10...
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 11, 2023 5:09:57 GMT
One more thought on 2-10... Yeah, I do agree that didn't quite feel right. I mean, they just destroyed a Starfleet ship. If that isn't an act of war, I don't know what is. I can only imagine that Starfleet really isn't in a position to fight a protracted war against the Gorn so shortly after the Klingon conflict, so they are doing everything to maintain a truce for now.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 14, 2023 4:36:45 GMT
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 14, 2023 16:08:28 GMT
So, I had been following this guy for a while after The Expanse ended because he kept coming up with new "information" from his sources about plans to put books 7-9 on screen but it was all usually pretty vague and early ideas and so far we haven't seen any of it.
I am getting the same vibes from this video. Even if this is all true and good info on his part, these are some recommendations of some marketing firm to some executives at Paramount. I doubt they are the only ones to give such recommendations. Who knows what the Paramount people will actually go with.
So I don't see anything here that one can really take seriously. I wouldn't mind if it were correct. As much as I love having so much Star Trek around lately, I can see the point about amrket saturation. I mean, this year alone, we got the rest of Prodigy, Picard season 3, SNW season 2 and now Lower Decks season 4. That is a lot of Trek in one year.
If it were true that they'd drop Academy and push Legacy, that would also be in my interest. I am not a fan of the academy idea but I would go for an Enterprise G series (if the writers up their game considerably after the narrativly very mediocre Picard series).
But all that said, again, I don't think this dude has anything more to offer in this video than some possible ways things could go. So we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Aug 14, 2023 17:34:50 GMT
f it were true that they'd drop Academy and push Lagacy, that would also be in my interest. I am not a fan of the academy idea but I would go for an Enterprise G series (if the writers up their game considerably after the narrativly very mediocre Picard series). I agree for the most part, Academy as a setting just sounds like they're trying to market a new generation of audience. Sure, fine, great, but as a premise it's not gripping me. As I understand it that didn't work out well for Prodigy trying to get the kids market either. (I wonder if we'll ever see S2.) I'd still watch Academy if it came out, but I'm much more interested in other ventures.
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I'd be very surprised if Matalas doesn't get greenlit for Legacy. The IMDB scores for S3 range from 8.2-9.4. That's insane for a third season of a show that had a godawful second season, 5.4-8.
He turned it around into something worthwhile. Still flawed, but entertaining. The fan engagement on reddit when s3 was airing was through the roof, more even than SNW. I imagine he's leveraging that well. He's got a lot of experience and a multi-season show under his belt. (12 Monkeys.)
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Non-sequitur; I wonder if we'll see any new Star Trek movies eventually. (Not the '09 Kelvin stuff.)
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Aug 15, 2023 7:03:04 GMT
One more thought on 2-10... Yeah, it was like: "No, you can't go get them. Yes, I know we literally sent them there on orders. Suckers."
I dislike Admiral April. I don't care how nice his baritone is. I dislike the situation more, though, cus I know they're probably acting like that cus they literally can't fight the gorn off if things pop off at this point. But still. Bleh. Non-spoiler review. We are musical fans and we liked it. A lot. And the Klingons were funny. I wasn't in this thread to comment at the time, but I want to second this. I loved the musical episode so much, I hope they find an excuse for a reprise in season 4 or 5. This does remind me, though, of something from the finale:
Spock seems to think that he did something wrong that he needed to apologize for? And Chapel also seemed to be anticipating his apology, meaning she also thought he has something to apologize for? But... I saw nothing the last time they spoke that Spock had to apologize for??? He says they fought last time they talked so was there some cut content that the writers forgot to correct the script for? Or are they truly trying to say Spock was somehow in the wrong in this relationship and how it ended?
I would assume a writing flub, at first, but then I remember the lyrics of his song and how he was trying to "solve for why" the relationship ended, and came to the conclusion he was the "variable" that answered that question, so he seems to already blame himself to at least some extent. (When he shouldn't, imo, but w/e.) So I'm really questioning whether we are actually supposed to see Spock somehow at fault for how things with Chapel went? Cus if we are, I don't see it.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 15, 2023 9:00:03 GMT
More to report then just the Strange New Worlds watched a little more Lower Decks on a lark because...well more on that in a minute I guess. But since I was actually watching it this stuff seemed pretty funny indeed and fun. The episode with the Tamarian was hilarious as hell, loved how Boimler got back on the Cerritos because of the transporter accident which made a clone of himself. We'll Always have Tom Paris was kind of a treat but a little underwhelming, loved the whole bit with the kazon...and the ship kind of neglecting and dismissing Boimler...and how Shax came back from the dead with narry a explanation. And I kind of could buy Mariner being a secret agent given how bad ass she actually is. Hegemony. For once a couple of notes here. I actually watched Arena last night in prep and maybe it is something that helped take me out of the mood but usually you can stretch things to make it so things that violate canon, at least from the fan perspective, does not actually violate canon...and yet it would be one hell of a stretch to see how Kirk was logging about the Gorn if the Federation wasn't as well aware of the Gorn as they have been from their episodes. So yeah for reasons not a lot to complain about per se canon is something but you shouldn't be a slave to it either if you want to tell a good story.
Which does bring me to another thing because noticed while watching Arena aside from the whole nonsense with the Metrons, an annoying TOS trope, these episodes have basically retold the same plot as Arena in regards to the Gorn so far. The tension between these being monsters, as I mentioned last season permissible targets, and being actual sentient creatures you can reason with. Pike himself brings up both perspectives in this episode and I'm here for it for the most part just again...retreading the same exact territory in a way.
And finally this episode is going to be such an odd one to review because it is a classic two parter where part one feels like slow set up and build up for the next episode...that being said its a tradition at this point.
So a couple of odd points to start off with
+/- Chapel being there was a surprise. Instantly it raised the stakes in a way and I like how they handled it in the episode overall but then wifey did say 'well we all know how this is going to go around for next season.' So yeah that comment stuck with me and I know its so BS and that one should be able to get out of it with good writing but maybe the writing did let it down this episode to. +/- Theme park planet outside of Federation juristiction. So its a good explanation on why the planet looked all like 'midwestern Americana' as they explained it. BUT this can be a weird Sci fi trope to do which I guess I'm mad about because I kind of want to do it too but on the flip side its also like...this is the Federation...perfect humanity...and yet you have a very human colony outside of the Federation...because plot...more thoughts on that later. +Anson Mount as Captain Pike. So if I was going to do my system I want to do or to borrow a phrase from Trek Culture this would likely be my 'latinum' up of the episode..in some ways...or at least like five for the price of one. And I kind of realized through this episode we haven't really gotten a Pike episode this season except for the one with the mind loss, he's been there, he's been present, but this is our first really big Pike episode on the season...man this show is weird why do I love it so much? But just terrific acting because this goes back his whole character arc and what they are doing. His empathy, his care for his crew, his goodness, his captain Americaness was in full display here because you see how he was struggling with his concern, perfect acting, loved how the crew was working through the issues with him and giving him ideas, both in the end of the ep and during when they first see the Cayuga. Wow I spelled that right. +Ethan Peck/ Spock. More greatness from him overall on his emotions display. More great acting as he is trying to work on his concern for Chapel so I did like the way they went with it. Nice zombie movie reference which helped set the mood for the rest of the episode. +Scotty. Here we go again its Paul Wesley all over again because uncanny valley effect here because does not act a lot like scotty, does not look a lot like Scotty...but then he does and is. +Getting over to the Cayuga. Neat visual effect and I loved Spock towing the pod... -Their plan was frickin stupid. So the Gorn would miss a shuttle..fun. But why wouldn't they notice the saucer careening towards the planet and blow it away. Why wouldn't it burn up from the rentry. And they make it very clear that they cannot actually scan the planet so they do not know what they are aiming at just the general location, which means not precision ordinance, and a huge hunk of metal crashes into the planet inaccurately and also does not kill any of the landing party who are right there. +Neat set piece though with the Gorn. First with Chapel coming across the thing and then the fight on the bridge with Chapel busthing the thing open and then getting away. Apparently according to Trek Culture Gorn can survive in space... + That transporter beam didn't look right. + That cliff hanger. So once again we come to it. Pike's compassion as he wrestles with the choices he has made and obviously wanting to go after his crew. Outnumbered, out gunned. Out everything...his crew taken. So what is he to do? And the bit of an asterisk with evertyhing going on feel like this could be the Best of Both Worlds moment. There are a lot of people on there, some we know the fates of...but not La'an or Ortegas. Also Batel's fate is wide open since the power on the Enterprise may be compromised...can you say Gorn in the sickbay? So about the whole Coyuga thing and Starfleet and the Gorn. As I mentioned it is kind of a weird set up to make this work.
But the overall thing is very Starfleet. They pulled this crap with the Cardassians. With the Dominions. Probably with the Klingons. The Federation is very conflict adverse so yeah this does track extremly well that they would throw their own ship to the Wolves like that. Plus this does track from the Gorn thing to and is something its established theat they do. Lay traps, test defenses, and this is obvious what they are doing here.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Aug 16, 2023 5:00:23 GMT
f it were true that they'd drop Academy and push Lagacy, that would also be in my interest. I am not a fan of the academy idea but I would go for an Enterprise G series (if the writers up their game considerably after the narrativly very mediocre Picard series). I agree for the most part, Academy as a setting just sounds like they're trying to market a new generation of audience. Sure, fine, great, but as a premise it's not gripping me. As I understand it that didn't work out well for Prodigy trying to get the kids market either. (I wonder if we'll ever see S2.) I'd still watch Academy if it came out, but I'm much more interested in other ventures.
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I'd be very surprised if Matalas doesn't get greenlit for Legacy. The IMDB scores for S3 range from 8.2-9.4. That's insane for a third season of a show that had a godawful second season, 5.4-8.
He turned it around into something worthwhile. Still flawed, but entertaining. The fan engagement on reddit when s3 was airing was through the roof, more even than SNW. I imagine he's leveraging that well. He's got a lot of experience and a multi-season show under his belt. (12 Monkeys.) I figured Legacy was a given? As long as it continues the writing quality of Picard Season 3, people will watch it. And by "writing quality" I mean focus on the story and not blatant socio-political commentary on "2024"... season 2 is not a hard bar to clear. lol Beyond w/e weird lasting effects the hivemind merge of starfleet had on those who experienced it (and Jack), can the Borg be done, now, though? Please? >_> Wanna bring the Cardassians/Dominion/any other antagonist back in, cool. But I am officially borg'd out. I don't even want to see Seven dealing with it anymore, at this point. She's faced off against the hive, she's a fully integrated psyche now, she's faced and handled discrimination. I feel like the borg origins really should be a minimal concern for her character at this point. Non-sequitur; I wonder if we'll see any new Star Trek movies eventually. (Not the '09 Kelvin stuff.) My dad was talking about how he'd love a movie with the SNW cast, so you're not alone. lol
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Aug 16, 2023 7:09:13 GMT
That dad has good instincts. 10/10 The fact that Ortegas and La'an have red shirts has not escaped me and I am doubly upset the Gorn have them for this. Especially Ortegas, since we know Sulu eventually replaces her. She's one of my favorite characters, dang it. I would say I hope they subvert the trope, but that would probably mean the Doc bites it and I like him, too.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 16, 2023 8:49:00 GMT
That dad has good instincts. 10/10 The fact that Ortegas and La'an have red shirts has not escaped me and I am doubly upset the Gorn have them for this. Especially Ortegas, since we know Sulu eventually replaces her. She's one of my favorite characters, dang it. I would say I hope they subvert the trope, but that would probably mean the Doc bites it and I like him, too. Yeah. Sorry for multiple posts... something weird was going on when I tried posting... Was getting a V5 message -kept trying and just noticed the multiples... -should be fixed now. Oh... Speaking of Red Shirts of the original time line...
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 16, 2023 16:15:57 GMT
-Their plan was frickin stupid. So the Gorn would miss a shuttle..fun. But why wouldn't they notice the saucer careening towards the planet and blow it away. Why wouldn't it burn up from the rentry. And they make it very clear that they cannot actually scan the planet so they do not know what they are aiming at just the general location, which means not precision ordinance, and a huge hunk of metal crashes into the planet inaccurately and also does not kill any of the landing party who are right there.
Ok, I may have to rewatch the episode but I thought the plan with the saucer wasn't that stupid: 1. The scanning and knowing where the jammer is: I thought they explained that they could simply see it visually on the planet. Didn't they have a short conversation how they saw the beacon and assumed that this was the jammer? For that matter, I rather find it weird that they cannot visually track the away team, at least as long as they are on the surface. They must have some cool future optics on that ship, no? 2. Hitting it with the saucer without the Gorn reacting: When they have the briefing with Uhura and Pelia, don't they say that they'll first just get the saucer into atmosphere and only then do some micro-adjustments to the trajectory when it's already on they way down to actually bring it down on the jammer? I thought they do this for exactly that reason, so the gorn wouldn't see it as a threat until it is too late. From my understanding, this was also why Spock thought he was the only one to adjust everything precisely enough, because with those late changes in trajectory, there is no margin for error. 3. I think it's pretty well established that Starfleet hulls is fairly resilient when it comes to barely controlled atmospheric entry. The saucer of the Enterprise D makes it to the ground of Veridian III without too may issues (ok, that's over 100 year later but still). The JJ Enterprise saucer made it to the surface relatively intact in ST: Beyond. The refit Enterprise in Search for Spock does seem to burn up but then, it's saucer seemed to explode by the self destruct pretty thoroughly already in space. I don't think it's much of a stretch to assume that they calculated that the relatively intact saucer here would no burn up. 4. Hitting the away team, yeah, that really should have been a concern. So apart from that last point, I don't have much of an issue with the plan. The fact that Ortegas and La'an have red shirts has not escaped me and I am doubly upset the Gorn have them for this. Especially Ortegas, since we know Sulu eventually replaces her. She's one of my favorite characters, dang it. I would say I hope they subvert the trope, but that would probably mean the Doc bites it and I like him, too. Well, M'Benga at least is a known TOS character, so unless they change things even more, he should be safe. The other two though...
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Post by KrrKs on Aug 16, 2023 17:42:59 GMT
If i could double like this, i would! Lunarbaboon is great, too bad that all of his new stuff is only on patreon. Regarding the SNW finale: When discussing the plan to crash that saucer segment into the jammer they said that the location of the jammer was far away from the settlement. And they assumed all of their crew(s) in that settlement. As for Crew: We know that M'Benga, Spock, Chapel, Uhura, and Scotty serve on the Enterprise with Kirk. Which does not necessarily mean that Ortegas and/or La'an get killed of.I still think/hope that the reason for the Bridge crew changes are that several of the Crew leave the Enterprise with Una, when she finally gets her own ship. That said, i still find it weird that the navigator has so little to say in the series. I can't even remember her name. Oh, and i completely forgot chief Kyle, also a redshirt who survived both Pike's and Kirk's command on the Enterprise!
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Post by colfoley on Aug 17, 2023 1:50:36 GMT
If i could double like this, i would! Lunarbaboon is great, too bad that all of his new stuff is only on patreon. Regarding the SNW finale: When discussing the plan to crash that saucer segment into the jammer they said that the location of the jammer was far away from the settlement. And they assumed all of their crew(s) in that settlement. As for Crew: We know that M'Benga, Spock, Chapel, Uhura, and Scotty serve on the Enterprise with Kirk. Which does not necessarily mean that Ortegas and/or La'an get killed of.I still think/hope that the reason for the Bridge crew changes are that several of the Crew leave the Enterprise with Una, when she finally gets her own ship. That said, i still find it weird that the navigator has so little to say in the series. I can't even remember her name. Oh, and i completely forgot chief Kyle, also a redshirt who survived both Pike's and Kirk's command on the Enterprise! Just a case of it looking closer though now tha tI am typing this Pike and co wasn't exactly in the settlement either.
Which does make it a heck of a risk still. They don't know *exactly* where Pike and crew were. They didn't know where any of the colonists were. And they didn't know where Chapel was or if there was any other survivors on the Cayuga's Saucer. Hell of a risk I would think in any normal circumstances to take but for Starfleet officers even more yikes.
Still on the other hand it was a rather neat plan actually using established science and tech to do the job rather then technbabble, they just got lucky.
That will be an interesting time and given how long she has been Pike's XO its kind of a thing of 'why hasn't she gotten a ship yet', though I would expect that plot development to happen closer to the end of the series. Though in a weird note to it is actually a rather huge mystery what happens to any of that bridge crew.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Aug 17, 2023 2:26:51 GMT
That will be an interesting time and given how long she has been Pike's XO its kind of a thing of 'why hasn't she gotten a ship yet' Una's captaincy? Blame Pike. "The loss to Enterprise would be unimaginable. To me." pouty face
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 18, 2023 6:16:17 GMT
Not necessarily SNW... Though it can be confusing especially for me now that I am playing SNW RTS game from years ago on PC Windows 10: Though wouldn't mind this being an actual cannon crossover:
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Post by colfoley on Aug 18, 2023 7:51:29 GMT
More thoughts on Hegemony. I forgot to add that I did like the bit from Spock and Chapel ended things off on this week. Yes, there is not a lot of logic behind Spock wanting to appologize AlleluiaElizabeth but I do still allow it since he isn't entirely logical right now in the first place, just going with whatever his feelings are taking him right now...which/or might also be the whole reason he feels like he wants to do it...because he is just in an emotionally compromised state in the first place which wouldn't be exactly comfortable for a Vulcan in the first place. And plus might've also thought he let his emotions get the better of him...all variations on the theme! But I do think it can work from an in character perspective. I've also been seeing a fair few comments in regards to Pike 'freezing up' memes and the like. I think its all in good fun but it might not be and also either way does inspire some conversation. As I've mentioned Pike is probably my favorite Trek character at this point (just check out the avatar) and while this is kind of uncomfotable to watch him go through this on the other hand it does also really add to his character overall...because we've never seen this in Star Trek before. Despite Starfleets renowned peace and exploration mantra, and despite the incomptency of the Admiralty and politicians, pretty much all Trek Captains have been hyper competent battlefield commanders. Even Picard, while his tactics were stupid as hell in TNG, he was always cool and collected under pressure. We've never seen a Captain who isn't exactly perfectly even keeled in combat so it does make sense...both from a Starfleet perspective...it also really matches his empathetic, peaceful nature, and its what Cornwall called out in Discovery season 2. The thing where it does stretch things for me is that A. he has an entire command crew working for him, yes he makes the ultimate decisions...especially to like whether or not they should retreat...but his own Command Crew should make up for areas where he's lacking. ANd I wish we'd see this more from Una and La'an...and we have at bits. We saw his crew almost directing itself during the battle with Control...but it could be more and B. he has also shown himself to be quite competent in some battles. Like Control or the first fight with the Gorn in season 1. It might be a little inconsistent. Plus its something I wonder if I wonder he will grow out of. Do also wonder if any of the spoilers I read affected my enjoyment of this episode any... As for thoughts on season 2 in general: Very little to complain about per se. Other then to echo statements I have made already. This is kind of an odd show. On the one hand I love this cast amongst the very best of Trek so far...but I also feel like we don't see a lot of them. In particular Una herself is probably the biggest case and point here. Even after her stellar arc in the beginning of the season culiminating in Ad Astra Per Aspara we basically saw nothing of her the rest of the season in terms of character. And yet, despite this, this cast is great and really helps drive this entire show forward. Other then that this season feels like a natural expansion on season 1. The first season set up a lot of the tropes of the show, season 2 has expanded upon them and let it feel more comfortable. The humor really hit for good, for the most part. The philosophical episodes continued on the tradition. Plus they also took a few huge risks with the formula...which also paid off. Episode List: 10. Tommorow and tommorow and tommorow. 9. Among the Lotus Eaters 8. Lost in Translation 7. Subspace Rhapsody 6. Hegemony 5. Under the Cloak of War 4. Charades 3. The Broken Circle 2. Those Old Scientists 1. Ad Astra per Aspera
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Aug 18, 2023 15:18:23 GMT
The fact that Ortegas and La'an have red shirts has not escaped me and I am doubly upset the Gorn have them for this. Especially Ortegas, since we know Sulu eventually replaces her. She's one of my favorite characters, dang it. I would say I hope they subvert the trope, but that would probably mean the Doc bites it and I like him, too. Well, M'Benga at least is a known TOS character, so unless they change things even more, he should be safe. The other two though... I had no idea he was in TOS. Ok, then. This... I'm not sure I feel better. XD Cus now its back to Ortegas and La'an.
But yeah. I mean, barring something weird happening, he lives. And won't necessarily even leave the show, apparently? The wiki says he steps down as chief medical officer, but is still aboard the Enterprise in Kirk's time. Not that they've portrayed the Enterprise crew as big enough to feasibly require two doctors AND Chapel, imo, but eh. TOS' set felt a bit more practical effects and grounded looking and I could buy it as an equivalent to an aircraft carrier a bit more, for some reason, so having multiple doctors makes sense. Maybe they need to show more than just Chapel and M'benga on staff in the med bay once in a while. Regarding the SNW finale: When discussing the plan to crash that saucer segment into the jammer they said that the location of the jammer was far away from the settlement. And they assumed all of their crew(s) in that settlement. As for Crew: We know that M'Benga, Spock, Chapel, Uhura, and Scotty serve on the Enterprise with Kirk. Which does not necessarily mean that Ortegas and/or La'an get killed of.I still think/hope that the reason for the Bridge crew changes are that several of the Crew leave the Enterprise with Una, when she finally gets her own ship. That said, i still find it weird that the navigator has so little to say in the series. I can't even remember her name. Oh, and i completely forgot chief Kyle, also a redshirt who survived both Pike's and Kirk's command on the Enterprise! Navigator? That's the girl next to Ortegas, right? I think its Mitchell, or something? XD But yeah, she has markedly few lines. I think her last real speaking part might have been a scene during the Uhura hallucination episode? colfoley I don't know about the memes, but if its referring to the end of the episode, I have two thoughts: 1. I don't think Pike being at a loss as to what to do when faced with the catch-22 at the end of the episode is particularly unrealistic. Its not like every other captain hasn't had a moment that threw them for a loop at some point. Maybe barring Kirk, but even him if you include movies and Kelvin. I mean... its an impossible situation and he needs a sec. /shrug
2. Meta-wise, its just there for tension before the "To Be Continued..." lol
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Post by skekSil on Aug 18, 2023 17:02:06 GMT
So I've watched the crossover episode and I have to ask: does that mean that in the Lower Decks time period an entire Galaxy is addicted to Orion Hurricanes?
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Aug 18, 2023 22:04:35 GMT
Or whoever the POV characters are in Lower Decks are always drunk on them?
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Post by colfoley on Aug 19, 2023 2:05:59 GMT
This is hillarious (spoiled image just in case.) b
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