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Post by phoray on Oct 3, 2017 13:38:31 GMT
WEll, the good conversation has petered out as of page 26 and now only trolls are coming into the thread. Thank you to all the non trolls for replying.I'm abandoning the thread, I've lost my interest in it. May it be buried 10 pages down and if not, I take no responsibility for trying to keep it on track.
Copied over from inappropriate location: Twitter Thread I think we all want a fully fleshed out breathing living stinking city. Others have stated that to have a brothel in Tevinter would be to take advantage of slaves, something beyond morally grey and drifting into black. Yet even in a realm where slavery is the bulk of the working class there are still brothels. For example, " Before the outbreak of the [civil] war, Nashville recorded 207 prostitutes." ~ Wikipedia, Sex in the American Civil War What if there is a whole portion of Tevinter population who do not want to have sex with a slave, because the idea disgusts them? Why would anyone devote costly slaves 100% to the boinking of anyone in an establishment when that's totally inefficient use of their time? Unless they're overly paid for their time, in the form of a Magister's Gentleman's Club. To completely scrub the existence of such a place even from casual mention seems to be sanitizing the setting. I'm not asking for perfect medieval representation here, I'm asking they return to what was in their first two games that allowed for immersion and the ability to roleplay a hedonistic morally grey character. The only reason I accepted the total lack of a Brothel in DAI was because we're forced to play a Religious Figure, live in out of the way places, and the only other city we get to visit is the high strung super gossipy Val Royeax and Redcliffe. So, yeah, I hope they give me a city with a market district with shops and a restaurant, a brothel, a courthouse, four kinds of neighborhoods to represent the social classes, the slave pens, a port.... I'm drawing a picture of an ENTIRE city here. Nobody was pleased to have a single market place and exactly two homes we could enter, with only one of them available if you side the Templars ala DAI Lack of an immersive world setting which would exclude a brothel could indicate, and worries me personally, that Pure Role Play opportunities will be reduced, just as they were in DAI. DAI was also a game that didn't have a very immersive world. Luckily for them, Origins and DA2 had already immersed me, so to me, DAI was riding on the coat tails of immersive world building of the prior two installments. But they've got to start being worried that folks playing DA4 won't have played the prior chapters and can't keep relying on handing you a novel via codexs to flesh out the world for you. And although I rarely used the brothel for it's prostitutes, I liked it existing. I especially liked how it realistically interacted with the Templar population in DA2. What I definitely want to return, in the sexual realm, was the casual sex encounters. Gheyna, Cammen, Iona, Isabella, Male Nobleman. Zevran and the other male elf in DA2. Flirtation with Teagan and Cullen in DAO. What say the rest of you?
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Post by phoray on Oct 3, 2017 13:49:05 GMT
Because I think we all want a fully fleshed out breathing living stinking city? And even in a realm where slavery is the bulk of the working class There are still brothels. For example, "Before the outbreak of the [civil] war, Nashville recorded 207 prostitutes." ~ Wikipedia, Sex in the American Civil War What if there is a whole portion of Tevinter population who do not want to have sex with a slave, because the idea disgusts them? Why would anyone devote costly slaves 100% to the boinking of anyone in an establishment when that's totally inefficient use of their time? Unless they're overly paid for their time, in the form of a Magister's Gentleman's Club.
To completely scrub the existence of such a place even from casual mention seems to be sanitizing the setting. I'm not asking for perfect medieval representation here, I'm asking they return to what was in their first two games that allowed for immersion and the ability to roleplay a hedonistic morally grey character. The only reason I accepted the total lack of a Brothel in DAI was because we're forced to play a Religious Figure and live in out of the way places and the only other city we get to visit is the high strung super gossipy Val Royeax and Redcliffe, which wasn't large enough to support a brothel. Well, of any size and note. I'm sure there were working ladies who were more call girls than the type to stand outside.
So, yeah, I hope they give me a city with a market district with shops and a restaurant, a brothel, a courthouse, four kinds of neighborhoods to represent the social classes, the slave pens, a port.... I'm drawing a picture of an ENTIRE city here.
But sure. LEt's just have a single market place and exactly two homes we can enter, with only one of them available if you side the Templars. That made everyone happy last game, didn't it. There's a difference between wanting a fully fleshed out breathing living stinking city and existence of brothels mattering from RP perspective or determining our character's morality. I mean, I'm not sure why you're turning this argument into 'there should be brothels, period, otherwise it'd be sanitizing the setting' when I'm not even arguing that point and focusing only on RP or character morality. You're conflating two different things at this point. Because even if we get full Amsterdam's Red Light District, we can't be sure whether we'd be able to do any RP there or would the existence of it matter at all, other than 'make the world look like breathing living stinking city'. Ultimately it depends what the game focuses on - and it's not just a matter of limited budget or development time. Like I said somewhere else, one can't ignore the narrative framing of the whole thing. In DA2, the brothel had narrative importance, having at least 2 quests there. One of them was very interesting, because blood mages, perhaps a branch of the mage underground, actually used it to infiltrate the Templar Order. I suppose I am "conflating" ? I feel like the RP opportunities for a hedonistic Inquisitor are zilch. And if I'm going to go to a place where magister's sons can go on drinking and whoring binges then I should be able to too. Shepard and Ryder can have a drinking problem. My Cousland and Hawke could have casual and paid sex on multiple occasions. And I usually hate people who compare Dragon Age to the Witcher, but now that I've played it, yeah. I want cities like that and people of all sorts in it. And the ability to be of* the population, not just above them.*Of, meaning, I could gamble with them, pay them to have sex with me, choose to have casual sex with them, punch them in fights, and wrestle their arms for money. Not just watch them do this amongst themselves from the side lines. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 14:10:42 GMT
I think that tweet is inconclusive and is more of a reaction to how the tweet by the fan was worded than actual "no brothels confirmed".
I liked quests in Brothels, and brothels under any other names (inns and tea houses) in all the previous games & if they can come up with content that is equally funny, cool and/or gritty, I'd love to see it. I also think that brothels and playhouses make great backdrops for infiltration missions and secret meeting places, and I hope for that theme to be present in Minathraus.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 3, 2017 14:31:08 GMT
There's a difference between wanting a fully fleshed out breathing living stinking city and existence of brothels mattering from RP perspective or determining our character's morality. I mean, I'm not sure why you're turning this argument into 'there should be brothels, period, otherwise it'd be sanitizing the setting' when I'm not even arguing that point and focusing only on RP or character morality. You're conflating two different things at this point. Because even if we get full Amsterdam's Red Light District, we can't be sure whether we'd be able to do any RP there or would the existence of it matter at all, other than 'make the world look like breathing living stinking city'. Ultimately it depends what the game focuses on - and it's not just a matter of limited budget or development time. Like I said somewhere else, one can't ignore the narrative framing of the whole thing. In DA2, the brothel had narrative importance, having at least 2 quests there. One of them was very interesting, because blood mages, perhaps a branch of the mage underground, actually used it to infiltrate the Templar Order. DA2 was a story of a decade spent in a city with a questionable reputation and a hefty, seedy underbelly. So this isn't just a 'narrative importance' of one brothel or the fact that you can find quests there - the existence of a brothel itself has relied on story allowing it to be there. It didn't exist in a vacuum. Your Cusland, and any other Warden, was a relative nobody slinking around war-torn country and Hawke was a relative nobody who lived in Kirkwall for a decade - and hardly anybody really cared about what they do. Hawke became a hero almost by happenstance while Warden used power of treaties instead of careful diplomacy, so not much they did in their spare time mattered, at least until they themselves became recognized as heroes very late in the games. So of course they could allow themselves to do more than effing Inquisitor. Like... aside from minor things in specific situations, what hedonistic opportunities would Inquisitor have, being at the helm of a large organization that everybody has eyes fixed on, when even romancing one of our companion makes people grumbling that we're wasting time bedding people instead of saving the world and makes nobles - who fund our efforts, btw - gossip their heads off? My Lavellan couldn't even dance with Solas in the Winter Palace in full view because dancing with an elven apostate could've sabotaged diplomatic opportunities. Unlike Hawke or Warden, Inquisitors couldn't have easily disappeared into dark alleys or indiscriminately murder/shag someone or use stuff like blood magic, because of the political position they held. And, barring some exceptions, if they've had something shady to do behind the scenes, they usually sent their spies or agents. Like I said - narrative framing. You can't ignore it, especially not in games following a long and elaborate storyline. Dragon Age ain't Skyrim - and you rolled your eyes at Skyrim and the fact that you have to headcanon a lot of things about your character. Well, that's what happens when the game spreads itself thin to give you any RP opportunity under the sun without paying much attention to the story it wants to tell, or its aim is different. You then have to play the character who is of population an not the above. Again - narrative framing. Nobody really cared what Geralt did in his free time. The fate of nations didn't depend on it, at least as far as general population was concerned. |
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 3, 2017 14:36:44 GMT
They were rather forgettable, in my opinion. I won't lose sleep over it if their not in DA4.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 3, 2017 14:39:07 GMT
So far as the morality of having a brothel in Tevinter is concerned, I think from the entry about Dorian in WoT2 that brothels are where Altus go when they don't want to involve the house slaves in indulging their sexual needs. After all slaves can always be made to talk and so going to a brothel would allow a degree of anonymity to their activities. It would also allow those who do have scruples about misusing their slaves to be able to enjoy themselves without feeling they are abusing anyone since they are paying someone for the service. That doesn't mean that the prostitutes may not be exploited but there are varied reasons why people might be using them. I think they would not necessarily be slaves since it would be a profession that anyone could participate in and it would be something in which a Magister could not necessarily price them out of the market by use of cheap labour (aka Krem's father) because a committed free person might well give a better service than a coerced slave.
However, I think they should vary from upmarket establishments near the better part of town, as with the Blooming Rose, to slightly more seedy establishment near the docks, like the Pearl, to the "house of ill repute in the elven slums" where Dorian was discovered by Alexius. The only thing I object to is the predominance of elves in such establishments, as though that is the only employment they can get, no one else wants to do it and people aren't interested in other races. Of course there is nothing to stop them also having prostitutes proposition you on the street, which is what used to happen in the Baldurs Gate series.
Of course these comments only apply if we do end up in a fully realised major city. If we are just given a small segment like with Val Royeaux then I really don't see the point so far as immersion goes since it would already have been reduced by not having the city properly fleshed out.
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Post by pinkjellybeans on Oct 3, 2017 14:46:35 GMT
I've said it on the Twitter Thread and I'll say it again. It's not the fact that we may not see brothels again in future DA games that worries me, is more of what this might mean for DA4 in general. I've seen other tweets coming from the developers and read interviews that seem to suggest they aren't interested in adding more dark elements to their games and basically go back to their roots. While DAI is very clean and tamed when comparing it to past games, it sort of makes sense in some situations. Like the Inquisitor being mostly a diplomatic goody two shoes that even if they refuse to believe in the Maker and that they are chosen, they are still expected to play along most of the times and do what is right. In this case I can understand if I can't go to brothels or just murder someone because I feel like it, but I very much doubt DA4 will have the same scale as DAI and the protagonist will have the same power and influence as the Inquisitor. So why not let us murder, torture and have sex with random people if we want? Why does this make the devs so uncomfortable? I will never understand it. If you can implement those things into the story in a way that makes sense (and if we're really going to Tevinter, there will be plenty of opportunities to do that) then why wouldn't you give us that opportunity to choose how we want our character to be and behave in a role-playing game?
If we truly go to Tevinter and this time they even manage to give us a proper city to explore, only for it to be sanitized for the sake of the poor souls who can't handle themes like slavery, prostitution, crime, poverty, etc. then honestly, don't bother. Might as well give us maps full of wilderness again. I'm not saying I want the cities to be nothing but filthiness and misery but those things absolutely need to be there. Not only does it give more opportunities for side content, NPC interaction and role-playing elements, it also helps the players to immerse themselves on the world, lore and story.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 3, 2017 14:49:29 GMT
Nobody was allowed to dance with their love interest until after the main action was over. It had nothing to do with Solas being an elven apostate. In fact it annoyed me that he was introduced as an elven servant considering there was no reason to give him a lesser status considering my Inquisitor was also an elf, although may be that is what he wanted considering I believe Sera was not introduced as such.
The Inquisitor might have raised less eyebrows indulging themselves at a brothel than they did openly romancing Dorian or Iron Bull. They were both scandalous relations that apparently they were able to get away with despite their important political position.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 3, 2017 14:55:45 GMT
Nobody was allowed to dance with their love interest until after the main action was over. It had nothing to do with Solas being an elven apostate. In fact it annoyed me that he was introduced as an elven servant considering there was no reason to give him a lesser status considering my Inquisitor was also an elf, although may be that is what he wanted considering I believe Sera was not introduced as such. The Inquisitor might have raised less eyebrows indulging themselves at a brothel than they did openly romancing Dorian or Iron Bull. They were both scandalous relations that apparently they were able to get away with despite their important political position. It had everything to do with Solas being an elven apostate or - more importantly - it being later used as potential leverage against Inquisitor or worse: put their lovers in even more of a harm's way. And I've given it as an example, because it was explicitly stated in the game, though I'm fairly sure similar reasons were why Inquisitor chose to save the dance out of sight of everyone. And I do like to point out that people indeed have concerns when it comes to image, especially if Inky hooks up with Dorian. Heck, even being friends with the Vint produces concerned comments from Mother Giselle and Cassandra. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 3, 2017 14:59:36 GMT
If the writers are trying to get back to their roots then surely that means games like in the Baldurs Gate series. That had fully realised cities like Baldurs Gate and Athkala, with both the better parts of town and the seedy underbelly. It has nothing to do with making the series less dark leaving out such elements but sanitising the setting. I say this as someone who isn't that bothered about my character actually being able to use brothels but acknowledging that in the sort of medieval setting we are meant to be in that would have existed.
In Baldurs Gate 2, as in DA2, the prostitutes were actually involved in one of the plots, helping the hero identify where the villain might have come from because they were in a position to know what was going on out on the streets. Thedas has yet to deliver a city as well realised as Athkatla was with its multitude of fully fleshed out districts with distinctive music to go with them.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 3, 2017 15:08:58 GMT
I don't recall anyone saying that was the reason we didn't dance with our love interest. It was merely that we needed to focus on the job at hand. After all there was actually no reason why anyone at the ball should know that Solas was an apostate elf seeing as he wasn't standing there with staff in hand and was dressed totally different to how he usually is. He was even wearing that ridiculous hat.
As for your second criticism, that was my whole point. People are concerned about who you are associating with among your companions and yet you can basically tell them where to go and it has nil repercussions on you. I don't think anyone expected the Inquisitor to be celibate. Whilst clerics are/were expected to be that didn't apply to anyone else. It is noticeable how the Maker doesn't even concern himself over sexual conduct. Which is why people in the setting don't really have a problem with brothels and they can be in prominent places in the city, as the Blooming Rose was. So long as the Inquisitor wasn't abusing and misusing the prostitute, it does seem to me that it would have excited less comment among the faithful than having a full blown relationship with a Tevinter mage or a Qunari spy. It would simply be a case of nudge, nudge, wink, wink if it were commented upon at all.
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Post by Zemgus on Oct 3, 2017 15:18:23 GMT
I wouldn't take that GIF as an confirmation of anything, but let's pretend it is. I don't have a clue what DA4 is going to be like. DAI only had small part of Val Royeaux accessible. Which I thought was a disappointment and hope that's not repeated in DA4. For me personally it doesn't really matter if there's a brothel or not but since there's been two in the previous games I don't see why they suddenly would be against it for ethical reasons or whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 15:18:26 GMT
One thing I can certainly do without is the wink, wink, nudge, nudge, as imo DA3 went overboard in that department adding naked characters running through the Keep, people barging in onto kissing chars... I can really do without. I prefer DA2 way, as it imo hit the right balance of humour, variety and interesting presentation of love scenes vs DA3 swinging wildly between immature, over-the-top saccharine to TMI.
So, if sexual innuendo is present in the game, I would call for interesting, intruguing, funny but not corny.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 3, 2017 15:40:15 GMT
I've said it on the Twitter Thread and I'll say it again. It's not the fact that we may not see brothels again in future DA games that worries me, is more of what this might mean for DA4 in general. I've seen other tweets coming from the developers and read interviews that seem to suggest they aren't interested in adding more dark elements to their games and basically go back to their roots. While DAI is very clean and tamed when comparing it to past games, it sort of makes sense in some situations. Like the Inquisitor being mostly a diplomatic goody two shoes that even if they refuse to believe in the Maker and that they are chosen, they are still expected to play along most of the times and do what is right. In this case I can understand if I can't go to brothels or just murder someone because I feel like it, but I very much doubt DA4 will have the same scale as DAI and the protagonist will have the same power and influence as the Inquisitor. So why not let us murder, torture and have sex with random people if we want? Why does this make the devs so uncomfortable? I will never understand it. If you can implement those things into the story in a way that makes sense (and if we're really going to Tevinter, there will be plenty of opportunities to do that) then why wouldn't you give us that opportunity to choose how we want our character to be and behave in a role-playing game? If we truly go to Tevinter and this time they even manage to give us a proper city to explore, only for it to be sanitized for the sake of the poor souls who can't handle themes like slavery, prostitution, crime, poverty, etc. then honestly, don't bother. Might as well give us maps full of wilderness again. I'm not saying I want the cities to be nothing but filthiness and misery but those things absolutely need to be there. Not only does it give more opportunities for side content, NPC interaction and role-playing elements, it also helps the players to immerse themselves on the world, lore and story. I’m pretty sure there will be darker themes with interaction with NPCs. The lack of brothels while disappointing is not going to break a game. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 15:57:09 GMT
Heh, luckily there is no hard and fast rule that only games that include brothels are dark and/or good, interesting, etc. There is really no correlation, let alone causation.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 3, 2017 16:00:13 GMT
I mean brothels didn’t even play a major role in the first two games. You can make a dark and interesting game without them.
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Post by rahavan on Oct 3, 2017 16:04:29 GMT
Brothels can be great for narrative exposition but if you just want one to see the boobies I would recommend skyrim modding scene for you instead. In general though I've never understood the brothel thing in fantasy rpgs. Maybe I'm just biased since I find random sex with npcs that I don't know to be unfulfilling (and somewhat repulsive). That said DA2 did an excellent job, even though what was presented was way too clean, imo. If there is to be a brothel I want it to either be like the witcher 3 where you get two stark differences or just go with a seedy run down whore house. I really hope DA4 handles things like this a lot less cleanly like DAI. In the end though I won't be heart broken if it doesn't make into the game.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Oct 3, 2017 16:25:23 GMT
Well, the Blooming Rose was the scene of some entertaining moments and the source of some amusing dialogue, but I was never bothered that there wasn't a brothel in Inquisition. That said, it might have been funny to drag Cassandra or Cullen along.
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Post by naughtynomad on Oct 3, 2017 16:30:16 GMT
Bah... BioWare has definitely lost its balls.
I've actually been playing across all 3 games lately. You can literally see how they moved more and more PC over the course of the series.
Bring back the GOOD gaming company that made some of the best, twisted fastasy games I ever experienced.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 3, 2017 16:34:43 GMT
... considering I believe Sera was not introduced as such. You raise an interesting point here. Sera is introduced with some goofy name because that is the name she volunteered when they arrived. I doubt Josephine would have come up with it. So why then was Solas introduced as a servant? IMO if you're going to have something like that for one elven follower, showing the Orlesian prejudice, it should apply to both elven followers. I mean brothels didn’t even play a major role in the first two games. Not major, no. But no one is asking for a DA4 brothel to play a "major" role, merely for it to be a feature, in the same way the The Pearl or The Blooming Rose were. |
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 3, 2017 16:41:39 GMT
The setting will ultimately be shaped by the narrative - and we don't even know what it is now. I myself predict, like many others, that we will likely spend a lot of time in Minrathous, but we don't even know how much time we'd spend there and access to what districts we will have.
I mean, even if Bioware turned out to be the best virtual city builders in the industry, I somehow doubt they're going to render the whole of the biggest city in known Thedas, inhabited by more than a million people.
And then, we don't even know what kind of story DA4 will have - but we have reasons to believe that it will be a bigger story with larger stakes than DA2 AND that it's not impossible that the city might find itself either under Qunari siege or infiltrated by them.
So... what if it just happens that Minrathous has a robust sex industry, but the districts with brothels were the first to fall under Qunari control, or destroyed or maybe become too treacherous to go there, considering that it's full of Qunari spies? After all, we know that the Qunari like to flip the poorest and most desperate against people they want to conquer. It my not even be Qunari (or - who knows - the Dread Wolf) - what if some districts, including ones with brothels, will be those which first rebel against slavery or Tevinter's ruling class?
The reality is that we don't know the details of DA4 yet, and making an argument that giving us a game without much of a presence of brothels as 'sanitized' or 'not dark enough' strikes me as not really well thought-out.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 3, 2017 16:43:50 GMT
Bah... BioWare has definitely lost its balls. I've actually been playing across all 3 games lately. You can literally see how they moved more and more PC over the course of the series. Bring back the GOOD gaming company that made some of the best, twisted fastasy games I ever experienced. Yes, because the game where thee advisers can marvel at the size of a Qunari d*ck is definitely PC... |
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Post by formerfiend on Oct 3, 2017 16:44:40 GMT
One of my big issues with Inquisition and one of the reasons I consider the Inquisitor to be an impotent character is that you can play a character who says that they don't care about political perception, but you can't actually act in any way that proves that. You're forced to concede to every limp, milk toast argument about why political perception is important that one of your advisors - usually Josephine - presents you.
The fact that I can't play a character who doesn't give a single fuck that they're the fucking - not effing, fucking - Inquisitor annoys me. The fact that I cannot slap everyone who prattles on about me being a divine gift from their god square in the face annoys me. The fact that I'm forced to play their political games instead of just marching my damn army up to the Winter Palace annoys me. I have no choice but to make war against the faction I actually like and respect but I have to dance to the fiddle of the faction I have no respect for.
I don't have the option of telling Orlais that they can either get their shit together or I'll leave their country to be consumed by demons. Which is especially vexing if I've already cut Corypheus off from his demon army because then, objectively, the situation in Orlais if Celene is assassinated is no worse off than it would have been before the peace talks were called. Unless you want to try to tell me that all of Orlais would fall in line behind Floriane and become willing servants of Corypheus because she stabbed Celene. In which case, no, I don't believe that and you're a hack writer if you try to tell me that story. There's no polite way to put that, that's just the way it is.
Instead I'm railroaded into playing a character that, at best, impotently whine and moan and complain about a situation that they're unwilling to walk away from and conventions they're unwilling to break, who, however much they protest otherwise, cares too much about what nobles think about them that they won't step foot in a brothel. And who, if a straight man, their only options for love are the courtly ideal or a fairytale romance. Inquisitors who're interested in men at least get the kinkyness and impropriety that is the Iron Bull. And good on them for it.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 3, 2017 16:44:49 GMT
It had everything to do with Solas being an elven apostate or - more importantly - it being later used as potential leverage against Inquisitor or worse: put their lovers in even more of a harm's way. And I've given it as an example, because it was explicitly stated in the game, though I'm fairly sure similar reasons were why Inquisitor chose to save the dance out of sight of everyone. And I do like to point out that people indeed have concerns when it comes to image, especially if Inky hooks up with Dorian. Heck, even being friends with the Vint produces concerned comments from Mother Giselle and Cassandra. IMO this just doesn't hold up when you consider the fact that NONE of the DAI LIs have a public dance, even the "respectable" ones like Cullen, Josephine, and Cassandra. All of them dance at the end, when the trouble is over, and all of them are on the balcony. To me, it actually comes across as more of an intimate moment with the LI than it would if they had gone into the ballroom. There is also the gameplay aspect to consider. There is the big mission the player has to go through, then an optional extra bit at the end. Considering how little of the actual dance is shown (just a few seconds), it may have been done that way to save cinematic resources as well. |
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Post by smilesja on Oct 3, 2017 16:48:22 GMT
Bah... BioWare has definitely lost its balls. I've actually been playing across all 3 games lately. You can literally see how they moved more and more PC over the course of the series. Bring back the GOOD gaming company that made some of the best, twisted fastasy games I ever experienced. Just because there’s no brothels doesn’t mean they can’t make a great fantasy game. |
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