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Post by invisibleman on Jan 7, 2018 9:56:22 GMT
my feelings about DAI are... complex, i guess. i like it just about as much as i hate it, like it's perfectly balanced on some scale. though, these days i suppose i have to admit that using a few mods, in addition to a year or so of patches have softened my disposition towards Inquisition a bit, as it's less aggravating... i said less, it still annoys me quite a bit.
now, with open world games, that's a whole other issue altogether. i'm fine with open worlds in theory. though, a studio usually sees an open world as an excuse to cut content and funding, to implement a massive series of fetch quests to avoid doing actual work. if they actually put forth the effort to make a breathing/compelling/interactive openwold game, then it would be worthwhile... however, like i said, openworlds are used to save dev time and money to short change content without the appearance of doing so. i don't really see that changing any time soon.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 7, 2018 15:41:04 GMT
As I said: Hardcore fans will persecute and ridicule anyone who criticizing BioWare games even if it's constructive criticism. Insecure much? Persecute? Isn't that a little hyperbolic? Like being honest is considered hyperbolic?
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 7, 2018 15:46:56 GMT
As I said: Hardcore fans will persecute and ridicule anyone who criticizing BioWare games even if it's constructive criticism. Insecure much? And I've felt it's the exact opposite in here, that it is illegal to like DA:I... Nobody is saying to hate the game a person can still like it, and a person has a right to address issues, and the right to criticize the game in a constructive manner. But being hostile to someone by telling them to shut up and "go somewhere else" is uncalled for.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jan 7, 2018 18:57:25 GMT
DAI was semi open world. I enjoy open world games such as Skyrim and Fallout NV .... and I could write pages why Bioware suck at open world/ semi open world. But anyway one very very obvious issue is, for example in DAI, all the fleshed out quests are either main quest material or companions/advisors quests, you all take them in Skyhold and then you teleport to some self contained place. The results is the semi open world is mostly walking around the wilderness stumbling on letters of people who aren't there (so exciting!) and what you never stumble upon is an actual quest hub with good quests fleshing out the world and its inhabitants. With the quests being divorced from the semi open world, the big areas end up some kind of gamey dump where you kill stuff, get the most generic quests you've ever dreamed of, puzzles, shards to pick up and rarely a dungeon. Well, I have yet to see an open-world game with proper quests, the problem is the the size of an open world is its biggest strength and the reason for its downfall. There is no way you can fill an open world with enough quality content to make it interesting unless you want to have the game in development for 10 years or spend a SHITTON of money on it. Skyrim was a great example, and it was not even that big of a world, it was all rinse and repeat copy and paste. I rather take a story-driven narrow world that is dense in quality and content than an open grindfest.
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Post by invisibleman on Jan 7, 2018 19:36:14 GMT
Well, I have yet to see an open-world game with proper quests, the problem is the the size of an open world is its biggest strength and the reason for its downfall. There is no way you can fill an open world with enough quality content to make it interesting unless you want to have the game in development for 10 years or spend a SHITTON of money on it. Skyrim was a great example, and it was not even that big of a world, it was all rinse and repeat copy and paste. I rather take a story-driven narrow world that is dense in quality and content than an open grindfest. like i said earlier, i think it's possible to create a rich open world, however, we'll likely never see one. developers use openworlds thinking they can skimp on content and create the illusion that they haven't. that's why they're becoming so popular among developers & publishers.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jan 7, 2018 22:19:36 GMT
Well, I have yet to see an open-world game with proper quests, the problem is the the size of an open world is its biggest strength and the reason for its downfall. There is no way you can fill an open world with enough quality content to make it interesting unless you want to have the game in development for 10 years or spend a SHITTON of money on it. Skyrim was a great example, and it was not even that big of a world, it was all rinse and repeat copy and paste. I rather take a story-driven narrow world that is dense in quality and content than an open grindfest. like i said earlier, i think it's possible to create a rich open world, however, we'll likely never see one. developers use openworlds thinking they can skimp on content and create the illusion that they haven't. that's why they're becoming so popular among developers & publishers. One of my favorite studios is going with an open world next game, which is Metro : Redux. I hope they will be the first one to do it right and set a better standard for open world games - because its currently my favorite franchise.
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Post by invisibleman on Jan 7, 2018 23:43:43 GMT
like i said earlier, i think it's possible to create a rich open world, however, we'll likely never see one. developers use openworlds thinking they can skimp on content and create the illusion that they haven't. that's why they're becoming so popular among developers & publishers. One of my favorite studios is going with an open world next game, which is Metro : Redux. I hope they will be the first one to do it right and set a better standard for open world games - because its currently my favorite franchise. well, i wish you luck with Metro: Redux. as far as rpgs go, i'm a fan of the first witcher, however, TW2 & TW3 are not all that enjoyable to me (hardly at all)... in all honesty i've only played TW2 & 3 once (and that was enough of a glimpse for me) just to finish the story... as i found the gameplay... well, as best as i can describe it, they took everything i disliked about the 2nd game and just ran with it for the 3rd. so i say this so you can get where i'm coming from... and finally, imho the best large scale openworld title i've seen recently was the witcher 3, it still didn't do it right, but it came fairly close to the mark, not close enough, it's simply the closest. and i'm saying this about i game i don't really care for, and i think that might make my opinion one of the most unbiased. just thought i'd put that out there. *sigh* didn't mean to write so much.
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Post by warden on Jan 8, 2018 17:42:37 GMT
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Post by Zatche on Jan 8, 2018 22:21:05 GMT
like i said earlier, i think it's possible to create a rich open world, however, we'll likely never see one. developers use openworlds thinking they can skimp on content and create the illusion that they haven't. that's why they're becoming so popular among developers & publishers. One of my favorite studios is going with an open world next game, which is Metro : Redux. I hope they will be the first one to do it right and set a better standard for open world games - because its currently my favorite franchise. It's Metro Exodus. Redux is the remaster of 2033.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jan 8, 2018 23:44:11 GMT
One of my favorite studios is going with an open world next game, which is Metro : Redux. I hope they will be the first one to do it right and set a better standard for open world games - because its currently my favorite franchise. It's Metro Exodus. Redux is the remaster of 2033. Ah, I always mix them up. Two words with an X in them is enough to confuse me.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 11, 2018 19:28:19 GMT
TW3 is one of the most overrated RPGs. 1. The protagonist has a very restricted background and characteristic, leaving almost no room for me to role-play. His jokes which are automatically told make it feel worse. It is like 'I'm not role-playing but watching a handsome white-haired guy playing cool'. 2. The combat/ability/inventory systems are all messy. Hit & dodge, hit & dodge, hit & dodge ... Repeat this until bad guys die. Then you pick the bodies and get a bunch of junks. And it's a pain in the ass when you try to sell the junks. 3. As for the story, I would acknowledge some of the side-quests are very well designed, just some. However, the main quest (looking for Ciri) is quite boring and padding. You go to A and get a clue to go to B, and then B tells you to look for C, D, E, F, and then you are told to find G... Besides, most of the side-quests are just trivial or tedious. For trivial ones, you just go somewhere to fetch an item or kill some random guys. For tedious ones, you activate the detective vision, and then repeat 'move and click'. You run for half a day to watch a five-minute cutscene which is as boring as soap operas, maybe also killing some random bandits. Especially, after you finish the quests about the bloody baron and Keira Metz, then you will find none of the quests in Novigrad is as intriguing. So, TW3 may be a decent game, but not for me. And I think Bioware shouldn't try to copy its formula. And that is ok that you think TW3 to be overrated, but you are in the minority. TW3 is hailed as not just one of the top adventure/rpgs in the last few years but just a top game overall. One place where it was highly praised WAS the sidequest. You may not get people to accept that here, but most places outside of BSN can at least agree that DAI came up short with the MMO style fetch quest design and TW3 did side quest better. Even Bioware admits to this: www.pcgamer.com/mass-effect-andromeda-will-have-meaningful-sidequests-akin-to-the-witcher-says-game-producer/So to completely dismiss the efforts of TW3 sidequest and act like Bioware cannot learn anything from CDPR is a bit odd considering Bioware themselves credits TW3. Just like Bioware credited Bethesda for open world and Gears of War for cover shooting. Edit: Bioware even references TW3 again when they said that it was a mistake ti make DAI in the PS3 and 360 and how theh could have built better worlds. www.inquisitr.com/4435607/dragon-age-producer-wishes-they-had-done-things-more-like-the-witcher-3-and-went-all-in-on-next-gen/So perhaps with DA4 not being held back by old hardware, maybe DA4 will be what DAI was supposed go be in terms of grandeur and quality of content. Again, Bioware brought it up. BioWare really need to get their shit together.
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Post by phoray on Feb 12, 2018 2:43:05 GMT
however, like i said, openworlds are used to save dev time and money to short change content without the appearance of doing so. i don't really see that changing any time soon The extensive amount of time making art assets and then peicing them together in a cohesive fashion saves no one any money. It's not that is saves them money, it's that, to us Story Driven folk, it's a total waste of money.
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Post by phoray on Feb 12, 2018 2:45:05 GMT
Well, I have yet to see an open-world game with proper quests, the problem is the the size of an open world is its biggest strength and the reason for its downfall. There is no way you can fill an open world with enough quality content to make it interesting unless you want to have the game in development for 10 years or spend a SHITTON of money on it. Skyrim was a great example, and it was not even that big of a world, it was all rinse and repeat copy and paste. I rather take a story-driven narrow world that is dense in quality and content than an open grindfest. What are your thoughts on the "open world" of horizon Zero Dawn?
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 12, 2018 3:23:16 GMT
And that is ok that you think TW3 to be overrated, but you are in the minority. TW3 is hailed as not just one of the top adventure/rpgs in the last few years but just a top game overall. One place where it was highly praised WAS the sidequest. You may not get people to accept that here, but most places outside of BSN can at least agree that DAI came up short with the MMO style fetch quest design and TW3 did side quest better. Even Bioware admits to this: www.pcgamer.com/mass-effect-andromeda-will-have-meaningful-sidequests-akin-to-the-witcher-says-game-producer/So to completely dismiss the efforts of TW3 sidequest and act like Bioware cannot learn anything from CDPR is a bit odd considering Bioware themselves credits TW3. Just like Bioware credited Bethesda for open world and Gears of War for cover shooting. Edit: Bioware even references TW3 again when they said that it was a mistake ti make DAI in the PS3 and 360 and how theh could have built better worlds. www.inquisitr.com/4435607/dragon-age-producer-wishes-they-had-done-things-more-like-the-witcher-3-and-went-all-in-on-next-gen/So perhaps with DA4 not being held back by old hardware, maybe DA4 will be what DAI was supposed go be in terms of grandeur and quality of content. Again, Bioware brought it up. BioWare really need to get their shit together. No only necroing the thread, now necroing within the necroed thread? And to post something that trivial? Edit: hey, is this sort of reply what you meant when you talked about being persecuted?
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Post by phoray on Feb 12, 2018 4:12:38 GMT
How does he even find this stuff? Considering he only posts in the hate threads, never interacting anywhere else, he probably just logs in and views his activity
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Post by House Targaryen on Feb 12, 2018 4:13:52 GMT
Just when you think something is dead...
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 13, 2018 4:08:11 GMT
BioWare really need to get their shit together. No only necroing the thread, now necroing within the necroed thread? And to post something that trivial? Edit: hey, is this sort of reply what you meant when you talked about being persecuted? It's not like I'm lying, and they are in a position where they either make it, or break and dissolve into EA like their predecessors. Any why do you concern yourself with my opinions that has nothing to do with you??
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 13, 2018 8:26:10 GMT
I'd have answered that if you'd answered my question.
Edit: Ah, what the hell; no sense standing on protocol. I just find your behavior amusing, curious, and more interesting than your posts. I mean what is it you do on this board? Sift through old posts desperately looking for someone who agreed with you sometime so you can bump his post and make it look like your views are more common than today's crop of posts would make them look?
(I hope this doesn't mean I'm persecuting you. I can't see a way to answer your question without drifting into mockery a little.)
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 13, 2018 10:21:14 GMT
I'd have answered that if you'd answered my question.
Edit: Ah, what the hell; no sense standing on protocol. I just find your behavior amusing, curious, and more interesting than your posts. I mean what is it you do on this board? Sift through old posts desperately looking for someone who agreed with you sometime so you can bump his post and make it look like your views are more common than today's crop of posts would make them look? (I hope this doesn't mean I'm persecuting you. I can't see a way to answer your question without drifting into mockery a little.)
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 13, 2018 19:09:24 GMT
Burden? That's just silly. Like I said, I find this amusing. Amusement is fun.
(That's the problem with letting gifs do the replying for you. It's hard to find one that's actually on-point."Leave Britney Alone" might be better.)
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Post by smilesja on Feb 14, 2018 6:19:59 GMT
And that is ok that you think TW3 to be overrated, but you are in the minority. TW3 is hailed as not just one of the top adventure/rpgs in the last few years but just a top game overall. One place where it was highly praised WAS the sidequest. You may not get people to accept that here, but most places outside of BSN can at least agree that DAI came up short with the MMO style fetch quest design and TW3 did side quest better. Even Bioware admits to this: www.pcgamer.com/mass-effect-andromeda-will-have-meaningful-sidequests-akin-to-the-witcher-says-game-producer/So to completely dismiss the efforts of TW3 sidequest and act like Bioware cannot learn anything from CDPR is a bit odd considering Bioware themselves credits TW3. Just like Bioware credited Bethesda for open world and Gears of War for cover shooting. Edit: Bioware even references TW3 again when they said that it was a mistake ti make DAI in the PS3 and 360 and how theh could have built better worlds. www.inquisitr.com/4435607/dragon-age-producer-wishes-they-had-done-things-more-like-the-witcher-3-and-went-all-in-on-next-gen/So perhaps with DA4 not being held back by old hardware, maybe DA4 will be what DAI was supposed go be in terms of grandeur and quality of content. Again, Bioware brought it up. BioWare really need to get their shit together. They seem to be doing fine by not listening to those who scream that the game too many "ugly" women.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 14, 2018 23:02:48 GMT
BioWare really need to get their shit together. They seem to be doing fine by not listening to those who scream that the game too many "ugly" women.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 15, 2018 17:23:12 GMT
They seem to be doing fine by not listening to those who scream that the game too many "ugly" women. Just proves my point, keep crying about the women in Bioware being too "ugly."
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Post by phoray on Feb 15, 2018 17:39:42 GMT
1. The original poster of this thread isn't even a member anymore. 2. which is just a sign that this thread is too old to bother with. 3. We should all stop posting in the thread so that it can die. We all know Cloud is a troll. 4. I personally think any hate thread this old should just be locked by mods. START A NEW HATE THREAD YOU PLEBS 5. Who the hell was praising this game? ME! IT WAS ME! I DID IT! It was great! I literally bought a million copies so it would win GOTY and make sure EA wouldn't close it's doors on Bioware. It was my life fortune, but it was worth it. I give a copy to every single new person I meet. 6. Now move the fuck on.
PS the picture two posts up makes the characters look like impossible barbie dolls. Ew.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 15, 2018 19:13:06 GMT
1. The original poster of this thread isn't even a member anymore. 2. which is just a sign that this thread is too old to bother with. 3. We should all stop posting in the thread so that it can die. We all know Cloud is a troll. 4. I personally think any hate thread this old should just be locked by mods. START A NEW HATE THREAD YOU PLEBS 5. Who the hell was praising this game? ME! IT WAS ME! I DID IT! It was great! I literally bought a million copies so it would win GOTY and make sure EA wouldn't close it's doors on Bioware. It was my life fortune, but it was worth it. I give a copy to every single new person I meet. 6. Now move the fuck on. PS the picture two posts up makes the characters look like impossible barbie dolls. Ew. Wow. Calling me names because I simply said that they need to get their shit together, and you overreacted because of my opinions somehow affects you. That's your problem if you are offended of my posts.
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