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Post by auu on Oct 14, 2017 6:05:32 GMT
Sorry, no. I'm not contemplating murder. Well, a real murder. I am an amateur writer. I have this plot point for a story I'm writing, and I'm not sure what route to take. I want to hear some opinions. I'm going to summarize as simply as I can. There are two 16-year-old twin sisters. A and E. E runs away to the city and gets mixed up in a bad crowed. E starts dating a punk in the city who introduces her to drugs. E becomes obsessed with the boy, possibly brainwashed (I have reasons). A thinks E is not herself anymore. A becomes jealous of all the attention E is giving to the boy. A hates the boy, and blames him for turning E into a drug addict. E dies in a car accident, and A blames the boy for her sister's death. A confronts the boy. A finds that the boy is a mess, mourning E's death. So here's my conundrum. The boy is to die. He's a character destined to die. And when he dies, A is haunted by him. It starts as maleficent haunt, HOWEVER, over time he becomes a sort of a protector of A. Kind of like a knight. The idea is that he is redeemed in death. Now. I'm not sure exactly how I want him to die. 1. A kills him in self-defense. 2. It's an accidental death--coked up, he tries to attack A, she pushes him, and his head goes splat on a corner of something. 3. He is murdered by some other plot point that I haven't thought of. I'm thinking either 1 or 2. I like 1 because it's not a passive decision. It's character defining for A to kill someone..right? What I like about 2 is that it mirrors E's accidental death; HOWEVER, it is more passive. With 2 a would still feel guilty and blame herself for his death, but she could always fall back on it as being an unfortunate event. Huh...I could also see 2 as being especially grey, as A could struggle with the idea of maybe it wasn't an accident, and she always wanted him dead. I guess that would make 1 the more passive choice...right? Because the boy basically made the decision for A, attacking her, and making A kill him. UGGGH Option 3 only exists because a scene/image came to me of the boy stumbling towards A. A thinks he's on something, but discovers that he was stabbed. I realize there could be an option 4 where she kills him in cold blood, but it's not A's character to do such a thing. Even though I feel as I'm even further from making a decision, I think this helped. Maybe I should write all three scenes and see, which fits better.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Oct 14, 2017 7:41:10 GMT
Why not have him kill himself? Seems like that would be a logical way to kill off a character in mourning.
A confronts the boy out of fury for his perceived involvement in getting her sister killed, this makes him distraught and overwhelmed, he runs off and throws himself off an overpass. A can be seen as still responsible for his death to some extent but without actually killing him.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 14, 2017 7:50:26 GMT
You should move this to the BSN Writers Club, they'll gladly respond.
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Post by Ravenous Bear on Oct 14, 2017 8:13:53 GMT
Well would the Boy dying from a heart attack, caused by the stress of being guilty and/or mourning for E's death, and even more stress when confronting A, be an option? Heart attacks in kids/teenagers does rarely happen (might be more likely for the Boy since he uses Illicit drugs); in which would make the Boy's death even more tragic. If the heart attack occurs in front of A, A would feel remorse and guilty for the Boy's death.
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Oct 14, 2017 20:56:50 GMT
I recommend that in his grief, he sees a hooker who gives him a deadly STD and he dies.
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Post by nanotm on Oct 14, 2017 21:30:02 GMT
have him kill the girl accidentally whilst trying to seduce her to become his next hooker and then haunted by her, then runaway to start over again as he's in the shit with the local kingpin he gets reborn as the hero of the story haunted by the past far too many stories have some deranged bint as the protagonist, its about time some mentally unstable bloke got put forwards as the lead in the plot, oh and make this like his backstory so he reveals it slowly over the course of half a dozen books or just release it as a prequel novella to the series your writing....
everyone and their dog writes a book about a girl who has a harrowing incident and then fights against the odds and their own craziness to become the hero (probably down to some stupid writers academy plot line) and its a tired cliché situation that's making less and less people interested in reading books, and it doesn't matter if you spice it up with myth/magic or space (or all of them together) it will just be yet another book about a heroine that nobody wants to read....
break the mold be different!
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Post by Lady Artifice on Oct 14, 2017 23:01:19 GMT
have him kill the girl accidentally whilst trying to seduce her to become his next hooker and then haunted by her, then runaway to start over again as he's in the shit with the local kingpin he gets reborn as the hero of the story haunted by the past far too many stories have some deranged bint as the protagonist, its about time some mentally unstable bloke got put forwards as the lead in the plot, oh and make this like his backstory so he reveals it slowly over the course of half a dozen books or just release it as a prequel novella to the series your writing.... everyone and their dog writes a book about a girl who has a harrowing incident and then fights against the odds and their own craziness to become the hero (probably down to some stupid writers academy plot line) and its a tired cliché situation that's making less and less people interested in reading books, and it doesn't matter if you spice it up with myth/magic or space (or all of them together) it will just be yet another book about a heroine that nobody wants to read.... break the mold be different! Could you list a few of these canonically disturbed female protagonists you've seen so much of?
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Post by DomeWing333 on Oct 14, 2017 23:26:14 GMT
Wait, it's "about time" that someone writes a story about a male hero who goes through a harrowing ordeal and overcomes the odds and their own psychological demons to become a hero"?
Have you not heard of Hercules...? Or...Batman? Or...literally any antihero ever?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 7:42:33 GMT
Wait, it's "about time" that someone writes a story about a male hero who goes through a harrowing ordeal and overcomes the odds and their own psychological demons to become a hero"? Have you not heard of Hercules...? Or...Batman? Or...literally any antihero ever? Sounds like the plot to basically everything tbh Anyhow, from those options #2 seems the best imo
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Post by nanotm on Oct 15, 2017 10:08:43 GMT
Wait, it's "about time" that someone writes a story about a male hero who goes through a harrowing ordeal and overcomes the odds and their own psychological demons to become a hero"? Have you not heard of Hercules...? Or...Batman? Or...literally any antihero ever? neither are bad guy turned good though are they and neither of them are recent creations either, pick up any of the thousands of sci-fi books released in the last 2 years and see how many messed up girls are the protagonists, every 6 months 40+ authors release a bunch of books all using the exact same premis like its a frigging template they were provided and every single one of them uses the exact same "female protagonist, loner, no family, some weird freaky thing that helps keep her alive, falls in with some team players who spend half their time blowing smoke up each others asses about how great everything feels and how much they love being together"..... its boring tired shite that's been so overdone its not even funny! Lady ArtificeI could but that would grant you access to my reading lists and i'm rather picky about that sort of thing, even my kids don't get to see them/
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Post by DomeWing333 on Oct 15, 2017 10:44:14 GMT
neither are bad guy turned good though are they and neither of them are recent creations either, pick up any of the thousands of sci-fi books released in the last 2 years and see how many messed up girls are the protagonists, every 6 months 40+ authors release a bunch of books all using the exact same premis like its a frigging template they were provided and every single one of them uses the exact same "female protagonist, loner, no family, some weird freaky thing that helps keep her alive, falls in with some team players who spend half their time blowing smoke up each others asses about how great everything feels and how much they love being together"..... its boring tired shite that's been so overdone its not even funny! A "bad guy turned good" wasn't what your original claim was and even if it were, that's still a premise that's been played out with male characters a hell of a lot more than it has with female ones. As for "female protagonist, loner, no family, some weird freaky thing that helps keep her alive, falls in with some team players who spend half their time blowing smoke up each others asses about how great everything feels and how much they love being together"...do you have any idea how generic a descriptor of fiction that is if you just take out the gender words? Instead of cobbling together such an arbitrary complaint without providing any examples or evidence, why not save us all some time and just admit that you don't like fiction with female protagonists in place of male ones?
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Post by legbamel on Oct 15, 2017 13:15:49 GMT
Wait, it's "about time" that someone writes a story about a male hero who goes through a harrowing ordeal and overcomes the odds and their own psychological demons to become a hero"? Have you not heard of Hercules...? Or...Batman? Or...literally any antihero ever? neither are bad guy turned good though are they and neither of them are recent creations either, pick up any of the thousands of sci-fi books released in the last 2 years and see how many messed up girls are the protagonists, every 6 months 40+ authors release a bunch of books all using the exact same premis like its a frigging template they were provided and every single one of them uses the exact same "female protagonist, loner, no family, some weird freaky thing that helps keep her alive, falls in with some team players who spend half their time blowing smoke up each others asses about how great everything feels and how much they love being together"..... its boring tired shite that's been so overdone its not even funny! Lady Artifice I could but that would grant you access to my reading lists and i'm rather picky about that sort of thing, even my kids don't get to see them/ So, first you claim too many books but then you limit your problem to one genre and 40+ authors. You do know there were nearly 400,000 books published in the US alone in2016, right? Perhaps you should broaden your scope a bit. Try Baldacci''s Amos Decker series. If you're so secretive about what you read that you won't even tell your family, I can't help but wonder what bizarre echo chamber you've fallen into.
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Post by Transcended One on Oct 16, 2017 16:02:14 GMT
Well I vote for the option #5 that the boy doesn't die, but 'A' does in either a freak accident or a more shocking death indirectly caused by 'boy', so 'boy' starts to have a bit of a heartchanger then.
He tries to do 'good' at first, trying to improve his life. But ultimately he falls back into old habits, even getting himself killed miserably, but doing one single good "deed" post-mortem.
But that's too much of a cliché I guess.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Oct 16, 2017 19:40:09 GMT
Umm...
E died in a car accident because she was doing a favor for the boy in an effort to help save him from something. A drug ring, people he owes money to etc. She did this probably without his knowledge. He blames himself but is still desperate to get out of his situation and attempts to enlist the aid of A who adamantly refuses. He tries multiple times and she always refuses. The people after him eventually get to him and kill him in brutal fashion. They were seen together and the crooks go after her in an effort to tie up loose ends. She is mistaken for E maybe. The now dead boy haunts her with warnings of her impending doom in an effort to bring her a portion of his misery. She narrowly escapes death and goes on the run. As she struggles through this new terrible life she and the ghost begin to bond albeit very reluctantly. In time they make an effort to team up and turn the tables on the killers. Through a series of harrowing events they manage to succeed. Years later A lives a new life as a private investigator with seemingly superhuman investigative abilities.
Thought this up while taking a shit *smug smile*
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