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Post by sirwigglepeanutllama on Oct 25, 2017 7:14:00 GMT
Find Tresspasser depressing? I had to stop playing and didn’t want to pick it up agains until today. I just felt mad and sad. I am only up to the Sanctuary but the whole feel is just, this is the end nd everyone is saying goodbye. Dorian was waaaaaaay too eager to leave Elie and go to Tevinter. It was a break up without saying it. I was touched that Varric has basically made a home for Elie in Kirkwall and that Sera is basically saying, hey, you can come with me. Also Viv looking out for him, “because someone has to” and concerned about his relashonship with Dorian. I mean some of it made me laugh and I will be disbanding the Inquisition but it has made me feel so down. Is it just me, maybe too attached or just my personality? I have seen the epilogue s on Wikia and it feels like Elie won’t even get an epilogue, it doesn’t seem to cover him, which is weird. I feel like he has become the Vann of the game. Points of view? Am I the only plonker?
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Post by davesin on Oct 25, 2017 7:28:41 GMT
Inquisitor doesn't have an epilogue slide (well, unless she's in relationship with Solas) because their story isn't really finished yet. The only conclusion for them in Inquisition is that they are going after Solas, although not personaly. So, unless Bioware chooses to bury the previous protagonist in a pit full of codex entries, we might get something in the next game. And yes, it's depressing... you lost an arm and most of your people and you have no idea when Solas is going to end it all. I kinda expect similar tone in DA4.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 25, 2017 7:30:48 GMT
I actually felt good about disbanding the Inquisition and sending everyone home to their families after thanking them for their service. They are good men and women and deserve it. Yes, my romanced Cassandra became Divine, but I'm good with that too. It's not like she's gone or hates my Inquisitor now.
The only thing I really didn't like was the old BioWare trope of "everyone is dumb if the player is not around to supervise them" returning: oh, you know, during the two years you couldn't play your character, the Inquisition got riddled with spies!
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Post by Catilina on Oct 25, 2017 8:17:30 GMT
I suppose it was not "depressed". My Inquisitor's love relationship with Bull continues, Cassandra became Divine, but they knew, what will the end result, if they elect her. I was angry/bitter at Dorian's end, but perhaps in the DA4 this will get a decent closure, just as Leliana and her Warden got in the Inquisition. The game's not over yet. (Despite that I don't want to play the Inquisitor in the next game, or perhaps only as with Ciri, in the Witcher 3. Inquisitor isn't my fav protagonist, I hope we got a new, better one.)
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 25, 2017 8:24:50 GMT
I think everyone reacts to Trespasser in different ways. If you are in a romance with Dorian it can seem a bit of a downer at first but honestly he is not breaking up with you (unless you really don't have faith in long distance romances). There are various points where the romance will result in extra dialogue as you go along and you do get a specific epilogue slide. He will also appear in the final scene of the game which seems evidence enough that he has not abandoned his love.
Some romances end on a high compared with others. Sera and Cullen stand out in that respect but most end on a positive note. The exceptions being Blackwall if you made him a Warden (sad) and Solas (tragic). How Bull's turns out depends on whether you made him Tal Vashoth or he stayed Qunari but at least you had some control over that.
Sadness is understandable, particularly if you enjoyed the experience of leading your team. Now it is breaking up and people are going their separate ways. What the writers were trying to emphasise, whether you disband or not, is that you are no longer this all powerful leader of a Thedas wide organisation, so no longer Lord Inquisitor of Thedas, but the way they left it your story as PC is not over (at least that is how many people including myself see it). There is a good chance they will be mentioned in the future or even participate directly in the future but probably not as the main PC.
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Post by sirwigglepeanutllama on Oct 25, 2017 8:31:18 GMT
It just feels like he got the rawiest deal imaginable, I think it might have been better if he popped his clogs, at least he would have gone out a hero, this feels like he is condemned to obscurity. Maybe I will feel better when I finish it. Then I can go play da2 and cheer myself up. I do have another question, what in jumping Jupiter did they do to Teagan?
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 25, 2017 9:31:24 GMT
I think that he has been badly affected by his experience as Ferelden Ambassador to Orlais (see the Masked Empire). Poor chap would have been totally out of his depth considering he was never that interested in politics. I assume it was Alistair's idea or possible Eamon's. It certainly ruined him as a person both physically and mentally. To think my PC was flirting with him in DAO. Time has definitely not been kind to Teagan.
Incidentally this is another reason why bringing back characters from previous games is never really satisfying. My memories of Teagan now are that he is a total jerk, which is a pity as I rather liked the guy before.
I suggest choosing the Aggressive Disband option, I really found that most satisfying both with regard to Teagan and the assembled Orlesian Court. It pretty much summed up how I felt all round. I was way more angry than sad, at everyone, but particularly friggin' Solas. I needed to vent and so I did.
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Post by close2myheart on Oct 25, 2017 9:36:42 GMT
It just feels like he got the rawiest deal imaginable, I think it might have been better if he popped his clogs, at least he would have gone out a hero, this feels like he is condemned to obscurity. Maybe I will feel better when I finish it. Then I can go play da2 and cheer myself up. I do have another question, what in jumping Jupiter did they do to Teagan? Teagan? It's the hat. Voldemort is hiding underneath that hat and mind controls him, LoL. -- Idk, maybe it's just so we can sample that nation in a different flavour. Back then mostly people were (or still are, perhaps?) looking at Ferelden in a more favourable light and tend to diss at Orlais, that comes from playing DAO. Or there is another reason, though. Ferelden views the alliance between Orlais and the Inquisition as a real threat to the crown, in the near or far future ahead. Sure your Inquisitor maybe a benevolent soul that tries to be fair and has no intention in trampling Ferelden soverignity. But who could predict whom or which way your successor might lean to ? A successor of an all powerful organization, backed by the Chantry and answers to no one. And you can bet that Orlais will be more than happy to have you as their 'friend' and exploit that 'friendship'. That spells 'bad news' to the Ferelden monarch. So Teagan was basically there to do what it is in his power to dismantle the Inquisition or at least curb it's power. Thus the 'Exalted Council' is born if you did not disband the organization.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 25, 2017 9:46:24 GMT
I understand why Ferelden was worried about the organisation as a patsy of Orlais but it is annoying that there was no variation in the speech according to the type of Inquisition you have been leading or your attitude towards the two nations. Perhaps, depending on your type of Inquisitor, he could at least have said he had nothing against their leadership personally but was worried about the connections the organisation held.
It was all that blather about Sophie Dryden that got up my nose. That was ancient history, superseded by recent events concerning the Hero of Ferelden and their efforts at Vigil's Keep, something that was totally ignored both in the main game (with Clarel's letter to Teagan) and in Trepasser. The precedent for an outside organisation holding political power in Ferelden had been established by the arrangement with the Grey Wardens after the 5th Blight. So using Sophie Dryden as a reason for not allowing the Inquisition to remain at Caer Bronach was really an insult to my HoF regardless of how they viewed the Inquisition. Sophie Dryden was also pretty much an internal affair, considering she was urged to take action by the Banns who opposed their corrupt monarch and she was a native of Ferelden that just happened to also be in the Wardens. She broke Warden rules in taking the action she did, so really had no bearing on our occupation of Caer Bronach, which was in actual fact well within the laws of Ferelden. The Freeholders decide who they give their allegiance to on the basis of how effective the person has been in defending them from threats. So if the Freeholders were happy with the Inquisition's protection it was up to the surrounding Banns to offer a better alternative, not simply tell them to get out because they didn't like them being there.
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Post by close2myheart on Oct 25, 2017 10:49:28 GMT
Heh, believe me, there are a lot of 'wtf' moment on Ferelden's part back there and I was feeling more than a little miffed at Teagan's attituted towards the GW. (Alistair and HoF/Orlesian Warden? Aren't they Wardens that saved your asses back then?) 1st timer was a shock. I guess my way of trying to 'understand' his stance is that he's just looking for someways (anyway he can) to stop the Inquisition's power. How he talks about the GW to the HoF and to the Inquisitor could be 2 very different tones indeed. I agree that Ferelden are blunt, but it sorta hurt me to see Teagan playing the 'Dumb Politician' part. Spouting weird arguments and refusing to see the other party's merrit (omg, plenty of those here back home) That, or I stand by my 1st argument, Voldemort lives behind his head Meaning yes, it could've been done better.
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Post by eriador117 on Oct 25, 2017 12:20:12 GMT
My character romanced Dorian and the first time I played Trespasser I was buoyed up by Cassandra's conversation regarding marriage. I thought, oh, is Dorian going to propose or I can propose to him? Needless to say when I found out he was leaving, it felt like I'd been punched in the gut. I think I wouldn't have been so disappointed if there hadn't been that marriage conversation beforehand. So the first time, yes, it was very depressing. For a whole game they'd been building up your character and then wanted to pull him back down, as if everything you achieved in the game was nothing now. You were just this upstart everyone wanted rid of - despite the fact that it was you who saved them from the breach and the demon army and everything else. I usually played my Inqy as diplomatic but it was so satisfying to disband the Inquisition and pick the aggressive option - "I have to go and save the world. Again!" I suppose this is why we have fanfic
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Post by phoray on Oct 25, 2017 12:30:39 GMT
angry disband for the win also, incidentally, I romanced Cullen in base game so I sort of got a super highlight in Trespasser to ease my sorrows. I was invested and angry. Mostly angry at my advisers for hiding the letters asking my org to leave. how the EFF am I just hearing about this Jose??!
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Post by Sah291 on Oct 25, 2017 14:12:05 GMT
I loved Tresspasser. But yeah, it did feel a bit depressing knowing there were still story threads that felt unresolved, and that it will be years to find out what happens next, if ever. I feel that way whenever there are cliffhangers, and Solas going off to tear down the veil, while the Inquisitor pledges to stop him, felt like a pretty big cliffhanger. It's not like a film where you can at least expect a sequel in a couple years.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 25, 2017 14:13:45 GMT
I was depressed and infuriated by Trespasser, especially if DA4 continues with a new protagonist rather than the Inquisitor returning as the PC.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 14:14:23 GMT
Find Tresspasser depressing? I had to stop playing and didn’t want to pick it up agains until today. I just felt mad and sad. I am only up to the Sanctuary but the whole feel is just, this is the end nd everyone is saying goodbye. Dorian was waaaaaaay too eager to leave Elie and go to Tevinter. It was a break up without saying it. I was touched that Varric has basically made a home for Elie in Kirkwall and that Sera is basically saying, hey, you can come with me. Also Viv looking out for him, “because someone has to” and concerned about his relashonship with Dorian. I mean some of it made me laugh and I will be disbanding the Inquisition but it has made me feel so down. Is it just me, maybe too attached or just my personality? I have seen the epilogue s on Wikia and it feels like Elie won’t even get an epilogue, it doesn’t seem to cover him, which is weird. I feel like he has become the Vann of the game. Points of view? Am I the only plonker? Yes. Trespasser was the worst part of the whole franchise for me and really soured me on the game. I also told Dorian to decide for himself in the main game (or so I thought) which resulted in Dorian upping and leaving for two years before coming back and then after Cassandra was hinting at commitment tell the Inquisitor that he pretty much leaving for good. That took fighting spirit right out of me, and I disbanded Inquisition and gave up (I initially intended to keep it and manipulate it to put its weight behind Dorian's campaign in Tevinter) I'll never play through it again & I uninstalled DA3.
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Post by sirwigglepeanutllama on Oct 25, 2017 14:15:22 GMT
I finished it. I was dissatisfied with the ending until the final and unexpected cut scene. I didn’t disband the inquisition like I thought I would as I thought it was still needed. Knowing that Sera stayed with Elie and seeing Dorian in the final scene, meaning he did come back to see Elie made me feel better. Also I thought Elie needed a purpose, otherwise he would just end up drunk in an alien age crying about everything. I did think it was bad implying that Elie would not be adventuring any more just because he lost an arm, it made it sound like he was useless just because he is disabled.
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Post by Psychevore on Oct 25, 2017 14:16:10 GMT
My only problem with Trespasser is that they have to make a game about Solas tearing down the veil now.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 25, 2017 16:00:46 GMT
Romance Qun!Bull and then talk to me about depressing.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 25, 2017 18:13:25 GMT
That's why you need the aggressive disband option. No hint that the Inquisitor is retiring from active service there. Join the Jennies and it is made abundantly clear you have not retired, just told everyone you have.
It is strange but the "retiring from active service" only seems to go with keeping the Inquisition, so probably meant to explain to outsiders where they are if they are not running things day to day. Clearly the Inquisitor is not retiring and will continue to drive the search for Solas from behind the scenes, not because they are disabled but so he doesn't see them coming.
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Post by close2myheart on Oct 25, 2017 23:47:50 GMT
Romance Qun!Bull and then talk to me about depressing. Wow :'( that's.. that's... ... ... You have my condolances, man..
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Post by close2myheart on Oct 25, 2017 23:53:48 GMT
Honestly, I kept the Inquisition just to rub it in Teagan's face LoL Had he been on friendlier terms, she might disband. But he isn't playing nice, so I might as well be that Inquisitor of his nightmares Sure the Exalted Council existed. But Divine Vicotoria is my BFF, Orlais is basically 'friend' and I'm sure Teagan can see through my fake smile and how I manipulate my way through in the political arena. Trololololllllll
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Oct 26, 2017 0:36:30 GMT
My 'canon' Inquisitor's boyfriend died (that's what I get for letting the Wardens have him!) and I still thought it was a relatively upbeat and satisfying conclusion to her story. Mainly because she was very enthusiastic about going underground instead of being the face of a huge public organization, something my former Carta girl had never been comortable with.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 26, 2017 15:41:55 GMT
Romance Qun!Bull and then talk to me about depressing. Solas and Grey Warden Blackwall aren't exactly cheery either. But yeah that's pretty harsh. Me, I liked trespasser more than the original endings. It felt more...personal.
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 26, 2017 16:04:59 GMT
I was depressed my inquisitor could neither side with Solas nor fight to retain their organisation.
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Post by witchcocktor on Oct 26, 2017 16:05:00 GMT
Trespasser was extremely unbalanced in terms of romance content, now that's depressing.
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