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Post by spacev3gan on Sept 29, 2016 8:49:18 GMT
I remember back in December 2014 or so, people on BSN came up with this mad idea of fighting the Fereldan Frostback pre-Skyhold. On Nightmare, obviously. Full Party. Post-Skyhold this Dragon is not that hard, but Pre-Skyhold it was an insane challenge back in the day. In my opinion it was under those conditions the toughest boss fight in the game without a doubt. It took me several attempts and I managed to kill it once. I have played the game several times through, but I swore that fighting the FF pre-Skyhold would not be part of routine.
Nowadays, thanks for the most overpowered feature in this game - the Golden Nug - this is not a challenge anymore. It is a mere walk in the Hinterlands.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 9:51:59 GMT
You don't need to sync to the nug though so surely you can still play it vanilla?
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Post by spacev3gan on Sept 29, 2016 16:16:57 GMT
You don't need to sync to the nug though so surely you can still play it vanilla? I've been considering that, but honestly I think that syncing is a way to make use of loot (in this case, schematics) that you get too late in the game and thus you can barely use. Most of the best ones you get only in Trespasser, during the last couple of hours. So the game really doesn't give us a chance to use them. Syncing is overpowered, but it might not be the issue. Ultimately I think that Nightmare difficult should be harder, or there should be a level above Nightmare (like Heartbreaker?). The game has some serious difficult spikes in Jaws of Hakkon and Descent, but perhaps there should be much more of those during the main game.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 29, 2016 18:46:53 GMT
Syncing is overpowered, but it might not be the issue. Ultimately I think that Nightmare difficult should be harder, or there should be a level above Nightmare (like Heartbreaker?). The game has some serious difficult spikes in Jaws of Hakkon and Descent, but perhaps there should be much more of those during the main game. This is why Trials were added. In fact, I think Trials were added specifically to balance the effect of Tier 4 schematics available in Haven through the Golden Nug. Too bad the Trial that would have made the biggest difference, Walk Softly, is too random to be enjoyable.
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Post by spacev3gan on Sept 29, 2016 20:22:36 GMT
This is why Trials were added. In fact, I think Trials were added specifically to balance the effect of Tier 4 schematics available in Haven through the Golden Nug. Too bad the Trial that would have made the biggest difference, Walk Softly, is too random to be enjoyable. Also it seems to have little to no impact on Bosses. Fighting a large group of mobs, Red templars, Venatori Mages or some Rifts is usually hard than Boss Fights.
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Post by spacev3gan on Sept 29, 2016 20:31:07 GMT
Despite the schematics, I had never thought that a Pre-Skyhold build could be overpowered. I have always rushed to Skyhold asap (usually I get there by level 8, if not earlier) since I had never seen the point of grinding and building up a character when you have no Specialization nor runes/fade-touched enchantments. This dwarf 2H warrior ended up being a character that I found more enjoyable than usual at this level and thus I investmented more on her. But I didn't know she was able to be this overpowered early on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 21:03:06 GMT
You don't need to sync to the nug though so surely you can still play it vanilla? I've been considering that, but honestly I think that syncing is a way to make use of loot (in this case, schematics) that you get too late in the game and thus you can barely use. Most of the best ones you get only in Trespasser, during the last couple of hours. So the game really doesn't give us a chance to use them. Yeah, I just played for a second time and decided to ignore the nug. I thought it was cheating, but then I got to Trespasser and was finding it hard (I do sucketh mightily at this game ) and wanted some better gear, and reluctantly synced up. Omg I wish I'd done it sooner. The outfit I got was not only a high level but it also looked amazing, way better than the regular armour. From now on I'll sync asap and enjoy being able to make the most of the Trespasser stuff. As you say, it's a shame you only get it for the last couple of hours of the game. May as well use it.
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Post by archangelest on Sept 30, 2016 17:57:47 GMT
I've been considering that, but honestly I think that syncing is a way to make use of loot (in this case, schematics) that you get too late in the game and thus you can barely use. Most of the best ones you get only in Trespasser, during the last couple of hours. So the game really doesn't give us a chance to use them. Yeah, I just played for a second time and decided to ignore the nug. I thought it was cheating, but then I got to Trespasser and was finding it hard (I do sucketh mightily at this game ) and wanted some better gear, and reluctantly synced up. Omg I wish I'd done it sooner. The outfit I got was not only a high level but it also looked amazing, way better than the regular armour. From now on I'll sync asap and enjoy being able to make the most of the Trespasser stuff. As you say, it's a shame you only get it for the last couple of hours of the game. May as well use it. I feel like Syncing is something that you can RP into doing roughly mid-way through the game. Like maybe you can convince yourself that after a certain point in the story or at a certain influence level the fame of the Inquisition grows high enough to give you access to the best crafting knowledge in the world. Because I agree that otherwise using the coolest gear is left to too short of a time period at the very end. But at the same time I just can't justify syncing up in Haven or immediately after arriving in Skyhold and getting Dagna. Like if you haven't even obtained access to tier 3-4 materials it doesn't feel right to have full access to Tier 4 gear. I feel like I need to EARN it to some degree by beating the early game with limited crafting at the very least. I think you can apply the same logic to the Emporium as well. Though of course things there at least cost plenty of money and are tied to your progress so you can't just buy super schematics immediately. But you can still cut some corners.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 18:51:41 GMT
Yeah, I just played for a second time and decided to ignore the nug. I thought it was cheating, but then I got to Trespasser and was finding it hard (I do sucketh mightily at this game ) and wanted some better gear, and reluctantly synced up. Omg I wish I'd done it sooner. The outfit I got was not only a high level but it also looked amazing, way better than the regular armour. From now on I'll sync asap and enjoy being able to make the most of the Trespasser stuff. As you say, it's a shame you only get it for the last couple of hours of the game. May as well use it. I feel like Syncing is something that you can RP into doing roughly mid-way through the game. Like maybe you can convince yourself that after a certain point in the story or at a certain influence level the fame of the Inquisition grows high enough to give you access to the best crafting knowledge in the world. Because I agree that otherwise using the coolest gear is left to too short of a time period at the very end. But at the same time I just can't justify syncing up in Haven or immediately after arriving in Skyhold and getting Dagna. Like if you haven't even obtained access to tier 3-4 materials it doesn't feel right to have full access to Tier 4 gear. I feel like I need to EARN it to some degree by beating the early game with limited crafting at the very least. I think you can apply the same logic to the Emporium as well. Though of course things there at least cost plenty of money and are tied to your progress so you can't just buy super schematics immediately. But you can still cut some corners. Yes, that's a good compromise. Perhaps when you discover Skyhold you find a stash of amazing schematics in the library.
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Post by kalas on Dec 6, 2016 17:30:28 GMT
i think combat roll/coming through is a broken ability. i killed the dragon at level 4. i used a full party though. i just wanted to try it. i actually regret picking the reaver specilization. i seem to be doing less damage using dragon rage(with bonus damage) than just spamming combat roll. and with cr i can hit multiple targets that are not next to each other.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 6, 2016 19:12:49 GMT
i think combat roll/coming through is a broken ability. i killed the dragon at level 4. i used a full party though. i just wanted to try it. i actually regret picking the reaver specilization. i seem to be doing less damage using dragon rage(with bonus damage) than just spamming combat roll. and with cr i can hit multiple targets that are not next to each other. It is indeed the most broken ability of the game. I think the only way to balance it out is to play Nightmare + Even Ground, solo, naked (no armor) and only use Combat Roll, no other ability, and auto-attacks. That's it. Then it might be a challenge. Specifically for the Fereldan Frostback fight, make it Nightmare + Rub Dirt On It, solo, naked and only use Combat Roll + AA. Okay, maybe Charging Bull/Light On Your Feet also, just to reduce the tedium of running around the battlefield and to help with 2-on-1 dragonling situations.
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Post by melbella on Dec 8, 2016 2:58:19 GMT
Yes, that's a good compromise. Perhaps when you discover Skyhold you find a stash of amazing schematics in the library. That was my headcanon for my current game. I didn't sync up until I got to Skyhold (mostly because I just didn't want to deal with marking all the "new" stuff as not new anymore since it takes about forever). I figure amidst all the rubble and dust there had to be some good stuff in the basement too, maybe hiding in the vault even.
I also try to limit what I make based on my level. Until I'm lvl 7, I stick with what I find/buy; from 7 to 14, only lvl 2 schematics or what I find; lvl 15 to 21, lvl 3 schematics; once I hit lvl 21 then I can make whatever. I also allow myself to use DLC stuff if I play the DLC early. So, since I just finished Descent at lvl 18, I can use whatever gear I found there (and can equip) or I can use the DLC schematics even if they're outside my level limit.
For NM+trials, however, I let myself make whatever I want as soon I have the stuff to do it.
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