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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 29, 2017 7:06:21 GMT
I was going along, playing The Last Court, and noticed the Divine's description: "The Most Holy Justinia - fifth of her name, exalted servant of the Maker - is young, fair and gracious."
Keep in mind that The Last Court takes place directly before DAI; she is on her way to the Conclave when she visits Serault -- "The message is from the Divine Justinia herself: fifth of her name, exalted servant of the Maker, supreme ruler of the Chantry. She is travelling to a peace summit, and her great Progress will bring her to Serault," -- so her age would be the same as we see her.
This is, of course, a contrast to her aged appearance in DAI itself. I can't find any other information as to her age. I know that, as Dorothea, she was a Revered Mother when Leliana met her and received her aid. There has also been mention of her worldly past, but nothing more than that.
So which is the correct representation? I'm inclined to go with the actual game, but I do find the discrepancy curious, and a bit annoying (as are all such discrepancies).
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Post by pessimistpanda on Nov 29, 2017 7:15:44 GMT
Those little side games aren't usually done by the "main" DA team, is my understanding. For the purpose of going forward in the main series, her representation in DA:I will undoubtedly be considered canon.
Possibly they meant relatively 'young', compared to past Divines?
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Post by Fredward on Nov 29, 2017 7:24:33 GMT
Dorothea aged like garbage from Leliana's Song till Inquisition, apparently Leliana joined the Lothering chantry in 9:28 so presumably she crossed paths with Dorothea not too long before that. She was elected Divine in 9:34 and dies in 9:41 math isn't my strong suit but lets like eyeball that and say there's at most 13-15 year difference from Dorothea going from this: to this: so if I had to guess Bioware told Failbetter that Justinia was in her late 50s maybe early sixties which I suppose might be interpreted as "young, fair and gracious" when compared to the average contemporary religious authority but then Bioware decided that Divine years were like president years on bathsalts. Might also have been to contrast the outgoing Divine with the new one all of which are young (again, relatively speaking).
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 29, 2017 7:29:43 GMT
Those little side games aren't usually done by the "main" DA team, is my understanding. That's true, but you can also say that same about the Dawn of the Seeker anime movie, whose events and Cassandra backstory are canon, as related in DAI itself. While it wasn't done by the DA team itself, they are consulted and provide resources, just as they also do for the comics. Because of that, I don't think it's so simple to just dismiss it because it wasn't done by the main DA folks. In addition, they aren't even consistent when it IS them, as happened with some of World of Thedas. Also, you have to consider that Serault itself and your actions there are represented in DAI; references are made to DA2 with the choice regarding Carver; and Morrigan is also featured, providing a fun way to incorporate the eluvian in a non-spoilery way that only a person who has played the game will notice. As I said, I'm inclined to go with the game's representation.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 29, 2017 7:33:34 GMT
Dorothea aged like garbage from Leliana's Song till Inquisition... I don't think it's fair to use those in-game representations. The game graphics and engines are too different. The older folks in DAO all used the same facial texture, which Dorothea uses. In DAI, Justinia V gets a unique face.
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Post by phoray on Nov 29, 2017 14:28:02 GMT
Is the LAst Court any actual fun to play? I think I made an account once and didn't really know what I was doing and then turned it off. I don't get what this game is supposed to do
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 29, 2017 17:43:37 GMT
I've been checking in Asunder and I think the indications are that she is young compared with the previous Divine. Apparently Beatrix had been in post for fifty years at her death and was doddering and senile for some time before that, so much so that people had become accustomed to having an ancient and wizened old woman in the post and were not comfortable with Justinia because she did seem so hale and hearty in comparison.
If you think about it, though, she had to be at least in her mid forties if she had a former life before entering the Chantry, then met Leliana prior to the 5th Blight. Some people age physically better than others, although I have to admit I thought it was odd how old Justinia looked in DAI bearing in mind what David Gaider had written about her in Asunder.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 29, 2017 17:48:37 GMT
Is the LAst Court any actual fun to play? I think I made an account once and didn't really know what I was doing and then turned it off. I don't get what this game is supposed to do The problem I found with it was that you could only do so much each day, which meant it took a long time to complete and was inconvenient as I prefer to play when I have the time to do so. I wasn't entirely sure how some of the decisions worked either but that was likely due to the fact that there was the time lag between them. It was just an amusing way to fill time until DAI was released and I think if you completed it successfully you got so bonus content in game. Like you I never did finish it.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 30, 2017 0:37:10 GMT
Is the LAst Court any actual fun to play? I think I made an account once and didn't really know what I was doing and then turned it off. I don't get what this game is supposed to do After three years of avoiding it, I finally got around to finishing it. I'm not crazy about text-based games. There is also a high degree of chance involved with the skill checks, which can be frustrating, but after a while it gets repetitive and your performance rote when the same cards appear, so you can eventually move through it. Having a guide for certain things also helped. After finally getting through my first play (which I restarted since it had been years), I'm now on a third so I can get things to work out to my preference (even though it doesn't actually matter; I have the window requirement by now). The problem I found with it was that you could only do so much each day, which meant it took a long time to complete and was inconvenient as I prefer to play when I have the time to do so. There are only seven Market Days before the Divine's arrival, which occur every 24 hours. After the last Market Day has happened, the Divine arrives; you have no choice in this. So, the whole game plays out over a week in real time. The problem with the time constraint are in the actions. You only have 20 actions to do things, which replenish at the rate of one every 20 minutes. After logging in and getting through a play session where you use up all your 20 actions, it will take just over six hours for all to refresh. Assuming you're not going to buy "dawn" (which I don't recommend because it's not worth it), the trick is to get multiple sessions in during a day so you can maximize your gameplay in between Market Days.
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Post by House Targaryen on Nov 30, 2017 4:59:14 GMT
It just goes to show that being a leader in politics or religion takes its toll on you.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Nov 30, 2017 10:34:17 GMT
It just goes to show that being a leader in politics or religion takes its toll on you. There's truth in that. Take a look at some leaders of the world; going in with a thick head of dark hair, leaving with more lines, thinning hair that's going white after they complete their term.
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Post by House Targaryen on Nov 30, 2017 18:01:11 GMT
It just goes to show that being a leader in politics or religion takes its toll on you. There's truth in that. Take a look at some leaders of the world; going in with a thick head of dark hair, leaving with more lines, thinning hair that's going white after they complete their term. Yeah just look at the US presidents before and after they leave office. I sure wouldn't want their job.
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Post by Nyralim on Nov 30, 2017 21:00:18 GMT
Living inside the domain of a super spirit like nightmare in the fade no less, who know what effects that brings with it. Something that will let Vivienne hate the fade and 'demons' even more. They make you look older faster Mostly I think its just done on purpose to let it her character be more believable. THE head of a southern institution and she is being portrayed as being young'ish'. The older one looks, the more we presume the person has more experience and wisdom in life. And like it is being said before, having that much pressure, knowing the core secrets of the Chantry and in the middle of a crisis Southern Thedas is experiencing, it is a heavy burden. Especially when you considering Justinia is trying to balance all these problems from spinning even further out of control and trying to solve them. Not only would it mentally tax you heavy, but it can't be healthy for your physique with the amount of hours she's pouring (presumingly) into. Lack of sleep for example really does a number on people, some people even show it easier.
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Post by Superhik on Nov 30, 2017 21:19:44 GMT
It just goes to show that being a leader in politics or religion takes its toll on you. There's truth in that. Take a look at some leaders of the world; going in with a thick head of dark hair, leaving with more lines, thinning hair that's going white after they complete their term. well not all of them. Kim here barely looks any different, minus the hair split
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Post by Iakus on Dec 4, 2017 16:52:25 GMT
Those little side games aren't usually done by the "main" DA team, is my understanding. That's true, but you can also say that same about the Dawn of the Seeker anime movie, whose events and Cassandra backstory are canon, as related in DAI itself. While it wasn't done by the DA team itself, they are consulted and provide resources, just as they also do for the comics. Because of that, I don't think it's so simple to just dismiss it because it wasn't done by the main DA folks. In addition, they aren't even consistent when it IS them, as happened with some of World of Thedas. Also, you have to consider that Serault itself and your actions there are represented in DAI; references are made to DA2 with the choice regarding Carver; and Morrigan is also featured, providing a fun way to incorporate the eluvian in a non-spoilery way that only a person who has played the game will notice. As I said, I'm inclined to go with the game's representation. I take Dawn of the Seeker as being one of those exaggerated retellings of what truly happened that annoy Cassandra so much.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 5, 2017 1:41:13 GMT
I take Dawn of the Seeker as being one of those exaggerated retellings of what truly happened that annoy Cassandra so much. Some of the details, perhaps, but the base events are canon. We even meet her future boyfriend, that you learn about during her romance, in the movie; you can see some sparks flying in the movie as well.
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