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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Jan 3, 2018 15:19:29 GMT
There are no physical issues with them. It's a security issue that they can't address, but someone has to or else millions of systems are vulnerable and they will address it by creating a software buffer, which in turn slows down performance. But what kind of security issue? In a nutshell, the bug allows everyday programs to "illegally" access certain contents in protected kernel memory. Which means, a browser can be exploited by just visiting a malicious website and your PC is owned.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jan 4, 2018 1:29:09 GMT
ARM too? Jesus. I guess it's time to delete all your nude selfies on your phone.
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Post by Superhik on Jan 4, 2018 1:55:30 GMT
Ordered i5 8400 the other day, then cancelled it when I membered Constanza philosophy ( "always do the opposite of what you think is right"). Not trusting yourself can be a good idea, at times, hehe.
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Post by Pearl on Jan 4, 2018 2:29:02 GMT
AMD security update, claiming that two of the three variants they examined do not affect their products due to architectural differences, and the third one is resolved in coming OS updates. The Spectre vulnerability would be variants one and two, while the Meltdown vulnerability, variant three, is Intel-specific. Whether AMD's claims are true or not remains to be seen.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 4, 2018 2:31:19 GMT
Lucky too that I don't own or use a smart/cell phone. Only Landline for me: Also all of this explains why all my previous Intel chips went and fried with my multi-tasking. Just further reason I will stick with AMD it seems forever. And NO I am not getting into it here. Just ask bmwcrazy or find that thread on your own.
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Post by nanotm on Jan 4, 2018 3:22:15 GMT
its amazing how they claim amd is affected, even the google research states you have to deliberately do something ultra stupid to make the handful of specific ryzen cpu's (not even all ryzen cpu's) vulnerable to one exploit (it actually requires you to disable several things that also cripple the cpu's normal performance and none of those things are part of the standard setup or tweaks any normal user would ever make in attempting to boost performance) no other amd cpu is listed as "vulnerable" and they point out there is no current way to leverage any of the other exploit variants to work against amd cpu's .... that Reuters article reads just like several others which are very much slanted as pro intel (the same fuckers that knew about this exact problem back in 1995 and chose to ignore it because fixing it crippled the intel ipc advantage) amd literally has to do nothing to make its hardware safe in this instance however intel has been pushing hard for os makers to cripple their performance as well as intels own performance which by all accounts should be between 30% and 50% reduced in capability on all ht enabled cpu's (because of the earlier ht bug widely reported in july last year the fix for which was to disable HT) what makes me laugh a lot is when amd first made dual core cpu's for industry this exact "bug/flaw" was used against them to all but force them out of the server market.... roll forwards more than 2 decades and oh look intel's been caught with its pants down on the exact same issue (and yes AMD really was better in raw performance than intel and was scooping up the server market because intel couldn't outperform them) amd never recovered from that and has been struggling ever since to regain market share.... and now intel is getting flak for this and the markets are taking a very dim view of them trying to share the pain around .... its going to get worse for them when arm sue over being licenced dodgy hardware architecture that left their own cpu's vulnerable.... hopefully very bad indeed... coupled with the multiple law suits that will emerge from this as more becomes known about just how many times meltdown has bene used on businesses (and the only reason google "found" this problem was them trying to work out how several big hacks took place in the last few years)
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Jan 4, 2018 4:26:44 GMT
From Linus Torvalds <> Date Wed, 3 Jan 2018 15:51:35 -0800 Subject Re: Avoid speculative indirect calls in kernel share 0 share 147 On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote: > This is a fix for Variant 2 in > googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.html> > Any speculative indirect calls in the kernel can be tricked > to execute any kernel code, which may allow side channel > attacks that can leak arbitrary kernel data. Why is this all done without any configuration options? A *competent* CPU engineer would fix this by making sure speculation doesn't happen across protection domains. Maybe even a L1 I$ that is keyed by CPL. I think somebody inside of Intel needs to really take a long hard look at their CPU's, and actually admit that they have issues instead of writing PR blurbs that say that everything works as designed. .. and that really means that all these mitigation patches should be written with "not all CPU's are crap" in mind. Or is Intel basically saying "we are committed to selling you shit forever and ever, and never fixing anything"? Because if that's the case, maybe we should start looking towards the ARM64 people more. Please talk to management. Because I really see exactly two possibibilities: - Intel never intends to fix anything OR - these workarounds should have a way to disable them. Which of the two is it? Linus
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jan 4, 2018 7:34:21 GMT
Also all of this explains why all my previous Intel chips went and fried with my multi-tasking. Just further reason I will stick with AMD it seems forever. And NO I am not getting into it here. Just ask bmwcrazy or find that thread on your own. Ask me about what? How you fried your CPUs? How would I know? Honestly, I'd like to know how you did it as well. I've been building my own PCs for 20 years and I haven't fried any CPUs yet, AMD or Intel.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 4, 2018 8:01:20 GMT
Also all of this explains why all my previous Intel chips went and fried with my multi-tasking. Just further reason I will stick with AMD it seems forever. And NO I am not getting into it here. Just ask bmwcrazy or find that thread on your own. Ask me about what? How you fried your CPUs? How would I know? Honestly, I'd like to know how you did it as well. I've been building my own PCs for 20 years and I haven't fried any CPUs yet, AMD or Intel. What we talked about in the other thread: Page 2My severe multi-tasking. The multiple games, multiple audio encoding, multiple video encoding, multiple browsers & tabs all running at the same time. Which reminds me I hate the hard Firefox limit of 2.6GB of Ram usage: 20 Youtube pages and 10 Giphy pages and Firefox crashes. Every time I tried it with an Intel CPU it would crash and burn after 6 to 12 hours continuous use -If it even lasted that long. All the while the computer is jagging and slowing down getting worse the longer it runs till it locks up and burns out the hardware. Never had this issue with an Amd CPU -with no jagging in same settings no matter the length of time the computer is on. The severe multi-tasking is the only conclusion that I can reach as to why the Intel's died -13 fans should provide more than enough air. Also likewise I have been building computers for awhile -since 1995 -when I was eight. Unless you have some other idea as to why...
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jan 4, 2018 8:11:23 GMT
Ask me about what? How you fried your CPUs? How would I know? Honestly, I'd like to know how you did it as well. I've been building my own PCs for 20 years and I haven't fried any CPUs yet, AMD or Intel. What we talked about in the other thread: My severe multi-tasking. The multiple games, multiple audio encoding, multiple video encoding, multiple browsers & tabs all running at the same time. Which reminds me I hate the hard Firefox limit of 2.6GB of Ram usage: 20 Youtube pages and 10 Giphy pages and Firefox crashes. Every time I tried it with an Intel CPU it would crash and burn after 6 to 12 hours continuous use -If it even lasted that long. All the while the computer is jagging and slowing down getting worse the longer it runs till it locks up and burns out the hardware. Never had this issue with an Amd CPU -with no jagging in same settings no matter the length of time the computer is on. The severe multi-tasking is the only conclusion that I can reach as to why the Intel's died -13 fans should provide more than enough air. Also likewise I have been building computers for awhile -since 1995 -when I was eight. Either you're trolling or ... go see a doctor. I have hyperactivity, ADHD or some shiet and I jump from one wikipedia page to another, one forum page to another while reading a page of the book. Barely can watch a movie without checking the internet and stuff in the middle. Sometimes I get bored at the middle of most interesting music playing in the background of the most interesting book. Yet I'm not that insane to run 4 games, 20 YT pages, 10 GIFs, 5 programs etc. at the same time.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 4, 2018 8:23:06 GMT
What we talked about in the other thread: My severe multi-tasking. The multiple games, multiple audio encoding, multiple video encoding, multiple browsers & tabs all running at the same time. Which reminds me I hate the hard Firefox limit of 2.6GB of Ram usage: 20 Youtube pages and 10 Giphy pages and Firefox crashes. Every time I tried it with an Intel CPU it would crash and burn after 6 to 12 hours continuous use -If it even lasted that long. All the while the computer is jagging and slowing down getting worse the longer it runs till it locks up and burns out the hardware. Never had this issue with an Amd CPU -with no jagging in same settings no matter the length of time the computer is on. The severe multi-tasking is the only conclusion that I can reach as to why the Intel's died -13 fans should provide more than enough air. Also likewise I have been building computers for awhile -since 1995 -when I was eight. Either you're trolling or ... go see a doctor. I have hyperactivity, ADHD or some shiet and I jump from one wikipedia page to another, one forum page to another while reading a page of the book. Barely can watch a movie without checking the internet and stuff in the middle. Sometimes I get bored at the middle of most interesting music playing in the background of the most interesting book. Yet I'm not that insane to run 4 games, 20 YT pages, 10 GIFs, 5 programs etc. at the same time. I am not trolling. I am being serious. Nor do I have ADHD. I do have Aspergers -basically superhuman focus -maybe that plays into it. Magnified by the INTJ personality traits still... I digress: If you can't do this then you are not a true multi-tasker. As said this is a light day for me. I have too much that I want to do and not enough time to do everything I want to do then I will find a way to do it all. I don't have two computers so this is the work-horse computer and it can handle it. All I asked is if this could be the reason for the Intel chips I have used burning up. I have given the facts if you don't believe me I don't care. END OF LINE.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Jan 4, 2018 8:54:21 GMT
What we talked about in the other thread: My severe multi-tasking. The multiple games, multiple audio encoding, multiple video encoding, multiple browsers & tabs all running at the same time. Which reminds me I hate the hard Firefox limit of 2.6GB of Ram usage: 20 Youtube pages and 10 Giphy pages and Firefox crashes. Every time I tried it with an Intel CPU it would crash and burn after 6 to 12 hours continuous use -If it even lasted that long. All the while the computer is jagging and slowing down getting worse the longer it runs till it locks up and burns out the hardware. Never had this issue with an Amd CPU -with no jagging in same settings no matter the length of time the computer is on. The severe multi-tasking is the only conclusion that I can reach as to why the Intel's died -13 fans should provide more than enough air. Also likewise I have been building computers for awhile -since 1995 -when I was eight. Either you're trolling or ... go see a doctor. I have hyperactivity, ADHD or some shiet and I jump from one wikipedia page to another, one forum page to another while reading a page of the book. Barely can watch a movie without checking the internet and stuff in the middle. Sometimes I get bored at the middle of most interesting music playing in the background of the most interesting book. Yet I'm not that insane to run 4 games, 20 YT pages, 10 GIFs, 5 programs etc. at the same time. Unless there is a hardware glitch/mistake somewhere, you can't fry a CPU by running software. If he's in the habit of overclocking, ...well, then we have solved it already. Why would anyone fit 13 fans to a PC? That in itself is suspicious as hell. The number of fans don't matter if the cooling don't work. Since the P4, an overheating CPU will try to throttle itself in a number of ways. The original Intel-throttling is that the internal clock signal is simply disconnected for a moment. The CPU thus runs intermittently and executes much slower than its reported clockspeed. I believe that is still the last resort? Though these days much variable clocks are used to save power and reduce heat. The typical slowdown that computers can exhibit is not generally due to that though, or CPU at all. More often it's a memory issue or some software blocking something.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jan 4, 2018 9:16:39 GMT
The multiple games, multiple audio encoding, multiple video encoding, multiple browsers & tabs all running at the same time. Which reminds me I hate the hard Firefox limit of 2.6GB of Ram usage: 20 Youtube pages and 10 Giphy pages and Firefox crashes. Every time I tried it with an Intel CPU it would crash and burn after 6 to 12 hours continuous use -If it even lasted that long. All the while the computer is jagging and slowing down getting worse the longer it runs till it locks up and burns out the hardware. Never had this issue with an Amd CPU -with no jagging in same settings no matter the length of time the computer is on. The severe multi-tasking is the only conclusion that I can reach as to why the Intel's died -13 fans should provide more than enough air. Also likewise I have been building computers for awhile -since 1995 -when I was eight. Unless you have some other idea as to why... A good way to stress test a PC's CPU and RAM is by running Prime95. All the PCs that I've built in the recent years have all survived at least 24 hours of Prime95 without any errors and also without CPU thermal throttling. That means 100% load on all cores. If running 100% load for 24 hours haven't fried any of my CPUs, God knows what you have been doing with your PCs.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 4, 2018 9:25:58 GMT
The multiple games, multiple audio encoding, multiple video encoding, multiple browsers & tabs all running at the same time. Which reminds me I hate the hard Firefox limit of 2.6GB of Ram usage: 20 Youtube pages and 10 Giphy pages and Firefox crashes. Every time I tried it with an Intel CPU it would crash and burn after 6 to 12 hours continuous use -If it even lasted that long. All the while the computer is jagging and slowing down getting worse the longer it runs till it locks up and burns out the hardware. Never had this issue with an Amd CPU -with no jagging in same settings no matter the length of time the computer is on. The severe multi-tasking is the only conclusion that I can reach as to why the Intel's died -13 fans should provide more than enough air. Also likewise I have been building computers for awhile -since 1995 -when I was eight. Unless you have some other idea as to why... A good way to stress test a PC's CPU and RAM is by running Prime95. All the PCs that I've built in the recent years have all survived at least 24 hours of Prime95 without any errors and also without CPU thermal throttling. That means 100% load on all cores. If running 100% load for 24 hours haven't fried any of my CPUs, God knows what you have been doing with your PCs. Don't know either. On another thought... Isn't there an instruction set the Intel CPUs use that Amd CPUs do not use? Doubt that but maybe I am taking advantage of that?
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Post by Pearl on Jan 4, 2018 10:21:31 GMT
Preliminary results for Windows with the patch installed on an 8700K, in regular desktop usage. Most desktop applications won't be hitting the kernel very hard (if at all), in contrast to the server and enterprise tests which showed a major decrease in performance.
If you don't have time to watch the video, the majority of changes wind up falling within the margin of error, however there was a significant change in ATTO's 16KB read/write benchmark, with the post-patch system being about 10% slower.
In short: Very bad for Intel (especially with the news that the CEO sold off $24m worth of shares about a week or two before the vulnerability was publicized), bad for businesses and datacenters that rely on Intel-based machines, but thankfully it doesn't seem too bad for Joe Schmoe who just wants to play some games on his i5. Granted, this is only one set of tests done on one system, so that could change, but the initial results don't seem to be concerning.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jan 4, 2018 10:47:49 GMT
But what kind of security issue? In a nutshell, the bug allows everyday programs to "illegally" access certain contents in protected kernel memory. Which means, a browser can be exploited by just visiting a malicious website and your PC is owned. Exploited in what way?
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Jan 4, 2018 11:19:56 GMT
In a nutshell, the bug allows everyday programs to "illegally" access certain contents in protected kernel memory. Which means, a browser can be exploited by just visiting a malicious website and your PC is owned. Exploited in what way? A script kiddy with the attack code can steal your passwords and ANY data that is stored in memory.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jan 4, 2018 11:39:41 GMT
A script kiddy with the attack code can steal your passwords and ANY data that is stored in memory. Can anti-viruses prevent it?
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Post by nanotm on Jan 4, 2018 11:40:46 GMT
A script kiddy with the attack code can steal your passwords and ANY data that is stored in memory. on the intel cpu without ht disabled he can also steal control of your pc through this side channel attack...... thats because of another "bug" in the cpu's that manufactures released a beta bios to "fix" (perma disable ht) and thats where the majority of the processor degradation hit occurs (especially on earlier generations of cpu's that relied heavily on HT) this latest performance downgrade to patch out meltdown might only do a 5% performance hit for end users but if you still have HT enabled your bigger problem is spectre attacks (which cant be blocked as yet) will still be able to steal control of your pc thanks to the IME feature..... theres a reason why even when i had enough cash to build 20 pc's i bought an amd rig
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Post by nanotm on Jan 4, 2018 11:43:20 GMT
A script kiddy with the attack code can steal your passwords and ANY data that is stored in memory. Can anti-viruses prevent it? no but most of them will amplify the attack's effect by classifying the underlying code as "safe" which grants it the ability to then run new code to start taking control of the system
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Post by Urizen on Jan 4, 2018 12:42:02 GMT
A good way to stress test a PC's CPU and RAM is by running Prime95. All the PCs that I've built in the recent years have all survived at least 24 hours of Prime95 without any errors and also without CPU thermal throttling. That means 100% load on all cores. If running 100% load for 24 hours haven't fried any of my CPUs, God knows what you have been doing with your PCs. Sure, but depending on setting, it checks either CPU or RAM or both. So worst case scenario, it heats up two components. Your average cooling solution has no probs with that on a normal day. Now throw in furmark, add in a tool that tortures your hdd like there´s no tomorrow and shit gets real. Because now every component heats up including your PSU. That is a surefire way to destroy a system in the long run. His system burning up isn´t because of some architectural issue, he´s just running too much shit at the same time.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Jan 4, 2018 20:59:35 GMT
A good way to stress test a PC's CPU and RAM is by running Prime95. All the PCs that I've built in the recent years have all survived at least 24 hours of Prime95 without any errors and also without CPU thermal throttling. That means 100% load on all cores. If running 100% load for 24 hours haven't fried any of my CPUs, God knows what you have been doing with your PCs. Sure, but depending on setting, it checks either CPU or RAM or both. So worst case scenario, it heats up two components. Your average cooling solution has no probs with that on a normal day. Now throw in furmark, add in a tool that tortures your hdd like there´s no tomorrow and shit gets real. Because now every component heats up including your PSU. That is a surefire way to destroy a system in the long run. His system burning up isn´t because of some architectural issue, he´s just running too much shit at the same time. No. Not unless his fans are doing something funny, which they could well do, considering that he has 13 of them. The way you build a normal ATX-format PC is simple and requires no more than one, maybe two extra, low power, silent fans. Rather modest airflow through is enough to keep the PC cool. The thing to be observant about is that the air pressure inside the box must not be more than very, very marginally lower than outside. How do you check that? Pay attention to airflow through PSU and case temperature. The case should be absolutely cool. It shouldn't even be lukewarm. And there should be a healthy exhaust airflow out from the PSU, keeping it cool. If it isn't, what could be the problem? Too many and too powerful exhaust fans. What do you do about it? Open more & bigger inlets at the front. Removing a cover or two at empty drive bays is the easiest way. That should allow enough airflow through the case even with weak exhaust fans. And if it's cool inside, the CPU-cooler should work properly, keeping the CPU cool. Hdd's could become too warm if installed 'funny', but they're not a relevant heat source. The biggest heatsource in a gaming- or workstation- PC is the graphics card. Normally the graphics cool themselves and you need only pay attention to where it dumps the heat. If it has its own exhaust your only worry is if you have enough inlets, as I've mentioned above.
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Post by nanotm on Jan 4, 2018 21:53:42 GMT
Sure, but depending on setting, it checks either CPU or RAM or both. So worst case scenario, it heats up two components. Your average cooling solution has no probs with that on a normal day. Now throw in furmark, add in a tool that tortures your hdd like there´s no tomorrow and shit gets real. Because now every component heats up including your PSU. That is a surefire way to destroy a system in the long run. His system burning up isn´t because of some architectural issue, he´s just running too much shit at the same time. No. Not unless his fans are doing something funny, which they could well do, considering that he has 13 of them. The way you build a normal ATX-format PC is simple and requires no more than one, maybe two extra, low power, silent fans. Rather modest airflow through is enough to keep the PC cool. The thing to be observant about is that the air pressure inside the box must not be more than very, very marginally lower than outside. How do you check that? Pay attention to airflow through PSU and case temperature. The case should be absolutely cool. It shouldn't even be lukewarm. And there should be a healthy exhaust airflow out from the PSU, keeping it cool. If it isn't, what could be the problem? Too many and too powerful exhaust fans. What do you do about it? Open more & bigger inlets at the front. Removing a cover or two at empty drive bays is the easiest way. That should allow enough airflow through the case even with weak exhaust fans. And if it's cool inside, the CPU-cooler should work properly, keeping the CPU cool. Hdd's could become too warm if installed 'funny', but they're not a relevant heat source. The biggest heatsource in a gaming- or workstation- PC is the graphics card. Normally the graphics cool themselves and you need only pay attention to where it dumps the heat. If it has its own exhaust your only worry is if you have enough inlets, as I've mentioned above. spinners will get hot (like burning to the touch hot) if you dont have air flowing over them and there doing a lot of work, ssd's can also get hot if there doing a lot of work, and nvme drives get hot even just sitting there powered on never mind if your working them (which is why you can buy aftermarket cooling solutions for them that also need fan coverage for best results) air pressure inside the case should be above standard room pressure to keep dust out of the case, exhaust fans are irrelevant the air has to get out and will leave through every nook and cranny available including the giant grill on the back of the case, your better off having 2 or 3 fans sucking air in the front (through a dust filter) and one sucking air up through the bottom of the case (through a dust filter) all running at decent speeds than having any exhaust fans, positive internal pressure wants to get out so it gets out wherever it can, if you have fans on the exhaust you can create negative pressure in the case and harm cooling efforts as air is dragged in to fill the void from every nook and cranny ... i have 5x mini fans(20>50mm) inside my case pushing air into things like the motherboard heat sinks the ram heat sinks the hard drives (to keep them below 40 degrees c) and 4 x 140mm inlet fans with zero exhaust fans, warm air floods out of my case from all over the place because my inlets are creating positive pressure inside the case lots of cool air being sucked out of the room at large and then pushed back into it creating a lovely heat flow in the room, my pc will heat up my room by several degrees without any problems and its a fairly modest system, fx8350 @4.5Ghz with a rx480 @stock without the cooling fans on the drives they get up to 40 degrees on idle and under load (like when i did some video editing) spiked up to 60 degrees, optimum temp for them is 30>35 so temp reactive fans running on them keep them going at nice 35 degree average , the mobo fans keep the vrms below 60 whilst the cpu is pulling max power and the gfx card stays under 65unless the room is above 30 degrees (but thats a horrible temp to be sat in and when the room goes above 25 i just open the door so air circulates round the house)
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