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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2018 12:47:05 GMT
This seems to be an ongoing debate, so who's telling the truth?
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Jan 17, 2018 20:24:55 GMT
Let me put it this way:
If you take an asian, a white and a black person in USA, and then assume that the asian is going to have the highest IQ, the white person the second highest - second lowest, and the black person the lowest IQ, then you have a 96% chance of being wrong.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2018 21:03:39 GMT
Let me put it this way: If you take an asian, a white and a black person in USA, and then assume that the asian is going to have the highest IQ, the white person the second highest - second lowest, and the black person the lowest IQ, then you have a 96% chance of being wrong. But there's still a racial gap?
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Post by nanotm on Jan 17, 2018 21:06:12 GMT
This seems to be an ongoing debate, so who's telling the truth? since "iq" tests generally only test for your ability to solve certain types of problems in a set time frame there not actually that useful, certainly when i was at school i scored very high becasue i spent half my day learning and practicing those types of problem solving, as i got older i moved on to other types of problem solving and so through skill fade my "iq" test score was lower (same test taken 15 years apart) of course you can game the system by spending a couple of hours every day for a few weeks doing practice tests.... this is why other types of tests are more useful (like general knowledge tests with a thousand questions and 8 hours to finish) the first time i did an actual iq test i was 12 (so it was a junior test) a score above 140 was considered way over average (at the time) but a few years later doing the adult test i scored 140 as well.... 15 years later i scored 120 on the exact same test paper (becasue the military loves keeping all that shit in a file for comparisons) on a different more advanced version of the test package i still hit the 140 mark..... hell just having a bad day can kill your score ...... as to race related scores, there irrelevant unless you literally take 1 person from each race put them in the same classes from day 1 kindy to graduation and then test them, and not just one class like this but a thousand of them to give you a realistic average based on equality of opportunity (all having been gifted the exact same education opportunities) you cant take kids from an ivy league prep school and kids from the state school in queens, test them and then proclaim one group is better than the others when they have unequal footing which means your pre loading the outcome from the start which is another major reason why IQ tests are so flawed as an analysis metric, about the only thing there good for is bragging rights when you waste hundreds of pounds and join mensa (ok i might be bitter becasue i got free entry to mensa via foundation scholarship as a kid and then found out it meant nothing did nothing for you unless you were a paid member, couldn't even go to the summer camp.....) as to where you can find those hidden gems of ultra smart people, well in all walks of life, kid i helped tutor some years back both his parents were mentally retarded (and no thats not being derogatory, that was the clinical diagnosis they were given back before it got outlawed by the pc brigade) but the kid was smart as a carrot ended up doing really well (straight a's in highschool and at college before he got fully sponsored to go to uni with a job at the end of his degree... shit like that is all random in all racial groups!
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2018 21:40:14 GMT
So... still racial test score gap?
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Post by Beerfish on Jan 17, 2018 21:47:41 GMT
Is that Rowdy Roddy Piper????
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2018 22:11:12 GMT
Is that Rowdy Roddy Piper???? Yes. It's a must see movie, but too bad the twist has been revealed to you. Watching it for first time recently without knowing anything about it made for an epic experience. Great ending too.
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Post by Pearl on Jan 17, 2018 23:07:15 GMT
Who cares?
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Post by jaison1986 on Jan 17, 2018 23:13:56 GMT
How else are we supposed to start a race war?
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 18, 2018 4:00:18 GMT
IQ tests or testing in general?
Because there is an aggregate academic performance racial gap, in the US anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 4:06:17 GMT
Lemme fix that for ya... THIS JUST IN: WHO FUCKING CARES?I hate this subject and debate it never leads to anything productive or helpful to the human race. Fuck this "debate" and those who keep pushing it as something that needs to be discussed. At the end of the day, you're more likely to have a lower iq when you're surrounded by poverty and lack positive influences. There's no guarantee either way.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Jan 18, 2018 6:51:25 GMT
Let me put it this way: If you take an asian, a white and a black person in USA, and then assume that the asian is going to have the highest IQ, the white person the second highest - second lowest, and the black person the lowest IQ, then you have a 96% chance of being wrong. But there's still a racial gap? It depends on what you mean by a "gap". Regardless, I think I made my point about what practical use such knowledge has.
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Post by Urizen on Jan 18, 2018 9:21:59 GMT
Yes. Cats obviously being the true overlords of the world. /thread
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 18, 2018 9:48:49 GMT
This seems to be an ongoing debate, so who's telling the truth? As I understand it, there is an "educational achievement gap" between white and black children and students on the aggregate level, i.e. in the average of the respective population groups. The debate is mostly about how big it is and especially about the underlying causes. Statistics of this kind can have significant bias based on how you classify people, or how they classify themselves. Race is, after all, not a hard criterion of classification and subject to a person's cultural perception, among other things. Also, studies may or may not control for socioeconomic background. I haven't studied this in detail, but it's possible that this achievement gap vanishes when you control for socioeconomic background. This would mean that being black or white ceases to be an independent factor for achievement, the observed effects instead being dependent on socioeconomic status. This would move the problem from an educational one to one of the effects of socioeconomic background. Both are hindrances to equal opportunity, but differ in the methods you might use to address them. I can't cite any studies as to the causes, but I think there may be two main causes for this: First, informal discrimination. Most people aren't racists and get on perfectly well with people of all ethniticies in their social environment, with socioeconomic status being the big separator rather than ethnicity. However, when making decisions about people they don't know personally, they tend to choose the familiar - for instance if you rent out an appartment, you choose the white family over the black one, the one with a German name rather than the one with the Turkish name etc.. This behaviour has been observed in studies and it is heavily influenced by racial and cultural stereotypes and narratives which nobody can escape. Second, where a population group has its own cultural stereotypes and narratives, these can be psychologically detrimental for achievement. To cite a non-racial example, among youth culture there was (and possibly still is) a cultural stereotype that being bad at math was cool. This can be something of a self-fulfilling prophecy. You will find that those who internalized that stereotype are, indeed, much worse in math on average, and generally lower in achievement overall since the stereotype justifies being lazy in learning the difficult subjects that are necessary to understand for most higher education, even in the social sciences.
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 18, 2018 10:27:28 GMT
Let me put it this way: If you take an asian, a white and a black person in USA, and then assume that the asian is going to have the highest IQ, the white person the second highest - second lowest, and the black person the lowest IQ, then you have a 96% chance of being wrong. LOL. While possibly true, this is a nice example of structural bias, i.e. the structure of the example influences the result. If you take out any one of the three people - doesn't matter which one - your chance of being wrong about the other two would go down signficantly - and it would go down below 50% if there is any significant difference at all on the aggregate level. Edit. Actually, this 96% claim can't be true. Suppose average intelligence doesn't vary between the groups, then you'll have a 50% probability of being wrong when comparing two people, one of each group. Then add one of a third group and compare them to the other two, adding two chances of 50% for being wrong. That means with no difference in average IQ between the groups, any guess is wrong 87.5% of the time (1/2³). Now add that there *are* differences in average IQ test scores, and your chance of being wrong will be significantly lower than that. Not that I recommend actually using such population-based data to judge individual people, that's stupid (and racist). This is just a nice example of the pitfalls of statistics.
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Post by mybudgee on Jan 18, 2018 19:05:47 GMT
Indeed. Let's shoe-horn race/gender into every goddamn debate possible
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 19:12:20 GMT
While I like to think there's no intelligence gap between different races, there is troubling evidence:
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Post by mybudgee on Jan 18, 2018 19:25:02 GMT
This is a MUCH more pressing question:
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Post by jaison1986 on Jan 18, 2018 19:25:02 GMT
While I like to think there's no intelligence gap between different races, there is troubling evidence: Troubling in the political sense? Cause the most troubling thing I see here is how black americans overwhelmingly vote for the party that defended slavery and was involved in the foundation of the KKK.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jan 18, 2018 19:47:54 GMT
While I like to think there's no intelligence gap between different races, there is troubling evidence: Troubling in the political sense? Cause the most troubling thing I see here is how black americans overwhelmingly vote for the party that defended slavery and was involved in the foundation of the KKK.
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Post by Ocelot on Jan 18, 2018 20:07:40 GMT
While I like to think there's no intelligence gap between different races, there is troubling evidence: Troubling in the political sense? Cause the most troubling thing I see here is how black americans overwhelmingly vote for the party that defended slavery and was involved in the foundation of the KKK. You mean a bunch of people that died ages ago? Like all those people that commited slavery that we shouldn't feel white guilt over since they also died ages ago?
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Post by jaison1986 on Jan 18, 2018 20:47:51 GMT
Troubling in the political sense? Cause the most troubling thing I see here is how black americans overwhelmingly vote for the party that defended slavery and was involved in the foundation of the KKK. You mean a bunch of people that died ages ago? Like all those people that commited slavery that we shouldn't feel white guilt over since they also died ages ago? You're so right. I'm not sure why people oppose neo nazis so much, or communist middle class kids. I mean, the people responsible for the German nazi party are long dead, and so are the founders of the soviet union. Just because the democrats changed from a whip to a cheap pay check, doesn't mean they aren't trying to control people under them, especially black americans. I wonder what you would say to this fellow? would you call him an uncle tom? Race traitor maybe?
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