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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 23, 2018 14:51:36 GMT
Seems we still can discuss builds and gameplay out there, so here s the guy i find the most versatile to play. U can build him in all direction, melee, power and biotic combo spam, inci cheese, barrier spam and weapons of course. He s UberFAT, but fast and tanky ! And what s the best about him, is that u can combine all them direction in one build and enjoy them in game, switching from melee to SW spam or anything you feel like. For that i go 46646 build with graal. 4 In barrier for enhanced detonation to stagger mooks, i leave it off and double tap in case of more than 2 deadly mooks around Maxxed warp and SW cause BE are too good. Recharge option rank 5 or 6 if claymore or graal 4 in passive and full melee Then for soloing, i go back to full fitness and inci ammo, but still try to play CQC most of the time. Did one recently for the themed challenge thread on jade cerb with claymore: I m not really happy with the gameplay, but as usual, u dont get good obj and good gameplay at the same time Disruptor ammo can be good, and i think u can double combo an atlas with TB + BE with the same SW (two instances, one in front and one behind it), but cant tell for sure
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Post by larsdt on Jan 23, 2018 15:25:59 GMT
Versatility is indeed the key word - I've used a lot of respec cards on this guy to try out the options you've already mentioned. I also did my 1st bronze solos with him. It's probably redundant to mention here since all the regulars here in the MP subforum have a lot of experience, but I would still recommend him the most for an entry level character; He's tanky and you can't really spec him wrong. My most heretic build was to spec him without Shockwave. With a heavy shotgun, he has quite a long cooldown time, so it was just faster to shoot/melee enemies. Besides, he's a Krogan - leave all that fancy combo stuff to the Pyjaks. With Warp alone, he still has both a debuffer, primer and detonator. I would recommend going for the Warp>Shockwave combo though. To me, that's what sets him apart from the KroSol/KroSent, along with some funny moments when you set off that barrier
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Post by inert on Jan 23, 2018 15:42:09 GMT
No passives melee/barrier spam build w/Graal. Weaker melee than the KroSent, but hilarious barrier use. Can offer some biotic support for lobby synergy.
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Post by Arkhne on Jan 23, 2018 15:59:02 GMT
My Boring Shaman, the less boring bit is how I play him, I actually don't use my shotgun much outside of hacks (Wraith works just fine at most ranged), but my prefered method of dealing with shields is melee (so I sometimes spec 5a/6a fitness instead of passive), warp->melee->shockwave kills most non-bosses, and is in-your-face enough to justify for a krogan, whilst still being an adepty-boomy specialist. Ok, I lied, it's still boring. But RARWH-y!
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Post by muahmuah on Jan 23, 2018 16:07:04 GMT
I use Shaman with that build.Note that is my build for solos.For team games i use GS instead AC.There was only on exception for my first run of the Awaking the eye of the wrath on Plat.For many of us that build will be booring,but i prefer fast killing and hate mele style gameplay.
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Post by DistigousForest on Jan 23, 2018 17:15:47 GMT
Here's my standard Plat Build for him. I'll sometimes take Warp ammo, but I like to stick with AP for the piercing. There's also the cheese build or the Claymore build. I don't run a melee build on him as I always liked the BEs he makes. I used this for Awakening the Eye of Wrath.
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Booms.
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Post by K_O_513 on Jan 23, 2018 20:10:25 GMT
Run a melee / shield regen / biotic explosion build. Barrier + Shield Power Cells makes you pretty tanky as you regen shields almost instantly. I use an acolyte + melee stunner to pimp slap the little guys the first few waves then strip shields/barriers on bosses. Have a wraith sidearm for armor and warp + incendiary cheese if necessary.
Not a score-whoring build but it gets the job done against every faction.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 23, 2018 20:39:19 GMT
long time i havent played a shield regen build, i should retry
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Jan 23, 2018 21:41:53 GMT
Shaman is just a much worse Human Adept. No real crowd control powers, no dodge, can't pack heavy weapons like other Krogans or his power recharge goes to shit. Never liked the guy.
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Post by MPApr2012 on Jan 24, 2018 1:30:15 GMT
Shaman is just a much worse Human Adept. No real crowd control powers, no dodge, can't pack heavy weapons like other Krogans or his power recharge goes to shit. Never liked the guy. Tsk-tsk-tsk... Let's wait for Grunt to wake up and see this i get a feeling a Shadow thread version 2 might be coming. But. The intent and manner of the presentation aside heheheh i kinda agree Shaman's power play is much more subjected to weights indeed all the while melee/weapon play with the other Krogans is just... more fun. That sort of does place Shaman low on the list of my favourite Krogans too, on par with the Krolord, really.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jan 24, 2018 4:37:44 GMT
I usually go 66644 or 46646, with Venom or Wraith, sometimes Graal. Love the bigtime BEs. Super tanky, very versatile. As someone else said, not a crazy score-whoring kit, but very reliable in basically any situation.
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Post by muahmuah on Jan 24, 2018 5:37:16 GMT
Shaman is just a much worse Human Adept. No real crowd control powers, no dodge, can't pack heavy weapons like other Krogans or his power recharge goes to shit. Never liked the guy. Blocked,reported.Shaman is a machine,so L2 problem spotted.
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Post by BlackMage on Jan 24, 2018 9:44:28 GMT
I drop Warp and go for a melee build. Claymore+Incendiary ammo to set up FE against armor and Shockwave to hide reload and detonate FE. Against mooks, Shockwave to stagger and melee for the kill.
Not the most optimal build but most fun build for me.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 24, 2018 14:23:22 GMT
Shaman is just a much worse Human Adept. No real crowd control powers, no dodge, can't pack heavy weapons like other Krogans or his power recharge goes to shit. Never liked the guy. well, soloing plat with the shaman is pretty easy, while u may suffer with the HA. Barrier is a CC power, well more a shit button i admit. He clearly can pack a claymore (3.3sec) or a grall (2.7) without hurting CD to much, i dont see the pb. At least he packs more weight than the HA, without hurting CD. Barrier should be left off in most situation imo. The krogan aspect is really appreciable against phantom as he can tank few pew pew sessions (3?). It seems i m not staggering phantom with 4 in barrier and 4 in passive, i would have bet i do though ? i really like that he s adapatable to any situation and that u keep 2 to 3 gameplay option at anytime, even on plat. Well, collector plat on open maps makes meleing a bit tedious, but u stil have abos to launch on your teammates ...
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Jan 24, 2018 14:51:17 GMT
Shaman is just a much worse Human Adept. No real crowd control powers, no dodge, can't pack heavy weapons like other Krogans or his power recharge goes to shit. Never liked the guy. well, soloing plat with the shaman is pretty easy, while u may suffer with the HA. Barrier is a CC power, well more a shit button i admit. He clearly can pack a claymore (3.3sec) or a grall (2.7) without hurting CD to much, i dont see the pb. At least he packs more weight than the HA, without hurting CD. Barrier should be left off in most situation imo. The krogan aspect is really appreciable against phantom as he can tank few pew pew sessions (3?). It seems i m not staggering phantom with 4 in barrier and 4 in passive, i would have bet i do though ? i really like that he s adapatable to any situation and that u keep 2 to 3 gameplay option at anytime, even on plat. Well, collector plat on open maps makes meleing a bit tedious, but u stil have abos to launch on your teammates ... Soloing Platinum with HA is easier. Any Singularity can turn into a triple explosion. HA can hold doorways like a 300 pound gorilla. HA can hold shielded enemies from doing anything with Singularity. And if caught in the open - can dodge roll from something like Ravagers or Turrets, while the Shaman will eat all the shots and neither his health nor shields nor Barrier will prevent him from dying. Also, if a Banshee pops through a wall on him - he's done, if a Phantom manages to stagger him - he's done, Barrier explosions do not always work. His Warp seems buggier than the HA's, maybe cos of his size or short hands, but his Warp causes more problems to me. Also with HA, you can strafe from cover, cast Singularity and then detonate it trough walls with Shockwave, much more reliably, than casting Warp with a Shaman, cos Singularity has a huge radius. HA can biotic explode stuff from any range. Short, medium, long - doesn't matter, you have all the things covered, all the maps covered. With Shaman, all your Biotic explosions come from short range. The Shaman also comes with more sacrifices. If he wants to be a good melee character, he will have to forgo a lot of health, if he wants full Barrier, something has to go. Usually people will forgo passives. And without passives and with a Claymore his recharge on Warp in almost 6 seconds. If he packs an Omniblade - more sacrifices. Now, he can also use something light, like an Acolyte or Arc Pistol or Wraith - but FUCK that noise. I'm I a Krogan or not? MWRAAAAHAHAH! With HA it's simple. Go all out on Biotics and rek stuff.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 24, 2018 15:02:59 GMT
yeah HA is faster and more powerfull, and maybe even easier, (havent tried in a while) but long range still sucks with him imo (well not with arc pistol, but long range BE ...). And it s not as fun nor adaptable at all, always the same routine. Well HA is one of the beast out there no doubt, above many infiltrators I don't see sacrifice with the shaman, I see opportunities ! and frankly, 4 in barrier 4 in passive is a basis for everything without any real loss. Full melee is not such a big loss either.
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Jan 24, 2018 15:11:41 GMT
yeah HA is faster and more powerfull, and maybe even easier, (havent tried in a while) but long range still sucks with him imo (well not with arc pistol, but long range BE ...). And it s not as fun nor adaptable at all, always the same routine. Well HA is one of the beast out there no doubt, above many infiltrators I don't see sacrifice with the shaman, I see opportunities ! and frankly, 4 in barrier 4 in passive is a basis for everything without any real loss. Full melee is not such a big loss either. Long range BE's are very much viable with HA and easy to setup, Singularity - hold 2 enemies in place and even if some armored one passes trough it - he's primed, then Warp - BE. And if the enemy lingers around, he will get blasted by exploding Singularity at the end as-well. Enemies in cover are a cakewalk for HA. Any cannibal or trooper sitting in cover will be pulled out of it and exploded from range, rather than having to run next to the with a Shaman. Annoying enemies like Nemesis can be stopped from running around and wasting your time. Phantoms can be bated into a block stance with Singularity and when they leave it, they will be primed for a BE.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 24, 2018 15:38:36 GMT
yeah HA is faster and more powerfull, and maybe even easier, (havent tried in a while) but long range still sucks with him imo (well not with arc pistol, but long range BE ...). And it s not as fun nor adaptable at all, always the same routine. Well HA is one of the beast out there no doubt, above many infiltrators I don't see sacrifice with the shaman, I see opportunities ! and frankly, 4 in barrier 4 in passive is a basis for everything without any real loss. Full melee is not such a big loss either. Long range BE's are very much viable with HA and easy to setup, Singularity - hold 2 enemies in place and even if some armored one passes trough it - he's primed, then Warp - BE. And if the enemy lingers around, he will get blasted by exploding Singularity at the end as-well. Enemies in cover are a cakewalk for HA. Any cannibal or trooper sitting in cover will be pulled out of it and exploded from range, rather than having to run next to the with a Shaman. Annoying enemies like Nemesis can be stopped from running around and wasting your time. Phantoms can be bated in to block stance with Singularity and when they leave it, they will be primed for a BE. well long range warp sucks in my book either because of travel time or because I have trouble catching mooks with it, I don't remember. But if u say it s easy, I believe u and I sure use it when possible. But ha shines at close to mid range (like most characters), especially with shotties as it should be.
anyway, gameplay are really different with both adepts, as much as I love HA, I enjoy shaman more, and efficiency is not a criteria here obviously
Annoying nemesis is clearly more annoying with the shaman (example), but if u are still focused at wave end, u still got many option to pin her. And Ha still has his bad moments against her !
the example is from my first try with him on plat solo, and I took the melee build, didn't melee much as usual on plat solos, but the run was really painless (or I just believe it was), and ended up with 25 biotic kills, 10 tech ones, 25 shotguns ones, so I guess I enjoyed all my options
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Post by muahmuah on Jan 24, 2018 15:52:03 GMT
C'mon guys.HA faster and easier than Shaman?Just try that challenge,which Alfonse posted in the thread with HA and Shaman,then we will talk.On gold probably(but not 100%)HA will be faster,but on plat the things are very different.On an open areas Shaman can survive turet,because he is fast as every Krogan.With HA you won't be able to use even an ops pack.If bashee teleports through the wall,both characters are finished.Sure,sometimes you can dodge.As for the phantolrolls,you have an ops pack.If she staggers you,just use it.Well played Shaman will be faster than HA.I can prove it if you want with two my solos.Same enemy,weapon,faction.Shaman was faster with 1 or 2 mins.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 24, 2018 15:56:00 GMT
hum that resetlles things, lol. I didn't try to argue as HA is obviously a beast, but the shaman master (efficiency master, no doubt) tells it s not the case !
Even white cerb with graal or wraith or claymore ? I think HA wld be faster here, but u might prove me wrong.
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Post by muahmuah on Jan 24, 2018 16:03:31 GMT
hum that resetlles things, lol. I didn't try to argue as HA is obviously a beast, but the shaman master (efficiency master, no doubt) tells it s not the case !
Even white cerb with graal or wraith or claymore ? I think HA wld be faster here, but u might prove me wrong.
Both runs were on White vs cerb.I used wraith and despite the fact white is a perfect map for HA,Shaman was faster.
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Jan 24, 2018 16:06:40 GMT
C'mon guys.HA faster and easier than Shaman?Just try that challenge,which Alfonse posted in the thread with HA and Shaman,then we will talk.On gold probably(but not 100%)HA will be faster,but on plat the things are very different.On an open areas Shaman can survive turet,because he is fast as every Krogan.With HA you won't be able to use even an ops pack.If bashee teleports through the wall,both characters are finished.Sure,sometimes you can dodge.As for the phantolrolls,you have an ops pack.If she staggers you,just use it.Well played Shaman will be faster than HA.I can prove it if you want with two my solos.Same enemy,weapon,faction.Shaman was faster with 1 or 2 mins. He's using Incendiary rounds. Which glitches with Warp. If HA uses that too - it's no contest. I have been saved by a well timed dodge from Banshees a million times and I dodged rolled through packs of Brutes and other garbage in seemingly impossible fashion. Also, with HA you can hold a shit ton of Geth and kill em off before they close down. HA can do the same stuff as the Shaman (they both have Warp and Shockwave). Dodge Roll is better than Barrier for survivability. And Singularity just elevates HA from A class to S. Plus HA can cast it's powers faster. Nuisances like Abombs or Husks can be bypassed like they're nothing, just cast Singularity and run past them. No need to shoot, no need to aim, no need to do anything. You can plop a Singularity on a ground like a trap while running and any shit that follows you - dies. Also one important thing that people often look past and it's important - SWARMER PATROL. Cast a Singularity on them and they're all gone. Nothing will drain your shields and keep them from regenerating. It can be a godsend. Shaman may have to run from a pack of enemies just to eat a bunch of Swarmers right after he lost his shields and then either die or have to use an OPs pack. And if playing with a team - cleaning swarmer's REALLY helps the PUGS out.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 24, 2018 16:16:19 GMT
hum that resetlles things, lol. I didn't try to argue as HA is obviously a beast, but the shaman master (efficiency master, no doubt) tells it s not the case !
Even white cerb with graal or wraith or claymore ? I think HA wld be faster here, but u might prove me wrong.
Both runs were on White vs cerb.I used wraith and despite the fact white is a perfect map for HA,Shaman was faster. please relink at some point if u have time. Did you grind those times a fair tons of tries ?
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Post by muahmuah on Jan 24, 2018 16:18:07 GMT
Both runs were on White vs cerb.I used wraith and despite the fact white is a perfect map for HA,Shaman was faster. please relink at some point if u have time. Did you grind those times a fair tons of tries ?
Here and Here.I grined a bit with HA for a better time.
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