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Post by theblackbaron on Nov 9, 2023 20:13:32 GMT
I'm fine with a new protagonist. I'm even fine with a potential 600+ year time gap (though I still don't regard that as anything remotely near confirmed, considering I do not think the blurry figure in the poster so many think is an angaran is actually an angaran). I just hope to God the main thrust of this game isn't Gamble using Liara to drag us around and make us interact with the Andromeda galaxy and its denizens because he can't let it go that his game flopped. Good writers and companies that make fiction for a living tend to double down on their universe and expand upon it even the bad decisions they have made and the controversial ones, given how often things like this tends to happen to. Good writers engage in proper continuity and build off of and learn from their mistakes and continue on with it and pick up plot threads, bad writers do retcons and time skips and ways of ignoring things. And while we can sit here all day and argue on just how much Andromeda bombed or not its also quite irrelevant given the game did have its fans, I'm one of them, Andromeda was my second favorite Mass Effect game. So there is already a lot of chagrin at the idea that we won't be getting a continuition of Ryder and Cos story (whom I also preferred over Shepard as a protagonist) and them not picking up with and trying to make something of the Kett storyline, or potentially other dangling plot threads like the Benefactor. Of course we will have to see just how much of Andromeda is picked up in future games but likeliehood of no Ryder in my mind means likliehood that much of the rest won't get picked up on. From there though the least they can do is acknowledge the galaxy and at least pick up and expand on the story somehow and a lot of juicy narrative questions could be asked about the state of the Milky Way in the wake of the Reaper war a lot more can be asked about Heleus in the wake of the Kett crisis or whatever the nature of the distress call is the Milky Way is answering. Has the Andromeda Coalition advanced and has achieved some measure of peace and prosperity next to the MW which is still realing from the Reaper war? This could provide an interesting contrast to see how the two cultures have developped. Or if in the wake of Andromeda did another catastrophe hit the Iniative which has leveled the playing field and both organizations are having to rebuild? I mean second time I've referenced it but it would be horrible to just ignore Androemda like the writers of Halo has mostly done. Halo 5 was panned. Halo 5 didn't do well. Halo 5 left a bad taste in people's mouths. But Halo 5 left off on a cliffhanger with a world ending threat and the UNSC Infinity fleeing from it. So what does Halo 6 do? A significant time skip, the Infinity is apparently and randomly destroyed, and the AI doomsday plot was resolved off screen just for them to introduce another mega world ending threat. And while there were bits I liked from Halo Infinity's campaign that I have seen this represents a huge piece of bad writing and a pretty huge retcon/ throwing the baby out with the bath water and from what I have gathered looking into it people agree with me as Halo Infinite also wasn't well recieved.
Agreed that it's pointless to re-litigate how much of a success or not a success Andromeda was. But everything you said about doing time skips to avoid dealing with things is exactly what Andromeda did. They wanted to make another Mass Effect game but didn't want to or didn't know how to address the trilogy's endings and the question of Shepard, so they effectively ran hundreds of years and millions of light-years away to avoid having to deal with it. In my view, doubling down on Andromeda and trying to force it back into the main galaxy isn't trying to expand on their writing they had confidence in, it's just compounding that original mistake. Especially when, by its very nature as a distant sequel/reboot, it would have been easy to let sleeping dogs lie and keep it off in its own corner. Or, alternatively, to address some of its loose ends - such as the the identity of the Benefactor - and provide some closure while keeping the primary focus on the original setting.
I would agree that 343's stewardship of Halo has been incredibly janky with multiple reboots of their intended story and no real plan or vision (and I actually think Halo 4 was the perfect coda to Chief's story and they should have dropped it there, but regardless, that wasn't what happened). But I liked Infinite, and regard Halo 5 as such a misstep (which, for that matter, was much like Andromeda in that it barely had anything to do with what came before) that even though it is bad writing to have just resolved all of that offscreen and then dropped it, it's still a net gain.
This is just my opinion, of course, but what happened to the Initiative or what became of the Kett in the rest of the Andromeda Galaxy are questions I have no interest in, and due to their inherent lack of development and size have less potential than equivalent questions back in the Milky Way (again imo). In the end, if you enjoyed Andromeda, more power to you, and if NME deals with it as much as it seems like it could, then you'll probably be happy. It's just not something I'm interested in. And, imo, a hamfisted attempt to connect the two galaxies just speaks to a lack of confidence and vision. Gamble and Co. may have wanted to continue Andromeda's story, but they can't come outright and say it, so instead we're getting teasers mostly trading off the symbols and imagery of the OT while (maybe) sneaking bits of MEA in there, with the end result being an awkward hybrid of both that seems to only be using the former as a mere vehicle for the latter.
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Post by ClarkKent on Nov 9, 2023 20:24:24 GMT
Connecting the galaxies to me displays a lack of conviction from the writers. It shows me that the writers do want to continue expanding Andromeda, but they lack the confidence in it so they'll have it ride the coattails of it's older, more successful brother. I would be content if Bioware did genuinely stick to their guns and expand Andromeda - but this isn't it, and it's again just running from the problem. Andromeda was created to run away from the endings. This game seems to have been created to run away from Andromeda(and the endings) They always do this to some extent. Dragon Age didn't want to deal with Ferelden scale choices, so off to Kirkwall. Inquisition didn't want to immerse in the significance of previous choices, so (mostly) off to Orlais or more distant parts of Ferelden. I don't think that's comparable. Orlais and Kirkwall are essentially next door to ferelden, and all the games are within a few decades of eachother too. It certainly was convenient for Bioware to go slightly further afield as you say, but you can equally argue it was an organic growth of the setting. The DA equivalent would be setting the next Dragon Age after DAD on another continent after wrecking the primary setting and causing a lot of controversy in the process.
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Post by hulluliini on Nov 10, 2023 10:25:23 GMT
I'll actually withdraw my theory that it's Liara in N7 outfit, I was pointed out that boobs on this character are too flat to be Liara's. Interesting observation by friend of mine, but it is accurate. I wouldn't necessarily agree with this. We saw flat chest plates for armor for women in ME3 (N7 operative Lee Riley, for example) and in Mass Effect: Andromeda. So it's not outside the realm of possibility. Liara as an asari was also able to wear human helmets/armor in ME1. Whether or not that is just a gameplay mechanic that doesn't follow in the lore, is up to you. You underestimate the power of matriarchal bosoms.
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Post by hulluliini on Nov 10, 2023 10:32:06 GMT
Liara involved? I can tolerate, but yeah I really hope she's not our ME3 Hackett for example. "T'Soni, out."
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Post by Phantom on Nov 10, 2023 17:01:26 GMT
maybe that Liara is the Big bad....if so, many players would be upset....
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Post by lavigne on Nov 10, 2023 17:06:31 GMT
maybe that Liara is the Big bad....if so, many players would be upset.... Losing Shepard must have sent her insane.....
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Nov 10, 2023 17:10:02 GMT
I would not actually mind if Liara would have become "evil", but I do not see her going that route for some reason.
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Post by Phantom on Nov 10, 2023 18:12:12 GMT
This is my idea only. We have 2 personality for Liara. 1 personality would be a good genuinely good Liara that is more inline with the Liara that we know, her other personality would be effect by the Reapers.
And it is the player choice how to deal with the situation. I have other ideas that might needs a dedicated thread for that.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 10, 2023 19:33:10 GMT
They always do this to some extent. Dragon Age didn't want to deal with Ferelden scale choices, so off to Kirkwall. Inquisition didn't want to immerse in the significance of previous choices, so (mostly) off to Orlais or more distant parts of Ferelden. I don't think that's comparable. Orlais and Kirkwall are essentially next door to ferelden, and all the games are within a few decades of eachother too. It certainly was convenient for Bioware to go slightly further afield as you say, but you can equally argue it was an organic growth of the setting. The DA equivalent would be setting the next Dragon Age after DAD on another continent after wrecking the primary setting and causing a lot of controversy in the process. Despite the importance in-universe, functionally for us, Mass Relays make the experience *shorter* between systems than on-ground locations in Dragon Age, and going to the Andromeda galaxy is indeed like sailing to the other continent away from Thedas, but most of the crew's put in magical slumber or whatever, so who cares. Bioware's stories are convenient like that. Things can be as next-door as the writers want them to be. And sorry to say to anyone who'll be disappointed, but it'll be largely the same in a joint Milky Way-Andromeda story. The large worlds feel relatively small. They almost always do in games, but Bioware has more of a contained feeling then some others (like Bethesda titles or whatever). I'd agree that MEA is the biggest fleeing from story choice consequence than ever before. Other than maybe the KOTOR-to-SWTOR canonization of Revan's quest. The least fleeing around be ME3, but that one was really hard as hell to manage, apparently, and still seemed to cut several major things out, not even counting the bothersome original ending. The DA/ME comparison you gave was good, but not the best, because I'd certainly understand going to another continent after say, a giant Darkspawn War that utterly devastates the main continent. Its actually an understandable thing. Even when ark stuff came up for Mass Effect, I 'got it'. My personal issue was more with how MUCH MEA wanted to distance from the Milky Way. It seemed almost downright shameful about it. It was WEIRD. If the main gist of MEA was instead only the first 1/3 of the game or whatever (isolation, first contact, mysteries, new lore), and we ended up being back in contact and getting all together in a joint venture by the end (even if just with comms for this one game, no bridge), a lot of the weird feeling would have lessened. I really wouldn't be bothered by an Eastern Continent from Thedas story, but I'd be bothered as hell if the story just went, in more minor quests and overall vibe, "That's a ruined place, it kinda sucked and was boring anyway, lets go to new adventure! And barely bother sending missives back to the homeland!" Da fuk? I can tolerate Val Royeaux, Minrathous, Par Vollen being flattened by dragons and Darkspawn and armies of demons (hypothetically) - I draw the line at disregarding Thedas as an irrelevant thing! /community-meme But we know why. Montreal didn't know wtf to do with Milky Way and didn't care to get into it. Okay, but like, can the dialogue calm down about it being a place we may never even hear from ever again? Jesus.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 10, 2023 21:20:41 GMT
maybe that Liara is the Big bad....if so, many players would be upset.... The Big Bad? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha......No. I don't see that for the next game, but I can see it happen in a dlc for ME3. The dlc starts with the asari command Asari Command: Liara T'soni, you have been brought forward charged with terrorist crimes against the asari people. What say you? T'soni: I PLEAD NOT GUILTY!! I DID NOT COMM-- Asari Command: A not guilty or guilty is all we need for an answer. You have 2 months to present your case. If you don't have a lawyer, one will be provided for you. NEXT! T'soni calls Garrus to take her case. Garrus accepts believing the charges are boogus. He searches Liara's apartment. He discovers a secret room. What he see's widen his eyes. He finds a poster of TIM and Jacob Taylor with the words HUMANITY #1.That doesn't make sense. He finds a Cerberus outfit. In a container finds some materials that were found at the sight of the attacks. This doesn't add up. He ask's the building owner if he can view the surveillance camera's. They show a figure wearing Cerberus armor leaving and returning. The times match with the times the attacks took place. He leaves with facing the possibility that Liara is guilty. Garrus heads to Earth to investigate the Normandy. He knows Shepard is on special mission with the Alliance leaving behind the Normandy. On the ship, he sweeps the room Liara occupied during the war with the reapers hoping there's something that prove her innocence. He feels around every nook and cranny in the room. He finds a device that might have information. He's also curious as to why is wasn't removed from the ship. He plugs it in the console. Liara: Councilor. I found plans for something might be able to stop the reapers. The plans also mention about information on Thessia that will help as well. Councilor: Listen to me very carefully Liara T'soni. You are not, let me repeat that, you are not to pass that information to anyone no matter what. You can tell whoever that you found plans, but DO NOT tell them about Thessia. Liara: But Councilor, woul-- Councilor: Let me tell you something Liara. This is a matter of our species history and how we've stay on top. If the information you have is found out by others, we would lose our supremacy. Think of your species Liara. Liara: Councilor I just wanted to update the situation. The krogan want the genophage cured. I believe Shepard is going to make that happen. Councilor: That cannot happen Liara. Do what ever you can to prevent that. You know the history of what happened. I'm trusting you again to make the right choice. Garrus at this point is getting hot under the collar. It also explains why the asari never showed up at the summit. Back on Thessia, he shows the vids he took from the Normandy. Liara was tongue tied, but insisted she had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks. Garrus didn't believe her. When facing asari Commander, he handed over the evidence he found. Asari Commander: You have been found guilty Liara T'soni. We will deal with the councilor in time. Your punishment is death. Your name will be removed from asari history. Do you have any last words? Liara: I---I--Garrus! Why isn't Shepard here? Wait a minute. Shepard set me up. You don't believe me. (Garrus leaves shaking his head) A couple of days later, your Cerberus Phantom and my Cerberus Gymnast, at an undisclosed location, pump fist after what they accomplished. Voice: I thank you both for what you did. Voice #2: They did their job very well.....Shepard. Shepard: Again. Thank you. See you for lunch next week Miranda? Miranda: Yes you will. You and others know my stance on the character. If a game is to take place without any characters from the trilogy, I want that list to include Liara as well. If she is to return, I wouldn't complain too much if Shepard and the rest of the characters returned as well maybe that Liara is the Big bad....if so, many players would be upset.... Losing Shepard must have sent her insane..... Already saw that in ME2. She takes armor from the corpse of Shepard to put it on display like it's some kind of prize/trophy. She fails to inform anyone Shepard's corpse is in the hands of Cerberus.
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Post by quarianmasterrace on Nov 11, 2023 1:32:20 GMT
They always do this to some extent. Dragon Age didn't want to deal with Ferelden scale choices, so off to Kirkwall. Inquisition didn't want to immerse in the significance of previous choices, so (mostly) off to Orlais or more distant parts of Ferelden. I don't think that's comparable. Orlais and Kirkwall are essentially next door to ferelden, and all the games are within a few decades of eachother too. It certainly was convenient for Bioware to go slightly further afield as you say, but you can equally argue it was an organic growth of the setting. The DA equivalent would be setting the next Dragon Age after DAD on another continent after wrecking the primary setting and causing a lot of controversy in the process. No, in DA the age of sail technology to get to other continents already exists. Hell the qunari have 19th century steamers. They could do it relatively easily. They don’t because there is not much incentive to, but they could. To get to the level of asspull that traveling to Andromeda is in the context of the MET setting, you’d have to do something like having Ferelden suddenly develop space travel. Then going further and getting to the point of going back and forth is like them colonizing the Thedosian solar system. Now compress this technological advancement all into the same timeframe as between Origins and Inquisition of about 10 years, and try to handwave that nobody knew about or mentioned this offscreen development anywhere in those stories, and you have the Andromeda-speculative MENext merged galaxies idea.
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 11, 2023 11:10:00 GMT
I'd like to state that no, we will not wait until 2029 for Mass Effect.
Jeff Grubb is making guesswork based on bad qualifiers.
His source told him NME is at same stage as Dreadwolf was in 2018, which led to him making dumb assumptions. Dreadwolf development would suspend at later part of 2018 to rescue Anthem, then there would be a reboot of development year later. Essentially all work but for writing and assets has went to waste in 2015-2018 period. Additionally there was a soft reboot at some point in late 2020/early 2021 as well, to go from heavy online to SP only game. On top of it, Dreadwolf is still being developed on Frostbite and as far as I can tell DICE did not improve to provide proper support to other studios not named EA Sports.
There are no signs Mass Effect is having same troubled development, the opposite we are seeing BioWare and EA hiring developers to work on Mass Effect at job listings. Both directly for BioWare and EA support studios. Also everything points to BioWare has settled on Unreal Engine, very likely 5. Big reason why we got MET games so fast was thanks to UE3 structure making it possible to develop fast. UE5 has even greater options to automatize tedious tasks for more advanced technology of today. Which is bizzare that Jeff doesn't realize this, since he's the one that reported on BioWare moving to Unreal Engine before we started seeing job listings asking for UE4 experience.
Meanwhile Tom Henderson, owner of Insider Gaming, has stated before Jeff's guesswork that game is 3-4 years away. Putting in 2026/2027 release date.
Also I was reminded of this fact earlier. BioWare GM Gary McKay has stated years ago, after Anthem release, that future BW projects will spend a lot longer in pre-production than before, to avoid same problems they had with Inquisition, Andromeda and Anthem. I somehow doubt NME is in development hell in pre-production right now, it does appear they are settled on key story and thematic points at the very least.
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Post by lavigne on Nov 11, 2023 13:25:19 GMT
Tom Henderson, owner of Insider Gaming, has stated before Jeff's guesswork that game is 3-4 years away. Putting in 2026/2027 release date. That's the timeframe I think we'll end up with too, and it sounds reasonable to me. I think it's more likely to be late 2027, but I'd be very surprised if it really drags out to 2029. MELE built up a lot of goodwill, and created a whole bunch of new fans, I doubt that they'd not want to capitalize on that much sooner rather than later.
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 11, 2023 13:41:43 GMT
Tom Henderson, owner of Insider Gaming, has stated before Jeff's guesswork that game is 3-4 years away. Putting in 2026/2027 release date. That's the timeframe I think we'll end up with too, and it sounds reasonable to me. I think it's more likely to be late 2027, but I'd be very surprised if it really drags out to 2029. MELE built up a lot of goodwill, and created a whole bunch of new fans, I doubt that they'd not want to capitalize on that much sooner rather than later. I'm still clamouring for late 2025 release, but I'll only change that position after TGA. If no Mass Effect trailer, yes Mass Effect trailer but no "coming 2025" or shows different year, then it won't be then.
Nightmare case if there's not even Dreadwolf stuff at TGA, but there's no way that's happening, surely?
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Post by lavigne on Nov 11, 2023 13:48:13 GMT
That's the timeframe I think we'll end up with too, and it sounds reasonable to me. I think it's more likely to be late 2027, but I'd be very surprised if it really drags out to 2029. MELE built up a lot of goodwill, and created a whole bunch of new fans, I doubt that they'd not want to capitalize on that much sooner rather than later. I'm still clamouring for late 2025 release, but I'll only change that position after TGA. If no Mass Effect trailer, yes Mass Effect trailer but no "coming 2025" or shows different year, then it won't be then.
Nightmare case if there's not even Dreadwolf stuff at TGA, but there's no way that's happening, surely?
If there's no DAD at TGA then I'd really start to worry. All of this will depend on how much pre-prod they've managed to do up until this point and how much of an impact on dev that might actually have. I think 2025 is too soon myself, but if they've been deliberately underplaying how much they've actually been doing already then it could be possible. I figure three years from when they move back over from DAD and start actual development. I just hope DAD doesn't completely bomb in the meantime.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Nov 11, 2023 15:43:07 GMT
The most possible thing is that it will be a reboot, keeping story elements from the trilogy and andromeda but also add new one's to the story. There will be cameos from both ot and andromeda but nothing more than that except liara having a bigger role in the story. New characters, new protagonist and so on. And they've said that twice on last years blog:
"They’ve been hard at work crafting new characters and locations that you’ll love, as well as revisiting many that you’ll remember".
And this year:
"The team is taking their time to craft a whole new adventure for you to enjoy, with new stories, characters, and experiences to fill it".
And gamble warning us that it won't be what we might think it is. The people that want shepard back there might be a small chance but still I don't see it, as it will be set when andromeda's events happen. Now the new game's events will be a more in between andromeda and 600 years after the trilogy. Same for Ryder. And since it will have a 10 year gap, i can definitely see a reboot.
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Post by lavigne on Nov 11, 2023 16:28:50 GMT
The most possible thing is that it will be a reboot, keeping story elements from the trilogy and andromeda but also add new one's to the story. There will be cameos from both ot and andromeda but nothing more than that except liara having a bigger role in the story. New characters, new protagonist and so on. And they've said that twice on last years blog: "They’ve been hard at work crafting new characters and locations that you’ll love, as well as revisiting many that you’ll remember". And this year: "The team is taking their time to craft a whole new adventure for you to enjoy, with new stories, characters, and experiences to fill it". And gamble warning us that it won't be what we might think it is. The people that want shepard back there might be a small chance but still I don't see it, as it will be set when andromeda's events happen. Now the new game's events will be a more in between andromeda and 600 years after the trilogy. Same for Ryder. And since it will have a 10 year gap, i can definitely see a reboot. I still think they're looking at crashing the timelines together somehow. You've had some teases alluding to the post-ME3 timeframe, and you've had others seeming to confirm the Andromeda timeframe. As I've said before I think they'll try to have their cake and eat by crashing the timeframes together. It's the only way they have a chance of keeping most people happy, providing they can come up with a semi-reasonable way of doing it. New adventures and stories is obvious and will apply no matter what they do. New characters and locations is equally obvious - we will undoubtedly visit new locales and come across new characters no matter what they do. I don't think we can really rule out very much at all yet, they've been very careful with the teasers and what they've said. We can rule out the refuse ending, and Liara dying, and that's probably it. A reboot would probably unite the OT/Shepard crowd and the Andromeda/Ryder fans in all universally hating it.
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Post by ssvtbilisi on Nov 11, 2023 17:07:07 GMT
Andromeda was put together in just 18 months, if rumors are true next ME being more linear, smaller and less open world, 36 months should be enough for full development. I think 2027 is realistic assuming DA release date in 2024.
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Post by trinity0 on Nov 11, 2023 18:59:12 GMT
The Last Sucessfull game from Bioware was Dragon Age Inquisition. That was 2014.
Anthem and Andromeda were a disaster and they rebooted Dragon Age Dreadwolf one or to times. I think if Dreadwolf is no success, EA will shutdown Bioware and there will be no new Masseffect
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Post by Guardian on Nov 11, 2023 20:29:42 GMT
The Last Sucessfull game from Bioware was Dragon Age Inquisition. That was 2014. Anthem and Andromeda were a disaster and they rebooted Dragon Age Dreadwolf one or to times. I think if Dreadwolf is no success, EA will shutdown Bioware and there will be no new Masseffect While I don't doubt this in the end, I think it'll apply to Mass Effect more, only because I think EA realized that after what sounded like something decent with Joplin, live service games aren't successful as they wanted to believe, so I think some slack will be given for this, since it's been restarted three times at this point essentially. I know it hasn't, but taking out live service bits after having been forced to put them in will give some leeway.
Also, Dragon Age has been it's own thing, which was meant to be vastly different in tone from Mass Effect. However, I do agree that if the new Mass Effect does not perform like (and I know many will gripe about this) MELE did, BioWare is done. Anthem and Andromeda were not massive successes (Anthem especially). A new protag could pull it off, and with images they've shown so far, looks like they're going back to Paragon/Renegade. Which makes me think with all the Shepard nods, they're going to draw more parallels to how Shepard was as a character. Not a 1:1 copy, but probably someone more akin to military ties and an authoritative feel.
Of course, this is all just pre-production so everything is subject to change. And I agree that 2027 is a better estimate of when we'll see this game fully fleshed out.
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Post by river82 on Nov 12, 2023 0:57:49 GMT
The Last Sucessfull game from Bioware was Dragon Age Inquisition. That was 2014. Anthem and Andromeda were a disaster and they rebooted Dragon Age Dreadwolf one or to times. I think if Dreadwolf is no success, EA will shutdown Bioware and there will be no new Masseffect While I don't doubt this in the end, I think it'll apply to Mass Effect more, only because I think EA realized that after what sounded like something decent with Joplin, live service games aren't successful as they wanted to believe, so I think some slack will be given for this, since it's been restarted three times at this point essentially. I know it hasn't, but taking out live service bits after having been forced to put them in will give some leeway.
Also, Dragon Age has been it's own thing, which was meant to be vastly different in tone from Mass Effect. However, I do agree that if the new Mass Effect does not perform like (and I know many will gripe about this) MELE did, BioWare is done. Anthem and Andromeda were not massive successes (Anthem especially). A new protag could pull it off, and with images they've shown so far, looks like they're going back to Paragon/Renegade. Which makes me think with all the Shepard nods, they're going to draw more parallels to how Shepard was as a character. Not a 1:1 copy, but probably someone more akin to military ties and an authoritative feel.
Of course, this is all just pre-production so everything is subject to change. And I agree that 2027 is a better estimate of when we'll see this game fully fleshed out.
Oh, live service games are VERY successful. But you have to know how to build a good one, like any game really. Making a single player offline game is very different from making a service *looks at Anthem*
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 12, 2023 16:01:31 GMT
The most possible thing is that it will be a reboot, keeping story elements from the trilogy and andromeda but also add new one's to the story. There will be cameos from both ot and andromeda but nothing more than that except liara having a bigger role in the story. New characters, new protagonist and so on. And they've said that twice on last years blog: "They’ve been hard at work crafting new characters and locations that you’ll love, as well as revisiting many that you’ll remember". And this year: "The team is taking their time to craft a whole new adventure for you to enjoy, with new stories, characters, and experiences to fill it". And gamble warning us that it won't be what we might think it is. The people that want shepard back there might be a small chance but still I don't see it, as it will be set when andromeda's events happen. Now the new game's events will be a more in between andromeda and 600 years after the trilogy. Same for Ryder. And since it will have a 10 year gap, i can definitely see a reboot. Uh, reboot might be strong for what I think, but I'm certainly prepared for a while that simultaniously: -recalls past games more than ever before (save for ME3 trilogy consequences) -does something largely different for the core plot, characterization, etc I am largely expecting that we won't be getting ME3-2, ME4 (ME3 sequel), MEA2. But they keep sending signals that its not that these games didn't happen, don't matter, or won't be included in all their considerations. If you want to call that a soft reboot go ahead. Whatever it is, it has me going 'Reapers may be a thing but this is no Reaper oriented conflict' and 'The Kett may be included directly or just in concept, but they're not The Threat' - for example.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 12, 2023 16:15:52 GMT
The Last Sucessfull game from Bioware was Dragon Age Inquisition. That was 2014. Anthem and Andromeda were a disaster and they rebooted Dragon Age Dreadwolf one or to times. I think if Dreadwolf is no success, EA will shutdown Bioware and there will be no new Masseffect While I don't doubt this in the end, I think it'll apply to Mass Effect more, only because I think EA realized that after what sounded like something decent with Joplin, live service games aren't successful as they wanted to believe, so I think some slack will be given for this, since it's been restarted three times at this point essentially. I know it hasn't, but taking out live service bits after having been forced to put them in will give some leeway.
Also, Dragon Age has been it's own thing, which was meant to be vastly different in tone from Mass Effect. However, I do agree that if the new Mass Effect does not perform like (and I know many will gripe about this) MELE did, BioWare is done. Anthem and Andromeda were not massive successes (Anthem especially). A new protag could pull it off, and with images they've shown so far, looks like they're going back to Paragon/Renegade. Which makes me think with all the Shepard nods, they're going to draw more parallels to how Shepard was as a character. Not a 1:1 copy, but probably someone more akin to military ties and an authoritative feel.
Of course, this is all just pre-production so everything is subject to change. And I agree that 2027 is a better estimate of when we'll see this game fully fleshed out.
The feeling I get with material so far is that it'll recall a lot of MET design (more than MEA) while also doing twists on it that are either MEA-recalling or totally new. Not a direct followup to ME3 as that's impossible and would be silly at this point to try, but definitely 'in touch' with the MET. Its why I would be a little shocked if they announced that almost all or all of the game will take place in Andromeda. I'm personally expecting at least 1/3, if not all of the game to be in the Milky Way. It may be a MW with significantly different context than the 2012 game, but the MW nonetheless. Similarly for everything else. I can't say what'll happen for specific MET characters and their uh, mortality and relevance, but in general, I consider there may be more appearances and inclusions of them than the 'only Liara and Krogan are alive and matter' people believe. We could meet the descendent of a character, we could have 1+ characters in a form of stasis or virtual upload, we could have the legacy of a character inform a major part of Alliance, galactic, or some alien society. They may not generally get the emphasis that a direct, sequential sequel (of ME/DA games generally) might bring, but I'm not ready to believe they'll just do a few short callouts + Liara appearing. And like that, I don't want to say we'll have a 'Paragon and Renegade' system, but I'm definitely going to keep considering that color coded morality choices may return in some form. It may be a highly altered form, but I'd be surprised if we're left mostly to 'tonal' choices like MEA. They'll want all the audiences for this one, it seems. (Millennial) MET fans, (Gen Z) MEA uh, at least enjoyers, and the (Zalpha, Z-Alpha?) teens who will have barely heard of Mass Effect at that point (late 2020s). There's no concrete audience, its been too long since MET, and MEA didn't catch fire, so they're going to do all the angles, just maybe especially any nostalgic throwbacks that don't totally necessitate playing MET but maybe you could consider buying this MELE on discountttt - or the game could even include MELE or even a full series collection in it at that point. Its not unheard of.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 12, 2023 16:23:14 GMT
That's an extreme extrapolation, but I'm here for that. I just sooo highly doubt we're playing Ryder. And its actually very possible the N7 figure is indeed the playable protagonist. Hell, we could even start N7, get betrayed by the Alliance, then go on the broader journey against a threat that's being publicly downplayed. Just one concept. That'd be one premise that has elements of at least ME1, ME2, and MEA.
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