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Post by Guardian on Nov 12, 2023 19:57:40 GMT
The feeling I get with material so far is that it'll recall a lot of MET design (more than MEA) while also doing twists on it that are either MEA-recalling or totally new. Not a direct followup to ME3 as that's impossible and would be silly at this point to try, but definitely 'in touch' with the MET. Its why I would be a little shocked if they announced that almost all or all of the game will take place in Andromeda. I'm personally expecting at least 1/3, if not all of the game to be in the Milky Way. It may be a MW with significantly different context than the 2012 game, but the MW nonetheless. Similarly for everything else. I can't say what'll happen for specific MET characters and their uh, mortality and relevance, but in general, I consider there may be more appearances and inclusions of them than the 'only Liara and Krogan are alive and matter' people believe. We could meet the descendent of a character, we could have 1+ characters in a form of stasis or virtual upload, we could have the legacy of a character inform a major part of Alliance, galactic, or some alien society. They may not generally get the emphasis that a direct, sequential sequel (of ME/DA games generally) might bring, but I'm not ready to believe they'll just do a few short callouts + Liara appearing. And like that, I don't want to say we'll have a 'Paragon and Renegade' system, but I'm definitely going to keep considering that color coded morality choices may return in some form. It may be a highly altered form, but I'd be surprised if we're left mostly to 'tonal' choices like MEA. They'll want all the audiences for this one, it seems. (Millennial) MET fans, (Gen Z) MEA uh, at least enjoyers, and the (Zalpha, Z-Alpha?) teens who will have barely heard of Mass Effect at that point (late 2020s). There's no concrete audience, its been too long since MET, and MEA didn't catch fire, so they're going to do all the angles, just maybe especially any nostalgic throwbacks that don't totally necessitate playing MET but maybe you could consider buying this MELE on discountttt - or the game could even include MELE or even a full series collection in it at that point. Its not unheard of. Yeah, I agree with this theory. It can't ever do a direct follow-up to ME 3 - they burned that bridge and then destroyed any way to make new plans to reconstruct the bridge. I'd be shocked if Andromeda isn't mentioned at all, and I felt Andromeda was okay, but I'm really not into any direct sequel to Andromeda. And obviously they couldn't bring most the cast back, given the time jump. That's just silly to even try, aside from Liara who was only about 100 at the time of the OT and perhaps Grunt (I love Wrex, but I'd be highly shocked if he's still around somehow). As for the actual Paragon/Renegade system, probably not. But I do agree they're coming back to a "morality based" decision/interrupt system. I felt it was something that was really lacking in Andromeda. And yes, they want to try to mend the division between the OT diehards and the Andromeda diehards. I don't think it'll go the way they think it will. But, I do think they're going to be more likely to pull the OT crowd that came in from MELE more than the Andromeda crowd. I'm not sure how they're going to bridge the two galaxies without alienating both groups, but I agree that it's not Ryder returning, or Shepard. As much as I love Shepard, their story is complete; and like you said - Andromeda didn't really catch fire. It was an okay game, but did not grab the audience as well as they were hoping.
I just sooo highly doubt we're playing Ryder. And its actually very possible the N7 figure is indeed the playable protagonist. Hell, we could even start N7, get betrayed by the Alliance, then go on the broader journey against a threat that's being publicly downplayed. Just one concept. That'd be one premise that has elements of at least ME1, ME2, and MEA. This idea has me somewhat intrigued. If this is indeed the direction they go, I'd give it a shot. I think it'd be a cool story to start off with.
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 12, 2023 20:47:00 GMT
That's an extreme extrapolation, but I'm here for that. I just sooo highly doubt we're playing Ryder. And its actually very possible the N7 figure is indeed the playable protagonist. Hell, we could even start N7, get betrayed by the Alliance, then go on the broader journey against a threat that's being publicly downplayed. Just one concept. That'd be one premise that has elements of at least ME1, ME2, and MEA. I don't like doing vague theories, I'd like look for logical lines to connect things for interesting stories when I theory craft myself.
As for Ryder, I'm 50-50 on shall we play as Ryder again or new protagonist.
With new protagonist being N7 Agent, I wouldn't go as far as they get betrayed by System Alliance, but are shaken in their loyalty. Instead they'd work from inside for Liara to take weaken the regime and create changes from within. Even with that they can be a final showdown against N7, perhaps even a mentor, who view your actions nothing but treason and won't listen to any reason.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Nov 16, 2023 1:42:13 GMT
I mean I hope we don't get a return to the morality system, not a fan of any system that's like "you can't threaten this hostage taker because you weren't dick to a bunch of civilians earlier for no reason" but if they pivoted it to a reputation system "you can threaten the hostage taker regardless of your reputation, but if you've a reputation for being a goody goody he might not believe you" then that would be okay. As long as a third reputation state is added ("balanced" or something) so you aren't punished for not going to extremes when you roleplay your character with either less content, or rubberbanding between paragon and renegade content like how Hawke's autodialogue and choice line reads could change rapidly from convo to convo, because this time you had 1 more point in aggresive and that time you had 1 more point in sarcastic.
Preferably the reputation points would only come from choices so the the rest of the diaalogue could be more varied.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 17, 2023 10:43:02 GMT
I mean I hope we don't get a return to the morality system, not a fan of any system that's like "you can't threaten this hostage taker because you weren't dick to a bunch of civilians earlier for no reason" but if they pivoted it to a reputation system "you can threaten the hostage taker regardless of your reputation, but if you've a reputation for being a goody goody he might not believe you" then that would be okay. As long as a third reputation state is added ("balanced" or something) so you aren't punished for not going to extremes when you roleplay your character with either less content, or rubberbanding between paragon and renegade content like how Hawke's autodialogue and choice line reads could change rapidly from convo to convo, because this time you had 1 more point in aggresive and that time you had 1 more point in sarcastic. Preferably the reputation points would only come from choices so the the rest of the diaalogue could be more varied. I would rather them keep the Morality system where your choices matter but add depth to the reputation system that Mass Effect DOES already have. Maybe even expanding it into a full second tier. The reputation I refer to is the: Pre-Service History: AKA: Spacer, Colonist, or Earthborn and the Psychological Profile: AKA: Sole Survivor, War Hero, or Ruthless. Which in the MET added paragon or renegade points at the start to your character. So in your scenario if your playing paragon and didn't threaten civilians but also want to threaten the Hostage taker then lets say you took Colonist and Sole Survivor. Then you get other dialog choices and depending on how high your morality score will make the statement that more convincing. For the above example if you have high renegade or high paragon they will come away believing you or being dead. For example in your scenario above: 1st choice: Paragon------- *Ok. I will walk away. 2nd choice: Investigate--- *Leads to the other choices* 3rd choice: Renegade------ *LOCKED You were nice to the civilians*
4th choice: Colonist: "I saw my family murdered by people like you... Do you dare to test me? Paragon: HT: "OK. OK. *HT: Tries to run away but ends up tripping over own feet -dropping weapon. *Shepard picks up weapon. Must be a new weapon for me. *Watches as hostages start to beat them up and walks away. Renegade: HT: "I don't believe you" Shepard: *BANG!* "Don't like Hostage Takers aka Slavers." Still... No more hostage taker.
5th choice: Ruthless: "Your about to die. Just like those soldiers at yada yada." Paragon: HT: You killed those soldiers? Shepard: Yes. They were taking hostages... need more be said. HT: Hostages? Shepard Yes. I. End. Hostage takers. Clear? HT: Crystal. *HT Walks Away* Renegade: "Your about to die. Just like those soldiers at yada yada." "I don't believe yo... "Your right. It wasn't me. It was Jim right Jim? *Motions behind the villain. "Jim wh.....?" *Turns to look* "Everyone!..... Duck! *BANG! BANG! Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang* "Ha Ha Ha.... Dead yet? ....Bang." Granted if Renegade the HT always dies but that is the point of Renegade is it not? To be the mean human -politeness is for Batman.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 18, 2023 11:15:09 GMT
Speculation, speculations.. will Bio design architects introduce a new alien species in ME5 or will it be same old, same old?
What about a very advanced civilization that hid themselves from the "outside" because they are xenophobic? The reaper destruction jolted them severely and now some want to open up to the survivors. These could help humans with their reconstruction efforts. Perhaps, even offering some of their low end tech = human equivalent or somewhat better.
Has anyone come up with the idea that Shep ate some magic mushrooms and all was a prophetic dream and gave humans more time to mount a defense such as the Mars dig gave them some new tech. Bet the ending is more to our liking.
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Post by lavigne on Nov 18, 2023 12:19:42 GMT
What about a very advanced civilization that hid themselves from the "outside" because they are xenophobic? The reaper destruction jolted them severely and now some want to open up to the survivors. These could help humans with their reconstruction efforts. Perhaps, even offering some of their low end tech = human equivalent or somewhat better. There's probably a very good chance that the Raloi will re-emerge and re-engage with the galactic community again. I'll be interested to see whether we get to see the Batarians again, seeing as they got absolutely hammered by the Reapers and the assumption was that they were all wiped out.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 23, 2023 9:49:38 GMT
What about a very advanced civilization that hid themselves from the "outside" because they are xenophobic? The reaper destruction jolted them severely and now some want to open up to the survivors. These could help humans with their reconstruction efforts. Perhaps, even offering some of their low end tech = human equivalent or somewhat better. There's probably a very good chance that the Raloi will re-emerge and re-engage with the galactic community again. I'll be interested to see whether we get to see the Batarians again, seeing as they got absolutely hammered by the Reapers and the assumption was that they were all wiped out. There’s still plenty of Batarians around. There’s more than enough in the Terminus System even if all the ones in Batarian space were wiped out, which we know is the case since there were a lot of refugees and enough to man a whole fleet. And there are some who went to Andromeda.
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Post by hulluliini on Nov 23, 2023 10:23:48 GMT
I really liked the Batarian character in the first Andromeda novel. It's an interesting species, designed to look repulsive and we also see mainly bad guys. But what do female Batarians look like? What are the non-mercs and non-soldiers like?
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Post by Sandetiger on Nov 23, 2023 15:50:30 GMT
I really liked the Batarian character in the first Andromeda novel. It's an interesting species, designed to look repulsive and we also see mainly bad guys. But what do female Batarians look like? What are the non-mercs and non-soldiers like? Borbala Ferank my beloved. She and Anax Therion were such good characters.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 23, 2023 23:13:16 GMT
There wasn't assumption the Batarians were wiped out.
There was a presumption that the Hegemony was ended, and that the Batarians were early on the extinction list for the Reaping, yeah. Which got stopped.
So we have possibly millions (on some scale) of Batarians around, somewhere. Whether they were the few around the Attican Traverse, the many in the Terminus Systems, or they were refugees from the invasion.
We don't know what society they'll have, but its easy to guess that they'll further scatter through galactic society (but less in the shadows), there will be a political reformation, and there may or may not be a heavy movement to bring back the past form of governance. That's the easy guess - writers can go in whatever surprising direction.
We will not be having 'they're all terrorists' again, at least in any isolation for a game. It wasn't true in ME1, it will be the opposite of true now. Bioware might still lean on them as more accessible mooks to shoot, but it'd be alongside growing allyship (for the protag and wider society) with singular or collective Batarians. On one level or another, Batarians were part of the fight against the Reapers and the worst that should come out of that is a West vs Soviets situation where their government and worlds recover but get their hands on something that leads to an arms/galactive powers race. Even than, at least they're no longer just the backwater dictatorship, but a rival.
I REALLY WANT A BATARIAN SQUADMATE AND I DON'T WANT THE SQUADMATE SYSTEM DUMBED DOWN BUT ACTUALLY EXPANDED A LITTLE. LET ME DIRECT A BATARIAN AND I WANT TO HEAR THEM GRUMBLE.
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Post by hulluliini on Nov 24, 2023 9:09:14 GMT
This time they will all be mad prophets instead.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 25, 2023 0:50:35 GMT
Latest teaser shows a number of species in the background. I came across this
New species? A Qunari?
Now is the time to speculate..... a Giraffe like?... long neck? definitely humanoid.
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Post by hulluliini on Nov 27, 2023 9:03:04 GMT
Latest teaser shows a number of species in the background. I came across this
New species? A Qunari?
Now is the time to speculate..... a Giraffe like?... long neck? definitely humanoid.
That is a cool find. Definitely looks like it could be a new species. Maybe what Gamble was "afraid" people would notice?
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 30, 2023 7:22:52 GMT
Latest teaser shows a number of species in the background. I came across this
New species? A Qunari?
Now is the time to speculate..... a Giraffe like?... long neck? definitely humanoid.
That is a cool find. Definitely looks like it could be a new species. Maybe what Gamble was "afraid" people would notice? I think that's a Salarian.
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Post by hulluliini on Nov 30, 2023 9:06:26 GMT
That is a cool find. Definitely looks like it could be a new species. Maybe what Gamble was "afraid" people would notice? I think that's a Salarian. The posture doesn't look quite right for a salarian. But could be, considering how concept art is frequently a bit different from in-game models.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 4, 2023 12:36:57 GMT
Look what i found that's been right under our noses for 2 years 👀
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 4, 2023 17:06:58 GMT
Look what i found that's been right under our noses for 2 years 👀 It's Dragon Age Day and yet we still got more stuff out of Mass Effect than Dreadwolf.
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 4, 2023 17:42:24 GMT
Well I spoke too early and this Dreadwolf teaser definitely shot my optimism NME is set for late 2025 release.
Unless they'll release Dreadwolf shortly after full reveal in summer 2024, even late 2026 release date feels optimistic now.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 4, 2023 18:04:22 GMT
2027 seems a more reasonable estimate to me.
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Post by SwobyJ on Dec 4, 2023 21:52:54 GMT
I'm crossing fingers for 2026, braced for 2027, hoping it won't be 2028, and dismaying if it has to be 2029. 2030+ would just be stunningly bad for just... a studio producing things for people to buy lol
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 4, 2023 23:51:20 GMT
I’m imaging a 2027 release date since I see DAD coming out late 2024.
Kind of fitting actually, both being a decade since the last game in the franchise.
Hopefully after that nowhere near as long gaps, though long enough for the health of the devs.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 6, 2023 16:38:04 GMT
I’m imaging a 2027 release date since I see DAD coming out late 2024. Kind of fitting actually, both being a decade since the last game in the franchise. Hopefully after that nowhere near as long gaps, though long enough for the health of the devs. Yeah I agree I don't think it6'll be a slon gbetween games as i thas been betwen Inqusition an Dreadwolf either no tnow they'er back in DA and ME mode I'm no truling out the possibility of another IP joining the mix tha twill b esingle player. But I think a lot is riding on Dreadwolf though if that fails we could lose Bioware altogether so hopefully it won't. I thin ki twould be a lossto the gaming industr yand especially RPG's if w edo lose them bu tthe yneed this t ogo right. No tneccessarily GOTY levels bu tcertainly to sell well. I tneeds tolook like sa yI would gues sa tleas tmaybe something like Hogwarts figures at least I would guess.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 7, 2023 7:09:57 GMT
GOTY is meaningless anyway and it's run by games journalists and you know how questionable their knowledge is.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 7, 2023 12:18:13 GMT
GOTY is meaningless anyway and it's run by games journalists and you know how questionable their knowledge is. Agreede my point was thou htha ti rneeds t o sell well becaus eBioware are in danger of sinking atm. Especially afterwha thappened wit hAndromeda and Anthem given neither game went as well as expected.. Combine that with ht fact they've restarted Dreadwolf twice an dit makes i tsound like they're in a bit of a mess. So they need this to be a win at least financially.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Dec 8, 2023 18:04:35 GMT
I'm watching someone play ME3 for the first time, and I really do feel that a lot of the negativity surrounding the game was so overblown. I still have issues with the ending, and some other parts (some of them a bit nit-picky), but overall it really is a good game. It's a shame to see the vitriol still kinda lingers and that new players get a negative view from the game even before they get a chance to see for themselves. The one I'm watching right now is currently loving the game (and the series as a whole of course).
On topic, my guess for a release is not before 2028. I want to say 2027, but I doubt anyone is actually doing anything with the game at the moment, and likely won't even start until DAD is out.
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