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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 2, 2019 22:20:22 GMT
I would ask them why the guy says one more story ... about "The Shepard." It doesn't say anything about Shepard himself/herself being the PC in another Mass Effect story. It could just as easily be an indication that they intended at that time to go forward using Control as the canon ending.... and that could still be their plan with Ryder returning to the Milky Way to face The Shepard and his/her Reapers. The reapers are unbeatable without the crucible though. The only way I could see them fighting shep and his reapers would be to have ryker make shepard remember who he was and then have shep essentially kill himself. This would be painful and even typing that hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 22:30:25 GMT
... about "The Shepard." It doesn't say anything about Shepard himself/herself being the PC in another Mass Effect story. It could just as easily be an indication that they intended at that time to go forward using Control as the canon ending.... and that could still be their plan with Ryder returning to the Milky Way to face The Shepard and his/her Reapers. The reapers are unbeatable without the crucible though. The only way I could see them fighting shep and his reapers would be to have ryker make shepard remember who he was and then have shep essentially kill himself. This would be painful and even typing that hurt. The ending slides for Control include a speech given by "The Shepard" declaring himself/herself immortal, eternal, etc. and committing himself to protecting the galaxy (if paragon) or ruling the galaxy (if renegade). From the contents of that speech Shepard clearly is self-aware and remembers something of the Milky Way. What I said essentially is that "The Shepard" (the deity created by control, NOT Shepard the marine) could be the adversary... essentially replacing the Catalyst itself. A crucible has been at least partially built for several cycle, being modified in each cycle and coming closer to completion. Who is to say that another one can't be built from the blueprints in order to beat "The Shepard."
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 2, 2019 22:37:44 GMT
The reapers are unbeatable without the crucible though. The only way I could see them fighting shep and his reapers would be to have ryker make shepard remember who he was and then have shep essentially kill himself. This would be painful and even typing that hurt. The ending slides for Control include a speech given by "The Shepard" declaring himself/herself immortal, eternal, etc. and committing himself to protecting the galaxy (if paragon) or ruling the galaxy (if renegade). From the contents of that speech Shepard clearly is self-aware and remembers something of the Milky Way. What I said essentially is that "The Shepard" (the deity created by control, NOT Shepard the marine) could be the adversary... essentially replacing the Catalyst itself. A crucible has been at least partially built for several cycle, being modified in each cycle and coming closer to completion. Who is to say that another one can't be built from the blueprints in order to beat "The Shepard." I don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying I am wrong or right? If they are gonna have ryder fight the reapers controlled by shep like you said in your scenario then we have to assume that shepard started the cycle again or did something horrible with them like killing scores of innocent people for no reason. If ryder had to fight reaper shepard there would be no way he could win. I just through in the "reminding shep who he was" because it would have to be something way out there and would likely be stupid if ryder was gonna fight the reapers and somehow win
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 22:44:39 GMT
The ending slides for Control include a speech given by "The Shepard" declaring himself/herself immortal, eternal, etc. and committing himself to protecting the galaxy (if paragon) or ruling the galaxy (if renegade). From the contents of that speech Shepard clearly is self-aware and remembers something of the Milky Way. What I said essentially is that "The Shepard" (the deity created by control, NOT Shepard the marine) could be the adversary... essentially replacing the Catalyst itself. A crucible has been at least partially built for several cycle, being modified in each cycle and coming closer to completion. Who is to say that another one can't be built from the blueprints in order to beat "The Shepard." I don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying I am wrong or right? If they are gonna have ryder fight the reapers controlled by shep like you said in your scenario then we have to assume that shepard started the cycle again or did something horrible with them like killing scores of innocent people for no reason. If ryder had to fight reaper shepard there would be no way he could win. I just through in the "reminding shep who he was" because it would have to be something way out there and would likely be stupid if ryder was gonna fight the reapers and somehow win I'm saying another crucible would be built. The Shepard, if they make him/her the adversary would have effectively become The Catalyst... Shepard would have succumbed to the old saying - Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's effectively a reboot of the OT - same story, just replayed 600 years later with a different PC.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 2, 2019 22:49:13 GMT
Good thing my Shepard chose the red.
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Post by sil on Apr 2, 2019 23:29:54 GMT
The intention wasn't so much to create a Mass Relay in the Andromeda galaxy, it was to "link" the galaxies via trade. It's possible that they intended purely to send huge hauling ships back and forth, perhaps with additional Arks making their way to Andromeda. Saying that though, the Conduit is scarcely mentioned after ME1, it's possible that the Initiative somehow got hold of it, possibly even under Council orders. It would be impossible to have trade between the milky way and andromeda without a mass relay. It took over six hundred years to get there and would take another six hundred years to get it back. That is longer then an asari lifespan. So if they aren't gonna make a mass relay then trade is impossible.
Now if the council set this up so that if the reapers came and won the asari,turians,etc etc would still live on as a species. That would make sense...except why didn't the council start preparing their militaries and such for the reaper invasion.
I have said however that sending groups of different species out to hide from the reapers would have been a really good idea. Especially for the asari since they can mate with any other races and thus could come back from a relatively small number of people.
Whether you think it's impossible or not, it doesn't change the fact that I'm right. The ME:A videos and game make it clear that they aren't leaving the MW behind forever, they want some kind of link between galaxies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 23:46:14 GMT
Good thing my Shepard chose the red. ... and it won't matter a lick if they go with "The Shepard" control route... effectively making Control the canon choice.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 2, 2019 23:49:53 GMT
A crucible has been at least partially built for several cycle, Several? The only time I heard the word several is when the thing says it's known about the concept of the crucible for several cycles. In the prothean cycle it would have been completed if there wasn't an indoctrinated group who wanted to control the reapers. The project was sabotaged. I would guess that has happened in previous cycles as well.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 2, 2019 23:50:41 GMT
Good thing my Shepard chose the red. ... and it won't matter a lick if they go with "The Shepard" control route... effectively making Control the canon choice. You mean your scenario.
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Post by Guardian on Apr 3, 2019 0:04:34 GMT
I liked ME1 Liara a lot more than her sequel iterations. So did I. That ME1 Liara is no longer there nor recognizable in ME2 or ME3. I felt Liara in ME 1 was super creepy Then actually became better in ME 2 and 3. In fact, in 2, when I saw her confidence and how sure she was of herself, that's the Liara I wanted on my squad. But in ME 1 she just felt....creepy and stalker-ish But, to each their own
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 0:28:53 GMT
... and it won't matter a lick if they go with "The Shepard" control route... effectively making Control the canon choice. You mean your scenario. No scenario has been chosen (or at least announced to have been chosen). All are on the table. They could pick mine, who knows.
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Post by melbella on Apr 3, 2019 1:02:18 GMT
Who is to say that another one can't be built from the blueprints in order to beat "The Shepard." Just blow up the Citadel. No more Catalyst or Shepalyst.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 1:15:08 GMT
Who is to say that another one can't be built from the blueprints in order to beat "The Shepard." Just blow up the Citadel. No more Catalyst or Shepalyst. One can probably just blow up an AI (The Catalyst). As we've been shown, you can apparently just shoot it.... BUT, can one just blow up an "immortal, eternal" being?
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Post by melbella on Apr 3, 2019 1:32:32 GMT
BUT, can one just blow up an "immortal, eternal" being? You can blow up its hardware. Shepalyst software replaces the Catalyst software, which is housed in the Citadel. There's no EDI without her bluebox, there's no Catalyst without wherever it's hiding. Blow the Citadel into small enough pieces, it won't have any processing power left to be anything.
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Post by dazk on Apr 3, 2019 1:40:43 GMT
It was rumoured that the Initiative's plan included finishing the Nexus as a Mass Relay linking the two galaxies. Didn't we have a conversation about that in ME1, that nobody knew how the Mass Relays worked, they hadn't even been mapped and that a team had started working on understanding them, but for their results to start coming in would take literally hundreds of years? So unless they dragged a defunct relay along to at least map and reverse engineer, since I doubt they had a functioning one stuffed in the cargo bay, this shouldn't be possible? And wasn't the reason we went to Andromeda, exactly to get away from the Milky Way? So that Bioware wouldn't have to address the endings, because they couldn't pick one ending as canon and invalidate the others? Just so now they could revisit the Milky Way and just hand wave it away? That's even worse. It sounds like a very Bioware thing to do, but it's worse. You'd actually be spitting in the face of everyone that defended ME3 endings, by admitting nothing mattered, while also continuing shitting on the people that argued how stupid the ending of ME3 was. If Bioware goes through with that, I suggest you invest heavily in corn, because pop corn sells well with shitstorms like that.
In MEA doesn't Suvi say the Geth re-purposed a Mass Relay into the FTL that they used to scan Andromeda. If the Geth are the MB then sounds like they'd have a pretty good idea how to build one. NOTE: Not that I think this is plausible or going to happen as an ME game storyline. Just throwing it out there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 3:37:26 GMT
BUT, can one just blow up an "immortal, eternal" being? You can blow up its hardware. Shepalyst software replaces the Catalyst software, which is housed in the Citadel. There's no EDI without her bluebox, there's no Catalyst without wherever it's hiding. Blow the Citadel into small enough pieces, it won't have any processing power left to be anything. Shepard doesn't have a blue box. He/she has a soul. Would "The Shepard" even need the Citadel to control the Reapers? He/she becomes a deity - not so different from the sorts of Gods people have been worshipping since the Stone Age.
TIM sort of sums it up when he talks about Cerberus - "Cerberus isn't just an organization or the people behind it. Cerberus is an idea. That idea is not so easily destroyed."
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 3, 2019 9:08:09 GMT
In MEA doesn't Suvi say the Geth re-purposed a Mass Relay into the FTL that they used to scan Andromeda. If the Geth are the MB then sounds like they'd have a pretty good idea how to build one. NOTE: Not that I think this is plausible or going to happen as an ME game storyline. Just throwing it out there. Again, spying the geth, to the point of extracting all this info, in the first place? the geth not weaponizing this amazing tech for whatever reason, while having this knowledge, in case of maybe the Quarians fighting back? What they expect me to believe the geth have done and the Initiative has accomplished, that nobody else in the OT has access to or developed themselves, including the Geth to stuff they've already done? That's a little far fetched to me. There is a serious disconnect here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 11:41:17 GMT
A crucible has been at least partially built for several cycle, Several? The only time I heard the word several is when the thing says it's known about the concept of the crucible for several cycles. In the prothean cycle it would have been completed if there wasn't an indoctrinated group who wanted to control the reapers. The project was sabotaged. I would guess that has happened in previous cycles as well. You might want to review the conversation you have with Vendetta. "The crucible is not of Prothean design. It is the work of countless cycles stretching back millions of years. Each cycle adds to it. Each cycle improves it. Thus far, none has successfully defeated the Reapers with it."
That sounds like "several" cycles to me... and it sure sounds like the design was modified in each cycle. At what point would you consider the crucible to not have been sabotaged. I would suggest that TIM very nearly sabotaged the deployment of the crucible after it was connected to the Citadel. How far the Protheans got before their project was sabotaged is unclear and certainly even unclearer for the previous cycles. We do know that the Catalyst said that s similar solution to Synthesis had been tried in the past and failed because the organics were not ready. This could be interpreted as meaning that their design of the Crucible had not become refined enough to indicate that they were ready to integrate completely with their technologies.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 3, 2019 11:46:45 GMT
So "several", for you, is the equivalent to countless? If you say so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 11:50:28 GMT
So "several", for you, is the equivalent to countless? If you say so. Not equivalent... several is me "understating" rather than "exaggerating." If you really want me to go with "countless" then just substitute that word in yourself. Didn't we have a conversation where the number of cycles possible was estimated to be around 20 based on the age of the galaxy itself?
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Post by themikefest on Apr 3, 2019 11:58:37 GMT
Didn't we have a conversation where the number of cycles possible was estimated to be around 20 based on the age of the galaxy itself? No.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 12:09:26 GMT
Didn't we have a conversation where the number of cycles possible was estimated to be around 20 based on the age of the galaxy itself? No. Well, I had that conversation with someone else then. I'm sure it's in the archives here somewhere.
IMO, several or countless - It REALLY doesn't matter and I'm at a loss why you'd even bring it up. Use whichever term floats your boat... or make your argument as to why you feel it's so critical to the discussion at hand.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 3, 2019 18:08:16 GMT
By the time another ME could release, how many gamers will be l left who remember or care about the trilogy anyway? What was the big RPG of 2006? What happened in it? That's always a possibility. Though I'd say the hardcore fanbase will remain unless it's decades down the road. If that happens it'd be a full reboot almost definitely.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 3, 2019 18:36:17 GMT
By the time another ME could release, how many gamers will be l left who remember or care about the trilogy anyway? What was the big RPG of 2006? What happened in it? The two biggest ones I’d say was Elder Scrolls IV and Final Fantasy XII. I still remember what happened in them.
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Post by Phantom on Apr 3, 2019 19:35:17 GMT
regardless of endings, what if there was a ME game that involves fighting the Cult of the Shepard.
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