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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Aug 6, 2019 14:15:06 GMT
With Anthem and DA4 allocated Dylan and Joplin, I'm guessing Bowie for Mass Effect. I'm thinking, codenamed "Hendrix" since both Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix died within three weeks of each other, and both at the age of only 27. Janis died on October 4th 1970 and Jimi died September 18th, also 1970. Not to mention, Hendrix covered several of Dylan's songs. Did you know that in MEA in the mission "Descension in The Ranks", the relays you find to track down the Kett 2nd in command, all the relays have messages with a reference to a song in them such as Raspberry Beret by Prince, a song by Leonard Cohen and one by Bowie I think. I believe it was a tribute to all of them as they died whilst MEA was being made. I posted this in the Mass Effect Andromeda "The Little Things You Have Discovered" but don't have the time to search for it ATM. I remember hearing/reading about the deaths of David Bowie (whose wife, Iman, is stunning even at something like 57 years old), Prince (this was tragic....I consider Prince to be like Michael Jackson, an artist who will often be imitated but never duplicated. Michael had dance moves that people still can't figure out, and his music was always poignant. Definitely an Artist always ahead of his time. Prince, in my mind was the same way.....his music seemed to be ahead of his (and its) time). I am still doing a playthrough in MEA, don't believe I've completed that mission but I will keep an eye out for it. Thanks for the heads-up!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 15:07:03 GMT
I think that even if they keep Andromeda, they simply should name it something else than Andromeda 2. There's a reason Dragon Age Inquisition was called that, rather than Dragon Age 3; To get rid of the negative stigma that DA2 brought forth on it. Thus, they should do the same for Andromeda, taking a name that is barely used in anything but still recognizable, like, Mass Effect Maelstrom, or Mass Effect Constituent, or Mass Effect Abnegation. Those titles can be used for practically any story they would want to tell. It can still take place in Andromeda. It can also be the same characters, although it might be wise for it to be different characters, completely separate from being a Pathfinder, but not moving too far away from the established time and setting. I'm anticipating they will do something like that... and probably also use a word that goes back to conjuring up visions of conflict or disaster. .. something unsettling to step away from the "too positive/too paragon" vibe Andromeda gave the fan base.
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Post by natetrace on Aug 6, 2019 17:14:59 GMT
I think that even if they keep Andromeda, they simply should name it something else than Andromeda 2. There's a reason Dragon Age Inquisition was called that, rather than Dragon Age 3; To get rid of the negative stigma that DA2 brought forth on it. Thus, they should do the same for Andromeda, taking a name that is barely used in anything but still recognizable, like, Mass Effect Maelstrom, or Mass Effect Constituent, or Mass Effect Abnegation. Those titles can be used for practically any story they would want to tell. It can still take place in Andromeda. It can also be the same characters, although it might be wise for it to be different characters, completely separate from being a Pathfinder, but not moving too far away from the established time and setting. I've said before I really think this might be the case. It will be a loose sequel, but it won't be called Andromeda 2. It may start with an A to let people know it's another Andromeda game, just different.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 19:47:57 GMT
I think that even if they keep Andromeda, they simply should name it something else than Andromeda 2. There's a reason Dragon Age Inquisition was called that, rather than Dragon Age 3; To get rid of the negative stigma that DA2 brought forth on it. Thus, they should do the same for Andromeda, taking a name that is barely used in anything but still recognizable, like, Mass Effect Maelstrom, or Mass Effect Constituent, or Mass Effect Abnegation. Those titles can be used for practically any story they would want to tell. It can still take place in Andromeda. It can also be the same characters, although it might be wise for it to be different characters, completely separate from being a Pathfinder, but not moving too far away from the established time and setting. I've said before I really think this might be the case. It will be a loose sequel, but it won't be called Andromeda 2. It may start with an A to let people know it's another Andromeda game, just different. I don't know as starting with "A" or not would necessarily be such a cue to anyone as to the content. I think it's more important that whatever they choose is emotive ienough to spur curiosity about the contents of the game... something, as Ascend suggested, that's ambiguous without being either 'in your face" or misleading.
ETA: If they pick up the sequel a year or so after the end of Andromeda, I could even see them using a Quarian word and then defining it within the game (somewhat similar to how they handled the name of the Quarian Ark) They could even push the timeline farther if the Quarian Ark does manage to find their own "golden world" before connecting with the Nexus. We know that this would fit the sequence exhibited by the human ark, which was heading directly to its designated "golden world" when it encountered the scourge. If Habitat 7 had of been habitable, chances are they would have taken at least some time to set up a colony on the planet before heading off to dock with the Nexus.
Given some of the details presented in Valente's book and the fact the Barla Von disappears from the Citadel part way through ME3, he's now my "most likely suspect" for being the Benefactor.
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Given some of the details presented in Valente's book and the fact the Barla Von disappears from the Citadel part way through ME3, he's now my "most likely suspect" for being the Benefactor.
There's some bullet holes behind where he was standing. I think Cerberus killed him.
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Given some of the details presented in Valente's book and the fact the Barla Von disappears from the Citadel part way through ME3, he's now my "most likely suspect" for being the Benefactor.
There's some bullet holes behind where he was standing. I think Cerberus killed him. There's bullet holes all over the place after the coup. Nothing was definitively said so I wouldn't call it convincing evidence... purely circumstantial. It was clear he was making plans to get out of there anyways.
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Post by dazk on Aug 6, 2019 21:56:33 GMT
Did you know that in MEA in the mission "Descension in The Ranks", the relays you find to track down the Kett 2nd in command, all the relays have messages with a reference to a song in them such as Raspberry Beret by Prince, a song by Leonard Cohen and one by Bowie I think. I believe it was a tribute to all of them as they died whilst MEA was being made. I posted this in the Mass Effect Andromeda "The Little Things You Have Discovered" but don't have the time to search for it ATM. I remember hearing/reading about the deaths of David Bowie (whose wife, Iman, is stunning even at something like 57 years old), Prince (this was tragic....I consider Prince to be like Michael Jackson, an artist who will often be imitated but never duplicated. Michael had dance moves that people still can't figure out, and his music was always poignant. Definitely an Artist always ahead of his time. Prince, in my mind was the same way.....his music seemed to be ahead of his (and its) time). I am still doing a playthrough in MEA, don't believe I've completed that mission but I will keep an eye out for it. Thanks for the heads-up! No worries, you have to click on the relays during the mission and each has a short message that contains the clue to the artist. I didn't recognize the Leonard Cohen (and should have) but someone else on BSN did.
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 6, 2019 22:01:41 GMT
Given some of the details presented in Valente's book and the fact the Barla Von disappears from the Citadel part way through ME3, he's now my "most likely suspect" for being the Benefactor.
There's some bullet holes behind where he was standing. I think Cerberus killed him. He's later seen in the AA Arena scoreboard and some people talk his gear.
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There's some bullet holes behind where he was standing. I think Cerberus killed him. He's later seen in the AA Arena scoreboard and some people talk his gear. It's hard to say whether he made the leader board before or after the point the Quarian ark departed or even before or after the coup for that matter. Some names stay on a leaderboard for a long time.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 7, 2019 1:19:03 GMT
I think it's safe to say that BV is exactly as alive as Bio wants him to be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 14:04:13 GMT
I think it's safe to say that BV is exactly as alive as Bio wants him to be. Absolutely. They've been vague enough about his status that they could carry forward either way. This is a speculation thread, so I'm merely speculating forward... that the book could be a good lead in to a sequel to ME:A. Generally, it was better received than the game itself (although not the Hugo-winning effort I had hoped of getting from Catherine Vallente). I see a potential for character selection based on two of the main characters in the book (one male and one female). Since the ark left after the initial Reaper attack in ME3, I also see some potential for a few familiar characters to be on that ark. It's another option that Bioware could go with, IMO. Some could be dead (depending on player decisions), but that shouldn't be any problem, since people claim it shouldn't be a problem if a canon ending to ME3 resurrects a potentially dead Shepard). Such rewrites involving previously more minor characters should be easier for the fans to swallow in general than rewrites regarding the life or death status of major ones.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 11, 2019 6:10:20 GMT
Eh... I still think the Benefactor is SAM.
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Post by dazk on Aug 11, 2019 7:05:42 GMT
Eh... I still think the Benefactor is SAM. SAM in league with the Geth is my tip!!!
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Besides the identity of the Benefactor, what story elements in Andromeda would you like the next Mass Effect game to deal with if the story were to pick up straight after the events of ME:A? Locating the golden worlds of the other Milkyway racesPersonally, I'd very much like to witness the quarians, hanar, elcor, batarians, drell and volus find their own "golden worlds/ideal outpost locations" or (if decimated by the Scourge) to help them find new ones. I'm a bit concerned about the volus, since during scanning the Heleus cluster I didn't come across a single high-pressure (atm 60) world with suitable air which would enable them to live in warm temperatures without always having to wear their pressure suits to not end up being cooked or worse [When the atmospheric pressure is 1, ammonia boils at -33 degrees Celcius (-28 degrees Fahrenheit). From what I've read, when atmospheric pressure is 60, its boiling point rises to around 100 degrees Celsius (around 210 degrees Fahrenheit)]. If the Scourge has gotten to the yet to be located volus world, I expect trouble, because AI can't have packed a lot of prefab pieces for building additional volus-proof sealed environments. Though, who knows? Maybe there's a volus with deep pockets onboard the quarian ark? At the present the others are in a better position: in a pinch, one could, for example, probably place the hanar in Voeld, because regardless of the surface temperatures, Voeld's waters can't drop below the freezing point. Though it would be cool to find a planet with underwater remnant structures: I wouldn't say no to a quest where you help turn on an underwater vault with a hanar NPC. The drell on the other hand would probably do better in a drier climate, perhaps Eos or Elaaden? Above all, I would like non-jokey, serious quests which involved humans cooperating with members of the lesser known Milkyway races and learning more about them. Visiting the ruins of a dead civilisation, the "Bermuda Triangle" planet in the Inalaara system, and the two remaining Angaran worlds
H-019 is a planet located in the Jirayder system and is said to have villages of a species which went extinct because of the Scourge. How similar were they compared to Angarans? I was also interested to read that multiple ships had disappeared in vicinity of the planet Novolori. It could be the kett or raiders, but ever since finishing the ME:A, I have wondered what would happen if one were to turn a remnant Architect's and Abyssal's assumed terraforming and planetary monitoring systems off and turn their defensive systems hostile against anyone getting close to their planet's atmosphere. Specifically: are they tools or weapons we yet don't understand? An infoboard on Aya told us there were originally five Angaran colony worlds, and we've seen bits of Aya, Havarl and Voeld, so besides being interested in seeing what else is hiding under all that ice in Voeld, I would like to hear about the remaining two. The geth: stowaways to Andromeda or already there?
Some people on this forum have speculated that some geth might have hitched a ride to Andromeda inside the computers and like of Ark Keelah Si'yah, but I haven't come across anyone speculating that maybe they could have decided to journey there a long time before Jien Garson even came up with the idea of AI. Given that the geth-quarian war happened 300 years ago, I find it hard to imagine that during that time the geth wouldn't have come up with the idea to simply move to an unpopulated corner of a new galaxy to avoid additional conflict with the quarians. Most likely having been a minority notion, its proponents could have assembled the "FTL" telescope and set off to Andromeda independently. Depending on their ship's engines those geth could already be there or be still on their way. It could be interesting to run into a shipwrecked geth vessel whose occupants had been cut from contact from their Milkyway "countrymen" for nearly nine centuries. The aftermath of the worrying datapad and terminal entries found in Port Meridian - Angara showing affinity: ALERT! (Talks about the Angara having been designed to pass info through their genetics and the possibility of sleeper agents) - Future Potential and Protocol ("We can't even determine [the Jardaan's] intent in building Meridian, and partial translations only serve to provoke concerns.") - The Machine of Life ("I'm starting to think even the Jardaan were concerned by Meridian.") - Interfacing: Budgeting request ("As of today, the Ryder siblings are still the only people able to directly interface with Remnant---But there was a time when there was only one human biotic---To avoid the violence of Subject White, and to avoid the mistakes of BAaT training at Gagarin, we must begin preparations now---The next person to control Remnant cannot be an accident. Welcome to New Zero. Let's be ready.") Despite worrying implications of the above mentioned entries found in Port Meridian after the victory party, I'm actually quite interested to see what are the consequences of the Angarans coming into contact to technology left behind the Jardaan and the shadowy organisations that seem to be sprouting in backrooms. As a counter-measure, I wouldn't be surprised if in near future Avitus Rix found himself evaluating potential Spectre candidates for Andromeda. Also with the humans claiming Meridian for themselves, it probably won't be long before other races will start to voice their concerns. I'm also looking forward to see what will become of New Zero. ( As a sidenote, I finally caught the reference to Subject White, the first human biotic, mentioned briefly in ME codex. )
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Post by dazk on Aug 11, 2019 21:43:22 GMT
Besides the identity of the Benefactor, what story elements in Andromeda would you like the next Mass Effect game to deal with if the story were to pick up straight after the events of ME:A? Locating the golden worlds of the other Milkyway racesPersonally, I'd very much like to witness the quarians, hanar, elcor, batarians, drell and volus find their own "golden worlds/ideal outpost locations" or (if decimated by the Scourge) to help them find new ones. I'm a bit concerned about the volus, since during scanning the Heleus cluster I didn't come across a single high-pressure (atm 60) world with suitable air which would enable them to live in warm temperatures without always having to wear their pressure suits to not end up being cooked or worse [When the atmospheric pressure is 1, ammonia boils at -33 degrees Celcius (-28 degrees Fahrenheit). From what I've read, when atmospheric pressure is 60, its boiling point rises to around 100 degrees Celsius (around 210 degrees Fahrenheit)]. If the Scourge has gotten to the yet to be located volus world, I expect trouble, because AI can't have packed a lot of prefab pieces for building additional volus-proof sealed environments. Though, who knows? Maybe there's a volus with deep pockets onboard the quarian ark? At the present the others are in a better position: in a pinch, one could, for example, probably place the hanar in Voeld, because regardless of the surface temperatures, Voeld's waters can't drop below the freezing point. Though it would be cool to find a planet with underwater remnant structures: I wouldn't say no to a quest where you help turn on an underwater vault with a hanar NPC. The drell on the other hand would probably do better in a drier climate, perhaps Eos or Elaaden? Above all, I would like non-jokey, serious quests which involved humans cooperating with members of the lesser known Milkyway races and learning more about them. Visiting the ruins of a dead civilisation, the "Bermuda Triangle" planet in the Inalaara system, and the two remaining Angaran worlds
H-019 is a planet located in the Jirayder system and is said to have villages of a species which went extinct because of the Scourge. How similar were they compared to Angarans? I was also interested to read that multiple ships had disappeared in vicinity of the planet Novolori. It could be the kett or raiders, but ever since finishing the ME:A, I have wondered what would happen if one were to turn a remnant Architect's and Abyssal's assumed terraforming and planetary monitoring systems off and turn their defensive systems hostile against anyone getting close to their planet's atmosphere. Specifically: are they tools or weapons we yet don't understand? An infoboard on Aya told us there were originally five Angaran colony worlds, and we've seen bits of Aya, Havarl and Voeld, so besides being interested in seeing what else is hiding under all that ice in Voeld, I would like to hear about the remaining two. The geth: stowaways to Andromeda or already there?
Some people on this forum have speculated that some geth might have hitched a ride to Andromeda inside the computers and like of Ark Keelah Si'yah, but I haven't come across anyone speculating that maybe they could have decided to journey there a long time before Jien Garson even came up with the idea of AI. Given that the geth-quarian war happened 300 years ago, I find it hard to imagine that during that time the geth wouldn't have come up with the idea to simply move to an unpopulated corner of a new galaxy to avoid additional conflict with the quarians. Most likely having been a minority notion, its proponents could have assembled the "FTL" telescope and set off to Andromeda independently. Depending on their ship's engines those geth could already be there or be still on their way. It could be interesting to run into a shipwrecked geth vessel whose occupants had been cut from contact from their Milkyway "countrymen" for nearly nine centuries. The aftermath of the worrying datapad and terminal entries found in Port Meridian - Angara showing affinity: ALERT! (Talks about the Angara having been designed to pass info through their genetics and the possibility of sleeper agents) - Future Potential and Protocol ("We can't even determine [the Jardaan's] intent in building Meridian, and partial translations only serve to provoke concerns.") - The Machine of Life ("I'm starting to think even the Jardaan were concerned by Meridian.") - Interfacing: Budgeting request ("As of today, the Ryder siblings are still the only people able to directly interface with Remnant---But there was a time when there was only one human biotic---To avoid the violence of Subject White, and to avoid the mistakes of BAaT training at Gagarin, we must begin preparations now---The next person to control Remnant cannot be an accident. Welcome to New Zero. Let's be ready.") Despite worrying implications of the above mentioned entries found in Port Meridian after the victory party, I'm actually quite interested to see what are the consequences of the Angarans coming into contact to technology left behind the Jardaan and the shadowy organisations that seem to be sprouting in backrooms. As a counter-measure, I wouldn't be surprised if in near future Avitus Rix found himself evaluating potential Spectre candidates for Andromeda. Also with the humans claiming Meridian for themselves, it probably won't be long before other races will start to voice their concerns. I'm also looking forward to see what will become of New Zero. ( As a sidenote, I finally caught the reference to Subject White, the first human biotic, mentioned briefly in ME codex. )Wow nice post sandwichtern . I'd like to see all those points explored and I wish I had as a good a memory for all the planets I scanned especially from the perspective of the other races living on them. Briefly I think quite a few I remember would not have taken much to terraform to make them liveable I just don't remember them from the perspective of the other races requirements. I am pretty sure I have discussed my thoughts previously somewhere on BSN (a long time ago) in regards to The Geth and them scouting Andromeda via the FTL Telescope and having possibly already sent ships to explore it. It is one of my justifications that they and SAM are both the MB and explains some of the comments the MB makes, like with regards to the Ai needing an AI in Andromeda and its different perspective where they are going (sorry can't remember the exact quote). I also just can't believe Alec could develop an AI on his own, it would also be in The Geth's interest to have humans get a better understanding of AI's via the implant and also The Geth/SAM would be able to "acquire" the money needed to keep the Ai going. If SAM is involved in Jien Garsons murder it also explains his questions about laws for AI in Andromeda. There's more but I don't have the time right now to post more. Thanks for posting.
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I am pretty sure I have discussed my thoughts previously somewhere on BSN (a long time ago) in regards to The Geth and them scouting Andromeda via the FTL Telescope and having possibly already sent ships to explore it. It is one of my justifications that they and SAM are both the MB and explains some of the comments the MB makes, like with regards to the Ai needing an AI in Andromeda and its different perspective where they are going (sorry can't remember the exact quote). I also just can't believe Alec could develop an AI on his own, it would also be in The Geth's interest to have humans get a better understanding of AI's via the implant and also The Geth/SAM would be able to "acquire" the money needed to keep the Ai going. If SAM is involved in Jien Garsons murder it also explains his questions about laws for AI in Andromeda. There's more but I don't have the time right now to post more. Oh, cool. That means I just have to keep on reading the older threads. During the time MEA was released I was in the middle of my first DA:I run and paid less attention to ME threads here. As for the little game details, I keep a notebook of long/complicated quests, areas and game mechanics etc., and over the time I started to include interesting bits of lore into it too. So I'm not that good at remembering details from minor codex entries.
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Post by dazk on Aug 12, 2019 22:32:13 GMT
I am pretty sure I have discussed my thoughts previously somewhere on BSN (a long time ago) in regards to The Geth and them scouting Andromeda via the FTL Telescope and having possibly already sent ships to explore it. It is one of my justifications that they and SAM are both the MB and explains some of the comments the MB makes, like with regards to the Ai needing an AI in Andromeda and its different perspective where they are going (sorry can't remember the exact quote). I also just can't believe Alec could develop an AI on his own, it would also be in The Geth's interest to have humans get a better understanding of AI's via the implant and also The Geth/SAM would be able to "acquire" the money needed to keep the Ai going. If SAM is involved in Jien Garsons murder it also explains his questions about laws for AI in Andromeda. There's more but I don't have the time right now to post more. Oh, cool. That means I just have to keep on reading the older threads. During the time MEA was released I was in the middle of my first DA:I run and paid less attention to ME threads here. As for the little game details, I keep a notebook of long/complicated quests, areas and game mechanics etc., and over the time I started to include interesting bits of lore into it too. So I'm not that good at remembering details from minor codex entries. Yeah I am hopeless at remembering the minor details, if I don't document them immediately. My trick is to screenshot things but I took so many screenshots (6,200) of everything in MEA there is too much to go back through. One thing I did remember was there was a surprising amount of Collective hardware, satellites etc in some systems which made me wonder if The Collective was an extension of The Mysterious Benefactor. Was never sure how The Collective had so many resources available and how it was so well organised and why they had so much tech. This is a good thread to for Andromeda stuff people found: bsn.boards.net/thread/5622/andromedas-little-discovered?page=26&scrollTo=1293183and there's this one as well which has peoples recounting of their gameplay bsn.boards.net/thread/5797/today-andromeda?page=1
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Post by sandwichtern on Aug 13, 2019 10:31:26 GMT
One thing I did remember was there was a surprising amount of Collective hardware, satellites etc in some systems which made me wonder if The Collective was an extension of The Mysterious Benefactor. Was never sure how The Collective had so many resources available and how it was so well organised and why they had so much tech. Yeah, I guess you couldn't have as much intrigue in your story if all the shady organisations in Milkyway hadn't decided that the best way for their organisation to grow was to set up a branch office in Andromeda. I myself didn't connect the Collective to the Benefactor, but I did suspect that Zoe Kennedy's resource tracker system had long since lost its security either due to hacking or the codes being passed around like candy. As the second stage of the AI includes waking up all sorts of specialists to make use of and study the resources we've gathered, I see escort duty and "locate a lost miner/scientist" missions in our future - hopefully even a trip to the centre parts of Meridian or waking one those sleeping Angarans in a pod. Or think what the 50 odd doomsday cultist hanar will make of the reborn Angarans! I also intend to keep my eyes open for characters with ark or flood themed names like a quarian called Ziu'Sudra (=Sumerian flood myth) or a salarian named Safina Nūh (=Noah's ark). I have to say though, at the rate we're going it won't be long until we run into some hapless project Lazarus defector with a Shepard clone #2 listed as hand luggage.
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Post by Ascend on Aug 14, 2019 18:39:11 GMT
I always assumed the Benefactor was either Cerberus (even though it was pro-human, TIM himself recommended aliens on your team), or Liara AKA The Shadow Broker.
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 14, 2019 19:00:26 GMT
I always assumed the Benefactor was either Cerberus (even though it was pro-human, TIM himself recommended aliens on your team), or Liara AKA The Shadow Broker. Don't tell this to Walters I beg you
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Post by gkonone on Aug 14, 2019 19:35:36 GMT
Newsflash. Shepard will not save the game if the overall writing is exactly as lackluster as Andromeda. Absolutely, but it will give it a better marketing pitch, ensuring some good initial financial numbers, whereas Andromeda 2 will most likely not be afforded that luxury and in the off chance it is actually good, it will have a very bad initial period that might prove devastating for the title and the studio in the long term, if it even picks up due to good critical reception at all. The point is always the hook and the name of Mass Effect and Bioware alone is a hook no longer. I very much agree on this. The best pitch you'll ever get is basically Shepard. The protagonist that put the brand on the map in the first place. That sold BW zillions of copies, sparked awesome memes (We'll bang ok? If you don't know that reference, seriously check it out) and just gave us one of the best trilogies in rpg gaming ever. Shepard is what Master Chief is to the Halo series, Zelda or Mario, the personification of a successful series. As Miranda said in ME2 'a bloody icon'. I feel that if BW would be bold enough to try it on, a return of Shepard, and have decent writing, it would be a huge success really. Just think about all the time we invested into our crew, the relationships we build, the memories we made. To follow up on that, it would be like a sort of homecoming.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 14, 2019 20:40:28 GMT
How fucking bad have things gone, where we figuratively have to sacrifice virgins to Belial, in order to have hope of getting some decent writing again from Bioware.
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Post by Ascend on Aug 15, 2019 0:53:42 GMT
Absolutely, but it will give it a better marketing pitch, ensuring some good initial financial numbers, whereas Andromeda 2 will most likely not be afforded that luxury and in the off chance it is actually good, it will have a very bad initial period that might prove devastating for the title and the studio in the long term, if it even picks up due to good critical reception at all. The point is always the hook and the name of Mass Effect and Bioware alone is a hook no longer. I very much agree on this. The best pitch you'll ever get is basically Shepard. The protagonist that put the brand on the map in the first place. That sold BW zillions of copies, sparked awesome memes (We'll bang ok? If you don't know that reference, seriously check it out) and just gave us one of the best trilogies in rpg gaming ever. Shepard is what Master Chief is to the Halo series, Zelda or Mario, the personification of a successful series. As Miranda said in ME2 'a bloody icon'. I feel that if BW would be bold enough to try it on, a return of Shepard, and have decent writing, it would be a huge success really. Just think about all the time we invested into our crew, the relationships we build, the memories we made. To follow up on that, it would be like a sort of homecoming. I can't agree with this though... Shepard is... How do I put this lightly? An empty shell... That's not a bad thing, because, that is exactly what allows players to role play their Shepard how they like. They can be nice, they can be an ass, they can be politically correct or incorrect, gay, straight, a-sexual and so on. Comparing Master Chief, Link (I think you meant Link instead of Zelda), Mario to Shepard, it's not really the same thing. They are all fixed characters with a fixed personality, a fixed persona, the exact opposite of Shepard, which has a variable personality and is variable persona. That being said, Shepard is still an icon, but a different one and for very different reasons. In those other character examples, the characters make the game. You can't put Mario in Halo, or Master Chief in Mario. Not for a serious game anyway. For Shepard, the game makes the character, which is why the writing is even more important in the case of Shepard than in the case of the other games. The main character in Mass Effect is there for the player to identify with as much as possible. If you would replace the twins in Andromeda with Shepard, the game would not suddenly become better, because Shepard is a shell, just like the Ryder siblings. If you put Master Chief in Andromeda, or Mario, suddenly the characters alone make it a whole different game. Master Chief was made so the player can look up to him, rather than identify as closely as possible to him. Mario was made so the player has compassion for him (in the later games at least), rather than identify as closely as possible to him. Shepard on the other hand is the shell that the player will find themselves in, to ultimately feel like a hero themselves and have a plethora of emotions for the characters around Shepard. Ruining of the Shepard icon is the last thing BioWare needs right now, and I guarantee you, that's what would happen right now if they create anything that includes Shepard. The characters in Andromeda are meh, and the ones in Anthem are even worse. Shepard is shaped by the game, which means the other characters around Shepard and the world shape the main character. That is what needs to improve. Otherwise Shepard will fall flat on his/her face. If they use Shepard for whatever other Mass Effect, and use the same writing level and structure as for Andromeda and Anthem, it will be the last icing on the cake for the death of Mass Effect. I very much prefer they find themselves again with a new character before they ever attempt any sort of return to Shepard (a remaster is the exception). Let them sort the writing kinks out on whatever other Mass Effect title first, without Shepard.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 15, 2019 2:48:52 GMT
Absolutely, but it will give it a better marketing pitch, ensuring some good initial financial numbers, whereas Andromeda 2 will most likely not be afforded that luxury and in the off chance it is actually good, it will have a very bad initial period that might prove devastating for the title and the studio in the long term, if it even picks up due to good critical reception at all. The point is always the hook and the name of Mass Effect and Bioware alone is a hook no longer. I very much agree on this. The best pitch you'll ever get is basically Shepard. The protagonist that put the brand on the map in the first place. That sold BW zillions of copies, sparked awesome memes (We'll bang ok? If you don't know that reference, seriously check it out) and just gave us one of the best trilogies in rpg gaming ever. Shepard is what Master Chief is to the Halo series, Zelda or Mario, the personification of a successful series. As Miranda said in ME2 'a bloody icon'. I feel that if BW would be bold enough to try it on, a return of Shepard, and have decent writing, it would be a huge success really. Just think about all the time we invested into our crew, the relationships we build, the memories we made. To follow up on that, it would be like a sort of homecoming. Exactly. if shepard comes back it would make more people buy the game for that alone. Andromeda doesn't have that hook and won't get the initial sales that it may deserve. For the record I actually liked andromeda. It had more then a few faults but it was still a good game. Kind of like DA2. That said it wasn't like ME2 or ME3 before the ending. Just bringing back garrus,liara,whoever survived virmire,tali,miranda,and jack and showing them in a trailer would bring people back in the millions (literally) since if I remember right ME3 sold over a million copies. Yes it may be a bit cliche to bring back the hero to bring up sales but it works.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 15, 2019 5:53:11 GMT
The problem is that bringing back our individual Shepards is unworkable; it was barely workable in ME3.
(Well, it could work if the game is only five hours long, but I don't think that's gonna happen.)
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