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Post by ahglock on Feb 24, 2018 20:30:28 GMT
Well if you fail to choose, the Catalyst bascially has the reapers kill everyone. Maybe the reapers want to die? Look at it this way. Shepard survives in the destroy ending with max assets. (regardless whether it's IT or not) Any ending where shepard does not survive is a loss. Bioderp probably didn't want anyone to be too upset so gave everyone an ending resulting in the shitstorm that is ME3s ending, even though destroying the reapers is the goal of the game. Not making friends with them (after they butchered trillions of sentient beings) and ending up as a modern day equivelent of the Collectors (organic and synthetic), or committing suicide on the promise of being able to control the reapers. You know, the construction of the Crucible was to destroy the reapers. Anyhoo, as I mentioned before, the sequel does not need commander shepard at all. Sheps story has ended, but the overall story could continue without him. Sequel with no Shep would fail big time. That's why we'd need new/modified endings and I'm completely fine with more than 1 trilogy idea. I see endings different way: Synthesis = Saren = indoctrination. Control = TIM = indoctrination Destroy = Anderson = true ending. I've never unlocked suicide since I don't play online. Don't agree that you need Shep to continue. Every dragon age had a different lead we moved on. You'd have to make one of them canon but that's it. A Mass Effect 4, playing a character getting through boot would be fine if written well, heck a ME Noir, you play a private detective in Omega after the reaper war is over would work. Just have a good story and good writing and its probably going to sell. We can roll with new characters, I think the setting is a big selling point though. I'd be fine with a MEA2 as well, or MEA Noir or whatever, just have good characters, dialogue, story and im in and I think most bioware fans would be as well.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 24, 2018 20:39:35 GMT
For those discussing a sequel after ME3, remember there are a lot of big things to address other than the final choice. Most notably, the fate of the krogan, rachni, geth, and quarians.
I'd much rather it continue in Andromeda than them tear apart the Shepard Trilogy to make a ME4 in the Milky Way work. There is potential in Andromeda. Plus I like Ryder over Shepard anyway(though if/when we get a new PC I'm hoping we get race options).
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Post by ahglock on Feb 24, 2018 21:00:29 GMT
For those discussing a sequel after ME3, remember there are a lot of big things to address other than the final choice. Most notably, the fate of the krogan, rachni, geth, and quarians. I'd much rather it continue in Andromeda than them tear apart the Shepard Trilogy to make a ME4 in the Milky Way work. There is potential in Andromeda. Plus I like Ryder over Shepard anyway(though if/when we get a new PC I'm hoping we get race options). The only one I'd find tricky is the geth/quarians one. Krogan, nothing is stopping them from deploying another genophage or a modified one that ended the stillbirths but reduced birth rate to a single child. Rachni whether clones or original just have them killed in the war. Or they were modified enough that a destroy ending killed them as they were enough machine. The geth are dead as well thanks to destroy. The only question would be how many quarians survived. And that can be hand waved with something like they had a few colony ships in reserve, they never trusted Shep enough to let him or even Tali know about it. Whether Shep makes a decision or not doesn't mean he knows the outcome or all that's going on, he is not omniscient. And Ryder sucked.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 24, 2018 21:03:02 GMT
For those discussing a sequel after ME3, remember there are a lot of big things to address other than the final choice. Most notably, the fate of the krogan, rachni, geth, and quarians. I'd much rather it continue in Andromeda than them tear apart the Shepard Trilogy to make a ME4 in the Milky Way work. There is potential in Andromeda. Plus I like Ryder over Shepard anyway(though if/when we get a new PC I'm hoping we get race options). The only one I'd find tricky is the geth/quarians one. Krogan, nothing is stopping them from deploying another genophage or a modified one that ended the stillbirths but reduced birth rate to a single child. Rachni whether clones or original just have them killed in the war. Or they were modified enough that a destroy ending killed them as they were enough machine. The geth are dead as well thanks to destroy. The only question would be how many quarians survived. And that can be hand waved with something like they had a few colony ships in reserve, they never trusted Shep enough to let him or even Tali know about it. Whether Shep makes a decision or not doesn't mean he knows the outcome or all that's going on, he is not omniscient. And Ryder sucked. With your idea, I don't want anything to do with this hypothetical ME3 sequel since that sounds terrible. And that's the problem, no matter how they handle the races, whether they survive or not, it is going to piss off too many players. Hence why Andromeda is a solution to this since the members of those races there aren't affected by what occurs in the Milky Way.
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Post by warden on Feb 24, 2018 22:05:05 GMT
Sequel with no Shep would fail big time. That's why we'd need new/modified endings and I'm completely fine with more than 1 trilogy idea. I see endings different way: Synthesis = Saren = indoctrination. Control = TIM = indoctrination Destroy = Anderson = true ending. I've never unlocked suicide since I don't play online. Don't agree that you need Shep to continue. Every dragon age had a different lead we moved on. You'd have to make one of them canon but that's it. A Mass Effect 4, playing a character getting through boot would be fine if written well, heck a ME Noir, you play a private detective in Omega after the reaper war is over would work. Just have a good story and good writing and its probably going to sell. We can roll with new characters, I think the setting is a big selling point though. I'd be fine with a MEA2 as well, or MEA Noir or whatever, just have good characters, dialogue, story and im in and I think most bioware fans would be as well. That's the problem with you people and BioWare too, they are made by the same company but the concepts are different (aka for example the protagonist thing and funny enough the Dragon Age one protagonist per game will backfire eventually), except for the storytelling part, and you just fail to see the differences. One part of the problems started when they started to mix the two philosophies.
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Post by izut on Feb 24, 2018 22:35:47 GMT
Sequel with no Shep would fail big time. That's why we'd need new/modified endings and I'm completely fine with more than 1 trilogy idea. I see endings different way: Synthesis = Saren = indoctrination. Control = TIM = indoctrination Destroy = Anderson = true ending. I've never unlocked suicide since I don't play online. Don't agree that you need Shep to continue. Every dragon age had a different lead we moved on. You'd have to make one of them canon but that's it. A Mass Effect 4, playing a character getting through boot would be fine if written well, heck a ME Noir, you play a private detective in Omega after the reaper war is over would work. Just have a good story and good writing and its probably going to sell. We can roll with new characters, I think the setting is a big selling point though. I'd be fine with a MEA2 as well, or MEA Noir or whatever, just have good characters, dialogue, story and im in and I think most bioware fans would be as well. And this is what I absolutely hate about Dragon Age. More and more with every next game. DAI is probably the very last DA I accepted the change because I fell in love with the main character (seriously, it's my fav part of the game and very fav lead, I simply can't imagine next game without her/him). I'm not really excited about DA4 because I already know I won't be able to kick Solas's butt by playing as my absolutely beloved Inky. So if I had to see MET in our galaxy and not be able to play as Shep... that's a big no-no from me
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 24, 2018 23:58:31 GMT
Don't agree that you need Shep to continue. Every dragon age had a different lead we moved on. You'd have to make one of them canon but that's it. A Mass Effect 4, playing a character getting through boot would be fine if written well, heck a ME Noir, you play a private detective in Omega after the reaper war is over would work. Just have a good story and good writing and its probably going to sell. We can roll with new characters, I think the setting is a big selling point though. I'd be fine with a MEA2 as well, or MEA Noir or whatever, just have good characters, dialogue, story and im in and I think most bioware fans would be as well. And this is what I absolutely hate about Dragon Age. More and more with every next game. DAI is probably the very last DA I accepted the change because I fell in love with the main character (seriously, it's my fav part of the game and very fav lead, I simply can't imagine next game without her/him). I'm not really excited about DA4 because I already know I won't be able to kick Solas's butt by playing as my absolutely beloved Inky. So if I had to see MET in our galaxy and not be able to play as Shep... that's a big no-no from me I'm hoping for DA4 they skip that rule of theirs and have us continue as the Inquisitor. Not forever, just to finish this story with Solas.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 25, 2018 0:02:13 GMT
Don't agree that you need Shep to continue. Every dragon age had a different lead we moved on. You'd have to make one of them canon but that's it. A Mass Effect 4, playing a character getting through boot would be fine if written well, heck a ME Noir, you play a private detective in Omega after the reaper war is over would work. Just have a good story and good writing and its probably going to sell. We can roll with new characters, I think the setting is a big selling point though. I'd be fine with a MEA2 as well, or MEA Noir or whatever, just have good characters, dialogue, story and im in and I think most bioware fans would be as well. That's the problem with you people and BioWare too, they are made by the same company but the concepts are different (aka for example the protagonist thing and funny enough the Dragon Age one protagonist per game will backfire eventually), except for the storytelling part, and you just fail to see the differences. One part of the problems started when they started to mix the two philosophies. And if the Shep story hadn't wrapped up in a trilogy I'd agree. That story is done, when you start a completely new story you can move on. Its no longer is a different concept. Complete story done. Entirely new story begins. In dragon age its every game which I was not a huge fan of, in mass effect at the end of the OG trilogy which i think is fitting. He literally saves the galaxy, where do you go from there story wise for the character. Its not like the Shep team was a serialized adventure. I'd be down with a serialized style for ME whatevers next though.
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Post by warden on Feb 25, 2018 0:06:23 GMT
That's the problem with you people and BioWare too, they are made by the same company but the concepts are different (aka for example the protagonist thing and funny enough the Dragon Age one protagonist per game will backfire eventually), except for the storytelling part, and you just fail to see the differences. One part of the problems started when they started to mix the two philosophies. And if the Shep story hadn't wrapped up in a trilogy I'd agree. That story is done, when you start a completely new story you can move on. Its no longer is a different concept. Complete story done. Entirely new story begins. In dragon age its every game which I was not a huge fan of, in mass effect at the end of the OG trilogy which i think is fitting. He literally saves the galaxy, where do you go from there story wise for the character. Its not like the Shep team was a serialized adventure. I'd be down with a serialized style for ME whatevers next though. When I quoted you I never meant that Shep should still be the protagonist though. I was just showcasing some problems that people and BioWare have.
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Post by izut on Feb 25, 2018 0:09:30 GMT
That's the problem with you people and BioWare too, they are made by the same company but the concepts are different (aka for example the protagonist thing and funny enough the Dragon Age one protagonist per game will backfire eventually), except for the storytelling part, and you just fail to see the differences. One part of the problems started when they started to mix the two philosophies. And if the Shep story hadn't wrapped up in a trilogy I'd agree. That story is done, when you start a completely new story you can move on. Its no longer is a different concept. Complete story done. Entirely new story begins. In dragon age its every game which I was not a huge fan of, in mass effect at the end of the OG trilogy which i think is fitting. He literally saves the galaxy, where do you go from there story wise for the character. Its not like the Shep team was a serialized adventure. I'd be down with a serialized style for ME whatevers next though. There're still some open windows for new storyline for Shep since she/he may know the potential enemy the best. Galaxy is weak now, after war. We haven't seen what Shep is doing afterwards so I can't say her/his story is done.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 25, 2018 0:51:57 GMT
And this is what I absolutely hate about Dragon Age. More and more with every next game. DAI is probably the very last DA I accepted the change because I fell in love with the main character (seriously, it's my fav part of the game and very fav lead, I simply can't imagine next game without her/him). I'm not really excited about DA4 because I already know I won't be able to kick Solas's butt by playing as my absolutely beloved Inky. So if I had to see MET in our galaxy and not be able to play as Shep... that's a big no-no from me I'm hoping for DA4 they skip that rule of theirs and have us continue as the Inquisitor. Not forever, just to finish this story with Solas. How is Old One Arm gonna fight Solas? Unless DA4 becomes a RTS.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 25, 2018 1:06:11 GMT
There're still some open windows for new storyline for Shep since she/he may know the potential enemy the best. Galaxy is weak now, after war. We haven't seen what Shep is doing afterwards so I can't say her/his story is done. I believe there could be one more story for the Commander. As I said in my post, the one that I linked in a reply to your post, the game would center around making sure there's no longer a reaper threat even after they're destroyed.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 25, 2018 1:37:08 GMT
Well I have an mass effect game idea that a New PC founds what happen to Shepard, T.I.M and Anderson then watches them die due to the machination of Henry Lawson(or someone unexpected). Then watches the New Big Bad rules the galaxy. Of course I would have a much bigger role of Harbringer and Sovereign with a Potential 3rd Reaper Leader.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Feb 25, 2018 2:46:17 GMT
For those discussing a sequel after ME3, remember there are a lot of big things to address other than the final choice. Most notably, the fate of the krogan, rachni, geth, and quarians. I'd much rather it continue in Andromeda than them tear apart the Shepard Trilogy to make a ME4 in the Milky Way work. There is potential in Andromeda. Plus I like Ryder over Shepard anyway(though if/when we get a new PC I'm hoping we get race options). Pick a canon ending, and you can pick some canon consequences too. I think the best decision is the one that involves the least amount of named characters dying. Therefore: Genophage cured, Rachni spared, and Quarians and Geth put aside their differences. Post-Destroy, the Geth can be rebuilt. The Quarians trying to redevelop the Geth "the right way" can be part of their redemption arc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 4:56:04 GMT
For those discussing a sequel after ME3, remember there are a lot of big things to address other than the final choice. Most notably, the fate of the krogan, rachni, geth, and quarians. I'd much rather it continue in Andromeda than them tear apart the Shepard Trilogy to make a ME4 in the Milky Way work. There is potential in Andromeda. Plus I like Ryder over Shepard anyway(though if/when we get a new PC I'm hoping we get race options). The Extended Cut essentially addresses your first paragraph. Although judging from what I've read others say, they expected it to happen in a fourth game, even though Bioware had only planned for three games. Agree with your second paragraph. I enjoyed Andromeda, Ryder, and the overall game. Except for a few technical issues, which were resolved for me with mods.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2018 19:32:52 GMT
I'm hoping for DA4 they skip that rule of theirs and have us continue as the Inquisitor. Not forever, just to finish this story with Solas. How is Old One Arm gonna fight Solas? Unless DA4 becomes a RTS. Prosthetic limb. Bioware has already played with the idea of having those in Thedas. Even explains the Inquisitor dropping back to Level 1: have to learn everything again.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 26, 2018 1:28:32 GMT
How is Old One Arm gonna fight Solas? Unless DA4 becomes a RTS. Prosthetic limb. Bioware has already played with the idea of having those in Thedas. Even explains the Inquisitor dropping back to Level 1: have to learn everything again. Great, save for it won't be so helpful in combat. Immobile limbs in combat are not helpful. Just ask the Kingslayer.
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Post by Steelcan on Feb 26, 2018 2:09:27 GMT
Prosthetic limb. Bioware has already played with the idea of having those in Thedas. Even explains the Inquisitor dropping back to Level 1: have to learn everything again. Great, save for it won't be so helpful in combat. Immobile limbs in combat are not helpful. Just ask the Kingslayer. nothing stopping him from strapping a shield to it (I don't want the Inquisitor back, but "they can't fight well anymore" isn't a reason I'm on board with)
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 26, 2018 2:13:59 GMT
Great, save for it won't be so helpful in combat. Immobile limbs in combat are not helpful. Just ask the Kingslayer. nothing stopping him from strapping a shield to it (I don't want the Inquisitor back, but "they can't fight well anymore" isn't a reason I'm on board with) Even though said arm was once sword arm.
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Post by Steelcan on Feb 26, 2018 2:17:01 GMT
nothing stopping him from strapping a shield to it (I don't want the Inquisitor back, but "they can't fight well anymore" isn't a reason I'm on board with) Even though said arm was once sword arm. its possible to re-tool your dominant hand, Jaime just doesn't have time to do so really. More-so in the show than the books admittedly.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 26, 2018 2:24:21 GMT
Even though said arm was once sword arm. its possible to re-tool your dominant hand, Jaime just doesn't have time to do so really. More-so in the show than the books admittedly. True, but it takes years to relearn the skills. More so if it's a two handed weapon. Hence why giving giving the Inquisitor a replacement limb and just sending them into battle is a very bad idea.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 26, 2018 3:54:33 GMT
Prosthetic limb. Bioware has already played with the idea of having those in Thedas. Even explains the Inquisitor dropping back to Level 1: have to learn everything again. Great, save for it won't be so helpful in combat. Immobile limbs in combat are not helpful. Just ask the Kingslayer. We have people in our own history who have used prosthetic limbs in combat among other things like riding or writing in medieval times, for example Gotz of the Iron Hand, and that was without having the engineering prowess of dwarves, qunari, and of course magic.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 26, 2018 4:06:25 GMT
Great, save for it won't be so helpful in combat. Immobile limbs in combat are not helpful. Just ask the Kingslayer. We have people in our own history who have used prosthetic limbs in combat among other things like riding or writing in medieval times, for example Gotz of the Iron Hand, and that was without having the engineering prowess of dwarves, qunari, and of course magic. As I said above, it would take years to relearn those skills. Time, which is not on the Inquisitor's side. So it's better to have a replacement for the Inquisitor.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 26, 2018 4:09:44 GMT
We have people in our own history who have used prosthetic limbs in combat among other things like riding or writing in medieval times, for example Gotz of the Iron Hand, and that was without having the engineering prowess of dwarves, qunari, and of course magic. As I said above, it would take years to relearn those skills. Time, which is not on the Inquisitor's side. So it's better to have a replacement for the Inquisitor. We don't know how long the time skip between DAI and DA4 will be. It could very well be a few years. After all that is what Bioware has done with every Dragon Age game so far, other than the introduction of DA2. And as I said above, it would explain why someone skilled like the Inquisitor is back at Level 1, since they are still learning how to fight with the new arm. I see no good reason to have a new protagonist over the Inquisitor in this story. However, this isn't a Dragon Age thread and I didn't intend for my post to become a discussion so probably best we drop it.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 26, 2018 4:36:38 GMT
As I said above, it would take years to relearn those skills. Time, which is not on the Inquisitor's side. So it's better to have a replacement for the Inquisitor. We don't know how long the time skip between DAI and DA4 will be. It could very well be a few years. After all that is what Bioware has done with every Dragon Age game so far, other than the introduction of DA2. And as I said above, it would explain why someone skilled like the Inquisitor is back at Level 1, since they are still learning how to fight with the new arm. I see no good reason to have a new protagonist over the Inquisitor in this story. However, this isn't a Dragon Age thread and I didn't intend for my post to become a discussion so probably best we drop it. Agreed. However, I'll only add this: this is Bioware we are talking about, so chances are that they will just add a new guy to DA4. As for a next ME game, better to can ME before it ends up like Michael Bay's Transformers movies. (many won't like what I said but that's my 2 cents. Take it for what you will).
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