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Post by Sartoz on Jun 18, 2019 10:39:21 GMT
When a pub insists on launching a game "not yet ready for prime time", negative criticism is to be expected. Closing such criticism but allowing only positive, gushing ones smells fishy. I leave it at that.
Toxicity was the excuse Bio used to shut down their BSN and migrated to REDDIT because of its wider audience. Turns out it can be a two edged sword.
Well, we'll see if this works out for Anthem.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 18, 2019 11:36:37 GMT
When a pub insists on launching a game "not yet ready for prime time", negative criticism is to be expected. Closing such criticism but allowing only positive, gushing ones smells fishy. I leave it at that.
Toxicity was the excuse Bio used to shut down their BSN and migrated to REDDIT because of its wider audience. Turns out it can be a two edged sword.
Well, we'll see if this works out for Anthem.
I’m not sure what aimless criticism is. Just a general “Anthem sucks?” So criticism like the game lacks meaningful content and loot is perfectly fine?
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Post by PillarBiter on Jun 18, 2019 12:57:42 GMT
So will they all come here now? I hope not. The skepticism is rightly highly cultured, ove rhere, wouldn't want to upset that balance Also, on reddit, what do they expect? Talking about level design?
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 18, 2019 13:03:40 GMT
So will they all come here now? I hope not. The skepticism is rightly highly cultured, ove rhere, wouldn't want to upset that balance Yes, it aged quite well. I'd say it has reached the highly-sought "told-you-so" quality in many cases.
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Post by tatann on Jun 18, 2019 14:21:30 GMT
I hope not. The skepticism is rightly highly cultured, ove rhere, wouldn't want to upset that balance Yes, it aged quite well. I'd say it has reached the highly-sought "told-you-so" quality in many cases. Yes, but with the reserve and finesse one can expect from the "Skeptic Gentlemen"
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 18, 2019 15:02:03 GMT
I hope not. The skepticism is rightly highly cultured, ove rhere, wouldn't want to upset that balance Yes, it aged quite well. I'd say it has reached the highly-sought "told-you-so" quality in many cases.
LOL, I've been trying to avoid saying that.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 18, 2019 15:15:56 GMT
I hope not. The skepticism is rightly highly cultured, ove rhere, wouldn't want to upset that balance Yes, it aged quite well. I'd say it has reached the highly-sought "told-you-so" quality in many cases. Heck, I predicted an Anthem-like game in Bioware's future way back when MP was first announced for ME3. But I've restrained myself from saying "I told you so" too much because Sofa might finally ban me
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Post by goishen on Jun 18, 2019 19:19:33 GMT
And BioWare closed down their own boards in favor of Reddit? Yeah, that worked out well. How's it going over on Twi... Ohhhh. Ouch. Yah.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 18, 2019 19:35:20 GMT
And BioWare closed down their own boards in favor of Reddit? Yeah, that worked out well. How's it going over on Twi... Ohhhh. Ouch. Yah. Bioware: We love interacting with our community Bioware's community: What are you talking about? You never talk to us
Bioware: Not you, EA's gamechangers
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Post by tatann on Jun 18, 2019 20:59:03 GMT
And BioWare closed down their own boards in favor of Reddit? Yeah, that worked out well. How's it going over on Twi... Ohhhh. Ouch. Yah. Bioware: We love interacting with our community Bioware's community: What are you talking about? You never talk to us
Bioware: Not you, EA's gamechangers
Game changers could be a very big portion of the remaining player base so...
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Post by akots on Jun 20, 2019 8:27:00 GMT
How can EA/Bio re-energize the player base? It is not that complicated IMHO. They have to produce approximately 10x more content, polished story, better sound and visuals, fix all bugs and create smooth and attractive overall experience. Game mechanics is overall not too bad, copy paste of Andromeda but it is more or less serviceable to an extent. At least, if it worked, I can imaging myself spending 60 dollars and a couple of hundred hours. Andromeda was boring not because of combat mechanics but due to multiple other things. The implementation in the case of Anthem, however, severely suffers. It is not a PR issue, it is not an attitude issue, it is not an issue that can be worked out by simply talking and making poses. It is simply a bad, poorly designed game, as I said, nothing complicated.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jun 20, 2019 20:06:19 GMT
Bioware: We love interacting with our community Bioware's community: What are you talking about? You never talk to us
Bioware: Not you, EA's gamechangers
Game changers could be a very big portion of the remaining player base so... You probably aren't wrong which is the sad bit...
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 20, 2019 20:34:13 GMT
"We're going to have our core BioWare audience that's been with us for a really long time. There are kids today who are 12 years old who weren't around when BioWare started making games… and they have different expectations of what a BioWare game should be in the context of the world they've grown up in," Wilson said.
The audience has changed, and EA's studios, including BioWare, need to change with it.
I'm packing my bags and leaving. Thanks for being sincere, Andrew.
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Post by river82 on Jun 20, 2019 23:07:11 GMT
“We brought together these two groups of players who were making this emotional value calculation on two different vectors,” Wilson explained. “One was traditional BioWare story driven content, and the other was this action-adventure type content. About the 30 or 40 hour mark they really had to come together and start working in on the elder game. At that point everyone kind of went, ‘Oh, hang a minute.’ Now the calculation is off. It's off because I've got a friend who sits in this other category of player. They want to play the game a certain way. I want to play the game a certain way. The promise was we can play together, and that's not working very well.Triple A gaming in a nutshell. He also said "making fun is hard" which is the most hilarious statement I've seen this week. Making fun is incredibly easy, kids do it all the time with a fucking tennis ball and a patch of cement. No making fun isn't hard, making fun extremely profitable using nothing other than metrics and data to appeal to 20 million people in a way that gets them to spend every waking moment and every chunk of their weekly paycheck on your patch of fun ... is hard. gamedaily.biz/article/969/exclusive-a-candid-conversation-with-eas-andrew-wilson-at-e3-2019
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Post by cribbian on Jun 21, 2019 12:39:21 GMT
I wonder when they'll add some surprise mechanics
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 21, 2019 12:47:49 GMT
I wonder when they'll add some surprise mechanics Once they have successfully culled their target customer group and have the required amount of 12 year olds.
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Post by goishen on Jun 21, 2019 13:55:47 GMT
“We brought together these two groups of players who were making this emotional value calculation on two different vectors,” Wilson explained. “One was traditional BioWare story driven content, and the other was this action-adventure type content. About the 30 or 40 hour mark they really had to come together and start working in on the elder game. At that point everyone kind of went, ‘Oh, hang a minute.’ Now the calculation is off. It's off because I've got a friend who sits in this other category of player. They want to play the game a certain way. I want to play the game a certain way. The promise was we can play together, and that's not working very well.Triple A gaming in a nutshell. He also said "making fun is hard" which is the most hilarious statement I've seen this week. Making fun is incredibly easy, kids do it all the time with a fucking tennis ball and a patch of cement. No making fun isn't hard, making fun extremely profitable using nothing other than metrics and data to appeal to 20 million people in a way that gets them to spend every waking moment and every chunk of their weekly paycheck on your patch of fun ... is hard. gamedaily.biz/article/969/exclusive-a-candid-conversation-with-eas-andrew-wilson-at-e3-2019 Right. You've gotta be brain dead to think that making fun is hard. Make a game that you find fun to play. At worst, a percentage of your office hates it. Depending on how high that percentage is, depends on if you make the game. Of course, this leads to interoffice politics and "If you say you like the game, you're fired." But I thought that BioWare was past all of that bullshit, especially seeing as they are all SJW propagandists. Huh, guess even they can be corrupted by a little power.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 21, 2019 14:10:50 GMT
“BioWare has to test the elasticity of that brand."
Not a pleasant article to read, and what a horrid turn of phrase.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 21, 2019 14:26:42 GMT
“BioWare has to test the elasticity of that brand." Not a pleasant article to read, and what a horrid turn of phrase. Since elasticity has such a negative connotation for you, I suggest we call it something else. Let's call it twisty bendy or better yet surprise twist
There, isn't that better? So nice to know EA's department of legal and government affairs has your back.
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Post by clips7 on Jun 21, 2019 17:38:13 GMT
"We're going to have our core BioWare audience that's been with us for a really long time. There are kids today who are 12 years old who weren't around when BioWare started making games… and they have different expectations of what a BioWare game should be in the context of the world they've grown up in," Wilson said. "As a result of that, BioWare has to evolve and has to expand and has to test the elasticity of that brand
Hmmm….kinda explains the juvenile writing we saw in Andromeda.....lol last I checked 12 year olds are not the customers that are sustaining your business. This statement feels like they are taking their core base for granted. "Yeah we know the core base ain't going anywhere, but lets focus on this younger group of players that can't pay for s**t unless their parents pay for it"..... ….Corporate suit logic at it's best....and yes I understand the need to adapt, but you also need to understand your audience, if you know you're going to get a certain number of sales for a particular franchise like ME based on the demographics, then that ME game needs to be a mature, interesting and compelling experience. Everybody keeps saying "uh look at what happened with Destiny, The Division".....as if Anthem is going to evolve into something special like those games did....it's quite possible that Bioware is just out of their element when it comes to creating this type of game and it looks like Anthem is not going to recover in the way that those game did....and that is ok...Bioware just needs to stay in their lane and create good, solid, SP content.... Give us a gritty, mature ME game with some great writing and leave the "Dora the explorer" writing in the trash...don't worry about adding BI, Trans, minority characters as if you are checking off a bucket list etc.....just make a good game with solid characters and an interesting story....statements like the one above just have me seeing some corporate guys in suits, rubbing their chin trying to figure out how to garner sales from the younger generation, when that generation they are focusing on are barely out of diapers yet....
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Post by Iakus on Jun 21, 2019 18:51:55 GMT
"We're going to have our core BioWare audience that's been with us for a really long time. There are kids today who are 12 years old who weren't around when BioWare started making games… and they have different expectations of what a BioWare game should be in the context of the world they've grown up in," Wilson said.
The audience has changed, and EA's studios, including BioWare, need to change with it.
I'm packing my bags and leaving. Thanks for being sincere, Andrew.
Indeed. It's cr*p thinking like this that's pushing away the core Bioware audience and causing the studio to do into a death spiral. Hell, this very forum is dying. I wonder why...
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Post by ayenari on Jun 21, 2019 20:11:00 GMT
I don't think a lot of what EA considers to be Bioware's "Core Audience" are going to stick around for very long if they stop making single player rpgs with a focus on story and player agency in narrative.
It isn't the times that have changed in regards to viability of single player rpgs when games such as Witcher 3 manages to sell over 20 million copies in the last few years, it's Bioware that have started making bad games.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 21, 2019 20:13:19 GMT
I don't think a lot of what EA considers to be Bioware's "Core Audience" are going to stick around for very long if they stop making single player rpgs with a focus on story and player agency in narrative. It isn't the times that have changed in regards to viability of single player rpgs when games such as Witcher 3 manages to sell over 20 million copies in the last few years, it's Bioware that have started making bad games. Yeah they started trying to expand their audience, which is perfectly reasonable, but seem to have chosen crap ways of doing so.
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