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Post by Lazarillo on Jun 23, 2019 14:46:28 GMT
Literally everyone wants to be a part of CDPR right now. It's amazing that in all this people seem to have forgotten their response to being outed for life-crushing "crunch" development (even before other studios were) was along the lines of "our work culture isn't for everyone."
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Post by OdanUrr on Jun 23, 2019 15:05:06 GMT
Literally everyone wants to be a part of CDPR right now. It's amazing that in all this people seem to have forgotten their response to being outed for life-crushing "crunch" development (even before other studios were) was along the lines of "our work culture isn't for everyone." If you put out great games, you seem to get a free pass on that. Same thing happened with Rockstar.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jun 23, 2019 15:11:37 GMT
Literally everyone wants to be a part of CDPR right now. It's amazing that in all this people seem to have forgotten their response to being outed for life-crushing "crunch" development (even before other studios were) was along the lines of "our work culture isn't for everyone." If people who go to work there know in advance that that is the work culture, and still go to work there, i have no sympathy. If they love their work despite the crunch, i have sympathy, but they love it, so it’s probably lost on them.
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Post by 10k on Jun 23, 2019 16:42:24 GMT
It's amazing that in all this people seem to have forgotten their response to being outed for life-crushing "crunch" development (even before other studios were) was along the lines of "our work culture isn't for everyone." If people who go to work there know in advance that that is the work culture, and still go to work there, i have no sympathy. If they love their work despite the crunch, i have sympathy, but they love it, so it’s probably lost on them. THANK YOU! People just forget about this most important point right here. Many industries have "crunch" or "mandatory overtime" it's not just a game developing thing. This is just how it work sometimes. 100hrs/week is nothing compared to what some of my co-workers do plus we have a more labor intensive work environment than just sitting on our butts in front of a computer, and get paid less. If they don't like it, they have the choice to not work there. It's simple as that.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jun 23, 2019 17:11:43 GMT
If you put out great games, you seem to get a free pass on that. Same thing happened with Rockstar. I've seen Rockstar start to get a little bit of (well-deserved) grief for that, but it's true that people seem to forget very easily when they're distracted by the shiny. If people who go to work there know in advance that that is the work culture, and still go to work there, i have no sympathy. If they love their work despite the crunch, i have sympathy, but they love it, so it’s probably lost on them. Eh, people suffering Stockholm Syndrome love being hostages, too, as it were. Similarly when people are abused by a partner. Sometimes people just have trouble with the notion that they are in those sorts of bad situations. It doesn't mean the one creating the situation should be tolerated.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jun 23, 2019 18:05:15 GMT
Shit. If the crunch allowed CDPR and Rockstar to consecutively churn out great games then Bio should follow suit.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 23, 2019 18:13:12 GMT
Shit. If the crunch allowed CDPR and Rockstar to consecutively churn out great games then Bio should follow suit. They did. Didn't work out so well.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jun 23, 2019 18:22:49 GMT
Shit. If the crunch allowed CDPR and Rockstar to consecutively churn out great games then Bio should follow suit. They did. Didn't work out so well. I swear? From the management at the top all the way to the interns at bottom, BioWare needs a purging.
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Post by tatann on Jun 23, 2019 21:53:31 GMT
They did. Didn't work out so well. I swear? From the management at the top all the way to the interns at bottom, BioWare needs a purging. They're not the same people who made the great Bioware games, they simply shouldn't be allowed to use that name They should fuse it with EA, something like "BeAware (we're not the same anymore)"
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 24, 2019 7:33:34 GMT
You can't take core audience for granted. For one it's not homogenous group. Those who were convinced customers of past quality are just as likely to wander away as some 12 year old having trouble to follow the story when the quality goes down. And fans are only a small subset of players.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 24, 2019 8:26:11 GMT
Their core audience is rapidly jumping ship anyway. So why would EA care about them? Have been for 2-3 years now. Barely anyone from the old BSN still around and those that are are playing CDPR and Larian games, myself included, and happy that way. This forum is starting to feel a bit deserted already. Nothing Bioware related to talk about anymore.
I actually think it's even almost a polite thing of EA to finally say that old Bioware is REALLY dead and that New Bioware has become part of their glorious casino games scheme directed at children. What a bright future for Bioware! We all already knew but kind of nice to finally get official confirmation that Bioware is EA's bitch body and soul now, walk away NOW if you haven't already or stop crying over spilled milk and take your surprise mechanics in the ass and feel good about it.
Those who STILL have hope for Bioware after THAT official statement are completely delusional as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 24, 2019 11:56:52 GMT
Their core audience is rapidly jumping ship anyway. So why would EA care about them? Have been for 2-3 years now. I have to say that Bioware has done wonders in driving its fans and the general audience away from their games by making a series of mediocre to barely passable releases. I used to be part of a different community and even with DA:I, I saw the part of the community that was very involved in discussion prior to it, with speculation, lore and character discussions drop off entirely within the year of DA:I's release, then the same thing happened with ME:A, where a little over a year after Andromeda the ME community, that had survived 5 years without a game, mind you, died as well. It all resurrected briefly with Anthem, but after a month or two, a new record, the Anthem community died completely off, as well. The thing is, none of these games spurred conversation for these franchises. The characters weren't engaging enough, the settings weren't interesting enough and the premises weren't intriguing enough to maintain the fanbase. There is a surprising drop off in fanbase engagement from these franchises and their new IP even has failed, in so far, to bring in new players and greater numbers that are invested in further Bioware releases. So, if you can't keep your core fanbase, can't substitute it for a different one, can't attract people to at least make up your loses, let alone grow in a very competitive gaming industry, that seems to have left you lightyears behind, what do you plan to do, as Bioware/EA? With games like FFVII Remake, Cyberpunk, Death Stranding, The Last Of Us 2 etc. looming on the horizon that are going to reshape the gaming landscape, with expectations regarding RPG elements, story telling and character interactions being raised tremendously? Who is going to get excited to meet Bioware's next batch of Whedon rejects?
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 24, 2019 12:28:09 GMT
Well, they're glad to be rid of the toxifans. I think they never learned to deal properly with their community. And EA dont give no fucks neither. If the gamechanger generate clicks they think they have it covered.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 24, 2019 12:51:54 GMT
Well, they're glad to be rid of the toxifans If you take a look at /r/anthemthegame, you'll see non-Bioware fans that are ignored and unsatisfied can be just as toxic as dedicated Bioware fans, when ignored and unsatisfied. So the only common thing I can see is Bioware ignoring and keeping customers unsatisfied, which I don't think is what they were going for, when they closed up the BSN, but got it regardless.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 24, 2019 12:56:58 GMT
Well, they're glad to be rid of the toxifans If you take a look at /r/anthemthegame, you'll see non-Bioware fans that are ignored and unsatisfied can be just as toxic as dedicated Bioware fans, when ignored and unsatisfied. So the only common thing I can see is Bioware ignoring and keeping customers unsatisfied, which I don't think is what they were going for, when they closed up the BSN, but got it regardless. Yep, they wouldn't even know what happened to their core audience. They created a bit of a safe space with their "community" management. I think there is a bit of delusion also going on.
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Post by 10k on Jun 24, 2019 14:15:23 GMT
Well I guess when this forum is deserted for good, I'll go hang in CDPR forums more often. Though I hope the mods here do something to breathe some life back into this place. I don't think relying on BW games will do it.
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Post by force58 on Jun 24, 2019 15:56:17 GMT
Did you all see this article about an interview EA CEO Andrew Wilson had on the state of Anthem? The man is completely delusional as far as I can tell, blaming the players for not understanding "what Anthem was" at launch. If this guy has any influence over what BioWare is, or is going to do, the game is doomed. He says there's still 7-10 years left in the IP. I hope that's the case but the skeptic in me wonders if it can be pulled off, especially after seeing the reveal of Cataclysm. games.mxdwn.com/news/andrew-wilson-addresses-eas-stumbles-the-issues-with-anthem-more-in-new-interview/
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Post by vorchainteriordesign on Jun 24, 2019 16:45:50 GMT
Well I guess when this forum is deserted for good, I'll go hang in CDPR forums more often. Though I hope the mods here do something to breathe some life back into this place. I don't think relying on BW games will do it. GAAAAH! MODS NEED TO BAN THEMSELVES, ONLY REGACK IS WORTHY. THEN UNBAN ALL THE OLD MEMBERS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION BANNED BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE BIOWAREMOD01 OR STANLEY WOO. THEN, ALL BANNED MODS ARE WELCOMED BACK AS REGULAR USERS... OVER TIME, THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS PROVEN TO BE UNWORTHY OF ADMINISTRATING, BUT HAS SOME VALUE IN POSTS AND OCCASIONAL HUMOR. ONCE CYONAN LEFT, IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT BIOWARE MADE; THIS FORUM WAS DOOMED. ALSO, IT'S DEAD JIM.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 24, 2019 17:25:53 GMT
Did you all see this article about an interview EA CEO Andrew Wilson had on the state of Anthem? The man is completely delusional as far as I can tell, blaming the players for not understanding "what Anthem was" at launch. If this guy has any influence over what BioWare is, or is going to do, the game is doomed. He says there's still 7-10 years left in the IP. I hope that's the case but the skeptic in me wonders if it can be pulled off, especially after seeing the reveal of Cataclysm. games.mxdwn.com/news/andrew-wilson-addresses-eas-stumbles-the-issues-with-anthem-more-in-new-interview/WE DONT WANT INTERACTION AT THE CORE OF PLAYING GAMES, WE WANT ESCAPISM YOU R-TARD. Yeah really.
“The way we built games 20 years ago actually doesn’t fulfill what has become a very core motivation of why people play today,”
BS. MMO's have been around for decades. There has always been social interaction for those that wanted it. And other titles that were stand alone story driven RPG's and other types o f single player content did just fine for those that wanted that. He just wants to enforce the style of gaming that will make them the most money.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jun 24, 2019 17:33:56 GMT
Their core audience is rapidly jumping ship anyway. So why would EA care about them? Have been for 2-3 years now. I have to say that Bioware has done wonders in driving its fans and the general audience away from their games by making a series of mediocre to barely passable releases. I used to be part of a different community and even with DA:I, I saw the part of the community that was very involved in discussion prior to it, with speculation, lore and character discussions drop off entirely within the year of DA:I's release, then the same thing happened with ME:A, where a little over a year after Andromeda the ME community, that had survived 5 years without a game, mind you, died as well. It all resurrected briefly with Anthem, but after a month or two, a new record, the Anthem community died completely off, as well. The thing is, none of these games spurred conversation for these franchises. The characters weren't engaging enough, the settings weren't interesting enough and the premises weren't intriguing enough to maintain the fanbase. There is a surprising drop off in fanbase engagement from these franchises and their new IP even has failed, in so far, to bring in new players and greater numbers that are invested in further Bioware releases. So, if you can't keep your core fanbase, can't substitute it for a different one, can't attract people to at least make up your loses, let alone grow in a very competitive gaming industry, that seems to have left you lightyears behind, what do you plan to do, as Bioware/EA? With games like FFVII Remake, Cyberpunk, Death Stranding, The Last Of Us 2 etc. looming on the horizon that are going to reshape the gaming landscape, with expectations regarding RPG elements, story telling and character interactions being raised tremendously? Who is going to get excited to meet Bioware's next batch of Whedon rejects? You have no idea how much I and my friends were talking about ME2's Cerberus and TIM's genius and how much potential ME3 has back in 2010-12 (also about Templars vs Mages topics in DA), but Bioware even ruined it with making them stupid villains (yet to be proven a viable option at the end, an oxymoron). It really made several of my very philosophically-politically interesting and engaging people leave. The next chapter was with closing off of some forums (including off-topics) back in post-DAI 2015, another group of my friends left. And here we go again with mediocre Andromeda and dead Anthem... DAI had almost the same effect on the Dragon Age franchise as ME3 on Mass Effect. I never played Andromeda tbh.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 24, 2019 17:46:17 GMT
You have no idea how much I and my friends were talking about ME2's Cerberus and TIM's genius and how much potential ME3 has back in 2010-12 (also about Templars vs Mages topics in DA), but Bioware even ruined it with making them stupid villains (yet to be proven a viable option at the end, an oxymoron). It really made several of my very philosophically-politically interesting and engaging people leave. The next chapter was with closing off of some forums (including off-topics) back in post-DAI 2015, another group of my friends left. And here we go again with mediocre Andromeda and dead Anthem... DAI had almost the same effect on the Dragon Age franchise as ME3 on Mass Effect. I never played Andromeda tbh. Do you think that Bioware is losing more traction by not tackling the things that the now gone fanbase wanted, or that having tackled those would have been more damaging, in your opinion?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jun 24, 2019 17:54:41 GMT
So, in the end Bioware failed to capitalize on the looter shooter market with their "Premium AAA title" and also failed to please their own fanbase and the ones they hoped to attract (I'm sure there are quite a few loyalists there that still say they're playing Anthem cause Bioware made a stellar game and it's not dead.)
What a complete disaster all around.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jun 24, 2019 18:27:08 GMT
Anthem does seem to currently be in the final portion of the death spiral irregardless of what EA is stating publicly to save face.
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Post by Camel on Jun 24, 2019 18:44:08 GMT
Did you all see this article about an interview EA CEO Andrew Wilson had on the state of Anthem? The man is completely delusional as far as I can tell, blaming the players for not understanding "what Anthem was" at launch. If this guy has any influence over what BioWare is, or is going to do, the game is doomed. He says there's still 7-10 years left in the IP. I hope that's the case but the skeptic in me wonders if it can be pulled off, especially after seeing the reveal of Cataclysm. games.mxdwn.com/news/andrew-wilson-addresses-eas-stumbles-the-issues-with-anthem-more-in-new-interview/WE DONT WANT INTERACTION AT THE CORE OF PLAYING GAMES, WE WANT ESCAPISM YOU R-TARD. Pretty much. Bioware and EA managed to disappoint old fans with their looter/shooter garbage and with a horribly developed game overall while also they didn't attract young fans who are busy playing Fortnite or Dota or Overwatch or whatever, I'm too old for this shit.
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