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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 5, 2018 17:21:58 GMT
Meh, I've "retired" from Final Fantasy. I've long since moved on to Falcom's Legend of Heroes games and various indie JRPGs like Cosmic Star Heroine, Skyborn and Echoes of Aetheria.
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Post by warden on Apr 16, 2018 12:55:48 GMT
When Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn (a MMORPG) feels more like a Final Fantasy than a "main" Final Fantasy (RPG), then you know something is not right.
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Post by CitizenChris on Apr 16, 2018 13:22:39 GMT
OP, JRPGs don't end or begin with Square Enix or frickin Final Fantasy. There are a lot of great titles coming from both Atlus and Level-5 lately. Particularly Atlus that adheres to old school traditional turn based combat and dungeon crawling with their Shin Megami Tensei, Persona and Etrian Odyssey games. Character and story are heavily emphasized in Persona, Atlus is where it is at, not to mention the astyle and quality they put into their games art design as opposed to just pumping up the graphics like Sega has been doing recently with their Yakuza games, meh.
You also got the upcoming Valkyria Chronicles 4, a series with great strategical turn based combat. I feel Japanese games are going incredibly strong recently compared to the likes of western RPGs. Another example is the Trails in the Sky games, which can all be found on Steam and Gog now. Check them out if you want some good games with great world building and old school combat.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 16, 2018 14:27:54 GMT
So I haven't really played Final Fantasy since X, and thought he series peaked with VI. Are any of the later ones worth playing? I've had XIII in my Steam library for a while, but haven't gotten around to playing it.
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Post by xochipilli on Apr 23, 2018 1:38:54 GMT
I've come to realize that the combat choice in games doesn't matter much to me for the most part, so I'm impartial when it comes to the turn-based/action war in every FF thread on the internet. I can enjoy most combat paradigms, although mistakes in execution will affect my enjoyment. For instance, party systems (especially real time ones) should have an option to set up detailed tactics, even if many players will never use them, and even more essential, provide the player with the ability to issue commands about everything that matters mid-combat. Because of the annoying omission of this in DA:I and FFXV I ding the combat in both of those games in my estimation.
The story and characters are what matter to me much more, because most games get these wrong despite offering satisfactory combat. I think there's a third element that goes along with these and structures both of them, which is the game's ethos. A lot of games are guided by an ethos that is pretty narrow and status quo, not just in terms of the tropes, frames, narrative structure and the like employed, but also in terms of gender roles and relations; portrayal of sexuality; treatment of class, inequality and other social issues; and the nature of morality and good and evil. Very rarely do mainstream games do anything innovative in terms of characters or story, and almost never in terms of ethos. Instead of feeling moved by the experience of video games as I did the first time I played DA:O, e.g., I almost invariably roll my eyes throughout the main story of pretty much every game I play these days. Oh look, all of the world's problems are attributable to this one evil dude we can swing a sword at to kill and then solve them. Oh look, a chaste damsel devoid of agency or independent personality to be the motive love interest I don't give a shit about. Oh look, the forced melodrama of someone I was never given the chance to get to know or care about sacrificing themselves for me, for which I must feel something despite this being one of the most predictable cliches and stale turning points in any game main story.
Also, I don't see what pretty graphics, DLC content or merchandise have to do with any of this. They all vary independently from combat and story/characters/ethos as far as I can tell. Give me a narrative that isn't riddled with ineptitude, cliches and an unreflexive conservative worldview. Merch all you like after that.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Apr 23, 2018 14:47:08 GMT
My JRPG-crazed whatsapp group is still loving Ni No Kuni 2. I think their general recommendation is still FF15, Persona 5 and Nier Automata.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 21:50:22 GMT
I've played old and new, from FFIII to FFXV. I prefer the active system far more but I think FFXII struck a nice balance. However what appealed to me about FFXV were the aesthetics and lore. Even though FFXV botched a lot of things that had higher potential from VXIII and lacks a lot of screentime for characters who are supposed to be important, I still love it and enjoy it. I'd like to see Square either do a hybrid or have the option for old school and action style gameplay. Having said all that, I do not like the direction they're going with the dlc crap. Give the world a full, fleshed out game and maybe an expansion with significant content a few months or a year down the line. The only service game ought to provide is fanservice.
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Post by kraidy on Apr 27, 2018 16:52:18 GMT
Eh, FF floundering doesn't harm JRPGs in my books since we still have companies like Falcom (who is very tiny) and Atlus churning out good games on a regular basis. Maybe it just doesn't bug me since I wrote off SE after 13 and they have yet to prove my doubt wrong. If you can have a company like Falcom get out of their dork age (their vita games between Celceta to TX) with Ys 8 and sen 3, there should not really be a reason why a bigger company with far more resources should not be able too. Yet they can't because at the end of the day it comes down to talent. Majority of the people with that are either gone, in roles they really can't show it anymore or stuck cleaning the washrooms of SE offices.
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