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Post by DomeWing333 on Apr 29, 2019 22:05:57 GMT
As I understand it, this isn't a version of time travel where you can go back and change things to affect the present. Anything you do would have always been done in your current reality. And any deviations that you try to force would just make that reality branch off and leave yours the same.
That's why they couldn't just go back in time and strangled baby Thanos. It would have led to a reality in which Thanos never grew up into the terror that he became, but that wouldn't get rid of their version of Thanos. Their reality would still be the same. That doesn't make sense though. If going back and changing the past would have no impact on the present then why bother even returning the Infinity Stones & and Thor's hammer in the first place? Time is apparently okay with past Gamora being here, despite her being sacrificed for the Soul Stone; and the heroes specifically being unable to bring back Black Widow for the same reason. It's also perfectly fine with present Nebula killing her past self so why would it matter if the items taken from the past weren't returned?
Come to think of it, the whole time travel thing seems rather weak from a narrative standpoint; the rules changing to suit the plot. Captain America can go back and meddle with the past by living out his life until the present day, applying the butterfly effects his presence would have, and yet still exists in the 'prime' timeline as an old man. But Loki escaping the end of Avengers 1 via the tesseract doesn't seem to have any impact on the 'prime' timeline's sequence of events at all.
Because they didn't want to fuck over those other realities. If they hadn't returned the stones and hammer, it would have resulted in realities in which Thor didn't have his hammer during Thor 2 or The Ancient One wasn't in possession of the Time Stone. And those realities would probably suck. Whereas a reality going down one Thanos, one Gamora, and one Nebula would probably be better off overall.
The "prime" reality version of Gamora that we know is still dead. What they essentially did was steal another timeline's Gamora. They could conceivably do the same with Black Widow, but that wouldn't really "save" Black Widow and, again, might fuck over another timeline.
Captain America going back and living his life didn't cause any sort butterfly effect. He had apparently always existed in the prime reality as both Captain America and Steve Rogers.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Apr 29, 2019 22:17:12 GMT
That doesn't make sense though. If going back and changing the past would have no impact on the present then why bother even returning the Infinity Stones & and Thor's hammer in the first place? Time is apparently okay with past Gamora being here, despite her being sacrificed for the Soul Stone; and the heroes specifically being unable to bring back Black Widow for the same reason. It's also perfectly fine with present Nebula killing her past self so why would it matter if the items taken from the past weren't returned?
Come to think of it, the whole time travel thing seems rather weak from a narrative standpoint; the rules changing to suit the plot. Captain America can go back and meddle with the past by living out his life until the present day, applying the butterfly effects his presence would have, and yet still exists in the 'prime' timeline as an old man. But Loki escaping the end of Avengers 1 via the tesseract doesn't seem to have any impact on the 'prime' timeline's sequence of events at all.
Because they didn't want to fuck over those other realities. If they hadn't returned the stones and hammer, it would have resulted in realities in which Thor didn't have his hammer during Thor 2 or The Ancient One wasn't in possession of the Time Stone. And those realities would probably suck. Whereas a reality going down one Thanos, one Gamora, and one Nebula would probably be better off overall.
The "prime" reality version of Gamora that we know is still dead. What they essentially did was steal another timeline's Gamora. They could conceivably do the same with Black Widow, but that wouldn't really "save" Black Widow and, again, might fuck over another timeline.
Captain America going back and living his life didn't cause any sort butterfly effect. He had apparently always existed in the prime reality as both Captain America and Steve Rogers. It's honestly a lot easier to understand if you ignore the conventional ideas of time travel from things like Back to the Future, the Terminator, or hell, even Days of Future Past.
Surprisingly, I noticed that the rules of time travel in this movie is actually nearly the same as in Agents of SHIELD, in which Fitz constantly says that the future is always fixed and you can't directly change it.
With Loki escaping in alternate 2012, I doubt that's going to lead to much in the main MCU since Marvel Prime will still have Loki imprisoned and sent to Asgard. Unless Loki somehow finds a way to travel to alternate timelines.
I personally theorize that Black Widow may have been resurrected when Steve Rogers returned the Soul Stone, since while it's not explicitly said, I assume the soul for a soul rule applies to returning the stone.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 29, 2019 23:12:07 GMT
I personally theorize that Black Widow may have been resurrected when Steve Rogers returned the Soul Stone, since while it's not explicitly said, I assume the soul for a soul rule applies to returning the stone.
Red Skull: At last, after decades on this hellhole, I am free of my service to the Soul Stone! I can travel the galaxy, remake Hydra! I can..."
*Steve appears and returns the Soul Stone*
Red Skull: "Sh*t"
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 29, 2019 23:20:30 GMT
I personally theorize that Black Widow may have been resurrected when Steve Rogers returned the Soul Stone, since while it's not explicitly said, I assume the soul for a soul rule applies to returning the stone.
Red Skull: At last, after decades on this hellhole, I am free of my service to the Soul Stone! I can travel the galaxy, remake Hydra! I can..."
*Steve appears and returns the Soul Stone*
Red Skull: "Sh*t" The fact that of any person in the universe it is Steve Rogers returning the stone makes it so much better.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Apr 29, 2019 23:22:35 GMT
Red Skull: At last, after decades on this hellhole, I am free of my service to the Soul Stone! I can travel the galaxy, remake Hydra! I can..."
*Steve appears and returns the Soul Stone*
Red Skull: "Sh*t" Also this awkward scene: Jane Foster: Jesus Christ, what the hell?! That talking raccoon came out of nowhere and just stabbed me! Well at least I don't have to deal with that red goo in me anymore. Steve Rogers:
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I am in so much pain right now but I made it without a bathroom break.
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Post by Obadiah on Apr 30, 2019 1:38:23 GMT
I am in so much pain right now but I made it without a bathroom break. Do it for science!
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Post by Obadiah on Apr 30, 2019 1:40:14 GMT
As I understand it, this isn't a version of time travel where you can go back and change things to affect the present. Anything you do would have always been done in your current reality. And any deviations that you try to force would just make that reality branch off and leave yours the same.
That's why they couldn't just go back in time and strangled baby Thanos. It would have led to a reality in which Thanos never grew up into the terror that he became, but that wouldn't get rid of their version of Thanos. Their reality would still be the same. That doesn't make sense though. If going back and changing the past would have no impact on the present then why bother even returning the Infinity Stones & and Thor's hammer in the first place? Time is apparently okay with past Gamora being here, despite her being sacrificed for the Soul Stone; and the heroes specifically being unable to bring back Black Widow for the same reason. It's also perfectly fine with present Nebula killing her past self so why would it matter if the items taken from the past weren't returned?
Come to think of it, the whole time travel thing seems rather weak from a narrative standpoint; the rules changing to suit the plot. Captain America can go back and meddle with the past by living out his life until the present day, applying the butterfly effects his presence would have, and yet still exists in the 'prime' timeline as an old man. But Loki escaping the end of Avengers 1 via the tesseract doesn't seem to have any impact on the 'prime' timeline's sequence of events at all.
It doesn't make complete sense even with the in-movie explanation Even with new timelines created that don't affect the main timeline, that conflicts with Steve just ending up sitting on the bench at the end. In fact, that whole idea of Steve staying in the past with the missed opportunity of his love interest smacks of some crap that a supervillain would usually use to tempt the hero into forsaking his responsibilities. And Steve retiring to some unspecified point between 40s and 00s, these are not calm times. The Cold War, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1, 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq 2, several stock market crashes. I mean Steve is that guy who can't (and doesn't want to) turn away when he sees a situation going sideways.
Anyway, still glad Steve got to retire.
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 30, 2019 1:40:20 GMT
I am in so much pain right now but I made it without a bathroom break. You're crazy. I'm bringing an adult diaper with me for when i watch Endgame on Wednesday.
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Post by Vortex13 on Apr 30, 2019 1:50:38 GMT
That doesn't make sense though. If going back and changing the past would have no impact on the present then why bother even returning the Infinity Stones & and Thor's hammer in the first place? Time is apparently okay with past Gamora being here, despite her being sacrificed for the Soul Stone; and the heroes specifically being unable to bring back Black Widow for the same reason. It's also perfectly fine with present Nebula killing her past self so why would it matter if the items taken from the past weren't returned?
Come to think of it, the whole time travel thing seems rather weak from a narrative standpoint; the rules changing to suit the plot. Captain America can go back and meddle with the past by living out his life until the present day, applying the butterfly effects his presence would have, and yet still exists in the 'prime' timeline as an old man. But Loki escaping the end of Avengers 1 via the tesseract doesn't seem to have any impact on the 'prime' timeline's sequence of events at all.
Look up Multiverse Theory. That will explain everything. The Multiverse Theory is something totally different from straight up time travel, if that's what they were actually doing then the plot should have explained that better.
At any rate, they still are going to have to come up with a compelling reason why the heroes don't just use time travel/parallel universes all the time now. "What's that Spiderman, Mysterio's causing you trouble? Well then, why don't we just go into the past and pull twenty or thirty past versions of yourself into the present to kick the crap out of him before sending everyone back home." [\spoiler]
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 30, 2019 2:39:37 GMT
Look up Multiverse Theory. That will explain everything. The Multiverse Theory is something totally different from straight up time travel, if that's what they were actually doing then the plot should have explained that better.
At any rate, they still are going to have to come up with a compelling reason why the heroes don't just use time travel/parallel universes all the time now. "What's that Spiderman, Mysterio's causing you trouble? Well then, why don't we just go into the past and pull twenty or thirty past versions of yourself into the present to kick the crap out of him before sending everyone back home." [\spoiler]
Well, there are only three people in the group that knows anything about how to do it. And of those three, one is dead and the other two were both lectured from the same person about 'hey don't do that'. So after Cap's trip, they may just destroy the research or not use it because its too dangerous. It took the death of half the universe for them to even consider doing it.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 30, 2019 4:56:27 GMT
So Time Travel in Endgame (since its a hot topic right now): So to start because I want everything all nice and defined here what we are talking about. But in essense typically as far as I know both IRL and in fiction there are basically three types of time travel:
Type A: One fixed timeline. Everything that has ever happened will ever happen and cannot be changed. So if you time travel you were always going to time travel and that has always been part of the timeline.
Type B: One mutable timeline. Everything can be changed or at least mostly be changed but some things are fixed and some things are in flux but it is still one timeline, if you make changes to it it effects YOUR timeline.
Type C: Multi verse time travel theory. Basically if you time travel and change something it CREATES A BRAND NEW TIMELINE/ UNIVERSE where your timeline is still the one you live with but then the other timeline, the one with the changes, is a brand new timeline that goes off in its own seperate from your 'original' timeline. But the 'original' one still exists. This is the time travel used during Dragon Ball Z and the time travel that gave us the Kelvin Timeline over in the reboot for Star Trek. Or, for example, it could have been possible to have one timeline with Thanos snapping and then one seperate one where he didn't.
Now the Endgame movie seems to use a unique mix of type A and type C time travel. They bring up type C time travel at least twice in the movie, first when 'Professor Hulk' mentions that if they go back in time and try to change things it won't work because you can't change the future that has already happened, you'd just go back to your own original timeline. And also more specifically when the Ancient One makes it quite clear if they remove the Infinity Stones from casual events it will CREATE a brand new timeline which will likely be worse because that timeline will not have their most powerful weapons for self defense.
Now that the confusing shit is out of the way (I hope) most of the rest of this is type A timetravel. Esentially everything that has happened in this movie was supposed to happen always happened and was always going to happen. Note they didn't really change history or mess with time too much their goal from the beginning was to bring the stones forward, fix everything, and then put them back to make sure casuality remains the same. Its one continious timelime.
The only two real outstanding niggles is what happened with Loki...which could be just setting up their what if stories, just fan service, or setting up a future movie (Marvel has to do their world building after all)...
And what perhaps more importantly what happened to Gamora considering she was removed from her timeline and really wasn't put back (also couldn't have been put back because of the changes in her knowledge base)...but yeah its clear that she is still running around and that Guardians 3 will likely be having to as a significant subplot fifty first dates between Quill and Gamora...which I am looking forward but the more I think about it the more I realized they probably cheated in that instance.
As for them doing it again they were very smart with this. At least in the short term they had only a finite amount of 'Pym Particles' and everything else so they did what Inquisition did and created a set of circumstances which makes them time traveling unique. They shouldn't be able to do it again but then of course Hank Pym is back so I suppose its posssiiiibbbllllllleee....but lets just assume this was a one off thing they could do for Endgame and never again.
*sniff* Poor Black Widow.
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Post by House Targaryen on Apr 30, 2019 5:13:58 GMT
I hate time travel. Causes too many paradoxes and headaches even thinking about it.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 30, 2019 5:16:39 GMT
I hate time travel. Causes too many paradoxes and headaches even thinking about it. Speaking of Janeway...
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Post by Garo on Apr 30, 2019 11:45:07 GMT
I loved it Endgame reminded me a lot of the Citadel DLC in terms of fanservice levels. Some might dislike it but I think they earned it. It was a pure joy to witness great payoff after all of those movies.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Apr 30, 2019 14:10:14 GMT
So Time Travel in Endgame (since its a hot topic right now): So to start because I want everything all nice and defined here what we are talking about. But in essense typically as far as I know both IRL and in fiction there are basically three types of time travel:
Type A: One fixed timeline. Everything that has ever happened will ever happen and cannot be changed. So if you time travel you were always going to time travel and that has always been part of the timeline.
Type B: One mutable timeline. Everything can be changed or at least mostly be changed but some things are fixed and some things are in flux but it is still one timeline, if you make changes to it it effects YOUR timeline.
Type C: Multi verse time travel theory. Basically if you time travel and change something it CREATES A BRAND NEW TIMELINE/ UNIVERSE where your timeline is still the one you live with but then the other timeline, the one with the changes, is a brand new timeline that goes off in its own seperate from your 'original' timeline. But the 'original' one still exists. This is the time travel used during Dragon Ball Z and the time travel that gave us the Kelvin Timeline over in the reboot for Star Trek. Or, for example, it could have been possible to have one timeline with Thanos snapping and then one seperate one where he didn't.
Now the Endgame movie seems to use a unique mix of type A and type C time travel. They bring up type C time travel at least twice in the movie, first when 'Professor Hulk' mentions that if they go back in time and try to change things it won't work because you can't change the future that has already happened, you'd just go back to your own original timeline. And also more specifically when the Ancient One makes it quite clear if they remove the Infinity Stones from casual events it will CREATE a brand new timeline which will likely be worse because that timeline will not have their most powerful weapons for self defense.
Now that the confusing shit is out of the way (I hope) most of the rest of this is type A timetravel. Esentially everything that has happened in this movie was supposed to happen always happened and was always going to happen. Note they didn't really change history or mess with time too much their goal from the beginning was to bring the stones forward, fix everything, and then put them back to make sure casuality remains the same. Its one continious timelime.
The only two real outstanding niggles is what happened with Loki...which could be just setting up their what if stories, just fan service, or setting up a future movie (Marvel has to do their world building after all)...
And what perhaps more importantly what happened to Gamora considering she was removed from her timeline and really wasn't put back (also couldn't have been put back because of the changes in her knowledge base)...but yeah its clear that she is still running around and that Guardians 3 will likely be having to as a significant subplot fifty first dates between Quill and Gamora...which I am looking forward but the more I think about it the more I realized they probably cheated in that instance.
As for them doing it again they were very smart with this. At least in the short term they had only a finite amount of 'Pym Particles' and everything else so they did what Inquisition did and created a set of circumstances which makes them time traveling unique. They shouldn't be able to do it again but then of course Hank Pym is back so I suppose its posssiiiibbbllllllleee....but lets just assume this was a one off thing they could do for Endgame and never again.
*sniff* Poor Black Widow. Well for starters, the machine they made to help with time travel got destroyed by Thanos' ship along with all the research since Avengers HQ goes bye-bye.
As for your confusion over possible Type A time travel implied in this movie, I personally think that every time they time travel and interact with the past, they pretty much automatically create branching automatic timelines, and I think based on what they explained, the more severe the change the bigger the branch. When Thanos and Gamora left 2014, this created a branching alternate 2014 where Thanos and Gamora disappeared and don't go after the Infinity Stones. Steve Rogers grew old having lived his life with Peggy, but because he was in the "Prime" timeline it's assumed that he has always been in the real timeline as Steve Rogers growing old while Captain America was with the Avengers.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 30, 2019 15:17:43 GMT
I hate time travel. Causes too many paradoxes and headaches even thinking about it.
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Post by Obadiah on Apr 30, 2019 15:28:15 GMT
The plot of Avengers is that Loki has to use the Tesseract to open a portal to Chitauri space so they can invade Earth. What the hell did they need that portal for if Thanos' ships in Infinity War could just use regular space travel to jump in?
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Apr 30, 2019 15:44:48 GMT
The plot of Avengers is that Loki has to use the Tesseract to open a portal to Chitauri space so they can invade Earth. What the hell did they need that portal for if Thanos' ships in Infinity War could just use regular space travel to jump in? Best guess? Thanos wanted others to do his dirty work to retrieve the Infinity Stones, and since Loki wanted to be a king, Thanos thought it would be somewhat practical to get his hands on two stones at once in exchange for letting Loki use them to conquer Earth. It wasn't until I'm assuming the failure of Ronin that Thanos finally says "Fine, I'll do it myself."
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Post by Obadiah on Apr 30, 2019 17:12:49 GMT
The plot of Avengers is that Loki has to use the Tesseract to open a portal to Chitauri space so they can invade Earth. What the hell did they need that portal for if Thanos' ships in Infinity War could just use regular space travel to jump in? Best guess? Thanos wanted others to do his dirty work to retrieve the Infinity Stones, and since Loki wanted to be a king, Thanos thought it would be somewhat practical to get his hands on two stones at once in exchange for letting Loki use them to conquer Earth. It wasn't until I'm assuming the failure of Ronin that Thanos finally says "Fine, I'll do it myself." Yeah, the "Do it myself" scene is at the end of Age of Ultron, but you never know when exactly these extra scenes take place.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Apr 30, 2019 17:48:03 GMT
Apparently, one of the Russo brothers did a Q&A about Endgame's plot. Among some things he clarified was this:
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Post by Vortex13 on Apr 30, 2019 18:20:34 GMT
On one of my afternoon walks today I was pondering Endgame and the ramifications of its conclusion. (Possibly too hard) Regardless, I am thinking that the whole issue with time travel is only a small portion of potential problems happening to the MCU now. Though, if I'm honest, this will likely be ignored or swept under the rug (if the state of the world in Spiderman: Far From Home's trailer is anything to go by). If this dilemma is approached in a serious light however it could make for some compelling story lines. The sudden reappearance of half of the universe's population is going to cause some serious upheavals for the half that was still here for five years. Not saying that the heroes' desired goal in Endgame was a bad thing but you have to consider the consequences of bringing everyone back like they did. As far as those snapped back into existence are concerned, no time has passed, and if we're assuming that they aren't being brought back into the exact space they were taken from (i.e. in the middle of the air on a plane that's no longer there) they are going to be noticeably confused. More than the initial confusion though there is going to be a major problem with people coming to grips with having lost five years. Parents/Children who remained behind will have aged (Ant Man's daughter for example) and will have spent the past half a decade coming to terms with their loved ones disappearance.
Again, this isn't a bad thing that happened in the story, but you also have to realize that half of the universe has been basically dealing with survivor's guilt for the past five years and now suddenly the missing half of the population is back and they are going to be operating on the initial assumption that everything will still be the same as when they left. Families and relationships are going to struggle to come to terms with what's happened, and what about those people who moved on in the intervening years? What will their significant others' think then they come back to reality to find that their spouses have moved on and started new relationships?
Going a step beyond that, what about the redistribution of property and resources that will have occurred? People or organizations will have likely taken possession of abandoned land 'post snap', tried to make due with what was left, but now suddenly those people who owned said property and/or resources are back. One could say that the people who originally owed it should be given back what they once had, but five years have gone by. What if there's a new family living in your house? Do they have to give up what they otherwise rightfully acquired because the former owner is magically back from the dead? What about politicians and other government leaders? Are currently serving heads of state just going to step down because their "un-snapped" counterparts are back and expecting to have their positions again? What about countries who've acquired land or rulership over other countries during those chaotic five years? Are the people of Latveria going to recognize the sovereignty of neighboring states that absorbed them after the snap, or are those countries supposed to give up territory otherwise rightfully acquired? Going beyond that, what about the rest of the alien species in the MCU? If you take the problems bound to happen on Earth because of this and amplify it to a galactic, or universal, level you are going to be potentially looking at serious social/political upheaval that could very well lead to infighting and/or interstellar wars.
And that's not even counting the nightmare that will occur if Thanos had also taken out half of all the animal life in the universe as well. The sudden reappearance of ecosystems that may no longer exist after five years is bound to cause major issues for the environment and society in general.
Prime material for several movies no doubt, but I'm dubious if Marvel will actually explore that. From the looks of things during the conclusion of Endgame, and going off the Spiderman trailer, everyone is apparently totally fine with the turn of events and life appears to have magically gone back to normal in the span of a few days if not hours.
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Post by mybudgee on Apr 30, 2019 18:39:03 GMT
Anyone care to speculate as to the plot/surprises we have coming in this flick? After the culmination of phase 3 this is sure to have some twists
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Apr 30, 2019 19:10:26 GMT
Anyone care to speculate as to the plot/surprises we have coming in this flick? After the culmination of phase 3 this is sure to have some twists It's been confirmed that technically Far From Home is technically going to end Phase 3, similar to Ant-Man with Phase 2. This movie is also designed to take place after Endgame, so here are my theories on what might be happening in this movie: Following the large scale battle that ended with Tony Stark's death, Peter might end up struggling with some form of PTSD (I mean, geeh wiz! Spidey did NOT look like he was having a great time during that battle!) He might also be dealing with some form of guilt or grief with the loss of Tony Stark, which may also tie in with his grief of Uncle Ben.
Because of this, he wants to put being Spider-man behind him, limiting him to public appearances or just casual hanging around. This changes when Nick Fury approaches him for help investigating the rise of the Elementals, where he partners up with Mysterio, at least, before Mysterio takes things too far and ends up becoming the villain.
My guess is, Nick Fury wants to make a new group of Avengers and he has Spider-man as a candidate. I think by the end, in sort of a reflection to how Homecoming ends with Peter accepting he should stick close to home until he gets better, this will have Peter manning up and accepting the larger responsibility for the world, regardless of his fears.
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