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Post by Obadiah on May 4, 2019 15:42:05 GMT
So, I got another gripe with the plot of End Game, probably from overthinking it (or just "thinking" about it), which doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the film. Time travel as End Game uses it appears to be creating infinite alternate timelines, since every time the Avengers travelled into the past they created an alternate timeline where the Avengers of that alternate timeline are heading to future where they travel into the past and create yet another alternate timeline. It's a loop, or maybe a coil. Each alternate timeline doesn't affect the main timeline, but the alternate timeline will have its own Avengers that travel into the past and create ANOTHER alternate timeline.
The most basic example of this is Clint's first test time travel into the past where he picked up the baseball glove. Now there is an alternate timeline where Clint's family does not have the glove, and everything else is the same. This alternate timeline is almost certainly heading to the Thanos snap, the events of Infinity War and End Game, which includes the Avengers time travelling into the past and creating alternate timelines.
For this to not happen, each one of the alternate timelines created in End Game would have to be adjusted so that Thanos doesn't do the snap, and the Avengers of that alternate timeline don't time travel to undo the snap. These are the alternate timelines that I am aware of: ~2017: Clint baseball glove alternate timeline 2014: Guardians of the Galaxy timeline - Thanos removed so no snap in this timeline 2013: Thor Dark World timeline - Frigga knows of the future because of conversation with Thor 2012: Alternate Avengers timeline - The Ancient One knows of the future because of conversation with Bruce 1970s: Tony meets dad timeline 1950s(?): Steve hooks up with Peggy timeline
2014 - This timeline will not be part of the loop, since this alternate Thanos was defeated when he travelled to the main timeline's 2023 2013, 2012, and 1950s - These alternate timelines have individuals aware of what happened in Infinity War, so they may stop Thanos from completing the gauntlet - MAYBE. 2017 and 1970s - These alternate timeline are barely changed and appear to be headed to the same events of End Game's time travel plot.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 4, 2019 15:48:17 GMT
So, I got another gripe with the plot of End Game, probably from overthinking it (or just "thinking" about it), which doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the film. Time travel as End Game uses it appears to be creating infinite alternate timelines, since every time the Avengers travelled into the past they created an alternate timeline where the Avengers of that alternate timeline are heading to future where they travel into the past and create yet another alternate timeline. It's a loop, or maybe a coil. Each alternate timeline doesn't affect the main timeline, but the alternate timeline will have its own Avengers that travel into the past and create ANOTHER alternate timeline.
The most basic example of this is Clint's first test time travel into the past where he picked up the baseball glove. Now there is an alternate timeline where Clint's family does not have the glove, and everything else is the same. This alternate timeline is almost certainly heading to the Thanos snap, the events of Infinity War and End Game, which includes the Avengers time travelling into the past and creating alternate timelines.
For this to not happen, each one of the alternate timelines created in End Game would have to be adjusted so that Thanos doesn't do the snap, and the Avengers of that alternate timeline don't time travel to undo the snap. These are the alternate timelines that I am aware of: ~2017: Clint baseball glove alternate timeline 2014: Guardians of the Galaxy timeline - Thanos removed so no snap in this timeline 2013: Thor Dark World timeline - Frigga knows of the future because of conversation with Thor 2012: Alternate Avengers timeline - The Ancient One knows of the future because of conversation with Bruce 1970s: Tony meets dad timeline 1950s(?): Steve hooks up with Peggy timeline
2014 - This timeline will not be part of the loop, since this alternate Thanos was defeated when he travelled to the main timeline's 2023 2013, 2012, and 1950s - These alternate timelines have individuals aware of what happened in Infinity War, so they may stop Thanos from completing the gauntlet - MAYBE. 2017 and 1970s - These alternate timeline are barely changed and appear to be headed to the same events of End Game's time travel plot.
Meh, to be honest all those could just be part of one alternate timeline since they never conflict with each other.
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Post by Obadiah on May 4, 2019 16:56:55 GMT
Has it been confirmed that Thor washed his prosthetic eye since Infinity War?
Otherwise, implications unpleasant...
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 5, 2019 0:30:07 GMT
Whelp! There goes the neighbourhood... Feel sorry for the people who are hanging around for the next chapter of the MCU.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on May 5, 2019 1:09:53 GMT
Has it been confirmed that Thor washed his prosthetic eye since Infinity War? I mean, does it seem like Thor has washed anything since Infinity War?
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Post by Heimdall on May 5, 2019 2:30:27 GMT
I just got out of Endgame, I had a thought about the future of the MCU: Does anyone else think Disney has made a bit of a Superman problem for themselves with Captain Marvel? I mean she’s so powerful it’s hard to contrive circumstances to make challenges for her, as has perpetually plagued attempts to write good Superman stories.
I mean, the power gap between her and the other characters is a bit absurd, she pretty much solo-ed Thanos and was winning before he punched her with an Infinity Stone, he’s one of the most powerful beings the Marvel Universe has to offer.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 5, 2019 2:37:35 GMT
I just got out of Endgame, I had a thought about the future of the MCU: Does anyone else think Disney has made a bit of a Superman problem for themselves with Captain Marvel? I mean she’s so powerful it’s hard to contrive circumstances to make challenges for her, as has perpetually plagued attempts to write good Superman stories.
I mean, the power gap between her and the other characters is a bit absurd, she pretty much solo-ed Thanos and was winning before he punched her with an Infinity Stone, he’s one of the most powerful beings the Marvel Universe has to offer. In short, yes. Unless she is going to run up against an Eternal, Celestial or Galactus.
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Post by mybudgee on May 5, 2019 2:39:35 GMT
So, I got another gripe with the plot of End Game, probably from overthinking it (or just "thinking" about it), which doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the film. Time travel as End Game uses it appears to be creating infinite alternate timelines, since every time the Avengers travelled into the past they created an alternate timeline where the Avengers of that alternate timeline are heading to future where they travel into the past and create yet another alternate timeline. It's a loop, or maybe a coil. Each alternate timeline doesn't affect the main timeline, but the alternate timeline will have its own Avengers that travel into the past and create ANOTHER alternate timeline.
The most basic example of this is Clint's first test time travel into the past where he picked up the baseball glove. Now there is an alternate timeline where Clint's family does not have the glove, and everything else is the same. This alternate timeline is almost certainly heading to the Thanos snap, the events of Infinity War and End Game, which includes the Avengers time travelling into the past and creating alternate timelines.
For this to not happen, each one of the alternate timelines created in End Game would have to be adjusted so that Thanos doesn't do the snap, and the Avengers of that alternate timeline don't time travel to undo the snap. These are the alternate timelines that I am aware of: ~2017: Clint baseball glove alternate timeline 2014: Guardians of the Galaxy timeline - Thanos removed so no snap in this timeline 2013: Thor Dark World timeline - Frigga knows of the future because of conversation with Thor 2012: Alternate Avengers timeline - The Ancient One knows of the future because of conversation with Bruce 1970s: Tony meets dad timeline 1950s(?): Steve hooks up with Peggy timeline
2014 - This timeline will not be part of the loop, since this alternate Thanos was defeated when he travelled to the main timeline's 2023 2013, 2012, and 1950s - These alternate timelines have individuals aware of what happened in Infinity War, so they may stop Thanos from completing the gauntlet - MAYBE. 2017 and 1970s - These alternate timeline are barely changed and appear to be headed to the same events of End Game's time travel plot.
Meh, to be honest all those could just be part of one alternate timeline since they never conflict with each other. Yes, & they will likely be used in some offhand way in the next few movies, then disregarded.
The timeline with Tony dead, Cap 80 years old, Thor being a booze-hound & Professor Hulk having one hand is now THE timeline. Didn't anyone notice that Scott's storage unit was number 616? C'mon, man
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 5, 2019 3:31:02 GMT
I just got out of Endgame, I had a thought about the future of the MCU: Does anyone else think Disney has made a bit of a Superman problem for themselves with Captain Marvel? I mean she’s so powerful it’s hard to contrive circumstances to make challenges for her, as has perpetually plagued attempts to write good Superman stories.
I mean, the power gap between her and the other characters is a bit absurd, she pretty much solo-ed Thanos and was winning before he punched her with an Infinity Stone, he’s one of the most powerful beings the Marvel Universe has to offer. Funny thing is, in the comics, she's not even that powerful (Rouge put her in a coma and Thanos one hit KO'ed her).
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Post by mybudgee on May 5, 2019 3:40:57 GMT
I just got out of Endgame, I had a thought about the future of the MCU: Does anyone else think Disney has made a bit of a Superman problem for themselves with Captain Marvel? I mean she’s so powerful it’s hard to contrive circumstances to make challenges for her, as has perpetually plagued attempts to write good Superman stories.
I mean, the power gap between her and the other characters is a bit absurd, she pretty much solo-ed Thanos and was winning before he punched her with an Infinity Stone, he’s one of the most powerful beings the Marvel Universe has to offer. Funny thing is, in the comics, she's not even that powerful (Rouge put her in a coma and Thanos one hit KO'ed her). Despite Larson & her fucking childish shenanigans I like her as Danvers, and I like the character because unlike Jor-El she has weaknesses Question is; when will we see these in the MCU? What will be the circumstances surrounding an original & interesting Danvers story??
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Post by Obadiah on May 5, 2019 4:16:31 GMT
I just got out of Endgame, I had a thought about the future of the MCU: Does anyone else think Disney has made a bit of a Superman problem for themselves with Captain Marvel? I mean she’s so powerful it’s hard to contrive circumstances to make challenges for her, as has perpetually plagued attempts to write good Superman stories.
I mean, the power gap between her and the other characters is a bit absurd, she pretty much solo-ed Thanos and was winning before he punched her with an Infinity Stone, he’s one of the most powerful beings the Marvel Universe has to offer. In short, yes. Unless she is going to run up against an Eternal, Celestial or Galactus. I don't know much about Captain Marvel, but in the movies so far they haven't really defined her power much, so its hard to tell what her weaknesses are, and what would be a threat.
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Post by Hier0phant on May 5, 2019 4:21:58 GMT
Funny thing is, in the comics, she's not even that powerful (Rouge put her in a coma and Thanos one hit KO'ed her). Despite Larson & her fucking childish shenanigans I like her as Danvers, and I like the character because unlike Jor-El she has weaknesses Question is; when will we see these in the MCU? What will be the circumstances surrounding an original & interesting Danvers story?? If Carol wasn't in Binary Mode when she fought Thanos (2014) then it would render all street level Avengers obsolete unless their powers/strength are upgraded or overpowered characters like Blue Marvel, Monica Rambeau or America Chavez are recruited for parity. I don't know about original stories but Carol reconnecting with her family & friends, assimilating to modern earth culture, and dealing with potential cosmic level threats who have turned their attention to Earth after the events of AV:IW and AV:EG, are all i can think of.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 5, 2019 4:26:18 GMT
Funny thing is, in the comics, she's not even that powerful (Rouge put her in a coma and Thanos one hit KO'ed her). Despite Larson & her fucking childish shenanigans I like her as Danvers, and I like the character because unlike Jor-El she has weaknesses Question is; when will we see these in the MCU? What will be the circumstances surrounding an original & interesting Danvers story?? To the questions: Hardly and not likely.
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Post by Hier0phant on May 5, 2019 4:47:22 GMT
Strength/power wise... Carol's above all currently known incarnations of MCU Hulk, is almost equal to Thanos who baby shaked the Hulk, and pre Stormbreaker Thor. Speed is quantifiable for now but she's visually the fastest character after Quicksilver bit the bullet. Me personally unless Galactus' heralds, Gladiator, or Sentry show up there's really no credible threat to her.
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Post by Garo on May 5, 2019 14:42:13 GMT
Strength/power wise... Carol's above all currently known incarnations of MCU Hulk, is almost equal to Thanos who baby shaked the Hulk, and pre Stormbreaker Thor. Speed is quantifiable for now but she's visually the fastest character after Quicksilver bit the bullet. Me personally unless Galactus' heralds, Gladiator, or Sentry show up there's really no credible threat to her. Or they will just nerf her
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Post by decafhigh on May 5, 2019 16:06:14 GMT
Finally got the chance to see it last night and thought it was decent overall. Some parts were really good other parts overwhelmingly "meh". It could have been a lot worse and I thought they were going to totally ruin it right near the end but somehow they managed to restrain themselves and keep the focus where it should have been. I'm sure most can guess the moment I am talking about.
All in all a decent end to the MCU for me.
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Post by Obadiah on May 5, 2019 17:22:09 GMT
Strength/power wise... Carol's above all currently known incarnations of MCU Hulk, is almost equal to Thanos who baby shaked the Hulk, and pre Stormbreaker Thor. Speed is quantifiable for now but she's visually the fastest character after Quicksilver bit the bullet. Me personally unless Galactus' heralds, Gladiator, or Sentry show up there's really no credible threat to her. Or they will just nerf her She's been active for 20+ years. By far I find her the most intriguing character in the MCU (who, as I said earlier I know very little about) just because of the span of her travels. Seems if she was invincible, she'd be a lot more famous, and would have shown up during the original GoG movie with Ronan on the loose, or possibly Ragnorak with Hella re-awakened, or, hell, over the whole Infinity Stone saga since the manipulation of the stones threatened "creation". The simplest mechanism to make Capt. Marvel vulnerable would be to make her powers require a recharge, similar to Anthem's flight mechanic.
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Post by mybudgee on May 5, 2019 18:25:07 GMT
Or they will just nerf her The simplest mechanism to make Capt. Marvel vulnerable would be to make her powers require a recharge, similar to Anthem's flight mechanic. Anthem?! GTFO
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Post by Iakus on May 5, 2019 18:39:15 GMT
I just got out of Endgame, I had a thought about the future of the MCU: Does anyone else think Disney has made a bit of a Superman problem for themselves with Captain Marvel? I mean she’s so powerful it’s hard to contrive circumstances to make challenges for her, as has perpetually plagued attempts to write good Superman stories.
I mean, the power gap between her and the other characters is a bit absurd, she pretty much solo-ed Thanos and was winning before he punched her with an Infinity Stone, he’s one of the most powerful beings the Marvel Universe has to offer. That scrap should have been THanos vs Hulk Round 2.
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Post by House Targaryen on May 5, 2019 20:24:17 GMT
I just got out of Endgame, I had a thought about the future of the MCU: Does anyone else think Disney has made a bit of a Superman problem for themselves with Captain Marvel? I mean she’s so powerful it’s hard to contrive circumstances to make challenges for her, as has perpetually plagued attempts to write good Superman stories.
I mean, the power gap between her and the other characters is a bit absurd, she pretty much solo-ed Thanos and was winning before he punched her with an Infinity Stone, he’s one of the most powerful beings the Marvel Universe has to offer. Reminds me on how Star Trek made the Borg too powerful. Then the writers had to think of ways to dumb them down.
Danvers shouldn't be that powerful any way. She's bordering on godlike powers.
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Post by colfoley on May 5, 2019 20:25:27 GMT
I just got out of Endgame, I had a thought about the future of the MCU: Does anyone else think Disney has made a bit of a Superman problem for themselves with Captain Marvel? I mean she’s so powerful it’s hard to contrive circumstances to make challenges for her, as has perpetually plagued attempts to write good Superman stories.
I mean, the power gap between her and the other characters is a bit absurd, she pretty much solo-ed Thanos and was winning before he punched her with an Infinity Stone, he’s one of the most powerful beings the Marvel Universe has to offer. Reminds me on how Star Trek made the Borg too powerful. Then the writers had to think of ways to dumb them down.
Danvers shouldn't be that powerful any way. She's bordering on godlike powers.
the MCU has actual gods in it.
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Post by House Targaryen on May 5, 2019 20:28:38 GMT
Just saw Avengers a second time. Captain America did what I would have done in the end.
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Post by Hier0phant on May 6, 2019 3:12:21 GMT
Strength/power wise... Carol's above all currently known incarnations of MCU Hulk, is almost equal to Thanos who baby shaked the Hulk, and pre Stormbreaker Thor. Speed is quantifiable for now but she's visually the fastest character after Quicksilver bit the bullet. Me personally unless Galactus' heralds, Gladiator, or Sentry show up there's really no credible threat to her. Or they will just nerf her But that's too easy.
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