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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 23, 2019 22:09:25 GMT
You sure about that? Everything I've read says that while he'll be in it, Portman is the star. Edit: And again, Thor is a name, not a title. It's one thing for her to be deemed "worthy" and have the power of Thor. It's another to take his name away and give it to her. Steve Rogers didn't become Thor when he wielded Mjolnir, did he? Yup. "Thor is going to be female" is about the silliest way to introduce the idea I can come up with. Especially for people ostensibly behind women earning their own rather than being dependent on men. That's not what I find weirdest about it though. I was almost named Thor. My closest childhood friend was named Thor. My first boss was named Thor. I don't believe in Norse Mythology in a literal sense any more than I do the Easter bunny, but I know people who do, including relatives, and I grew up learning those myths as well as Catholicism, and believed in Thor as much as I did Jesus as a kid. For a foreign company to take those stories - which are very dear to people here even if few actually believe in them as adults - and rearrange them into this crazy brand as if they don't actually mean anything, and then further rearrange that brand specifically to spite the previous iteration and the cultural source material, and then pretend that that means something great and inspirational... It's just a circus. Hope someone enjoys it. Here's hoping someone somewhere is in the process of writing new and actually engaging female superheroes with their own powers and backstories who aren't sidekicks from the sixties written by boys for younger boys awkwardly rehashed just to fill quotas and signal wokeness. Wouldn't that be a sight?
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Post by Vortex13 on Jul 23, 2019 23:14:51 GMT
Clearly the best way to avoid our social political BS is to focus more on the non-human side of the franchise. Give us films solely about Groot and/or Venom/Carnage (just the symbiotes). Don't have to worry about stupid identity politics rising up in movies like that when there's literally no humans in them
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Post by Iakus on Jul 24, 2019 0:18:22 GMT
Clearly the best way to avoid our social political BS is to focus more on the non-human side of the franchise. Give us films solely about Groot and/or Venom/Carnage (just the symbiotes). Don't have to worry about stupid identity politics rising up in movies like that when there's literally no humans in them
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Post by colfoley on Jul 24, 2019 4:17:57 GMT
Its probably going to be a passing of the hammer moment...if you get my meaning. Then 'thor' can go off with the Guardians...gah this is annoying/ confusing.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 24, 2019 12:27:48 GMT
Depends on how the MCU interprets Reed Richards. What about a version of Reed Richards who may have knowingly subjected them to cosmic rays with the full-intention of seeing if it gave them them powers, justifying it that if he were successful, they could then use those abilities to help humanity. How would the rest of the FF react to Reed possibly using them as human guinea pigs without their consent?
I wouldn't want this version of Reed to be evil, but more someone who's great desire for knowledge sometimes makes him slightly amoral and willing to cross certain ethical lines in his quest for answers.
Took this idea from "Fantastic Four vs X-Men", where they explored something similar to this, but unfortunately revealed at the end that the evidence implicating him was fabricated. Which IMHO is nowhere near as interesting as if they'd established a retcon that Reed had created the Fantastic Four on purpose, merely to satisfy his own curiosity.
Maybe some people wouldn't have been happy with this retcon for their origins, because it would have made Reed look too bad, but I think that it would have opened up a ton of narrative possibilities with the FF going forward, especially with how Reed could have tried to earn their forgiveness and redeem himself.
Its probably going to be a passing of the hammer moment...if you get my meaning. Then 'thor' can go off with the Guardians...gah this is annoying/ confusing. Why not have both of them go into space?
Thor with the Guardians and Jane out the airlock.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 24, 2019 14:48:52 GMT
Depends on how the MCU interprets Reed Richards. What about a version of Reed Richards who may have knowingly subjected them to cosmic rays with the full-intention of seeing if it gave them them powers, justifying it that if he were successful, they could then use those abilities to help humanity. How would the rest of the FF react to Reed possibly using them as human guinea pigs without their consent?
I wouldn't want this version of Reed to be evil, but more someone who's great desire for knowledge sometimes makes him slightly amoral and willing to cross certain ethical lines in his quest for answers. Took this idea from "Fantastic Four vs X-Men", where they explored something similar to this, but unfortunately revealed at the end that the evidence implicating him was fabricated. Which IMHO is nowhere near as interesting as if they'd established a retcon that Reed had created the Fantastic Four on purpose, merely to satisfy his own curiosity. Maybe some people wouldn't have been happy with this retcon for their origins, because it would have made Reed look too bad, but I think that it would have opened up a ton of narrative possibilities with the FF going forward, especially with how Reed could have tried to earn their forgiveness and redeem himself.
Sounds more like the Ultimate version of Reed Richards.Except he did go full-on villain, I believe.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 24, 2019 22:34:52 GMT
My primary issue though is how the nuance of the original script was removed in the final film.
Rather than trying to exploit Pandora for it's resources like in the final film, the original script had humanity travel to Pandora from a dying Earth, in the hopes of either using the alien flora/fauna to revive our own dying ecosystem, or else serve as a potential new home for humanity.
Humans were still the "bad" guys, albeit driven by desperation more than greed, along with frustration at the increasing number of animal attacks on their settlements. It was later revealed that Pandora itself was responsible for these attacks, viewing humans as a "virus" that it needed to eradicate.
The situation was far less cut-and-dry than what we ended up with in the final film.
RIP Miles Quaritch, you magnificent son of a bitch. Humanity first.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 24, 2019 22:39:27 GMT
I hope the finalized design for Taskmaster's outfit doesn't look so generic.
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Post by davesin on Jul 25, 2019 5:41:41 GMT
This is one of the villains I'm really interested in. I hope he will last for more than one movie, maybe even becoming temporary ally (since he's a mercenary and will work for almost anyone). Exploring his memory loss and how it affects his personal life might be an interesting story. Also, I hope he will perform BW's signature scissors move against her. It will probably look ridiculous... but that's precisely why I want to see it.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jul 25, 2019 12:49:31 GMT
She doesn't stand a chance against him in a straight up hand to hand fight lol Hope she'll get some allies or something. Otherwise...
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Post by Iakus on Jul 25, 2019 13:02:15 GMT
I notice he has a shield in the picture.
Any chance he's crossed paths with Cap?
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jul 25, 2019 13:27:02 GMT
The point still stands. Chris Hemsworth is still the star of the movie, and while Jane Foster will become Thor, she won't be the MAIN Thor. You sure about that? Everything I've read says that while he'll be in it, Portman is the star. Edit: And again, Thor is a name, not a title. It's one thing for her to be deemed "worthy" and have the power of Thor. It's another to take his name away and give it to her. Steve Rogers didn't become Thor when he wielded Mjolnir, did he? Two things puzzle me with this Jane Foster as Thor thing. One: Why is she called Thor? As you said Thor is a name and not a title. She should be called Thunder or Stormbringer or something like that. Two: How does Mjolnir bestow the power of Thor on people who are worthy when Thor has his own powers from birth and the hammer merely gives him some additional power like to be able to generate lightning and manipulate the weather. Why would wielding the hammer make someone as powerful as Thor himself?
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Post by Iakus on Jul 25, 2019 15:28:11 GMT
You sure about that? Everything I've read says that while he'll be in it, Portman is the star. Edit: And again, Thor is a name, not a title. It's one thing for her to be deemed "worthy" and have the power of Thor. It's another to take his name away and give it to her. Steve Rogers didn't become Thor when he wielded Mjolnir, did he? Two things puzzle me with this Jane Foster as Thor thing. One: Why is she called Thor? As you said Thor is a name and not a title. She should be called Thunder or Stormbringer or something like that. Two: How does Mjolnir bestow the power of Thor on people who are worthy when Thor has his own powers from birth and the hammer merely gives him some additional power like to be able to generate lightning and manipulate the weather. Why would wielding the hammer make someone as powerful as Thor himself? To the first question: because wokeness. Too many straight white dudes in the comics. But current writers lack the creativity to actually make new, original characters, so they appropriate already existing ones to push their agendas. To the second question. They took a page from King Arthur when creating Thor in the comics. In the original Norse mythology, Mjolnir was so heavy that not even Thor could lift it without his magic belt that doubled his strength. They changed it to "worthiness" for the comics, (like the whole Sword in the Stone "rightful King of England" thing) But in the MCU, the "worthiness" clause was an enchantment put upon Mjolnir by Odin himself. As a failsafe in case Thor never returned, and Odin needed a new successor? Ragnarok also showed us that it was really just a "magic feather", a tool used to focus his powers, and when he came into his own, he didn't need it anymore. plus, Mjolnir was destroyed. So the first question should be, where does this Mjolnir come from?
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 25, 2019 16:05:11 GMT
You sure about that? Everything I've read says that while he'll be in it, Portman is the star. Edit: And again, Thor is a name, not a title. It's one thing for her to be deemed "worthy" and have the power of Thor. It's another to take his name away and give it to her. Steve Rogers didn't become Thor when he wielded Mjolnir, did he? Two things puzzle me with this Jane Foster as Thor thing. One: Why is she called Thor? As you said Thor is a name and not a title. She should be called Thunder or Stormbringer or something like that. Two: How does Mjolnir bestow the power of Thor on people who are worthy when Thor has his own powers from birth and the hammer merely gives him some additional power like to be able to generate lightning and manipulate the weather. Why would wielding the hammer make someone as powerful as Thor himself? There was an old "What if" story where an alternate reality version of Jane discovers Mjolnir and dons the name Thordis instead of just Thor . She's called Thor because Jason Aaron and Marvel wanted to play up on the mystery of the new character who's wielding Mjolnir, and simply to make money off of Thor's brand name. Iirc the excuse that was given for copying Thor's name was that it was a title and not just a name which was dumb because it's comparable to Miles Morales going by the name Peter Parker or Amadeus Cho with Bruce Banner after gaining their powers. marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Jane_Foster_(Earth-788)Like some comic versions of Thor the "Whoever holds this hammer..." enchantment of Mjolnir by Odin (Odinforce) probably allows him to find a cheap bargain bin discount replacement for Thor if he died. MCU Thor like his pre Jason Aaron 616 incarnation still has the lightning powers, but the hammer just made it easier to channel.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 25, 2019 16:14:18 GMT
Two things puzzle me with this Jane Foster as Thor thing. One: Why is she called Thor? As you said Thor is a name and not a title. She should be called Thunder or Stormbringer or something like that. Two: How does Mjolnir bestow the power of Thor on people who are worthy when Thor has his own powers from birth and the hammer merely gives him some additional power like to be able to generate lightning and manipulate the weather. Why would wielding the hammer make someone as powerful as Thor himself? There was an old "What if" story where an alternate reality version of Jane discovers Mjolnir and dons the name Thordis instead of just Thor . She's called Thor because Jason Aaron and Marvel wanted to play up on the mystery of the new character who's wielding Mjolnir, and simply to make money off of Thor's brand name. Iirc the excuse that was given for copying Thor's name was that it was a title and not just a name which was dumb because it's comparable to Miles Morales going by the name Peter Parker or Amadeus Cho with Bruce Banner after gaining their powers. marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Jane_Foster_(Earth-788)Like some comic versions of Thor the "Whoever holds this hammer..." enchantment of Mjolnir by Odin (Odinforce) probably allows him to find a cheap bargain bin discount replacement for Thor if he died. MCU Thor like his pre Jason Aaron 616 incarnation still has the lightning powers, but the hammer just made it easier to channel. There was also a What If where Rogue absorbed Thor's powers and ends up worthy of Mjolnir.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 25, 2019 16:21:14 GMT
Steve Rogers: "Thor, please, my phone just died on me?"
Unworthy pre-Jason Aaron Thor: "It'll take a minute but say no more."
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Steve Rogers: "For all that is holy, and just in this world i have to see the rest of this Spiderman and Friends episode?"
Unworthy Jason Aaron Thor: "Stark!"
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 25, 2019 16:25:54 GMT
There was an old "What if" story where an alternate reality version of Jane discovers Mjolnir and dons the name Thordis instead of just Thor . She's called Thor because Jason Aaron and Marvel wanted to play up on the mystery of the new character who's wielding Mjolnir, and simply to make money off of Thor's brand name. Iirc the excuse that was given for copying Thor's name was that it was a title and not just a name which was dumb because it's comparable to Miles Morales going by the name Peter Parker or Amadeus Cho with Bruce Banner after gaining their powers. marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Jane_Foster_(Earth-788)Like some comic versions of Thor the "Whoever holds this hammer..." enchantment of Mjolnir by Odin (Odinforce) probably allows him to find a cheap bargain bin discount replacement for Thor if he died. MCU Thor like his pre Jason Aaron 616 incarnation still has the lightning powers, but the hammer just made it easier to channel. There was also a What If where Rogue absorbed Thor's powers and ends up worthy of Mjolnir. We get both Jane and Steve wielding Mjolnir yet there's still no Beta Ray Bill in sight except for some face sculpture cameo. Plus what makes a character worthy/unworthy of Mjolnir is too inconsistent. Marvel's editorial needs to do a better job because at this rate even a character like Bullseye will use it in the future.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 26, 2019 15:12:13 GMT
Why is she called Thor? As you said Thor is a name and not a title. She should be called Thunder or Stormbringer or something like that. The short version;
During the "Unworthy Thor" run in the comics, Thor lost the ability to wield Mjolnir. Upon witnessing an unknown woman (Jane Foster) lifting Mjolnir and getting his powers bestowed upon her, he initially tried to reclaim the hammer, but eventually decided to relinquish his name and role to her (becoming Odinson), feeling himself no longer worthy to be called or serve as Thor without his hammer.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 27, 2019 2:02:08 GMT
Taking a break from the whole Jane Foster Thor thing (we should probably wait and see what happens), this upcoming Blade movie will be in Phase 5, and we don't know much about it other than Mahershala Ali is set to star as Blade (a GREAT modern casting choice!).
Most of what the general public knows and likes about Blade comes from the 1998 movie with Wesley Snipes, which strays very far from the original comic book roots in favor of a stylized, R-rated action flick. Marvel's going to have a hard time living up to that movie, but knowing them, I expect them to make an entertaining flick with it's own unique flavor and tries to be more faithful to Blade's comic book roots.
I'm not exactly sure if Marvel's going to go the full R-rated take like the Wesley Snipes film, but it would definitely be an interesting and somewhat logical next step for Marvel, considering how when they started out, they were more like grounded superhero films that eventually turned into epic grandiose tales told through over a decade of films. Essentially, the fanbase they started with has grown up, so it would make sense for Marvel to respect that grown fanbase with a little R-rating here and there. And if you guys are worried about Disney's intervention, bear in mind that since Disney bought 20th Century Fox, they released the R-rated Stuber film, making it Disney's first R-rated film in a long time.
But other than that, here are some personal things I want to see the new Blade movie do.
1.) as campy and stylized as the action was, I personally want to see a Blade that goes for a more horror mystery vibe. Still having good action, but putting more focus on suspenseful mystery build up and and good horror scares. Essentially, make Blade kind of like Geralt from the Witcher. A badass monster slayer and detective.
2.) When I heard that his original origin story had him technically be born over a century ago at the time of Dracula, I can't help but feel intrigued at the idea of a Blade that's centuries years old. I heard a suggestion that this new Blade movie could be an origin story set in the 1800's, which would really put a neat spin on superhero movies since that's a time period not really visited in them (unless you count League of Extraordinary Gentlemen). Otherwise, if they're sticking with the modern route, I want to see the movie really dive in Blade's psychology of having lived through centuries of human history, and how it affects him and his world view, with a villain or situation that challenges his beliefs.
3.) I don't know if it's too much to ask, but maybe this Blade film could also squeeze in the underrated Elsa Bloodstone character. Probably not the case, but if Blade proves successful, maybe it might open the door to some other supernatural horror based characters like Elsa Bloodstone.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 27, 2019 2:35:11 GMT
Wait... so Mahershala Ali is both Cottonmouth and Blade in the MCU?
(Kevin Feige really does want us to ignore the Netflix shows, doesn't he?)
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 27, 2019 3:22:35 GMT
Wait... so Mahershala Ali is both Cottonmouth and Blade in the MCU? (Kevin Feige really does want us to ignore the Netflix shows, doesn't he?) Considering that Netflix pulled the plug on all the Netflix shows, I would say yeah. Here's hoping that the characters do return in some way to the MCU, either as movie characters or Disney+ characters. And don't recast them, because you had a super solid cast.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 27, 2019 4:14:46 GMT
Considering that Netflix pulled the plug on all the Netflix shows, I would say yeah. Here's hoping that the characters do return in some way to the MCU, either as movie characters or Disney+ characters. And don't recast them, because you had a super solid cast. I personally think it'd be hilarious to see Spider-Man interact with Jessica Jones.
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