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Post by talyn82 on May 7, 2018 5:12:32 GMT
I am a huge DA fan. DA:O being my favorite followed by DA2 and Inquisition. I was recommended some comics by Hanako Ikezawa. But I heard of books and comics that deal with other companions from the games. Which comics/books do you recommend? Also are there any lore books on Thedas? The only comic I've read was, Until We Sleep. Which featured Alistair, Isabela, Varric, Sten, and another of Flemeth's daughters.
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Post by vertigomez on May 7, 2018 11:04:55 GMT
All of them, basically.
There are 5(?) novels but my favorites are The Masked Empire and Asunder, which take place just before DAI. But if DAO is your favorite game, The Stolen Throne (which is about Maric and Loghain), The Calling (more Maric and Loghain plus Grey Wardens), and Last Flight (which is also about Grey Wardens, and goes back and forth between the events of the Fourth Blight and right around the time of DAI) might be of interest to you.
There are two big lore books, World of Thedas and World of Thedas 2, which are excellent. The Inquisition art book is also pretty meaty.
There are three different comics series. I liked Knight Errant, which takes place during Inquisition. Magekiller was kind of meh, and you've already read the other one.
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Post by thats1evildude on May 7, 2018 19:29:15 GMT
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Post by vertigomez on May 8, 2018 17:09:04 GMT
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Post by Templar Knight on May 10, 2018 17:22:23 GMT
Hopefully with some edits - The Stolen Throne and The Calling clearly could have benefited from more writing/editing time. They were honestly difficult for me to get through, and they have multiple areas where they don't quite fit with the games and the game lore (presumably as the games were still in development at the time they were being written). The most glaring example is probably Antiva, which is referred to as "Calabria" in the first half of The Stolen Throne before an abrupt unexplained change in name.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 10, 2018 18:09:06 GMT
There are three different comics series. I liked Knight Errant, which takes place during Inquisition. Magekiller was kind of meh, and you've already read the other one. Knight Errant doesn't take place during DAI. It takes place after the Trespasser DLC. Magekiller is the one that takes place during DAI.
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Post by vertigomez on May 10, 2018 20:32:47 GMT
There are three different comics series. I liked Knight Errant, which takes place during Inquisition. Magekiller was kind of meh, and you've already read the other one. Knight Errant doesn't take place during DAI. It takes place after the Trespasser DLC. Magekiller is the one that takes place during DAI. Ah, I was just bunching the whole DAI timeline together. But yes it technically takes place post-Trespasser.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 10, 2018 21:02:20 GMT
Knight Errant doesn't take place during DAI. It takes place after the Trespasser DLC. Magekiller is the one that takes place during DAI. Ah, I was just bunching the whole DAI timeline together. But yes it technically takes place post-Trespasser. I kind of figured, but just felt like that should be noted since I wouldn't be surprised if that series taking place post-Trespasser may mean that Vaea and Aaron are among the "people he doesn't know" that the Inquisitor talks about at the end of Trespasser.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 10, 2018 21:04:06 GMT
Actually, are you sure it takes place post Trespasser? In it Varric is just starting his tenure as Viscount of Kirkwall. In Trespasser he is already Viscount of Kirkwall. In Knight Errant Charter is still recruiting people to act on behalf of the Inquisition. Yet, technically if disbanded, the Inquisition no longer exists. So it would make more sense for the story to be set in the period 9:42-9:44, the 2 year period after the end of DAI but before the Exalted Council.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 10, 2018 21:13:35 GMT
Actually, are you sure it takes place post Trespasser? In it Varric is just starting his tenure as Viscount of Kirkwall. In Trespasser he is already Viscount of Kirkwall. In Knight Errant Charter is still recruiting people to act on behalf of the Inquisition. Yet, technically if disbanded, the Inquisition no longer exists. So it would make more sense for the story to be set in the period 9:42-9:44, the 2 year period after the end of DAI but before the Exalted Council. Nunzio DeFilippis and Mike Laidlaw said that it takes place after the Exalted Council but still the same year as Trespasser, so basically shortly after. Remember at the end of Trespasser no matter what you choose there is still a secret Inquisition that exists and is operating to stop Solas. That's the scene where the Inquisitor and a few others meet in the basement. Charter is Leliana's successor as spymaster.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 11, 2018 6:01:09 GMT
Nunzio DeFilippis and Mike Laidlaw said that it takes place after the Exalted Council but still the same year as Trespasser, so basically shortly after. Remember at the end of Trespasser no matter what you choose there is still a secret Inquisition that exists and is operating to stop Solas. That's the scene where the Inquisitor and a few others meet in the basement. Charter is Leliana's successor as spymaster. I know that's what they maintained but it seems odd to me. If this is the "shadow Inquisition" why are Marius and Tessa still working for it if you disbanded the organisation? When the Inquisitor talks about finding new people that Solas doesn't know that surely doesn't mean people that the Inquisitor doesn't know personally? After all, the idea was that the organisation had been infiltrated by Solas' agents, so they would know everyone involved even if the Inquisitor did not. At the end of Magekiller those two were working with Sutherland's group, so I think Solas' agents would have been aware of them.
The plot of Knight Errant doesn't seem to relate to finding Solas at all, or recovering information that would lead to him, so why is the "shadow Inquisition" even involved in this? Of course, the short answer is that they are using a world state in which the Inquisition was reduced in size but not disbanded altogether. However, if that was the case then it is under the direction of the Divine and surely, with Sebastian being such a devout follower of the Chantry, it would have been easier for her to just ask him for the document rather than steal it.
Of course, the real answer is that probably not a lot of thought was given to plot anomalies but no doubt, if the two main characters from Knight Errant should pop up in the next game, then the involvement of the shadow Inquisition in Knight Errant will be explained.
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Post by thats1evildude on May 11, 2018 6:42:17 GMT
The big problem with KE being set after Trespasser is that there was a codex in the DLC that says Meredith's statue was moved. People in Lowtown even made up a song about it. But I can see why the shadow Inquisition would be involved in the events of Knight Errant. After all ... ... magisters experimenting with red lyrium is a huge concern, even if the main priority is stopping Solas. The world doesn't need another Corypheus rising to power with an army of red lyrium-enhanced slaves. (Remember, the Venatori attempted this, which was the pretext for Iron Bull's personal quest.)
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Post by Templar Knight on May 11, 2018 20:15:12 GMT
The big problem with KE being set after Trespasser is that there was a codex in the DLC that says Meredith's statue was moved. People in Lowtown even made up a song about it. But I can see why the shadow Inquisition would be involved in the events of Knight Errant. After all ... ... magisters experimenting with red lyrium is a huge concern, even if the main priority is stopping Solas. The world doesn't need another Corypheus rising to power with an army of red lyrium-enhanced slaves. (Remember, the Venatori attempted this, which was the pretext for Iron Bull's personal quest.) Isn't Meredith's statue visible in the Black Emporium ingame?
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Post by thats1evildude on May 11, 2018 20:31:00 GMT
Yeah, but I figure that’s a replica. It ain’t glowing and shit.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 11, 2018 21:16:18 GMT
Regarding the Meredith statue, Nuncio acknowledged that he messed up with her still being in the Gallows. That's just a continuity error.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 11, 2018 21:23:55 GMT
Nunzio DeFilippis and Mike Laidlaw said that it takes place after the Exalted Council but still the same year as Trespasser, so basically shortly after. Remember at the end of Trespasser no matter what you choose there is still a secret Inquisition that exists and is operating to stop Solas. That's the scene where the Inquisitor and a few others meet in the basement. Charter is Leliana's successor as spymaster. I know that's what they maintained but it seems odd to me. If this is the "shadow Inquisition" why are Marius and Tessa still working for it if you disbanded the organisation? When the Inquisitor talks about finding new people that Solas doesn't know that surely doesn't mean people that the Inquisitor doesn't know personally? After all, the idea was that the organisation had been infiltrated by Solas' agents, so they would know everyone involved even if the Inquisitor did not. At the end of Magekiller those two were working with Sutherland's group, so I think Solas' agents would have been aware of them.
The plot of Knight Errant doesn't seem to relate to finding Solas at all, or recovering information that would lead to him, so why is the "shadow Inquisition" even involved in this? Of course, the short answer is that they are using a world state in which the Inquisition was reduced in size but not disbanded altogether. However, if that was the case then it is under the direction of the Divine and surely, with Sebastian being such a devout follower of the Chantry, it would have been easier for her to just ask him for the document rather than steal it.
Of course, the real answer is that probably not a lot of thought was given to plot anomalies but no doubt, if the two main characters from Knight Errant should pop up in the next game, then the involvement of the shadow Inquisition in Knight Errant will be explained.
Just because Marius and Tessa worked for the Inquisition before Trespasser doesn't mean that they would be fired. They are well-trusted members and there is also the personal relationship between Tessa and Charter, that even being joked by Varric as the reason Charter asked Vaea to rescue them, so it makes sense they would stay if they so chose. Yes the Inquisitor will be getting new people as well, but they still keep those they trust. Yes, I'm sure if Vaea and Aaron show up in DA4 there will be a bit of story about how they got involved including the events of Knight Errant. It's possible that those two may even be our starting companions, as well as a mage so we have one of each class like in DAI.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 11, 2018 21:42:28 GMT
Yes the Inquisitor will be getting new people as well, but they still keep those they trust. Not if the Inquisition doesn't even exist. Besides, what about our agents (multi-player characters)? What about Sutherland and his group? They are all trusted personnel. There would also be much better candidates among them for covert work "stealing" an important document. Instead Charter goes with a couple of people who were said to be specialist mage killers and they get themselves caught. If Charter is basing her decisions on her relationship with the person instead of the best one for the job then I'd rather not have her as Spymaster. I must admit I didn't like the way she blackmailed Vaea into working for the Inquisition either.
Anyway if Vaea and Aaron show up in DA4 I hope they don't assume knowledge of the comic book when it comes to their backstory and character development.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 11, 2018 21:59:53 GMT
Yes the Inquisitor will be getting new people as well, but they still keep those they trust. Not if the Inquisition doesn't even exist. Besides, what about our agents (multi-player characters)? What about Sutherland and his group? They are all trusted personnel. There would also be much better candidates among them for covert work "stealing" an important document. Instead Charter goes with a couple of people who were said to be specialist mage killers and they get themselves caught. If Charter is basing her decisions on her relationship with the person instead of the best one for the job then I'd rather not have her as Spymaster. I must admit I didn't like the way she blackmailed Vaea into working for the Inquisition either.
Anyway if Vaea and Aaron show up in DA4 I hope they don't assume knowledge of the comic book when it comes to their backstory and character development.
Why are you putting everything in spoiler tags? Everything we are talking about came out years ago. No matter whether you make the old Inquisition a part of the Chantry or dissolve it, by the end of Trespasser there is always still a new Inquisition. We see that in the final cutscene as well as even the choice about what to do with the of Inquisition. Keeping the old one gives you more influence but has a bigger risk of enemy infiltration, while dissolving it gives you less influence but makes enemy infiltration more difficult. Regarding Sutherland, their mercenary group doesn't always exist since that is a player choice. If the player didn't make Sutherland's company, Tessa and Marius do that part with other Inquisition soldiers. Same with the part with the Bull's Chargers since they could be dead by the time you go to the Hissing Wastes. As for why Charter goes with Tessa and Marius, we see in Magekiller they are very skilled at infiltration for example when we see them kill several of the Venatori leaders. So they are a good choice for that kind of job, just this time it didn't work out so the Inquisition needed someone even better, hence then seeking out Vaea. I agree Charter uses questionable methods but really what can you expect from her given her past as The Black Hart as well as Leliana, who also used questionable means as spymaster, being her mentor. I hope that as well. I think Bioware learned their lesson from DAI with that looking at MEA. In MEA while there was a book about the Nexus Uprising the game still gave lots of information for it.
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Post by thats1evildude on May 11, 2018 22:31:52 GMT
I suspect that the "shadow Inquisition" opposing Solas isn't just the Inquisitor, Cassandra, Leliana and Harding. We don't have armies or fortresses any more, but there are still more people involved than you think.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 12, 2018 9:20:39 GMT
Why are you putting everything in spoiler tags? Everything we are talking about came out years ago. Because the original poster was asking about which books to read, which I assume means they don't know these things and would rather I kept them hidden. Rather than take the chance of annoying someone for revealing too much, I prefer to annoy someone by using spoilers.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 12, 2018 9:28:48 GMT
Regarding Sutherland, their mercenary group doesn't always exist since that is a player choice. If the player didn't make Sutherland's company, Tessa and Marius do that part with other Inquisition soldiers. Same with the part with the Bull's Chargers since they could be dead by the time you go to the Hissing Wastes. Except they don't. After all, some people may have told Dorian to get lost but in the comics he is there as part of the Inquisition with the Bull's Chargers, so the comics have decided to go with a certain assumed world state which may bear no relation to the one a person has experienced in game. It was part of the reason I couldn't understand why they didn't use Tessa and Marius in completely different locations working as agents so it kept it generic. There were plenty of War Table missions they could have attached them to or simply used the plot of Magekiller but have the events take place somewhere other than Crestwood and the Hissing Wastes, working with generic Inquisition soldiers, with the only named familiar contact being Charter, who could have been travelling around under the directions of Leliana. So as they used a specific world state in Magekiller, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that they did the same with Knight Errant.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 12, 2018 9:43:13 GMT
As for why Charter goes with Tessa and Marius, we see in Magekiller they are very skilled at infiltration for example when we see them kill several of the Venatori leaders. So they are a good choice for that kind of job They were good for the job assassinating leading Venatori because they were dangerous mages, so in theory would know how to neutralise them. It was Archon Radonis' idea to use them for that job specifically because they were outsiders and so likely not to be known by their targets so easier for them to get close enough to take them out. That is not the same skill set as is needed for the tasks set for Vaea. I just question the fact that those other two were thought the best choice out of the available personnel in the Inquisition if many of the most trusted and efficient operatives had been retained. Then it is decided to use a complete outsider for such a sensitive mission before her loyalty to the organisation had been proven. That suggests that the majority of trusted personnel had been retired from service after the Exalted Council but Tessa and Marius had been retained. Why?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 13, 2018 22:36:58 GMT
As for why Charter goes with Tessa and Marius, we see in Magekiller they are very skilled at infiltration for example when we see them kill several of the Venatori leaders. So they are a good choice for that kind of job They were good for the job assassinating leading Venatori because they were dangerous mages, so in theory would know how to neutralise them. It was Archon Radonis' idea to use them for that job specifically because they were outsiders and so likely not to be known by their targets so easier for them to get close enough to take them out. That is not the same skill set as is needed for the tasks set for Vaea. I just question the fact that those other two were thought the best choice out of the available personnel in the Inquisition if many of the most trusted and efficient operatives had been retained. Then it is decided to use a complete outsider for such a sensitive mission before her loyalty to the organisation had been proven. That suggests that the majority of trusted personnel had been retired from service after the Exalted Council but Tessa and Marius had been retained. Why? We don't know enough about the situation to really say. It could be that mission was time-sensitive and Tessa and Marius were the best ones available who could reach it in time. Once captured there were no more Inquisition agents skilled in what Charter needed so she went to outside help. Plus with the target being a book on red lyrium and the Venatori being involved it makes sense to send magekillers in case the Venatori are there like we see in the comic. Sure there were no mages among the Venatori there but you can't know that ahead of time and they are just as skilled dealing with non-mage targets. There are in-universe reasons why those two make sense. And of course the meta reason may be that they are setting Marius and Tessa up to be characters in DA4 as well so used them in the comic.
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Post by Iddy on May 14, 2018 18:58:24 GMT
The Bible.
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Post by vertigomez on May 14, 2018 20:56:37 GMT
The Bible. I hear if you play it backwards you can hear Satan speaking to you. 🤔
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