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Post by coldsteelblue on May 18, 2018 8:04:51 GMT
I'm glad that there is an element of solo play in this, as last time I played a game with a friend (Borderlands 2) all they wanted to do was run & gun straight to the end & I got really pissed off with them & vowed to never to a co-op narrative with anyone again. So it will be interesting to see just what inf comes out at EA play/E3 just a few weeks away now.
That's my fear as well. There is an implied player protocol when "playing with friends". At least, that's my perception. Either we play "follow the leader" or " it's everyone does what they want"...
Casey & Co. ought to clarify this at E3.
In theory yes, but that guy was a pain, but with Borderlands I was able to ditch the guy & continue on my own.
My concern before was that the missions wouldn't even launch without 'X' number of players, so at least I can breathe a sigh of relief, all I need to do now is wait for the big reveal to fully make up my mind.
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Post by Heimdall on May 18, 2018 9:11:16 GMT
Not at this particular point I donât think. Casey is clearly holding back on the details so the E3 reveals have greater impact. this MIGHT be the case tho I explained before WHY I think it is not. It's 3 AM and I am not going to reiterate it BUT...let me ask you this. What happens If at E3 we get another vertical slice played by Bioware devs insulting our intelligence by pretending to be gamers playing the game and yet again nothing at all on how the game is "very much a bioware game" in terms of how the story is delivered to us, how it evolves, and how the solo player can experience it ACTUALLY solo and in a way that feels like a Mass Effect or Dragon age game? What then? Am I gonna get people like you on board with the fact this is indeed concerning or am I gonna get a "pshhhht Bioware is obviously waiting for the game to release so they can wow us with it then"? If E3 comes and goes without Bioware revealing anything of substance, that would be concerning. I really doubt thatâs going to happen though. Casey is responding to the negativity online toward Anthem (from people who see fit to shout their worst case scenarios from the rooftops). He wants to reassure them that they are aiming to address the concerns weâre talking about. However, the general trend of games these days is to have a shorter marketing cycle before release, so it doesnât surprise me that the marketing machine wonât roll into motion until post-E3
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 18, 2018 23:02:38 GMT
Fair enough, though I'm compelled to point out that you can't have it both ways. If you insist on hard facts before forming a positive opinion, you also need to keep your FUD and preemptive criticisms to yourself until those facts are available. uhm...nope. I explained before why the situation is concerning in regards to the story and the single player solo game and it concerns a Bioware game that tries to be a Destiny game An explanation based on zero facts and a lot of assumptions about Anthem. FTFY, and Iâm being kind. âCompletely delusional ravingâ would be more accurate. Wow. Not only do you hold a grudge against Bioware, you hold Bioware accountable for the sins of other game companies as well. Thatâs a pretty high bar.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on May 19, 2018 12:59:50 GMT
uhm...nope. I explained before why the situation is concerning in regards to the story and the single player solo game and it concerns a Bioware game that tries to be a Destiny game An explanation based on zero facts and a lot of assumptions about Anthem. FTFY, and Iâm being kind. âCompletely delusional ravingâ would be more accurate. Wow. Not only do you hold a grudge against Bioware, you hold Bioware accountable for the sins of other game companies as well. Thatâs a pretty high bar. lol...you DO know that ANYTHING Bioware employees post about the game per Casey Hudson's own admission during the ME3 pre launch phase MUST go through marketing and branding and be "allowed" to be posted? Does that not make it a FACT that Marketing allowed such post to be released to the public or are you saying Casey has gone rogue? How is comparing similar PR bullshit speeches from different companies holding Bioware accountable for the missteps of another company? Do you even listen to yourself? Yeah thanks for cementing my conviction that you are not worth the effort of sustaining a conversation with.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on May 19, 2018 13:01:29 GMT
this MIGHT be the case tho I explained before WHY I think it is not. It's 3 AM and I am not going to reiterate it BUT...let me ask you this. What happens If at E3 we get another vertical slice played by Bioware devs insulting our intelligence by pretending to be gamers playing the game and yet again nothing at all on how the game is "very much a bioware game" in terms of how the story is delivered to us, how it evolves, and how the solo player can experience it ACTUALLY solo and in a way that feels like a Mass Effect or Dragon age game? What then? Am I gonna get people like you on board with the fact this is indeed concerning or am I gonna get a "pshhhht Bioware is obviously waiting for the game to release so they can wow us with it then"? If E3 comes and goes without Bioware revealing anything of substance, that would be concerning. I really doubt thatâs going to happen though. Casey is responding to the negativity online toward Anthem (from people who see fit to shout their worst case scenarios from the rooftops). Â He wants to reassure them that they are aiming to address the concerns weâre talking about. Â However, the general trend of games these days is to have a shorter marketing cycle before release, so it doesnât surprise me that the marketing machine wonât roll into motion until post-E3 ok then, I will see you here after the presentation to compare notes
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Post by SofaJockey on May 19, 2018 13:25:32 GMT
ok then, I will see you here after the presentation to compare notes I'm sure there will be many of us here after EAPlay to compare notes...
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Post by Sartoz on May 19, 2018 15:04:38 GMT
We all agree, I'm sure, that Anthem trailer #2 will show awesome candy graphics... probably in 4K. Unfortunately, most of us will see a downgraded version... possibly 720p, 1080p. Plus, most of us lack a 4K monitor. Pity that all that polishing work won't be seen as it should.
There is one key interest, for me. That is, the focus of the trailer. Solo play? Co-op combat? Play with friends? Hubs? Stories?
I predict that the Narrator will weave an overall nice story but revealing little about the game. As to visuals, expect a mish-mash of the above.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 19, 2018 15:32:35 GMT
Yeah thanks for cementing my conviction that you are not worth the effort of sustaining a conversation with. Now we're getting somewhere! Since you brought it up, let me set the record straight. Here's my current thinking on Anthem and Bioware's PR to date: I hope for the best, prepare for the worst. And by prepare, I mean prepare to shrug it off and get on with my life. In the absence of facts, I prefer to speculate constructively and optimistically. I see no downside to that. Is it possible Bioware could disappoint me? OF COURSE IT IS. So what? Life is full of disappointments. Just as it is full of joy and pleasant surprises. Why dwell on the possibility of disappointment, even if that possibility is greater than the possibility of pleasant surprise? What kind of life is that, constantly going around in hedgehog/turtle mode, armored against disappointment, when embracing the possibility, however slim, that something unexpected and fun might happen instead? Particularly when that guarded, sour, butthurt, wounded from previous disappointments, shields at maximum posture, manifests as endless spamming of negativity that annoys the hell out of my neighbors in the community?I prefer to dwell on the things that are fun and entertaining. Life is too short to dwell on disappointment and unfulfilled expectations.
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Post by General Mahad on May 19, 2018 17:51:04 GMT
You don't know how much I hate it when developers pull this nonsense. Getting a trophy by grinding to level 30 in MP or obtaining a very rare weapon/gear that barely drops in matchmaking? GTFO. What would you think of a game that allowed you to buy any achievement with in-game currency -- with no connection to real money, i.e., you can't buy in-game currency with real money. Just ME credits or DA gold pieces or whatever Anthem has. I can get behind that.
At least I'll get a chance to get all the achievements even with the servers are shut down.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on May 19, 2018 23:01:24 GMT
We all agree, I'm sure, that Anthem trailer #2 will show awesome candy graphics... probably in 4K. Unfortunately, most of us will see a downgraded version... possibly 720p, 1080p. Plus, most of us lack a 4K monitor. Pity that all that polishing work won't be seen as it should.
There is one key interest, for me. That is, the focus of the trailer. Solo play? Co-op combat? Play with friends? Hubs? Stories?
I predict that the Narrator will weave an overall nice story but revealing little about the game. As to visuals, expect a mish-mash of the above.
I am predicting more play with friends like destiny crap....I hope I am wrong
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Post by Sartoz on May 20, 2018 0:10:08 GMT
We all agree, I'm sure, that Anthem trailer #2 will show awesome candy graphics... probably in 4K. Unfortunately, most of us will see a downgraded version... possibly 720p, 1080p. Plus, most of us lack a 4K monitor. Pity that all that polishing work won't be seen as it should.
There is one key interest, for me. That is, the focus of the trailer. Solo play? Co-op combat? Play with friends? Hubs? Stories?
I predict that the Narrator will weave an overall nice story but revealing little about the game. As to visuals, expect a mish-mash of the above.
I am predicting more play with friends like destiny crap....I hope I am wrong
If so, I hope Bio clarifies what "playing with friends " means in terms of game progression.
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Post by Iakus on May 20, 2018 1:41:46 GMT
We all agree, I'm sure, that Anthem trailer #2 will show awesome candy graphics... probably in 4K. Unfortunately, most of us will see a downgraded version... possibly 720p, 1080p. Plus, most of us lack a 4K monitor. Pity that all that polishing work won't be seen as it should.
There is one key interest, for me. That is, the focus of the trailer. Solo play? Co-op combat? Play with friends? Hubs? Stories?
I predict that the Narrator will weave an overall nice story but revealing little about the game. As to visuals, expect a mish-mash of the above.
I am predicting more play with friends like destiny crap....I hope I am wrong
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Post by Sartoz on May 20, 2018 14:25:11 GMT
EA games and from other publishers are a reflection of the existing diverse gaming community. So, we have shooters, RPGS, aRPGs and other types of games.
Now, I like DA and the ME series. However, I also like turn based strategy and tactical games like Galactic Civilizations III, Sid Meier's Civilization series, Xcom 2, Moo 2... etc and I also like aircraft simulation games like Microsoft's Flight Simulator. I even played Gunship 2000 with DOSBox.
Game pubs need to sell their wares to the biggest market and MP games seem to be the target these days... though I feel EA is pushing the MP market because of its in-game currency features.
So, while I agree with the sentiment, I doubt Bio will create Anthem as a RPG story driven game first and MP co-op second. On the contrary, this game is MP co-op mtx game with mission stories as support elements similar to MEAMP day/weekly missions with Destiny like quests for glory, gear and weapons. The solo play may be Warframish... but not a true DA/ME type.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 20, 2018 16:49:05 GMT
AKA, instructions for how not to make more money. Which is fine for indie, niche, and even middle-tier game companies, not so much for any AAA company. Not that I'm happy about that, far from it. It's just the reality of the situation. Pretty ironic to use TLoU as the meme picture, since it has a robust multiplayer mode that people are still playing. I think the better meme is, while you're raking in all that MP and mtx cash, how about spending a little of it on a niche or indie studio -- intrapreneurship style -- that specializes in SP story games? Better a second thought than an afterthought, or no thought at all.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on May 20, 2018 20:38:54 GMT
I am predicting more play with friends like destiny crap....I hope I am wrong someone needs to tattoo that on the forehead of EVERY 343 executive....
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Post by DragonRacer on May 23, 2018 1:02:31 GMT
Admittedly, I have not read through the entire thread.
But I would be pretty okay if the solo vs group content is somewhat along the lines of what Elder Scrolls Online currently does. Yes, some endgame dungeons and activities are group only or nigh-impossible without a group, but largely 95% of the game is doable by yourself solo. You see other folks running around, you can choose to interact with them or not, choose to group up with them or not, and in some cases they can help you for some elements by pure happenstance (i.e. everyone happens to be at the same world boss at the same time and engages, whether you're grouped together or not).
I find myself very content in ESO that way. I can still enjoy the major and most minor storylines on my own pace by myself. I don't have to rely on others to progress my personal game. The group-only content doesn't overly appeal to me and I feel no great loss in ignoring it. And I get to choose my amount of participation in group or social content.
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Post by Sartoz on May 23, 2018 3:15:44 GMT
From the first trailer, I get the feeling that Anthem is nowhere near a MMO. Therefore, when playing solo, we will not encounter co-op teams of four while exploring / questing outside the Forts. Similarly, in co-op mode we will not encounter solo players or even other co-op teams.
This "shared world" that Bio is talking about is very limited... perhaps to only "shared new content, like skins".
E3, may clarify a few things.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 23, 2018 17:58:49 GMT
I am predicting more play with friends like destiny crap....I hope I am wrong I assume this image came before HZD, which is strictly singleplayer, which is surprising since its combat and massive landscapes would probably lend itself exceptionally well to MP.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 24, 2018 0:18:45 GMT
I assume this image came before HZD, which is strictly singleplayer, which is surprising since its combat and massive landscapes would probably lend itself exceptionally well to MP. Maybe the message is Sony is the only one that cares about SP games with great stories: HZD and TLoU were both PlayStation exclusives. đ Not that HZDâs story qualifies as great, but better than MP only stories of itâs day. I guess thatâs not actually saying much.
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Post by Kedan on May 24, 2018 16:52:01 GMT
Nothing I remember being said so far has convinced me that Anthem wonât be an iteration on the Destiny model, up to and including the assurance that you can play through the story solo.You can, after all, play through Destinyâs entire campaign solo, but no one would suggest Destiny (or the Division) is a single-player game. Itâs an online shooter/looter, so Iâm expecting a short campaign followed by grinding the various multiplayer activities on the loot treadmill. Periodic DLC will provide a handful of new story missions, with occasional âexpansionsâ providing a larger narrative, but the bulk of the new content will be multiplayer, or on support of the multiplayer community.
I expect to be able to finish Anthemâs story in a few hours, be hailed as the Hero, and get to grinding alongside all the other Chosen Ones for that conveniently color coded loot.
I certainly hope to be proven wrong in the near future.
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Post by Sartoz on May 24, 2018 17:38:10 GMT
Nothing I remember being said so far has convinced me that Anthem wonât be an iteration on the Destiny model, up to and including the assurance that you can play through the story solo.You can, after all, play through Destinyâs entire campaign solo, but no one would suggest Destiny (or the Division) is a single-player game. Itâs an online shooter/looter, so Iâm expecting a short campaign followed by grinding the various multiplayer activities on the loot treadmill. Periodic DLC will provide a handful of new story missions, with occasional âexpansionsâ providing a larger narrative, but the bulk of the new content will be multiplayer, or on support of the multiplayer community. I expect to be able to finish Anthemâs story in a few hours, be hailed as the Hero, and get to grinding alongside all the other Chosen Ones for that conveniently color coded loot. I certainly hope to be proven wrong in the near future.
Unfortunately. I agree with your view.
Bio may be able to pull of the solo campaign better, provided it's longer than SWBF-II's. Players were complaining that the BF campaign was too short. I also bet there is only one type of character for the solo mode. There won't be an initial char selection from Soldier, Engineer, sniper, ... etc. Thus, starting the game anew, won't prove a different path... imo.
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Post by Kedan on May 24, 2018 17:50:14 GMT
Nothing I remember being said so far has convinced me that Anthem wonât be an iteration on the Destiny model, up to and including the assurance that you can play through the story solo.You can, after all, play through Destinyâs entire campaign solo, but no one would suggest Destiny (or the Division) is a single-player game. Itâs an online shooter/looter, so Iâm expecting a short campaign followed by grinding the various multiplayer activities on the loot treadmill. Periodic DLC will provide a handful of new story missions, with occasional âexpansionsâ providing a larger narrative, but the bulk of the new content will be multiplayer, or on support of the multiplayer community. I expect to be able to finish Anthemâs story in a few hours, be hailed as the Hero, and get to grinding alongside all the other Chosen Ones for that conveniently color coded loot. I certainly hope to be proven wrong in the near future.
Unfortunately. I agree with your view.
Bio may be able to pull of the solo campaign better, provided it's longer than SWBF-II's. Players were complaining that the BF campaign was too short. I also bet there is only one type of character for the solo mode. There won't be an initial char selection from Soldier, Engineer, sniper, ... etc. Thus, starting the game anew, won't prove a different path... imo.
Nah, youâll be able to create your character just fine, and beat the campaign regardless of what you choose I canât imagine there will be a âsolo modeâ, it will simply be choosing to not invite other people to play those missions with you.
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Post by PillarBiter on May 25, 2018 6:06:43 GMT
Itâs an online shooter/looter, Why has "shlooter" never become a thing?
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Post by SofaJockey on May 25, 2018 12:58:15 GMT
Why has "shlooter" never become a thing? Or 'looshter'
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Post by warden on May 25, 2018 12:59:36 GMT
Itâs an online shooter/looter, Why has "shlooter" never become a thing? Because you lack the brain cells for it.
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