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Post by Iddy on Jun 6, 2018 13:16:30 GMT
She still insults Cullen by offering to explain what the eluvian is with small words.
She still is arrogant when debating with Solas about the Dread Wolf.
She still is greedy, as we saw with the Well of Sorrows.
Some might be impressed by her politeness towards the Inquisitor, but let's be real here. That is convenience and nothing more.
Coming to love Kieran is meaningful, but not a huge change of character. She already had the ability to care about someone in DAO, so it shouldn't be hard to eventually bond with her own child. And even then, she still fully intended to use him as originally planned. When Flemeth removes the OG soul, Morrigan laments "Kieran had a destiny".
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 6, 2018 14:38:43 GMT
Nah, she was way more cutting in DAO and her storyline was less obviously tied up with the Mythal stuff. I miss that Morrigan. She's so much more.... mellow in DAI and I don't like it.
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Post by Sumerian Physics on Jun 6, 2018 15:57:01 GMT
Why would she change? She's a powerful witch full of ancient and exclusive knowledge. She's seen almost everything and done almost everything. I didn't expect Morrigan to be any different and apart from being a little nicer to the Inquisitor...
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Post by Iddy on Jun 6, 2018 16:40:52 GMT
Why would she change? She's a powerful witch full of ancient and exclusive knowledge. She's seen almost everything and done almost everything. I didn't expect Morrigan to be any different and apart from being a little nicer to the Inquisitor... Perhaps. I only meant that I disagree with the misconception that there was a great change.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 6, 2018 20:08:14 GMT
Could it be that any apparent change in attitude is down to Morrigan learning from her time at the Orlesian Court to be more guarded about expressing her opinion when it might not be in her interests to do so. When we meet her in DAO she has very little experience of the wider world and so has no reservations about saying exactly what she thinks. By the time we meet her in DAI she has observed the Game and has realised that sometimes you need to be a bit more subtle and less open when dealing with people in positions of power.
I do not recall the exchange with Cullen at all but you are right that her attitude with Solas is more typical of the Morrigan we knew before and that is exactly because she does not regard him as someone she needs to worry about upsetting as she wants nothing from him. By contrast, the Inquisitor is someone that she does wish to cultivate and so she is more polite as a result.
Ten years have passed from when we last saw Morrigan and she is older and more experienced than she was then. It would be surprising if she hadn't learned from her greater exposure to other people and modified her behaviour as a result. She is clever and observant but that doesn't mean her underlying character is any different to what it was before.
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Post by Sifr on Jun 8, 2018 5:08:31 GMT
She still insults Cullen by offering to explain what the eluvian is with small words. Morrigan has always held a dim view of Templars and the Chantry.
Not only is their primary job to hunt down and lock people like her away, but most Templars we've encountered have come across as overzealous and dogmatic, rarely thinking for themselves when they could let the Chantry think for them. For some someone as fiercely independent as Morrigan, she cannot fathom why anyone would willingly give up their own freedom for religious servitude, along with submission to Chantry authority? That's likely the reason she questions Cullen and Alistair's intelligence, because in her mind, no rational person would accept this.
She still is arrogant when debating with Solas about the Dread Wolf. She still is greedy, as we saw with the Well of Sorrows.
"She's a girl who thinks she knows what's what better than I, or anyone. And why not? I raised her to be as she is! I cannot expect her to be any less!"
"You seek to preserve the powers that were, but to what end? It is because I taught you, girl."
Flemeth freely admits that she was the one that instilled these traits and qualities into her, seemingly on purpose. From her mother, Morrigan has amassed a wealth of knowledge on ancient history and arcane secrets that few other mages in Thedas possess. It's not surprising she'd be defensive then, when her knowledge is repeatedly questioned by an Elven apostate dressed like a hobo.
I'll agree that she's was greedy in wanting to take the Well for herself, but Morrigan's biggest character flaw has always been that she covets knowledge above all else. She may genuinely want to preserve history/knowledge from being destroyed, but she does often tend to rationalise that as a way to justify why she should be therefore be the one to take possession of it.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 8, 2018 9:45:25 GMT
She still insults Cullen by offering to explain what the eluvian is with small words. Morrigan has always held a dim view of Templars and the Chantry.
Not only is their primary job to hunt down and lock people like her away, but most Templars we've encountered have come across as overzealous and dogmatic, rarely thinking for themselves when they could let the Chantry think for them. For some someone as fiercely independent as Morrigan, she cannot fathom why anyone would willingly give up their own freedom for religious servitude, along with submission to Chantry authority? That's likely the reason she questions Cullen and Alistair's intelligence, because in her mind, no rational person would accept this.
She still is arrogant when debating with Solas about the Dread Wolf. She still is greedy, as we saw with the Well of Sorrows.
"She's a girl who thinks she knows what's what better than I, or anyone. And why not? I raised her to be as she is! I cannot expect her to be any less!"
"You seek to preserve the powers that were, but to what end? It is because I taught you, girl."
Flemeth freely admits that she was the one that instilled these traits and qualities into her, seemingly on purpose. From her mother, Morrigan has amassed a wealth of knowledge on ancient history and arcane secrets that few other mages in Thedas possess. It's not surprising she'd be defensive then, when her knowledge is repeatedly questioned by an Elven apostate dressed like a hobo.
I'll agree that she's was greedy in wanting to take the Well for herself, but Morrigan's biggest character flaw has always been that she covets knowledge above all else. She may genuinely want to preserve history/knowledge from being destroyed, but she does often tend to rationalise that as a way to justify why she should be therefore be the one to take possession of it.
The problem is that Morrigan is a knowledge hoarder, not a sharer. The world doesn't benefit from her success.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 8, 2018 12:38:51 GMT
The problem is that Morrigan is a knowledge hoarder, not a sharer. The world doesn't benefit from her success. This is very true. She only gives out information as it suits her, just like Flemeth. It is why I thought Solas' question to me about what I was going to do with the knowledge of the Well of Sorrows was ridiculous considering that I let Morrigan drink from it. (When a Tevinter mage, a Fade expert elf and a spirit are all advising you against drinking you have to be pretty reckless to do so bearing in mind the Inquisitor is still the only person who can close rifts). There seemed only one appropriate answer to me: "Why don't you ask Morrigan?" This was proven accurate when as soon as Corypheus had been defeated, Morrigan went on her merry way. Between Solas and Morrigan there was an awful lot of knowledge that could have been imparted, for example about the origins of the darkspawn and the taint, since I am pretty sure both Solas and Mythal's priesthood knew exactly how they came to be, but neither Solas nor Morrigan think survival of the rest of creation matters so long as they have the world they want (and the Crossroads conveniently to shelter in from any adverse effects on the rest of the planet).
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Post by fylimar on Jun 8, 2018 15:53:11 GMT
I think, Morrigan was a bit more endurable in DAI, but she will never be a character, I'll come to like. And she basically hasn't changed much. As others have said, she probably learned to be a bit more diplomatic at the Orlesian court, but basically she is still arrogant and she is still egoistic and greedy.
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Post by melbella on Jun 8, 2018 17:09:20 GMT
I think, Morrigan was a bit more endurable in DAI, but she will never be a character, I'll come to like. And she basically hasn't changed much. As others have said, she probably learned to be a bit more diplomatic at the Orlesian court, but basically she is still arrogant and she is still egoistic and greedy.
She was more insufferable in DAI because I couldn't get rid of her. In DAO, if I told her to go away, she did, and I didn't see her again until it was time for her to reveal the real reason she wanted to come with me. But again, I could tell her to get lost and she did. In DAI, no matter how many times I made it clear she wasn't a welcome addition, she still kept coming to my WT meetings and inserted herself into my trip to Mythal's shrine, again, without an invite. All because: writers' pet.
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Post by fylimar on Jun 8, 2018 17:18:30 GMT
I think, Morrigan was a bit more endurable in DAI, but she will never be a character, I'll come to like. And she basically hasn't changed much. As others have said, she probably learned to be a bit more diplomatic at the Orlesian court, but basically she is still arrogant and she is still egoistic and greedy.
She was more insufferable in DAI because I couldn't get rid of her. In DAO, if I told her to go away, she did, and I didn't see her again until it was time for her to reveal the real reason she wanted to come with me. But again, I could tell her to get lost and she did. In DAI, no matter how many times I made it clear she wasn't a welcome addition, she still kept coming to my WT meetings and inserted herself into my trip to Mythal's shrine, again, without an invite. All because: writers' pet.
I agree, but in DAI, she was a bit less whiny. Really DAO Morrigan was constantly whining, it was so annoying.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 8, 2018 18:13:31 GMT
She was more insufferable in DAI because I couldn't get rid of her. In DAO, if I told her to go away, she did, and I didn't see her again until it was time for her to reveal the real reason she wanted to come with me. But again, I could tell her to get lost and she did. In DAI, no matter how many times I made it clear she wasn't a welcome addition, she still kept coming to my WT meetings and inserted herself into my trip to Mythal's shrine, again, without an invite. All because: writers' pet.
I agree, but in DAI, she was a bit less whiny. Really DAO Morrigan was constantly whining, it was so annoying. I don't remember whining being one of her flaws. What did she complain about?
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Post by fylimar on Jun 8, 2018 18:18:11 GMT
I agree, but in DAI, she was a bit less whiny. Really DAO Morrigan was constantly whining, it was so annoying. I don't remember whining being one of her flaws. What did she complain about? In my playthroughs - about everything. How the warden handles things (yeah Morri, I will totally kill a bunch of kids and an old lady to make you happy), Ali, dog, Wynne, Leli, not selling elves into slavery, helping a village in need, Ali, dog... I think, the only time, she isn't complaining is in the Deep Roads, but only, if you don't bring Ali and if Oghren doesn't try hitting on her
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Post by Iddy on Jun 8, 2018 18:22:25 GMT
I don't remember whining being one of her flaws. What did she complain about? In my playthroughs - about everything. How the warden handles things (yeah Morri, I will totally kill a bunch of kids and an old lady to make you happy), Ali, dog, Wynne, Leli, not selling elves into slavery, helping a village in need, Ali, dog... I think, the only time, she isn't complaining is in the Deep Roads, but only, if you don't bring Ali and if Oghren doesn't try hitting on her I guess I don't hear it because I mostly avoid taking her with me on do-gooding missions. Oh no, she does complain in the Deep Roads. She wants you to use the Anvil.
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Post by fylimar on Jun 8, 2018 19:10:51 GMT
In my playthroughs - about everything. How the warden handles things (yeah Morri, I will totally kill a bunch of kids and an old lady to make you happy), Ali, dog, Wynne, Leli, not selling elves into slavery, helping a village in need, Ali, dog... I think, the only time, she isn't complaining is in the Deep Roads, but only, if you don't bring Ali and if Oghren doesn't try hitting on her I guess I don't hear it because I mostly avoid taking her with me on do-gooding missions. Oh no, she does complain in the Deep Roads. She wants you to use the Anvil. Oh yes, you are right. SO yeah - a lot of complaining. I did take her with me everywhere at one point. I wanted to know, what every companion has to say. I think, that was why I heard all her complains
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 8, 2018 19:32:13 GMT
Oh yes, you are right. SO yeah - a lot of complaining. I did take her with me everywhere at one point. I wanted to know, what every companion has to say. I think, that was why I heard all her complains Remember when Zevran successfully fooled her? It was priceless. I think every companion who had ever suffered from her tongue enjoyed that one.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 8, 2018 20:07:02 GMT
Oh yes, you are right. SO yeah - a lot of complaining. I did take her with me everywhere at one point. I wanted to know, what every companion has to say. I think, that was why I heard all her complains Remember when Zevran successfully fooled her? It was priceless. I think every companion who had ever suffered from her tongue enjoyed that one. Which literally was every companion. I think Morrigan is the only character in the franchise who literally doesn't get along with anyone but the MC.
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Post by fylimar on Jun 8, 2018 20:21:30 GMT
Oh yes, you are right. SO yeah - a lot of complaining. I did take her with me everywhere at one point. I wanted to know, what every companion has to say. I think, that was why I heard all her complains Remember when Zevran successfully fooled her? It was priceless. I think every companion who had ever suffered from her tongue enjoyed that one. Yeah - that was fun ANd when she tried to hit on STen and he simply scared her away with hints of Qunari sexual practises - loved that one too
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Post by Reznore on Jun 9, 2018 2:13:28 GMT
The problem is that Morrigan is a knowledge hoarder, not a sharer. The world doesn't benefit from her success. Morrigan world is fairly small. Her main drive is her relationship to her mother.
Her mom is half a dead goddess who ruled empire, even if Morrigan didn't know it...she was raised by a person who doesn't just think she is above the laws of men due to a ego gone out of control, but actually is. So as a result Morrigan doesn't care whatsoever about random joe.
At best we might end up with a Morrigan that ends up caring about the world and its people as a concept worth saving...but I don't think sharing power with her lessers is going to be up for debate with her.
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