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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 16, 2018 9:39:33 GMT
If we're going to stop Solas's dream snooping I think we only have a few options: blood/blight magic, something ancient or help directly from the Fade (some sort of powerful spirit). Also - Justice is a spirit, but I don't think it has any particular talents when it comes to Dreamer evasion? We'd probably have to find something like Nightmare that can cover its tracks by eating memories, for example. Finding the means to block Solas could be a quest within the next game. There have been suggestions in game of ways in which this could be done. Seekers have an immunity to blood magic mind control and possession, which is presumably given by the faith spirit when it touches their mind. They haven't fully explained how it grants these abilities and I have assumed it is likely because the faith spirit remains in contact with their mind even if technically it isn't in full possession. Faith and Hope spirits are among the most powerful to be found so they might well be capable of resisting Solas or any other powerful Dreamer. The Litany of Adralla was specifically developed in order to protect from blood magic mind control and possession. How it does this has never been explained. Cole's amulet was designed to protect him as a spirit from being controlled by those of greater powers than himself. Mind you it still didn't stop Solas from wiping his memory from a distance. So presumably a combination of two or more of these might enable someone to evade mental intrusion by Solas, whether it is something we have to craft or it already exists and we have to find it.
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Post by ellehaym on Aug 16, 2018 16:27:27 GMT
I can see Tevinter having records on how to evade Dreamers/Somniari. They did have them in ancient times, so they must have developed ways to hide or counteract them in some way.
Morrigan managed to mask (and Kieran's) her presence from Flemeth up until the Well of Sorrows. I think Felassan used herbs to block oneself from the Fade.
Alternatively, Solas might believe it's beneath him to do things like that. He might even underestimate the Inquisition and the new people he found. Or he might not do it so that he could be proven wrong by the inquisitor and co?
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 16, 2018 21:22:01 GMT
I think Felassan used herbs to block oneself from the Fade. I'd forgotten this one. Yes, Felassan could have used the herbs to stop himself from dreaming/entering the Fade so Solas could not find him there and kill him but in the end he decided to face the music. Which made me realise that the ideal weapon again Solas would be a tranquil. They are cut off from the Fade so effectively invisible to Solas. Whilst he could persuade a spirit to touch their mind to un-tranquilise them, whilst they are in that state he would not be able to read their mind, erase their memory or attack them through the Fade.
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Post by phoray on Aug 17, 2018 3:56:27 GMT
I think Felassan used herbs to block oneself from the Fade. I'd forgotten this one. Yes, Felassan could have used the herbs to stop himself from dreaming/entering the Fade so Solas could not find him there and kill him but in the end he decided to face the music. Which made me realise that the ideal weapon again Solas would be a tranquil. They are cut off from the Fade so effectively invisible to Solas. Whilst he could persuade a spirit to touch their mind to un-tranquilise them, whilst they are in that state he would not be able to read their mind, erase their memory or attack them through the Fade. So non consensual, perfect gray zone to angst over for a decision
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 17, 2018 4:08:23 GMT
The IDEAL weapon against Solas is a golem. Doesn't dream, can't be turned to stone.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 17, 2018 4:10:52 GMT
The IDEAL weapon against Solas is a golem. Doesn't dream, can't be turned to stone. Inquisitor: "Hey, Shale. Remember all the pigeons?" Shale: "Yeah." Inquisitor: *points at Solas* "He did it." Shale: *charges Solas*
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Post by Nightscrawl on Aug 17, 2018 4:14:28 GMT
So non consensual, perfect gray zone to angst over for a decision Are you suggesting that the decision would be to make someone tranquil as a sort of secret weapon in the fight against Solas? I read Gervais's remark completely differently, and thought that the suggestion would be just recruit some tranquil, not make new ones. We already have tranquil in the Inquisition. I can see Clemence still working with the Shadow Inquisition in this capacity.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 17, 2018 7:06:57 GMT
I can see Clemence still working with the Shadow Inquisition in this capacity.
Exactly. I certainly wasn't suggesting making people tranquil just to get at Solas but some tranquil did survive the attentions of the Venatori. There was that other girl who was the one in the cartoon series who could call to dragons. I never watched it but people said she turned up at Haven as a tranquil.
However, Clemence would seem to be an ideal candidate. He asked to join the Inquisition so he clearly felt that logically they were the best choice both to save the world and himself. If told that Solas was now threatening the survival of every living thing in Thedas and the Shadow Inquisition needed his particular talents to stop him, then his logic would direct him to help. Plus if we did need to craft some item to help shield the minds of other members from Solas or protect in other ways from his magic, then who better than Clemence to do it?
A tranquil has the necessary focus and drive to achieve their goal and nothing will deflect them from it, except perhaps an effective, logical argument why they should cease. What argument could Solas make that would be sufficiently convincing?
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Post by ellehaym on Aug 17, 2018 15:02:46 GMT
I wonder if the Dwarves will play a role. If we're going to Tevinter, I don't think the Orzammar dwarves will do much, but there is that Ambasadori dwarves in Minrathous and the Kal-Sharok. With Kal-Sharok once being the Dwarven capital and eventually isolated, maybe they might remember/kept more of their history? It's also speculated that they might have the Taint. With these dwarves not being connected to the fade + potentially having the Taint, Kal-Sharok dwarves could be a threat to Solas, but only if they consider him a threat.
Then there's Dagna and Sandal. Sandal is way too mysterious, but Flemeth might have spoken to him in his dreams back in DA2 (old lady with a scary laugh) and he was doing something in Vir Dirthara.
Given the events of Knight Errant, I get the impression we haven't seen the last of Red Lyrium. Could the Venatori have found a way to remove the corrupting influence of it? Dagna managed to do it. Unrelated, but Merrill was able to remove the taint in the Eluvian shard
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 17, 2018 15:41:50 GMT
Could the Venatori have found a way to remove the corrupting influence of it? More likely it has come to the attention of more than just the Venatori. Would Magisters who already dabble in blood magic behind closed doors really baulk at the way it corrupts the user if they can transform ordinary soldiers into behemoths? The Qun aided the Inquisition specifically because they wanted to stop it getting to Tevinter but it was already all over the place so there was little chance of that. I imagine there may be some underground bunker in Minrathous where they are growing the stuff.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 17, 2018 15:51:12 GMT
I also wonder how much the influence of the Venatori has spread. The magisters didn't want to help with that mess, even when they were following a Darkspawn who wanted to tear the veil and make himself a god. The thought of Red lyrium and Solas and all of his ancient elven knowledge in Tevinter, gives me the creeps.
Dorian was already all over the idea of Eluvians in Trespasser, and yes Eluvians could be great tools...but there's possibly a great number of things the magisters shouldn't put their greedy bloody hands on. It's like a country of Evil Merrills.
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Post by dazk on Aug 18, 2018 0:03:55 GMT
I also wonder how much the influence of the Venatori has spread. The magisters didn't want to help with that mess, even when they were following a Darkspawn who wanted to tear the veil and make himself a god. The thought of Red lyrium and Solas and all of his ancient elven knowledge in Tevinter, gives me the creeps. Dorian was already all over the idea of Eluvians in Trespasser, and yes Eluvians could be great tools...but there's possibly a great number of things the magisters shouldn't put their greedy bloody hands on. It's like a country of Evil Merrills. This made and especially as your avatar seems so apt in relation to Merrill and the line: "It's like a country of Evil Merrills."
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 21, 2018 2:55:43 GMT
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Post by Reznore on Aug 21, 2018 8:43:18 GMT
I guess there's a tiny bit of spoiler don't know if it was already known, but it's cool we get the following of Trespasser "let's look for people he doesn't know" although how much the mission will hold up to scrutiny, I wonder? The goal of the ex Inquisition is finding Solas. and I don't exactly remember how we went from Solas + Apocalypse = Tevinter in Trespasser.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 21, 2018 10:13:33 GMT
I believe that is the first time the Inquisition being involved has been officially discussed. Before that it was just a theory. I wonder how much Deception will help with the set up of the Inquisition going to Tevinter. I guess there's a tiny bit of spoiler don't know if it was already known, but it's cool we get the following of Trespasser "let's look for people he doesn't know" although how much the mission will hold up to scrutiny, I wonder? The goal of the ex Inquisition is finding Solas. and I don't exactly remember how we went from Solas + Apocalypse = Tevinter in Trespasser. If I were to guess, it's because Tevinter is located where the center of the ancient elven civilization was. For example Arlathan Forest is within Tevinter's borders. Then there is Tevinter taking a lot of ancient elven stuff to increase Tevinter's power. Also, I imagine Solas may use the Qun-Tevinter War as a cover for him and his people to operate under the radar since everyone not in the know would be focused on the war.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 23, 2018 19:30:10 GMT
I thought of a cool way they could tease the Inquisitor coming back as a protagonist in the comics. Imagine in the final panels after the plot of Deception is wrapped up Dorian or somebody is talking into the crystal and then there is a panel of the person on the other line and all you see is a prosthetic left hand.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 24, 2018 8:14:56 GMT
If I were to guess, it's because Tevinter is located where the center of the ancient elven civilization was. For example Arlathan Forest is within Tevinter's borders. Then there is Tevinter taking a lot of ancient elven stuff to increase Tevinter's power. Also, I imagine Solas may use the Qun-Tevinter War as a cover for him and his people to operate under the radar since everyone not in the know would be focused on the war. This is probably true although it is hard to say exactly where the centre of the elven empire was, particularly as much of it seemed to have been constructed, like the Crossroad, as a bridge between the world and the Fade. Of course it may not be mere coincidence that the actual place where the Inquisitor stabs the dagger is actually around the position of a city called Solas. After all if your mind was focussed on tracking down this person and you saw the name on a map, wouldn't you want to stab it? It also begs the question, why does a city in Tevinter have a name in the elven language and such a significant one at that? Compare it with the names given to all the other cities on the map and it is clearly incongruous. The Neromenians were at pains to remove all traces of the previous civilisation on which they built their strength and yet here is a name that links directly to it. Very odd indeed.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 20, 2018 1:22:12 GMT
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 20, 2018 2:25:42 GMT
Only three weeks to go until Issue 1 comes out.
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 2, 2018 20:45:24 GMT
Hullo Dorian. Looking forward to this Qunari disaster.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 3, 2018 13:59:09 GMT
I did not expect Olivia and Aaron having a romantic history together, albeit her just seducing him as a mark but developing feelings for him.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 3, 2018 18:20:43 GMT
I would guess that means Olivia is middle-aged, given that Ser Aaron looks fairly young in that flashback. She certainly looks a bit older.
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