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Post by Iddy on Aug 7, 2018 16:25:06 GMT
It occurred to me as I started re-reading the Masked Empire.
When you're playing an elven Warden or Inquisitor, most npcs and characters treat you with the utmost respect. The few bigots you meet will either immediately apologize or say it behind your back. There is such a great contrast between that and how the rest of the elves in the world are treated like animals.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Aug 7, 2018 17:20:20 GMT
It occurred to me as I started re-reading the Masked Empire. When you're playing an elven Warden or Inquisitor, most npcs and characters treat you with the utmost respect. The few bigots you meet will either immediately apologize or say it behind your back. There is such a great contrast between that and how the rest of the elves in the world are treated like animals. This is because, in the games, your title (Warden, Inquisitor) trumps all other considerations. It's similar with mages.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 7, 2018 17:45:47 GMT
It occurred to me as I started re-reading the Masked Empire. When you're playing an elven Warden or Inquisitor, most npcs and characters treat you with the utmost respect. The few bigots you meet will either immediately apologize or say it behind your back. There is such a great contrast between that and how the rest of the elves in the world are treated like animals. This is because, in the games, your title (Warden, Inquisitor) trumps all other considerations. It's similar with mages. Obviously. I just meant the contrast between them is pretty astounding.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 7, 2018 18:03:00 GMT
As a City Elf you only experience the difference after you have been made a Warden. During your origin story you get to experience the contempt and mistreatment that elves suffer on a daily basis. As a female elf you are referred to as a whore and forcibly abducted from your wedding. As a male elf you have to witness your fiancé, cousin and other female members of the wedding party referred to in the same way and their forcible abduction, whilst the Chantry sister officiating at the wedding does nothing to prevent this. When you reach Ostagar that merchant near the steps starts to order you around until you correct him and take issue with him over his implied treatment of elven servants.
A Dalish Warden has to put up with being called "rabbit" whilst at the Palace or risk getting themselves thrown out. You always start off at a lower level of approval than a human because of the prejudice against you. Josephine also tells you in the beginning about the negative stories circulating because you are a Dalish elf. They don't treat you as an animal but a monster who might sacrifice their children at any moment because that it is the nature of Chantry propaganda against the Dalish. So lack of open insults may be initially because they fear you.
On the whole though, you are never in a situation in which people can really show what they feel. You always have non-elves with you who are armed to the teeth and in Cassandra's case has the insignia of the Seekers to back this up. We never enter the backstreets of any city as Inquisitor, certainly not alone, so are unlikely to experience the sort of mistreatment that occurs there.
Plus it is evident how much of the dialogue was written with a human Inquisitor in mind. They were able to make some additions to account for different races but not enough to really bring out the difference in the way races are treated. A Vashoth Inquisitor ought to have suffered from prejudice and fear as well from the general populace but this doesn't happen either.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Aug 7, 2018 19:40:06 GMT
whilst the Chantry sister officiating at the wedding does nothing to prevent this. She protested. What else could she have done to prevent it?
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 7, 2018 20:30:54 GMT
She protested. What else could she have done to prevent it? A half hearted objection. She could have threatened him with the wrath of the Maker, considering religion is meant to mean something to these people. She could have screamed blue murder until someone responded and then send them after him. She could have found the nearest city guards and ordered them to intervene. She could even have called upon the Templars to act upon the sacrilege caused by Vaughan in breaking up the marriage ceremony in that way. Of course the fact is that the only time the Chantry ever seems to get really heated about something is when it involves mages. Nobility and City guards across Thedas seem to be able to act as they please against elves, including rape and murder, and yet they are never called to account for it either by the secular powers or the religious leaders. That is why Vaughan knew he could act as he did and in fact, as we are told, had done the same in the past. Then when we act to defend our women/ourselves because we are the only people who will, it is us who are considered in the wrong. I definitely felt the sense of powerlessness and injustice about the lot of the city elf in Thedas.
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Post by ellehaym on Aug 7, 2018 21:23:42 GMT
Isn't illegal to defend an elf in Ferelden?
Genitivi also says this about Denerim: "the walled-off Elven Alienage is so overpopulated that several purges have been required to keep order in the last decade alone"
I wonder just how common Purging Alienages are? Any type of uprising will result in a slaughter of elves. If they ask for amenities they still might get punished as can be seen in the comic "Knight Errand"where the Arl had a Vhenadahl cut because the elves wanted the walls enclosing them to be fixed/improved.
I thought Circles were bad, but even elves in the Ferelden Circle say that life is better in the circle. I feel sorry for city elves
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Post by boxofscreaming on Aug 7, 2018 22:02:15 GMT
She protested. What else could she have done to prevent it? A half hearted objection. She could have threatened him with the wrath of the Maker, considering religion is meant to mean something to these people. She could have screamed blue murder until someone responded and then send them after him. She could have found the nearest city guards and ordered them to intervene. She could even have called upon the Templars to act upon the sacrilege caused by Vaughan in breaking up the marriage ceremony in that way. I don't see it. With Cailan, Loghain and his father away at Ostagar, Vaughan was pretty much the ruler of Denerim and he had a squad of armed guards with him. I very much doubt she could have done anything. Note that Soris says she's the only priest who'll come to the alienage, so she's pretty sympathetic to the elves.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 7, 2018 22:36:14 GMT
Isn't illegal to defend an elf in Ferelden? Genitivi also says this about Denerim: "the walled-off Elven Alienage is so overpopulated that several purges have been required to keep order in the last decade alone" I thought Circles were bad, but even elves in the Ferelden Circle say that life is better in the circle. I feel sorry for city elves It's illegal to kill a human to defend an elf. I think that's the only specific law about defending elves. So theoretically I think you could punch someone out for drawing a knife on an elf. (Not that attempting a fight like that is the best idea.) But since Vaughn was the son of the Arl, and the acting Arl, there's other reasons nobody can legally stop him, or even try very hard. About the only thing Mother Boann could have done was tell Vaughn the Maker was watching, which I strongly doubt would have stopped him.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 8, 2018 7:13:05 GMT
The thing is this wasn't an isolated incidence and Vaughan taking advantage of the absence of his father and other people in authority. We are told he had done this before. So even if Mother Boann was not in a position to do anything about his actions on this occasion, she and other chantry sisters must have heard rumours about such things and should have made pointed remarks in public services about nobility abusing their position of power, even if they couldn't accuse Vaughan directly.
Remember that Anora was still in residence and we are told that she pretty much ran the country for Cailan anyway. So not all authority was absent. The reason we are forced to take matters into our own hands is because there is no one we can appeal to for justice. We know we are totally at the mercy of those who have power over us, which is pretty much everyone.
Loghain justifies his paranoia over Orlais by telling us of the things he witnessed when they were in occupation but for the elves things didn't improve once they were gone. Vaughan was behaving exactly the same as the Chevaliers do. Loghain sold elves into slavery and justifies it by saying they will have a better life there than in the alienage. Yet his daughter is responsible for those conditions. What makes it worse is that the Night Elves saved him and Maric and aided their rebellion but they did nothing to improve the lot of city elves once Maric was back in power.
I'd agree that it is telling that elves in the Circle will say that they are better off there. The treatment of elves is a real scandal for which there is no justification. A city elf Warden can achieve improvements but they don't last. The Inquisitor can put Briala in control of Gaspard but we know how that is likely to end. In any case, in Inquisition, this mistreatment of city elves is largely glossed over. If you had only played that game then you would think the most they had to complain about was a few insulting names. There is a reason that so many city elves end up being recruited by the Qun as agents and have no sense of loyalty towards their neighbours.
By beef with the Chantry is that they created this situation for the city elves and they could do something to bring about change. Eventually Leliana does but she is very much a radical on many issues and in any case to my mind simply restoring Shartan to the Chant and saying elves can be members of the clergy is not enough. The Divine needs to say that the mistreatment of elves is a crime in the eyes of the Maker. It is the sort of misuse of power that Andraste condemned. She should declare that they should be treated as equal citizens under the law. If she made such a statement then people who were genuine about their religion would take notice and encourage others to follow. Besides which, Leliana may not become Divine, in which case it is very much a case of normal conditions are maintained for the city elves with no improvement in sight.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 8, 2018 12:08:48 GMT
The casteless have been pretty much forgotten after Origins. I wonder if the future games will try to help them at all.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 8, 2018 14:16:36 GMT
It is probably why they avoided taking us anywhere near Orzammar. If Bhelen is King then he does bring about a degree of improvement for the casteless, whereas under Harrowmount they get nothing. However, I agree that they are another group that I was concerned about but if you had never played Origins you wouldn't know how badly they were treated.
To be honest in DAI you are in a sort of bubble when it comes to the wider world. You interact with people in certain locations but you don't really get a sense of how different communities live in the countries we visit or travel beneath. Codices and war table missions do not really substitute for actually experiencing conditions first hand.
I hope they make good that omission in the next game. If we are in Tevinter I want to see the best and worst of it, to see the luxury in which the Magisters live and the elven slums, see the dwarven Ambassadoria and the slave markets. I'm also hopeful of eventually seeing Qunadar, although that could present them with a bit of a challenge considering it is meant to be so different from the rest of Thedas. If we only touch on these societies, like we did in Val Royeaux, I shall be very disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 15:11:54 GMT
It occurred to me as I started re-reading the Masked Empire. When you're playing an elven Warden or Inquisitor, most npcs and characters treat you with the utmost respect. The few bigots you meet will either immediately apologize or say it behind your back. There is such a great contrast between that and how the rest of the elves in the world are treated like animals.
That's true to some extent. I just reached the point of Landsmeet and it struck me that Loghain addressed my Alianage elf with a lot fewer insults than he dished out towards my other characters.
That's odd, considering he doesn't seem to think them intelligent enough to even desire freedom.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 15:17:51 GMT
I hope they make good that omission in the next game. If we are in Tevinter I want to see the best and worst of it, to see the luxury in which the Magisters live and the elven slums, see the dwarven Ambassadoria and the slave markets. I'm also hopeful of eventually seeing Qunadar, although that could present them with a bit of a challenge considering it is meant to be so different from the rest of Thedas. If we only touch on these societies, like we did in Val Royeaux, I shall be very disappointed. I hope they will do in DA4 what they have done in DAO. I hope there will be a starter story for each hero. Magister and slave origins in Tevinter are two starting points and hopefully more.
These starter stories have made the rest of the game so different and easy to relate to on the personal level rather than it being ambiguously referred to like it is in DAI. Those starter points also gave so much insight into the cultures you as the Warden later visit for the main story line.
I also seriously hope it IS Tevinter. Thanks to Dorian I really want to see it. I imagine it's an ancient culture with lots of city architecture that's hopefully gorgeous to behold.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 9, 2018 1:55:56 GMT
I hope they make good that omission in the next game. If we are in Tevinter I want to see the best and worst of it, to see the luxury in which the Magisters live and the elven slums, see the dwarven Ambassadoria and the slave markets. I'm also hopeful of eventually seeing Qunadar, although that could present them with a bit of a challenge considering it is meant to be so different from the rest of Thedas. If we only touch on these societies, like we did in Val Royeaux, I shall be very disappointed. I hope they will do in DA4 what they have done in DAO. I hope there will be a starter story for each hero. Magister and slave origins in Tevinter are two starting points and hopefully more.
These starter stories have made the rest of the game so different and easy to relate to on the personal level rather than it being ambiguously referred to like it is in DAI. Those starter points also gave so much insight into the cultures you as the Warden later visit for the main story line.
I also seriously hope it IS Tevinter. Thanks to Dorian I really want to see it. I imagine it's an ancient culture with lots of city architecture that's hopefully gorgeous to behold. There is a problem with the origin stories: They take a lot of effort in order to write something that will only really matter to players who play more than one playthrough on the single player game. After all, think about it: What else are multiple origins to someone who only plays once? EA's business model has been gravitating towards the multiplayer/microtransaction focused. I don't think they'll greenlight something like that in BioWARE just because of how focused they are on it (and it's the player's fault too. We incentivise this behavior by paying for it) I hope we go to Tevinter as well, but there is one glaring problem: Tevinter is meant to be foreign to the rest of Thedas: Magic is performed openly, things tend to be more geared towards grand old monuments. Someone who grew up there: Magister or slave or whatnot, is not going to look at this as weird. But we the players would (and should, give the lore). How can we be so duck out of water if the character grew up there? We'd have to be a foreigner.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 9, 2018 3:54:32 GMT
I hope they will do in DA4 what they have done in DAO. I hope there will be a starter story for each hero. Magister and slave origins in Tevinter are two starting points and hopefully more.
These starter stories have made the rest of the game so different and easy to relate to on the personal level rather than it being ambiguously referred to like it is in DAI. Those starter points also gave so much insight into the cultures you as the Warden later visit for the main story line.
I also seriously hope it IS Tevinter. Thanks to Dorian I really want to see it. I imagine it's an ancient culture with lots of city architecture that's hopefully gorgeous to behold. There is a problem with the origin stories: They take a lot of effort in order to write something that will only really matter to players who play more than one playthrough on the single player game. After all, think about it: What else are multiple origins to someone who only plays once? EA's business model has been gravitating towards the multiplayer/microtransaction focused. I don't think they'll greenlight something like that in BioWARE just because of how focused they are on it (and it's the player's fault too. We incentivise this behavior by paying for it) I hope we go to Tevinter as well, but there is one glaring problem: Tevinter is meant to be foreign to the rest of Thedas: Magic is performed openly, things tend to be more geared towards grand old monuments. Someone who grew up there: Magister or slave or whatnot, is not going to look at this as weird. But we the players would (and should, give the lore). How can we be so duck out of water if the character grew up there? We'd have to be a foreigner. Yeah. Bioware has even made sure to do that with every Dragon Age game so far. In Inquisition you were either a noble, a Circle mage, a Vashoth, a Carta Dwarf, or Dalish all from the Free Marches so foreign to things in Ferelden and Orlais. In DA2 it was the opposite where you were from Ferelden so foreign to the Free Marches. Even in DAO you were a foreigner either being from Orzammar, the Circle, a Dalish clan, or an Alienage all of which while in Ferelden are separate from most of society. Even the Human Noble origin had you be the sheltered younger sibling so not really exposed to much of Ferelden.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 9, 2018 8:38:43 GMT
This was why I thought a slave origin would work best as you could be a fairly recent capture, so the setting is alien to you, but then right in the thick of it. As it would be strange to you, you would need to learn as much as you could in order to survive the system and progress. Any race could be a slave, even dwarves. People say that this would offend the Ambassadoria but not if they were surface dwarves since they regard them as casteless and non people anyway. Mages can also be slaves so every class could be a slave too. Even without actual origin stories, to vary the background according to race and status would require a lot of work. I would also like just once for the human protagonist not to be from a noble background.
Otherwise, if you are a foreigner there is not a reason for us to be in Tevinter that would be consistent for all races. (I always thought it was pushing it a bit that a Dalish from the Freemarches would travel all the way to Haven or even be aware of the Exalted Council taking place. Security seemed awful lax for us to be allowed that close to the actual Divine as well.) Most elves and Vashoth from outside Tevinter are not likely to want to travel there without being forced to. It is possible the excuse is that we are working for the Shadow Inquisition. I'm not in favour of that though. If we are not playing the Inquisitor then I think the SI is an organisation that we should encounter after we begin the game. It is possible that they want to recruit us but I don't think we should start off that way because then we would know too much about the organisation and they could not enlighten totally new players without it seeming odd.
Still I agree that if you are a native of Tevinter then it would seem strange for you to be constantly asking questions about a society you grew up in.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 9, 2018 9:17:01 GMT
It occurred to me as I started re-reading the Masked Empire. When you're playing an elven Warden or Inquisitor, most npcs and characters treat you with the utmost respect. The few bigots you meet will either immediately apologize or say it behind your back. There is such a great contrast between that and how the rest of the elves in the world are treated like animals. Resources. You get a few lines that acknowledge your character being an elf, and they can't be too disrespectful because that would clash with the shared dialogue that all characters regardless of race are getting.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 9, 2018 15:20:53 GMT
BioWare doesn't handle bigotry well, just generally speaking. The events in Masked Empire should have killed any chance of Briala and Celene getting back together. "You committed literal genocide against my people for no good fucking reason, but you kept my necklace, so I wub you again." But I guess they can't actually portray the brutal reality of oppression in the games; mostly because they don't seem to actually understand it, but also because they allow players to commit similar atrocities in the games themselves, which means they need to coddle them from consequences and create flimsy excuses for why it was okay, because the audience of mostly terrible people who play BioWare games will bitch if they get called out in-game for their own monstrous actions. SJWs ruinin mah mature gray morality dark edgy blah blah with their sense of basic decency, etc.
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Post by Walter Black on Aug 9, 2018 20:37:44 GMT
BioWare doesn't handle bigotry well, just generally speaking. The events in Masked Empire should have killed any chance of Briala and Celene getting back together. "You committed literal genocide against my people for no good fucking reason, but you kept my necklace, so I wub you again. Credit where it's due, I agree wholeheartedly with this. If Patrick Weekes really wanted to improve lesbian representation in Dragon Age, he would have had Briala move on to healthy relationship with a woman better for her than Celene could ever be. Instead of what he actually did, making her stupid enough to take back her abuser . First you blast Bioware for having "triggering" content in an M rated game we all knew was going to be dark and complex, then you complain that it's not dark enough? So which is it? You can't have it both ways. Not everyone chooses, or even can process trauma the same way, or expect everyone else to deal with it as they do. Yes, how dare Bioware allow players fictional choices to shape their characters as they see fit in a roleplaying game . Or should they simply scrap roleplaying altogether, offering PCs with set personalities based only on how you think they should act?
You mean like how so many in-universe characters still sang the praises of Hawkes who aided and abetted a mass murdering terrorist? I guess it's different when it's your favorite characters and causes . Speaking purely for myself, playing Stupid Evil pixel characters who wantonly slaughter other pixel characters is boring. Those of who actually roleplay, instead of simply repeating self inserts ad infinitum, do so to explore collaborative storytelling with the creators. Sometimes these characters are ruthlessly ambitious, but other times they're angry and bitter from abuse and only care about protecting their own. Sometimes they start as good people in over they're heads, and make tragic mistakes. Personally, I do want in-game characters to call them out, for them to lose allies and resources and gain more enemies. I want to see the different character and plot developments, and new strategies required in this harder game. I want the whole tale of that character's rise and fall, whether they can be redeemed, or if they even want to be. And this is coming from someone who usually plays good guys .
Looking back, I'm beginning to think all of these points are merely symptomatic of a greater issue; in the past you have stated you find DA's lore derivative, that you don't like most of the characters or tone or writer choices. If most of the franchise causes you so much more dismay that joy, why follow it? Wouldn't be healthier to spend your time and energy on something you actually like?
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 9, 2018 20:52:14 GMT
I don't like Stupid Evil characters. If i want to chuckle at it that badly, I can YouTube it, someone will have put it up at some point.
Briala and Celene are a really bad example of lesbians. But honestly, both of them are such bad people that they deserve each other. Now if only the Inquisitor could feel that way.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 9, 2018 20:59:26 GMT
This was why I thought a slave origin would work best as you could be a fairly recent capture, so the setting is alien to you, but then right in the thick of it. As it would be strange to you, you would need to learn as much as you could in order to survive the system and progress. Any race could be a slave, even dwarves. People say that this would offend the Ambassadoria but not if they were surface dwarves since they regard them as casteless and non people anyway. Mages can also be slaves so every class could be a slave too. Even without actual origin stories, to vary the background according to race and status would require a lot of work. I would also like just once for the human protagonist not to be from a noble background. Otherwise, if you are a foreigner there is not a reason for us to be in Tevinter that would be consistent for all races. (I always thought it was pushing it a bit that a Dalish from the Freemarches would travel all the way to Haven or even be aware of the Exalted Council taking place. Security seemed awful lax for us to be allowed that close to the actual Divine as well.) Most elves and Vashoth from outside Tevinter are not likely to want to travel there without being forced to. It is possible the excuse is that we are working for the Shadow Inquisition. I'm not in favour of that though. If we are not playing the Inquisitor then I think the SI is an organisation that we should encounter after we begin the game. It is possible that they want to recruit us but I don't think we should start off that way because then we would know too much about the organisation and they could not enlighten totally new players without it seeming odd. Still I agree that if you are a native of Tevinter then it would seem strange for you to be constantly asking questions about a society you grew up in. The slave rags to riches story has been done to death, though. It's far too cliche for me. I can think of several reason to be in Tevinter, of course, it relies on what the general plot of the game is about. If there's a qunari invasion, there are literally multiple reasons I can think of (Crows hired to attack, Orlesian bards keeping tabs)
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Post by Walter Black on Aug 9, 2018 21:15:02 GMT
This was why I thought a slave origin would work best as you could be a fairly recent capture, so the setting is alien to you, but then right in the thick of it. As it would be strange to you, you would need to learn as much as you could in order to survive the system and progress. Any race could be a slave, even dwarves. People say that this would offend the Ambassadoria but not if they were surface dwarves since they regard them as casteless and non people anyway. Mages can also be slaves so every class could be a slave too. Even without actual origin stories, to vary the background according to race and status would require a lot of work. I would also like just once for the human protagonist not to be from a noble background. Otherwise, if you are a foreigner there is not a reason for us to be in Tevinter that would be consistent for all races. (I always thought it was pushing it a bit that a Dalish from the Freemarches would travel all the way to Haven or even be aware of the Exalted Council taking place. Security seemed awful lax for us to be allowed that close to the actual Divine as well.) Most elves and Vashoth from outside Tevinter are not likely to want to travel there without being forced to. It is possible the excuse is that we are working for the Shadow Inquisition. I'm not in favour of that though. If we are not playing the Inquisitor then I think the SI is an organisation that we should encounter after we begin the game. It is possible that they want to recruit us but I don't think we should start off that way because then we would know too much about the organisation and they could not enlighten totally new players without it seeming odd. Still I agree that if you are a native of Tevinter then it would seem strange for you to be constantly asking questions about a society you grew up in. The slave rags to riches story has been done to death, though. It's far too cliche for me. Nihil novi sub sole. Once you get to a certain point, every story has been done to death. The only thing you can do is try putting an interesting spin, and/or switch some the tropes and archetypes.
Personally, I think having us start Dragon Age 4 as a slave to a high ranking Magister (preferably the Archon)would be a good way to centralize the Origin for all races and classes. We're high enough to be familiar with all the major players and Tevinter customs, but still low enough to need to work for our Hero's Journey. Unlike the Inquisitor, we might actually be able to interact and have quests with potential family this time.
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 9, 2018 21:19:02 GMT
Try playing a City Elf in DAO. You get a pretty good idea of how bad it is to be an elf in Thedas.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 9, 2018 21:19:28 GMT
The slave rags to riches story has been done to death, though. It's far too cliche for me. Nihil novi sub sole. Once you get to a certain point, every story has been done to death. The only thing you can do is try putting an interesting spin, and/or switch some the tropes and archetypes.
Personally, I think having us start Dragon Age 4 as a slave to a high ranking Magister (preferably the Archon)would be a good way to centralize the Origin for all races and classes. We're high enough to be familiar with all the major players and Tevinter customs, but still low enough to need to work for our Hero's Journey. Unlike the Inquisitor, we might actually be able to interact and have quests with potential family this time.
But slaves are not taught to read. Are they going to do a Kingdom Come: Deliverance vibe? Better not, VICE will get triggered.
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