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Post by sjsharp2010 on Oct 16, 2019 20:43:02 GMT
You can vote for the plot MEA2 revolving around Cerberus but then you lose your rights to complain about them in ME3. I don't tend to complain about them in ME3... but I would never vote for another plot revolving around Cerberus in any future ME game... and I'm not even interested in a Jack Harper based prequel either. The Cerberus plot jumped the shark ages ago. Yep it did.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 16, 2019 21:27:46 GMT
I rather have a ME: Post Reaper War Milk Way game that deals with Cerberus rebuilding themselves than having a MEA2 revolving around Cerberus. That could happen. Look at the ex-Cerberus scientists in the side mission involving Taylor. They were doing good until TIM decided they needed to be removed. Put in a new leader, and Cerberus would be great as it was in ME2. Miranda could lead them. She rebuilds Cronos. Cerberus eventually becomes great again. My Shepard would support her. I imagine they wouldn't be called Cerberus anymore, to get away from the stigma that would exist with the name. After the events of ME3, I don't suppose there would even be a separate organization like this. All human governments and organizations would be decimated. They would probably just consolidate their resources at least for the short term.
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Post by cipher on Oct 17, 2019 11:33:34 GMT
Not sure about Andromeda...
I know I just want an actually hard sci-fi space epic ala ME 1, that's serious in tone and strong on story. That being said, I'd rather have the themes be on exploration and pushing the boundaries of what truly can be alien within the setting.
That seems so much more interesting to me than human terrorist in space, or generic alien villains. Let conflict be a grey area, born out of misunderstanding of the complexities of alien life. You can still throw the typical space pirate in-between and political jargon every now and then.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Oct 17, 2019 12:31:08 GMT
Instead of Cerberus which is played out. How about a faction already in MEA the Firefighters (maybe change their name)? I think that an anti-artificial intelligence faction of Nexus races and angara, who don't like the SAMs, the Remnant, and Jaardan is more interesting than space Neo-Nazis. Now regardless of how Ryder handled them in the first game they could be brought back with a new leader and make them more of a threat who do have a logical concerns about the Nexus' use of AI and make the Jaardan an AI race that only interacts through tech screens (like in ME2: Overlord) and as an agenda of their own, and maybe the Jaardan can offer the SAMs more than the Nexus can and if you want have some geth on board the quarian ark and have Ryder in the middle trying to figure out what to do.
As long as Ryder isn't forced by the story to work with or join them like how Shepard was forced to work with Cerberus in ME2 I think this could be a much more interesting and thought-provoking ideas of what is life, and the pros and cons of AI and trans-humanism.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 17, 2019 12:59:25 GMT
Instead of Cerberus which is played out. How about a faction already in MEA the Firefighters (maybe change their name)? I think that an anti-artificial intelligence faction of Nexus races and angara, who don't like the SAMs, the Remnant, and Jaardan is more interesting than space Neo-Nazis. Now regardless of how Ryder handled them in the first game they could be brought back with a new leader and make them more of a threat who do have a logical concerns about the Nexus' use of AI and make the Jaardan an AI race that only interacts through tech screens (like in ME2: Overlord) and as an agenda of their own, and maybe the Jaardan can offer the SAMs more than the Nexus can and if you want have some geth on board the quarian ark and have Ryder in the middle trying to figure out what to do. My memory isn't as fresh on some of these factions as you probably are, but didn't we, like, dispatch them once already? I don't see these relatively small factions gaining enough traction in Andromeda to pose a significant threat. The greatest force remaining in Andromeda, as I see it, is the Nexus itself and under some ruthless and efficient leadership, they could make for an imposing foe, something that none of the other factions seem up to the task. At least, not unless you rewrite them into a super power that we just didn't know/heard of, a la Cerberus in ME2. Meanwhile, we built up the Nexus ourselves, bolstered it and established it as a dominant force in the explored regions of Andromeda. That doesn't mean that these factions shouldn't/won't emerge in the sequel, but it would be a little far fetched to take center stage, i.e. I can't seem them logically turning into a big bad and substantial threat. The Nexus, on the other hand, works like the story of Ultima, where the virtues exemplified by the Avatar, get twisted into blasphemy. It also serves as a medium to expose the weaknesses of a meritocracy, as the chain of command is built in the Nexus, where being good at your job would get you further up in the command chain, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are a good person, or fit for command. As long as Ryder isn't forced by the story to work with or join them like how Shepard was forced to work with Cerberus in ME2 I think this could be a much more interesting and thought-provoking ideas of what is life, and the pros and cons of AI and trans-humanism. We won't be forced to work for anyone. Initially, we won't even understand what is going on. We will only come across some disturbing clues here and there, before we start piecing things together. As for the ideas of life, trans-humanism and AI, didn't we just do that, supposedly, in the OT? Isn't the point of Andromeda to not be redoing the OT again? Isn't that why we dropped everything we liked and was established in the OT and the Milky Way?
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Post by themikefest on Oct 17, 2019 13:00:57 GMT
My Shepard was never forced to work with Cerberus. She/he was glad to work with them to find out why the colonists were being taken and to deal with the enemy who was taking the colonists.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 13:07:27 GMT
Instead of Cerberus which is played out. How about a faction already in MEA the Firefighters (maybe change their name)? I think that an anti-artificial intelligence faction of Nexus races and angara, who don't like the SAMs, the Remnant, and Jaardan is more interesting than space Neo-Nazis. Now regardless of how Ryder handled them in the first game they could be brought back with a new leader and make them more of a threat who do have a logical concerns about the Nexus' use of AI and make the Jaardan an AI race that only interacts through tech screens (like in ME2: Overlord) and as an agenda of their own, and maybe the Jaardan can offer the SAMs more than the Nexus can and if you want have some geth on board the quarian ark and have Ryder in the middle trying to figure out what to do.
As long as Ryder isn't forced by the story to work with or join them like how Shepard was forced to work with Cerberus in ME2 I think this could be a much more interesting and thought-provoking ideas of what is life, and the pros and cons of AI and trans-humanism. The concern I have with pretty much any splinter faction that comes out of the AI is the low population numbers in the AI itself. It seems counterproductive to be killing off AI members in hordes of mooks. I'd like to see an anti-AI faction emerge from the Angara and put the alliance between them and the Initiative at risk... perhaps in reaction to an emerging interest in AI research within Angaran ranks... spurred by the discovery of the Ancient Angaran AI on Voeld (with acknowledged variations depending on how Ryder dealt with her). in addition, it would allow for the inclusion of Angara who are less like "pussycats" and more like "jaguars"... perhaps with the knowledge of the cluster and contacts to draw other new Andromeda species to their cause... perhaps emerging from the exploited Angarans on Kadara who also have a lot of other reasons to hate the AI due to Sloane's invasion and management of the port there. This could be exacerbated by a revelation that the scourge was caused somehow by the Initiative's scanning of the cluster 600 years earlier... using geth (AI) technology.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Oct 17, 2019 13:16:11 GMT
Instead of Cerberus which is played out. How about a faction already in MEA the Firefighters (maybe change their name)? I think that an anti-artificial intelligence faction of Nexus races and angara, who don't like the SAMs, the Remnant, and Jaardan is more interesting than space Neo-Nazis. Now regardless of how Ryder handled them in the first game they could be brought back with a new leader and make them more of a threat who do have a logical concerns about the Nexus' use of AI and make the Jaardan an AI race that only interacts through tech screens (like in ME2: Overlord) and as an agenda of their own, and maybe the Jaardan can offer the SAMs more than the Nexus can and if you want have some geth on board the quarian ark and have Ryder in the middle trying to figure out what to do.
As long as Ryder isn't forced by the story to work with or join them like how Shepard was forced to work with Cerberus in ME2 I think this could be a much more interesting and thought-provoking ideas of what is life, and the pros and cons of AI and trans-humanism. The concern I have with pretty much any splinter faction that comes out of the AI is the low population numbers in the AI itself. It seems counterproductive to be killing off AI members in hordes of mooks. I'd like to see an anti-AI faction emerge from the Angara and put the alliance between them and the Initiative at risk... perhaps in reaction to an emerging interest in AI research within Angaran ranks... spurred by the discovery of the Ancient Angaran AI on Voeld (with acknowledged variations depending on how Ryder dealt with her). in addition, it would allow for the inclusion of Angara who are less like "pussycats" and more like "jaguars"... perhaps with the knowledge of the cluster and contacts to draw other new Andromeda species to their cause... perhaps emerging from the exploited Angarans on Kadara who also have a lot of other reasons to hate the AI due to Sloane's invasion and management of the port there. This could be exacerbated by a revelation that the scourge was caused somehow by the Initiative's scanning of the cluster 600 years earlier... using geth (AI) technology. Not sure whethe rthat would work necessarily becvause from what I remember in the mission wher we go t othat space statoin near the end of the game Khi Tesira it's said the scourge began there.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 17, 2019 13:19:27 GMT
My Shepard was never forced to work with Cerberus. She/he was glad to work with them to find out why the colonists were being taken and to deal with the enemy who was taking the colonists. Well, technically, that was true for all Shepards, sans some mild protesting. It's the players that were forced to go along with it.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Oct 17, 2019 13:35:59 GMT
My Shepard was never forced to work with Cerberus. She/he was glad to work with them to find out why the colonists were being taken and to deal with the enemy who was taking the colonists. Well, good for you. I prefer my Shepard not to be a braindead pet of racist maniac who looks like a Husk and apparently can't keep his personal army of Mengeles from blowing themselves up. Well, technically, that was true for all Shepards, sans some mild protesting. It's the players that were forced to go along with it. Yeah, and that's why I tent to bitch some much about ME2. I don't enjoy fighting my own characters in dialogue. ... Regarding your plot idea, you did not provide any reason for Cora's turn apart from being named Harper is "no coincidence". Being related to the husk-eyed maniac? So it seems to me that is is all about Cerberus (or TIM) for you, yet again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 13:41:58 GMT
The concern I have with pretty much any splinter faction that comes out of the AI is the low population numbers in the AI itself. It seems counterproductive to be killing off AI members in hordes of mooks. I'd like to see an anti-AI faction emerge from the Angara and put the alliance between them and the Initiative at risk... perhaps in reaction to an emerging interest in AI research within Angaran ranks... spurred by the discovery of the Ancient Angaran AI on Voeld (with acknowledged variations depending on how Ryder dealt with her). in addition, it would allow for the inclusion of Angara who are less like "pussycats" and more like "jaguars"... perhaps with the knowledge of the cluster and contacts to draw other new Andromeda species to their cause... perhaps emerging from the exploited Angarans on Kadara who also have a lot of other reasons to hate the AI due to Sloane's invasion and management of the port there. This could be exacerbated by a revelation that the scourge was caused somehow by the Initiative's scanning of the cluster 600 years earlier... using geth (AI) technology. Not sure whethe rthat would work necessarily becvause from what I remember in the mission wher we go t othat space statoin near the end of the game Khi Tesira it's said the scourge began there. Yep... at about the time the Jaardan were attacked by ???... and it is a theory. A theory to which the possible answer as to who/what attacked the Jaardan is an unknown alien force from another galaxy carried to Andromeda via a "telescope." (geth intelligences/programs who uploaded themselves into their own carrier device).
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Post by themikefest on Oct 17, 2019 13:43:57 GMT
My Shepard was never forced to work with Cerberus. She/he was glad to work with them to find out why the colonists were being taken and to deal with the enemy who was taking the colonists. Well, good for you. I prefer my Shepard not to be a braindead pet of racist maniac who looks like a Husk and apparently can't keep his personal army of Mengeles from blowing themselves up. That's right. It's good for me. Learning that the Alliance and the so-called characters who were helping chase Saren in ME1 were doing a whole lot of nothing for 2 years, it was easy to work with Cerberus. The same ones who brought Shepard back to life. The same ones who built a much better ship to use and because of them, get the chance to destroy the reapers.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 17, 2019 13:45:16 GMT
The concern I have with pretty much any splinter faction that comes out of the AI is the low population numbers in the AI itself. It seems counterproductive to be killing off AI members in hordes of mooks. We won't be, for most of the game. We will still be fighting Kett, for the most part. I'd like to see an anti-AI faction emerge from the Angara and put the alliance between them and the Initiative at risk... perhaps in reaction to an emerging interest in AI research within Angaran ranks... spurred by the discovery of the Ancient Angaran AI on Voeld (with acknowledged variations depending on how Ryder dealt with her). But the Angara are even less competent and advanced than the Kett, or the Nexus. The idea that a splinter group of an underdeveloped faction can rise to prominence in a way that poses a threat to either the Nexus, the Angara governing body or the Kett ranges from improbable to impossible. Not unless an all new, all powerful macguffin comes into play to wildly shift the balance, in some way. But that just comes off a forced, shallow solution to a problem that doesn't even exist. in addition, it would allow for the inclusion of Angara who are less like "pussycats" and more like "jaguars"... perhaps with the knowledge of the cluster and contacts to draw other new Andromeda species to their cause... I don't know how this splinter Angara, again, without some huge, balance shifting macguffin, be able to escape the Kett, undermine the Nexus, scour the galaxy, without anyone noticing, find a large enough force of other, as of yet undiscovered aliens and ensure an alliance, that they would readily be in favour to send significant military help, for what purpose, exactly? I've thought of something like that myself, but I can't realistically come up with a reason why anyone would pledge allegiance to such a cause for no visible reward to them. Unless the splinter Angara enslave them, but to be enslaved by the splinter Angara, would mean they are a weak faction to begin with. And if they need to go around half of Andromeda enslaving race after race to amass such a force, that's going to take time and how are they going to keep a hold over such a large territory, since enslavement to work, it needs to be enforced by someone. How large would this splinter Angara group have to be, in order to sustain that? Unreasonably large for them to be considered "splinter", at that point. Wouldn't you agree? perhaps emerging from the exploited Angarans on Kadara who also have a lot of other reasons to hate the AI due to Sloane's invasion and management of the port there. That sounds like a local dispute that can be solved as a side quest. This could be exacerbated by a revelation that the scourge was caused somehow by the Initiative's scanning of the cluster 600 years earlier... using geth (AI) technology. While this idea never crossed my mind, why would a telescopic view of the galaxy, as far as I can understand it, trigger any event in Andromeda?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 17, 2019 14:04:28 GMT
Regarding your plot idea, you did not provide any reason for Cora's turn apart from being named Harper is "no coincidence". Being related to the husk-eyed maniac? So it seems to me that is is all about Cerberus (or TIM) for you, yet again. The whole premise is to explain all those unusual "accidents" that happen to the Initiative on the way to Andromeda, all those casualties that weakened command as not the Initiative being run by incompetents that failed to make contingency protocols to prevent such a thing happening, but infiltration of an outside faction that plotted the entire thing. We could have it be a Turian supremacist group, or an Asari supremacist group etc. but none of that was introduced in the OT, so it's just going to look as an ass pull. Furthermore, we won't know any of these people are Cerberus, until it gets revealed, near the end of the game. There won't be any flamboyant military groups with Cerberus insignia on them parading around, nor will we be fighting them at any point. The fact that they are Cerberus is entirely besides the point, it's a plot device, but it provides us with a vehicle to forward the plot in an interesting way and, eventually, expand the galaxy in a meaningful way.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Oct 17, 2019 14:37:44 GMT
Well, good for you. I prefer my Shepard not to be a braindead pet of racist maniac who looks like a Husk and apparently can't keep his personal army of Mengeles from blowing themselves up. That's right. It's good for me. Learning that the Alliance and the so-called characters who were helping chase Saren in ME1 were doing a whole lot of nothing for 2 years, it was easy to work with Cerberus. The same ones who brought Shepard back to life. The same ones who built a much better ship to use and because of them, get the chance to destroy the reapers. Well, I don't owe a wookiee left debt to someone who basically revived me in order to make me into the Mass Effect equivalent of skeletal/zombie warrior. Instead of some control chip as proposed by Miranda, we just got BS railroading. I guess a control chip would have been better.
You seem to be really stuck in the cozy propaganda bubble that TIM has set up. "Much better ship" is up to debate. It's big AF, making shuttles necessary. From a stricly "get the job done"-sense, it has useless upgrades like the observation deck and oversized captain's cabin that are just there to make Shepard feel cozy and less likely to raise very warranted objections. It fies around the galaxy brandishing a phat logo that should get you shot on apporaching the Citadel. We got a crew who is either not necessary (If they get abducted, the ship still runs fine ) or just ill-informed (or braindead cheerleaders). We got some "self appointed second in command" (Miranda) who undermines Shepard's authority, needlessly provokes squad members (Jack) makes largely meaningless interjections and offers nothing interesting, besides her butt perhaps, but that is up to debate. On another note, is there any squad member apart from apparently Miranda and Javik which you don't seem to hate? Regarding your plot idea, you did not provide any reason for Cora's turn apart from being named Harper is "no coincidence". Being related to the husk-eyed maniac? So it seems to me that is is all about Cerberus (or TIM) for you, yet again. The whole premise is to explain all those unusual "accidents" that happen to the Initiative on the way to Andromeda, all those casualties that weakened command as not the Initiative being run by incompetents that failed to make contingency protocols to prevent such a thing happening, but infiltration of an outside faction that plotted the entire thing. We could have it be a Turian supremacist group, or an Asari supremacist group etc. but none of that was introduced in the OT, so it's just going to look as an ass pull. Furthermore, we won't know any of these people are Cerberus, until it gets revealed, near the end of the game. There won't be any flamboyant military groups with Cerberus insignia on them parading around, nor will we be fighting them at any point. The fact that they are Cerberus is entirely besides the point, it's a plot device, but it provides us with a vehicle to forward the plot in an interesting way and, eventually, expand the galaxy in a meaningful way. Does it matter? If a player who's not keen on Cerberus BS finds out later, they might demand a refund because they got yet another Cerberus plot. Apart from that, Cerberus is one frickin' giant ass-pull since ME2 and they never managed to become interesting or something, except for some zealous fans (who are either trolls or insane apparently). I gather that the meaningful expansion you want to have is the "uneasy kett alliance"? If simply searching for a plot device, what about some indoctrinated Reaper pets, as in "nobody escapes the harvest"?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 17, 2019 15:07:17 GMT
Does it matter? If a player who's not keen on Cerberus BS finds out later, they might demand a refund because they got yet another Cerberus plot. Apart from that, Cerberus is one frickin' giant ass-pull since ME2 and they never managed to become interesting or something, except for some zealous fans (who are either trolls or insane apparently). I gather that the meaningful expansion you want to have is the "uneasy kett alliance"? If simply searching for a plot device, what about some indoctrinated Reaper pets, as in "nobody escapes the harvest"? There won't be any overt 'umanity first themes. Maybe some talking down from the humans that have inserted themselves in the hierarchy structure, but nothing outright racist. As far as we know, they are just some very capable, but not exactly kind people. And just to show how covert it all was, even Cora would betray you, a traitor to the Initiative, right under your nose. Predictable? Maybe. A little. However, the point isn't just to have the "uneasy kett alliance". We'd go further than that, with the trilogy finale and I would go into it some more, but do you want me to?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2019 15:12:54 GMT
I still think any shadow organization among the AI should be the Benefactor as a kind of Illuminati group. They brought us to Andromeda for some reason, and I think it goes beyond just escaping the Reapers since if it was just that there was no reason to kill Jien Garson.
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Post by natetrace on Oct 17, 2019 15:25:07 GMT
Does it matter? If a player who's not keen on Cerberus BS finds out later, they might demand a refund because they got yet another Cerberus plot. Apart from that, Cerberus is one frickin' giant ass-pull since ME2 and they never managed to become interesting or something, except for some zealous fans (who are either trolls or insane apparently). I gather that the meaningful expansion you want to have is the "uneasy kett alliance"? If simply searching for a plot device, what about some indoctrinated Reaper pets, as in "nobody escapes the harvest"? There won't be any overt 'umanity first themes. Maybe some talking down from the humans that have inserted themselves in the hierarchy structure, but nothing outright racist. As far as we know, they are just some very capable, but not exactly kind people. And just to show how covert it all was, even Cora would betray you, a traitor to the Initiative, right under your nose. Predictable? Maybe. A little. However, the point isn't just to have the "uneasy kett alliance". We'd go further than that, with the trilogy finale and I would go into it some more, but do you want me to? Clearly Liam is the most likely to betray you. His goofiness and incompetence? Only a cover. Working with the angara? Just trying to get Ryder killed. His couch? It has a rectal scanner built in. Oh Liam you dastardly fellow!
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 17, 2019 15:35:27 GMT
I still think any shadow organization among the AI should be the Benefactor as a kind of Illuminati group. They brought us to Andromeda for some reason, and I think it goes beyond just escaping the Reapers since if it was just that there was no reason to kill Jien Garson. Like I said, it would be weird to have an organization without any prior introduction suddenly popping up and usurping power. I mean, we could, but everyone's and their mother's reactions would be "who?" and that just kills the twist.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 17, 2019 15:37:06 GMT
Clearly Liam is the most likely to betray you. His goofiness and incompetence? Only a cover. Working with the angara? Just trying to get Ryder killed. His couch? It has a rectal scanner built in. Oh Liam you dastardly fellow! I'd have other plans for Liam, but sure.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2019 15:41:31 GMT
I still think any shadow organization among the AI should be the Benefactor as a kind of Illuminati group. They brought us to Andromeda for some reason, and I think it goes beyond just escaping the Reapers since if it was just that there was no reason to kill Jien Garson. Like I said, it would be weird to have an organization without any prior introduction suddenly popping up and usurping power. I mean, we could, but everyone's and their mother's reactions would be "who?" and that just kills the twist. Except they wouldn’t suddenly be popping up. There is a whole questline about them in MEA. The Andromeda Initiative would not have happened without their intervention.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 17, 2019 15:53:40 GMT
Except they wouldn’t suddenly be popping up. There is a whole questline about them in MEA. The Andromeda Initiative would not have happened without their intervention. But that doesn't make sense. As the Benefactor, they have the funding to do so from the start. They can plant whoever they want, wherever they want in the Initiative and do it openly. Chances are, if there were plants from the benefactor, they are the ones that died when the "accidents" happened.
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Post by Vortex13 on Oct 17, 2019 16:36:50 GMT
Not sure about Andromeda... I know I just want an actually hard sci-fi space epic ala ME 1, that's serious in tone and strong on story. That being said, I'd rather have the themes be on exploration and pushing the boundaries of what truly can be alien within the setting. That seems so much more interesting to me than human terrorist in space, or generic alien villains. Let conflict be a grey area, born out of misunderstanding of the complexities of alien life. You can still throw the typical space pirate in-between and political jargon every now and then. Agreed. Compared the the Milky Way the Andromeda galaxy was painfully vanilla in terms of species diversity and general alien elements. Over 2 million light years away from our home galaxy and the only things we get are: Kardashev-scale rombas seemingly powered by sudoku, generic Saturday morning cartoon villain in the form of the Archon, with his army of mindless putty patrol clones, and the Angara; an alien race so indistinct from us that they might as well just be humans in cosplay. Everything else is either mindless XP bags to shoot for loot; i.e. the unnamed insect species not even mentioned in the Codex Ryder kills by the truckload; or pale knockoff versions of the Milky Way species from the previous trilogy that are even less distinct than their ME 1-3 counterparts. Mass Effect, on the other hand, had Turians, Quarians, Salarians, Asari, Volus, Batarians, Krogan, Elcor, Hanar, Rachni, Geth, The Thorian, and the Reapers all with their own motivations and takes on the galaxy; and all of that while at the same time having to create a brand new IP from scratch.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2019 16:39:36 GMT
Except they wouldn’t suddenly be popping up. There is a whole questline about them in MEA. The Andromeda Initiative would not have happened without their intervention. But that doesn't make sense. As the Benefactor, they have the funding to do so from the start. They can plant whoever they want, wherever they want in the Initiative and do it openly. Chances are, if there were plants from the benefactor, they are the ones that died when the "accidents" happened. Depends on what their objective is. Clearly they aren’t the sort to operate openly since only Jien and Alec knew of them, and neither of them knew what their objective was. When Jien started investigating, she was killed because of it. But besides that, for all we know they are planted but they can’t do anything yet since the Heleus Cluster wasn’t what anyone thought it was. Regardless, we know something big is planned for them since BioWare said after the game came out they are part of the bigger story that crosses the games.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2019 16:40:58 GMT
Not sure about Andromeda... I know I just want an actually hard sci-fi space epic ala ME 1, that's serious in tone and strong on story. That being said, I'd rather have the themes be on exploration and pushing the boundaries of what truly can be alien within the setting. That seems so much more interesting to me than human terrorist in space, or generic alien villains. Let conflict be a grey area, born out of misunderstanding of the complexities of alien life. You can still throw the typical space pirate in-between and political jargon every now and then. Agreed. Compared the the Milky Way the Andromeda galaxy was painfully vanilla in terms of species diversity and general alien elements. Over 2 million light years away from our home galaxy and the only things we get are: Kardashev-scale rombas seemingly powered by sudoku, generic Saturday morning cartoon villain in the form of the Archon, with his army of mindless putty patrol clones, and the Angara; an alien race so indistinct from us that they might as well just be humans in cosplay. Everything else is either mindless XP bags to shoot for loot; i.e. the unnamed insect species not even mentioned in the Codex Ryder kills by the truckload; or pale knockoff versions of the Milky Way species from the previous trilogy that are even less distinct than their ME 1-3 counterparts. Mass Effect, on the other hand, had Turians, Quarians, Salarians, Asari, Volus, Batarians, Krogan, Elcor, Hanar, Rachni, Geth, The Thorian, and the Reapers all with their own motivations and takes on the galaxy; and all of that while at the same time having to create a brand new IP from scratch. You do realize we are only in a single cluster of Andromeda and not the whole galaxy right? That’s like saying the Milky Way only has humans after only looking at the Local Cluster. As the games expand out there will be more and more races and things.
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