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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 15, 2020 15:44:46 GMT
If they do a movie, I hope it has nothing to do with Shepard or Ryder. Making a movie with a character that is defined by the players makes me nervous. Same reason I was uneasy when rumors of Star Wars doing KOTOR movies with Revan which now seems to not be the case. Well, Alec Ryder isn't a character defined by the players. Shepard would be, but they could relegate him/her to a minor role as a classmate of another main character.. perhaps a future villain... was Leng ever Alliance? (joking). Actually, maybe not joking... I just looked up the Wiki and Leng was an N7 marine. Even as a minor character the problems remain since it’ll define things about Shepard such as personality, gender, background, appearance, etc.
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Well, Alec Ryder isn't a character defined by the players. Shepard would be, but they could relegate him/her to a minor role as a classmate of another main character.. perhaps a future villain... was Leng ever Alliance? (joking). Actually, maybe not joking... I just looked up the Wiki and Leng was an N7 marine. Even as a minor character the problems remain since it’ll define things about Shepard such as personality, gender, background, appearance, etc. Not if it's just a gender-less mention of a hotshot recruit named Shepard who looks like they might be something special. It can be done to establish the connection of the story to future ME1 events (and possibly ME:A events) without violating the players definition of the Shepard. They did tease ME:A with a speech from Shepard that appeared to be like an Validictorian's Address. If that speech has any relevance in the overview of the franchise, they already have defined Shepard's gender since the recording was only made by Hale and no equivalent recording was made by Meer. That doesn't please me... as a player who very, very seldom plays as FemShep and who particularly likes Meer's voicing of Shepard.
At some point here, something has to give though. We (the players) have been deadlocked over ideas of where this franchise can possibly be taken for many long years. IF push comes to shove, I would rather a movie define a version of Shepard than absolutely determine the state of the entire galaxy at the end of ME3 (either by a movie or by a game sequel to ME3 by moving forward from a "canon" ME3 ending.).
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 15, 2020 15:56:51 GMT
Even as a minor character the problems remain since it’ll define things about Shepard such as personality, gender, background, appearance, etc. Not if it's just a gender-less mention of a hotshot recruit named Shepard who looks like they might be something special. It can be done to establish the connection of the story to future ME1 events (and possibly ME:A events) without violating the players definition of the Shepard. They did tease ME:A with a speech from Shepard that appeared to be like an Validictorian's Address. If that speech has any relevance in the overview of the franchise, they already have defined Shepard's gender since the recording was only made by Hale and no equivalent recording was made by Meer.
At some point here, something has to give though. We (the players) have been deadlocked over ideas of where this franchise can possibly be taken for many long years. IF push comes to shove, I would rather a movie define a version of Shepard than absolutely determine the state of the entire galaxy at the end of ME3 (either by a movie or by a game sequel to ME3 by moving forward from a "canon" ME3 ending.).
Id rather they just continue in Andromeda so they don’t canonize either since both are equally unappealing (especially since I know neither would be anywhere close to what I did).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 16:04:58 GMT
Not if it's just a gender-less mention of a hotshot recruit named Shepard who looks like they might be something special. It can be done to establish the connection of the story to future ME1 events (and possibly ME:A events) without violating the players definition of the Shepard. They did tease ME:A with a speech from Shepard that appeared to be like an Validictorian's Address. If that speech has any relevance in the overview of the franchise, they already have defined Shepard's gender since the recording was only made by Hale and no equivalent recording was made by Meer.
At some point here, something has to give though. We (the players) have been deadlocked over ideas of where this franchise can possibly be taken for many long years. IF push comes to shove, I would rather a movie define a version of Shepard than absolutely determine the state of the entire galaxy at the end of ME3 (either by a movie or by a game sequel to ME3 by moving forward from a "canon" ME3 ending.).
Id rather they just continue in Andromeda so they don’t canonize either since both are equally unappealing (especially since I know neither would be anywhere close to what I did). Again, I've already stated that is my absolute preference. I don't think they can take another 5 years to release a next game though. Something quicker needs to be done to maintain interest in the franchise. A simple remaster would be quick and cheap. A remake, if limited, could perhaps be released earlier (although fraught with risks if it fails to "satisfy" those who have been asking for very specific types of remakes of the OT' i.e. the "fix" the endings crowd). A significant remake would take as long as a new game... and that, IMO, is just too long.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 15, 2020 18:09:41 GMT
So what do we want.. It seems MEA2 with Ryder We? No. You, yes. Me, no. When looking at the poll, there are more that don't want Ryder to return when adding the choices together that don't mention Ryder.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jan 15, 2020 18:13:29 GMT
So what do we want.. It seems MEA2 with Ryder We? No. You, yes. Me, no. When looking at the poll, there are more that don't want Ryder to return when adding the choices together that don't mention Ryder. No no no, the longer line the better.
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Post by Phantom on Jan 15, 2020 18:43:53 GMT
I want Trilogy that Rupert Gardner with Kelly Chamber to return in full as playable characters.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 15, 2020 19:16:13 GMT
So what do we want.. It seems MEA2 with Ryder We? No. You, yes. Me, no. When looking at the poll, there are more that don't want Ryder to return when adding the choices together that don't mention Ryder. So, since nothing gets a majority... your conclusion is that we don't want another game at all? There's no option which beats MEA2 with Ryder, so on the data presented it's that or nothing. I suppose we could do a runoff, or IRV if we could host the poll externally.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 19:22:11 GMT
So what do we want.. It seems MEA2 with Ryder We? No. You, yes. Me, no. When looking at the poll, there are more that don't want Ryder to return when adding the choices together that don't mention Ryder. It's clear that more people want Ryder to return than those who want Shepard to return.
Since ME(Next) With Ryder would, in effect, be a ME:A sequel (since Ryder is clearly in Andromeda), votes for a ME:A continuation in some form are 146; votes for a ME3 sequel with or without Shepard are 112. It's unclear where a ME(Next) with Other would take place... could be Andromeda or could be the Milky Way or could be even a totally new galaxy, so those votes really don't count in with either of the other two. Even without ME(Next) with Ryder, ME:A still is ahead of ME3.
I also think it's worth repeating how the OP described each option:
Note that even ME3 Sequel with Other includes the possibility of playing as Ryder: "whether we play as Ryder exclusively in the Milky Way..." Your assumption that everyone who chose "other" expressly does not want Ryder to return is incorrect.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 15, 2020 20:52:12 GMT
So, since nothing gets a majority... your conclusion is that we don't want another game at all? Who are the we you mentioned? You may not want another game, but I do, and I'm sure a lot of people would as well. It's clear that more people want Ryder to return than those who want Shepard to return. Never said that more wanted Shepard. Or are you posting that to remind yourself that more chose Ryder over Shepard? They don't? Yet those options are part of the poll.
And how many of those everyone you believe want Ryder back even after choosing an option that doesn't mention the name?
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Post by themikefest on Jan 15, 2020 20:56:10 GMT
I want Trilogy that Rupert Gardner with Kelly Chamber to return in full as playable characters. Playing as Kelly, aka Felicia, will go out shopping for Rupert to get the ingredients he needs to make another famous dish. Back at the restaurant, the player plays as Rupert making his dish for the customers. We even get to take a dish out to Shepard for him/her to give the nod of approval.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 21:50:44 GMT
So, since nothing gets a majority... your conclusion is that we don't want another game at all? Who are the we you mentioned? You may not want another game, but I do, and I'm sure a lot of people would as well. It's clear that more people want Ryder to return than those who want Shepard to return. Never said that more wanted Shepard. Or are you posting that to remind yourself that more chose Ryder over Shepard? They don't? Yet those options are part of the poll.
And how many of those everyone you believe want Ryder back even after choosing an option that doesn't mention the name? The other options DO mention Ryder, though. Not my fault you failed to read the OP's description of the choices that were part of the "OTHER" selection.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 15, 2020 22:12:54 GMT
Not my fault you failed to read the OP's description of the choices that were part of the "OTHER" selection. Not as a main character. Not my fault you failed to acknowledge that
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Post by Phantom on Jan 15, 2020 22:16:57 GMT
I want Trilogy that Rupert Gardner with Kelly Chamber to return in full as playable characters. Playing as Kelly, aka Felicia, will go out shopping for Rupert to get the ingredients he needs to make another famous dish. Back at the restaurant, the player plays as Rupert making his dish for the customers. We even get to take a dish out to Shepard for him/her to give the nod of approval. I know you are a fan of Shepard, Keep in mind, I have no problem that developing an idea that Shepard and My Cerberus Phantom indirectly helps each other. to ME:A fans, I have an idea floating in my demented head that my Cerberus Phantom did witness Alec Ryder by himself, kill an entire squad of Black Talon mercs at an Andromeda Initiative Science Labs by using the Lab equipment to kill them all. Also If it is a playable segment or him telling another about the entire story, it would be treated like a comedy due to that squad of Black Talons underestimating Alec Ryder.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 23:18:19 GMT
Not my fault you failed to read the OP's description of the choices that were part of the "OTHER" selection. Not as a main character. Not my fault you failed to acknowledge that and where in this post do you make the distinction yourself. You just say the choices "don't mention Ryder." ditto for this post:
The OP's description mention Ryder and clearly indicate the capacity in which Ryder would be involved. So, choosing other is NOT a choice to not have Ryder back at all (as you keep implying). It's a choice to possibly have Ryder back as a seocndary character. There is no option offered to bring Shepard back as a secondary character and no option that says "Don't bring Ryder back at all." The poll is missing options, but what you've been implying by combining them the way you have been is in error. They are not "combinable." Therefore, the longist line stands alone. Bringing Ryder back in ME:A2 as the primary character is the most popular choice. Doing an ME3 sequel with the possibility of Ryder as a secondary character OR even as "playing as Ryder" (which was mentioned in the description) is the second most popular choice (this would then be a ME3 sequel taking place more than 600 years after the end of the Reaper War). Bringing Shepard back as the primary character in a ME3 sequel is the third most popular choice (which would be a direct ME3 sequel taking place shortly after the Reaper War; i.e. within Shepard's lifetime).
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I wouldn’t be averse to a Mass Effect Andromeda sequel. My only stipulation would be a cutscene at the start of the game where Peebee accidentally and definitely not on purpose falls into a wood chipper and gets shredded.
That’s all it takes to get me on board.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 16, 2020 18:15:54 GMT
So, since nothing gets a majority... your conclusion is that we don't want another game at all? Who are the we you mentioned? You may not want another game, but I do, and I'm sure a lot of people would as well. The "We" in question actually belongs to Unicephalon 40-D, who first posted it. (Remember, I was replying to your reply to him.) In context, though, it's pretty obvious that the "we" is Mass Effect fans in general. As for the "we don't want another game at all," it's the logical conclusion based on what you actually posted, which is that "we" don't want the most popular option from the poll. If the most popular option isn't popular enough for "us" to want it, then we can't want any of the others either. I figured you didn't actually mean what you were saying since it was silly, but that meant that what you actually did mean wasn't clear. So, what's your actual position here? It's clear that you're out of step with the poll respondents. What that means is debatable, of course. I don't have a high level of confidence that this poll is perfectly representative of ME fans generally, but since I don't have better data I'll use this until something else comes along.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 16, 2020 23:24:15 GMT
I wouldn’t be averse to a Mass Effect Andromeda sequel. My only stipulation would be a cutscene at the start of the game where Peebee accidentally and definitely not on purpose falls into a wood chipper and gets shredded. That’s all it takes to get me on board. Oddly she was one of the few characters I didn’t hate. I hated her loyalty quest but her in general was not bad. And I went in expecting to hate her. Ended up disliking almost everyone else on the crew except Kalo. Drax was okay but too on the nose for BioWare archetypes. Out of the rest of the game I was either indifferent to or disliked most except Tann who I thought was awesome.
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I wouldn’t be averse to a Mass Effect Andromeda sequel. My only stipulation would be a cutscene at the start of the game where Peebee accidentally and definitely not on purpose falls into a wood chipper and gets shredded. That’s all it takes to get me on board. Oddly she was one of the few characters I didn’t hate. I hated her loyalty quest but her in general was not bad. And I went in expecting to hate her. Ended up disliking almost everyone else on the crew except Kalo. Drax was okay but too on the nose for BioWare archetypes. Out of the rest of the game I was either indifferent to or disliked most except Tann who I thought was awesome. What are you some kind of alien lover? Your kind make me sick to the pit of my stomach good sir. The Asari are good for one thing and one thing only and that’s chew toys for the varren. Translated into Peebee: liyek oh em gee you guyz, r u liyek some kind of alien lover or liyek something? I don’t have any friends because I’m totally edgy and the only people who know me try to kill me all the time, wow oh my god I don’t know why that would be. Anywayz liyek Asari are totally not worth my time chief, I am a strong independent BioWare character and I’m down for woteva kinda relationship in my escape pod you dig? P.s stop saying I look liyek Shrek that’s totally not cool guyz. At least I don’t look liyek a default Male shep from Mass Effect 1. Those fuckers are scary.
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MEA was better written than ME1 in general.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 18, 2020 18:40:11 GMT
I wouldn’t be averse to a Mass Effect Andromeda sequel. My only stipulation would be a cutscene at the start of the game where Peebee accidentally and definitely not on purpose falls into a wood chipper and gets shredded. That’s all it takes to get me on board. Oddly she was one of the few characters I didn’t hate. I hated her loyalty quest but her in general was not bad. And I went in expecting to hate her. Ended up disliking almost everyone else on the crew except Kalo. Drax was okay but too on the nose for BioWare archetypes. Out of the rest of the game I was either indifferent to or disliked most except Tann who I thought was awesome. I didn't like Peebee because she really didn't have much personality or depth to her. It just felt to much like they took Liara and then just inverted her personality traits and called it a new character. Making an entire character out of the "I'm not like other girls" meme just isn't all that good to me. I know that Jaal is basically the same thing for Javik but his character arc from completely justified suspicion to warming and eventual acceptation of the Initiative as well as several moments when learning about the Kett makes him one of the few I like.
I love Drax because he seems to me to be almost self aware of the fact they are in a video game that is 90% shooting stuff in the face until it dies. Plus the whole grizzled old war veteran lost his hope and doesn't feel like he has a place anymore only to be reminded how his family and his people still need him fits well with giving the Krogan more personality beyond "Hey set that thing over there? Lets shoot it a lot"
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MEA was better written than ME1 in general. -1
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Post by ahglock on Jan 19, 2020 0:57:57 GMT
MEA was better written than ME1 in general. -1 Depends on what you focus on I think. Imo the story arc and plot was better in me1 but while I didn’t like the characters mea actually developed their characters. Me1 though had to set up the universe so wiki entries is a bit more expected even if it could be done better.
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Post by Dukemon on Jan 19, 2020 1:44:12 GMT
Recently I've been thinking about how Shepard could work after ME3. I came to the conclusion that one possibility represents the starting position with Red Ending and Geth living with Legion sacrifice. A Geth finding Shepard and Nurse him back to health. The why can be explained later.Somewhere the other day I read that the Geth were once intended for Shepard resuscitation.That's how I came up with the idea of a Geth Shepard searching and finding.
However, more important is Ryder. MEA has started with a lot of new plots and actions. Settling Helieus. Ryder and SAMs family secrets. Angara First contact. This have to go on. I wouldn't blame Bioware if the Kett would be kicked out of the plot. It has disturbed the main plot of settling a new galaxy. Furthermore, There was also a lack of seriousness in relation to the threat. The Kett was favoured in the action, with the team continuing blindly and flustered with its own plan. (the Archon got on magical way my memories? Come on. We just have to be the first to arrive the target. Pfff...; We had an intruder on the ship? Anyway, who can blame him for looking inside? What's done is done.)
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 19, 2020 15:53:02 GMT
I don't see how the kett can be handwaved away in a manner which would actually be satisfying.
As for Shepard, that approach works, but this is the straight-up canon ME3 ending that a lot of players are philosophically opposed to. I don't think that matters much since any attempt to bring back Shepard must offend some group of players. But be prepared for opposition.
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