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Post by cloud9 on Nov 17, 2018 1:26:21 GMT
If BioWare were smart they would never create a sequel for Andromeda. (Yaaawwwnnnnn) Um, yeah, thanks for the input Obviously, you come to the wrong thread. Go to the hype thread if you're easily offended of what I want to say.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 17, 2018 1:57:59 GMT
All this talk about ME4 or MEA2.
If I were bio I'd have already had this conversation. I'd have come to the conclusion that the original ME still has a loyal cult following. The failure of Andromeda to draw that following away from the original MEU and into Andromeda now means we have two fanbases. With two different followings. Two very different games with different styles and stories and character types/atmosphere/Designs.
If you were Bio you'd say that realistically you'd like to build on both. But you can't. They have a choice between returning to the Milky Way ME or remaining in MEA or merging the two into a clusterfuck of intergalactic proportions.
It's Control Destroy Synthesis all over again.
And if I know Bio the most ridiculous nonsensical solution is usually the one they go with. Merging the two titles might be worse than nothing at all.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 17, 2018 3:09:31 GMT
All this talk about ME4 or MEA2. If I were bio I'd have already had this conversation. I'd have come to the conclusion that the original ME still has a loyal cult following. The failure of Andromeda to draw that following away from the original MEU and into Andromeda now means we have two fanbases. With two different followings. Two very different games with different styles and stories and character types/atmosphere/Designs. If you were Bio you'd say that realistically you'd like to build on both. But you can't. They have a choice between returning to the Milky Way ME or remaining in MEA or merging the two into a clusterfuck of intergalactic proportions. It's Control Destroy Synthesis all over again. And if I know Bio the most ridiculous nonsensical solution is usually the one they go with. Merging the two titles might be worse than nothing at all. I'm not nearly as negative as you about the 'clusterfuck'. But otherwise I agree. The biggest thing I predict is they do both: drawing MW into Andromeda as much as they can while still expanding Andromeda. Linking the two.
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Post by NotN7 on Nov 17, 2018 3:55:56 GMT
I agree and on the other foot do not, since the Alliance knew about Andromeda they did provide escort services to the edge of the Galaxy so to me that just set up a scenario where they can go back and forth on the story telling ie MW/Andromeda till at such a point like battle star Galatica (not sure if that's spelled right) where they can merge. its something to think about.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 17, 2018 4:01:52 GMT
I agree and on the other foot do not, since the Alliance knew about Andromeda they did provide escort services to the edge of the Galaxy so to me that just set up a scenario where they can go back and forth on the story telling ie MW/Andromeda till at such a point like battle star Galatica (not sure if that's spelled right) where they can merge. its something to think about. They wouldn't have to go back and forth a lot. It is part of the Ai that they link back to the MW. It is in the agenda, even if there's no known way to do it yet. And sure we may see ME3's ending and go 'well that was redundant', but we don't actually know what has happened to the Milky Way in centuries since. In my opinion it is quite possible that while the MW could have had substantial developments, it could also have had various dynamic downfalls (we just don't know - again, centuries), so what the Initiative finds and does could still shoot the MW forward in the longer run. What I don't think is that Bioware is exclusively and endlessly keeping away from the Milky Way. To me, it makes some sense to give a 'green' studio as much of a clean slate as possible; it doesn't actually mean that Edmonton's minds had zero idea what to do with the MW in the future.
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Post by NotN7 on Nov 17, 2018 4:17:53 GMT
I agree and on the other foot do not, since the Alliance knew about Andromeda they did provide escort services to the edge of the Galaxy so to me that just set up a scenario where they can go back and forth on the story telling ie MW/Andromeda till at such a point like battle star Galatica (not sure if that's spelled right) where they can merge. its something to think about. They wouldn't have to go back and forth a lot. It is part of the Ai that they link back to the MW. It is in the agenda, even if there's no known way to do it yet. And sure we may see ME3's ending and go 'well that was redundant', but we don't actually know what has happened to the Milky Way in centuries since. In my opinion it is quite possible that while the MW could have had substantial developments, it could also have had various dynamic downfalls (we just don't know - again, centuries), so what the Initiative finds and does could still shoot the MW forward in the longer run. What I don't think is that Bioware is exclusively and endlessly keeping away from the Milky Way. To me, it makes some sense to give a 'green' studio as much of a clean slate as possible; it doesn't actually mean that Edmonton's minds had zero idea what to do with the MW in the future. That is true, I was thinking more along the lines as time goes by that the Andromeda Initiative would be forgotten by both sides hence the battle star reference, Bioware has different directions they can go with it.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 17, 2018 6:11:43 GMT
All this talk about ME4 or MEA2. If I were bio I'd have already had this conversation. I'd have come to the conclusion that the original ME still has a loyal cult following. The failure of Andromeda to draw that following away from the original MEU and into Andromeda now means we have two fanbases. With two different followings. Two very different games with different styles and stories and character types/atmosphere/Designs. If you were Bio you'd say that realistically you'd like to build on both. But you can't. They have a choice between returning to the Milky Way ME or remaining in MEA or merging the two into a clusterfuck of intergalactic proportions. It's Control Destroy Synthesis all over again. And if I know Bio the most ridiculous nonsensical solution is usually the one they go with. Merging the two titles might be worse than nothing at all. I'm not nearly as negative as you about the 'clusterfuck'. But otherwise I agree. The biggest thing I predict is they do both: drawing MW into Andromeda as much as they can while still expanding Andromeda. Linking the two. I mean, it's not difficult to think of a way that the MEMWU and the MEAU could be linked but could it be done without people saying "Why can't I travel between two galaxies" (I know I would want to) And can it be done without the MWU fans saying "This should be impossible because ME1-3 happened" I also wouldn't like it if it became a moment where star gazer is talking to us from Andromeda.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 17, 2018 16:33:08 GMT
I'm not nearly as negative as you about the 'clusterfuck'. But otherwise I agree. The biggest thing I predict is they do both: drawing MW into Andromeda as much as they can while still expanding Andromeda. Linking the two. I mean, it's not difficult to think of a way that the MEMWU and the MEAU could be linked but could it be done without people saying "Why can't I travel between two galaxies" (I know I would want to) And can it be done without the MWU fans saying "This should be impossible because ME1-3 happened" I also wouldn't like it if it became a moment where star gazer is talking to us from Andromeda. I think travel between both regions is, well not inevitable, but more possible than other people think. In similar style to Ferelden/Orlais I suppose. Not necessarily in the next game. There's room, imo, for games ranging from a single system (we haven't had that, but we have a cluster), to 2+, 3+ galaxies or more. Depends on the story to tell and how and why the decision gets made. People can say it is impossible, but I still think they'd be wrong. I can already come up with a handful of ways that going back to MW could happen (or at least a story that links more with the MW happens) without actually negating the ME3 choices. Minimize at points? Perhaps, maybe, but we've had that since DAO-->DA2 and ME1+, so like, I don't care really. I don't anticipate seeing any Stargazer in the future and I believe, so far, that it was more of a symbolic than literal scene (but it might be literal enough to be a scene we can believe happens at some point post-ME3).
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 18, 2018 22:10:49 GMT
Even if, for some stupid reason, they don't do an MEA2, I think returning to the MW is a bad idea. It would only work if they scrapped EVERYTHING about the MW. Sure, keep the existing races, but drop everything about the Citadel, the Reapers, the relays, the Collectors...it's all got to go. Otherwise we're stuff with comparisons and not being able to live up to the MET. Because it won't live up to the MET. I honestly believe that had this same story taken place in some ass backward part of the MW that had no relays, we'd still get the same complaints. Then the complainers would have to come up with something other than "we need to be in the MW". That does not make sense. Why BioWare should scrap the Trilogy, because of it's inconsistent story and focus on Andromeda? (which it will backfire) If anything they should create a remake to fix errors and the ending for a sequel to take place. A remake will lead to the same complaints. I'm not sure why you think changing anything (endings aside) would make a significant portion of people happy.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 18, 2018 22:17:45 GMT
If I were bio I'd have already had this conversation. I'd have come to the conclusion that the original ME still has a loyal cult following. T I disagree. I'm going to go with the clone here on this and call it the "Cult of Shepard". The setting is borderline irrelevant. It's Shepard that makes the game. A remake will fail because there will be unending comparisons to the OT and how the remake falls short. I can't even fathom how people don't see this because it's blindingly obvious. Following the wants of a vocal minority never ends well. We'll get a shitty remake that's all about fan service. It'll be a disaster. The only way to handle ME is to move forward. It's impossible to do in the MW because of the multiple endings. The MET was meant to be just that, a story with a beginning, middle and end. We have all of that. Move on.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 18, 2018 22:25:14 GMT
I mean, it's not difficult to think of a way that the MEMWU and the MEAU could be linked but could it be done without people saying "Why can't I travel between two galaxies" (I know I would want to) And can it be done without the MWU fans saying "This should be impossible because ME1-3 happened" I also wouldn't like it if it became a moment where star gazer is talking to us from Andromeda. I always thought this one would be easy. Matriarch Aethyta had, in fact, figured out how to build new relays. The only reason she didn't was because of lack of funds. Aethyta sends the plans along with the AI, they find it and build a relay that bridges the two galaxies. We know for a fact that relays exist in "dark space" (otherwise the Reapers couldn't use the Citadel or Alpha relays to enter the MW). It's not a stretch that the AI could use the dark space relays - which seem to be able to span incredible distances beyond any relays within the galaxy - as a way to make the connection. Building the relay and preventing the kett from gaining access to the blueprints in MEA2. Then MEA3 ends with the relay being successfully rebuilt and the AI flying through to find out what's there. This then gives BW the opportunity to figure out how to deal with the alternate endings of ME3.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 18, 2018 22:28:31 GMT
That does not make sense. Why BioWare should scrap the Trilogy, because of it's inconsistent story and focus on Andromeda? (which it will backfire) If anything they should create a remake to fix errors and the ending for a sequel to take place. A remake will lead to the same complaints. I'm not sure why you think changing anything (endings aside) would make a significant portion of people happy. Why do you believe it will lead to the same complaints? A remake will likely bring in new players who never played the trilogy. After playing the remake, they might get the trilogy to see the difference. Will a remake cause people to be unhappy? Maybe, but no one knows until if/when a remake happens.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 19, 2018 8:01:24 GMT
This then gives BW the opportunity to figure out how to deal with the alternate endings of ME3. You mean, do the thing they already figured was impossible?
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 19, 2018 14:31:13 GMT
I mean, it's not difficult to think of a way that the MEMWU and the MEAU could be linked but could it be done without people saying "Why can't I travel between two galaxies" (I know I would want to) And can it be done without the MWU fans saying "This should be impossible because ME1-3 happened" I also wouldn't like it if it became a moment where star gazer is talking to us from Andromeda. I always thought this one would be easy. Matriarch Aethyta had, in fact, figured out how to build new relays. The only reason she didn't was because of lack of funds. Aethyta sends the plans along with the AI, they find it and build a relay that bridges the two galaxies. We know for a fact that relays exist in "dark space" (otherwise the Reapers couldn't use the Citadel or Alpha relays to enter the MW). It's not a stretch that the AI could use the dark space relays - which seem to be able to span incredible distances beyond any relays within the galaxy - as a way to make the connection. Building the relay and preventing the kett from gaining access to the blueprints in MEA2. Then MEA3 ends with the relay being successfully rebuilt and the AI flying through to find out what's there. This then gives BW the opportunity to figure out how to deal with the alternate endings of ME3. Yeah but then you still are stuck. A cannon ending would still have to be picked.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 19, 2018 16:35:22 GMT
I always thought this one would be easy. Matriarch Aethyta had, in fact, figured out how to build new relays. The only reason she didn't was because of lack of funds. Aethyta sends the plans along with the AI, they find it and build a relay that bridges the two galaxies. We know for a fact that relays exist in "dark space" (otherwise the Reapers couldn't use the Citadel or Alpha relays to enter the MW). It's not a stretch that the AI could use the dark space relays - which seem to be able to span incredible distances beyond any relays within the galaxy - as a way to make the connection. Building the relay and preventing the kett from gaining access to the blueprints in MEA2. Then MEA3 ends with the relay being successfully rebuilt and the AI flying through to find out what's there. This then gives BW the opportunity to figure out how to deal with the alternate endings of ME3. Yeah but then you still are stuck. A cannon ending would still have to be picked. True. That's why I added that last sentence. Honestly, though, how many people who played the MET will still be invested in another, say, 10 years? I do agree there are some issues. Green is a no-go for me, as is Refuse. Blue is creepy. Only high EMS Red works for me. It's one reason why I think we're done with the MW since my vision of the ending shouldn't override everyone else's. Again, BW wrote the MET with a definitive ending (regardless of which you choose). It's like writing a trilogy of great books that has a complete storyline when the author tries to shoehorn in something new that we didn't need. It never goes well. It's why I thought MEA was a perfect solution and I really enjoyed the game as a whole.
Now, I don't know how there's anyway to reconcile the end of ME3 with a return to the MW. I wish there was some easy answer. For that, IT almost does seem the best solution, but it's one I hate. (If it were attempted indoctrination then it's all a hallucination, Shepard "wins" and the galaxy doesn't suffer from RBG syndrome.) However, as I said, I hate IT and think it's full of enough holes that I'd rather BW figure out something that isn't a fan theory. I don't know what that is. A lot of my ideas come while I'm writing since I don't give it a lot of thought outside of this forum.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 19, 2018 16:39:56 GMT
This then gives BW the opportunity to figure out how to deal with the alternate endings of ME3. You mean, do the thing they already figured was impossible? I'm talking 10 years down the road for the MEA3 ending, giving them an addition 5 years for the next trilogy of ME games.
For me, I'd just as soon let the MW rest in peace, but some people have to hang on. MEA was fun for me, including with the characters we got. Some of them were idiots, but is that any worse than Jacob working for a terrorist organization? Joker going to Cerberus because they let him fly? Chakwas already with Cerberus because she bought into the idea that Shepard would join, even though that was in no way a certainty? Those things were all stupid and not any worse than Liam. People just ignore that stuff for Reasons.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 19, 2018 22:50:38 GMT
You mean, do the thing they already figured was impossible? I'm talking 10 years down the road for the MEA3 ending, giving them an addition 5 years for the next trilogy of ME games.
For me, I'd just as soon let the MW rest in peace, but some people have to hang on. MEA was fun for me, including with the characters we got. Some of them were idiots, but is that any worse than Jacob working for a terrorist organization? Joker going to Cerberus because they let him fly? Chakwas already with Cerberus because she bought into the idea that Shepard would join, even though that was in no way a certainty? Those things were all stupid and not any worse than Liam. People just ignore that stuff for Reasons.
I honestly don’t think you need 10 years. Some people here care. But I suspect most people who played mass effect have 0 problems with picking a canon ending. And this isn’t a mass effect thing it’s any franchise. Most people just aren’t that invested. They just want another good game/book/movie. Fan boards for games that aren’t even recent give a distorted view of how much people give a shit about issues I think. That also means that only a insignificant number of people would care if they didn’t go back to the MW ever as long as the next games in andromeda are good.(per general audience reaction, not mine or yours) For reasons of artistic integrity they might not want to go back. But for the purpose of sales it pretty much just comes down to where do they think they can write the better story. Because most of the audience they want to sell to doesn’t care enough about lore, cannon endings etc to matter. And the small number of people who do give a shit have people on both sides of the issue.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 20, 2018 3:18:48 GMT
I don't expect green techno lines on everyone nor do I expect Reapers everywhere nor do I expect absolutely nothing left of what we may call the Reapers left anywhere.
It's a war and its just a war that ended bombastically.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 20, 2018 20:48:57 GMT
A remake will lead to the same complaints. I'm not sure why you think changing anything (endings aside) would make a significant portion of people happy. Why do you believe it will lead to the same complaints? A remake will likely bring in new players who never played the trilogy. After playing the remake, they might get the trilogy to see the difference. Will a remake cause people to be unhappy? Maybe, but no one knows until if/when a remake happens. Thank you.
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