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Post by Iddy on Oct 15, 2018 11:40:52 GMT
Hawke's Warden contact doesn't seem to know where the HoF went and neither did Leliana, who canonically is his/her friend.
I've considered the possibility that s/he left in a hurry because of the Calling, but then I remembered Bregan told the Grey Wardens about it before going.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 15, 2018 12:44:06 GMT
Leliana probably lied, like Varric about Hawke.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 15, 2018 15:01:19 GMT
Leliana probably lied, like Varric about Hawke This is the most plausible explanation, except that means she lied to Cassandra too in the epilogue to DA2. There she most definitely implies that it is odd and possibly sinister that both the Warden and Hawke have gone missing. At the time we assumed that they were going to be connected. It is possible that the writers originally intended it to be so and the HoF was going to be Hawke's warden contact, but then changed their minds. As it is, the HoF going missing had absolutely nothing to do with Hawke or the other Grey Wardens in DAI. The rather lame explanation that they had gone looking for a cure for the taint in the far west was made worse by the fact that a Warden in a romance with Leliana is back with her at the end of Trespasser, with no indication of whether their mission was a success or not. I'd at least have liked a codex letter explaining why they had gone west in the first place to look for a cure. Then again, it is equally odd that Hawke appears back in Kirkwall with no explanation of what they have been doing the last 2 years since they departed for Weisshaupt Fortress, except Varric's jokey explanation to the Inquisitor. Then if you read the Last Flight it would appear that nothing much happened at Grey Warden HQ, apart from the discovery of the gryphon eggs, and they seemed blissfully unaware of the false calling and assume that Clarel failing to contact them is simply she has nothing to report or request. The number of loose ends with any of the plotlines associated with the HoF or Grey Wardens is one of the things I find most frustrating about DAI and Trespasser.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 15, 2018 15:01:42 GMT
Does the Warden have to let anyone know? As popular as she/he is, I would do the same to get away from everyone to have some peace and quiet.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 15, 2018 15:16:34 GMT
Does the Warden have to let anyone know? As popular as she/he is, I would do the same to get away from everyone to have some peace and quiet. If you're going to be away for a long time, sure. Otherwise you'll make everyone worry.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 15, 2018 15:17:23 GMT
Does the Warden have to let anyone know? Well if they are in command of the project at Vigil's Keep, you'd think they would have let the First Warden know and also, out of courtesy, the monarch of Ferelden, since this was meant to have been authorised by them and was effectively a collaboration between the secular ruler and the Grey Wardens. Of course they ignore this in the DAI codex from Clarel to Arl Teagan and later when Teagan references Sophie Drydan as his explanation for why they don't like outside organisations running their Keeps. After the 5th Blight, the precedent has been set for the monarch of Ferelden collaborating with an outside organisation for the good of their people. According to Last Flight Vigil's Keep is still operational as a Grey Warden stronghold but you wouldn't know that from the plot in DAI. We have to go hunting for Blackwall to find out what is up with the Grey Wardens in Ferelden, when the obvious course of action would be to apply to Vigil's Keep. Then we have Grey Wardens hunting Hawke's contact in Ferelden on behalf of Clarel, when it is not under her jurisdiction. We are told that all the southern Grey Wardens are hearing the false calling but in Last Flight it is confined to Orlais. Why would they think all of them hearing the Calling was a disaster and they needed immediately to go in search of the last two Old Gods, when a simple enquiry of their fellow Grey Wardens in northern Ferelden, the Freemarches and at Warden HQ would show that it was only them? A romanced Leliana has obviously been keeping in touch with the Warden because when they reply to your letter they know about the death of Justinia. If they had headed off into the far west before the events of DAI, how would they know about this if someone hadn't informed them?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 15:44:59 GMT
Or maybe they just don't know their literal location. It's like, see ya guys, I'm going to find the cure. OK. Which way did he go? North, west, to the abyss? I didn't get an impression that Wardens send regular updates even to their headquarters (there is also implied conflict with the hq, so some might not do it out of principle) about the routes they're taking, nor is it possible in places like deep roads to send mail.
Warden report: stopped at twisted turn #74975, kicked darkspawn butt to clear the camp area. Caught a lost nug and roasted it. Found a bunch of bones. Must have been previous warden. Kicked more darkspawn butt.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 15, 2018 16:27:27 GMT
Or maybe they just don't know their literal location. It's like, see ya guys, I'm going to find the cure. OK. Which way did he go? North, west, to the abyss? I didn't get an impression that Wardens send regular updates even to their headquarters (there is also implied conflict with the hq, so some might not do it out of principle) about the routes they're taking, nor is it possible in places like deep roads to send mail.
Warden report: stopped at twisted turn #74975, kicked darkspawn butt to clear the camp area. Caught a lost nug and roasted it. Found a bunch of bones. Must have been previous warden. Kicked more darkspawn butt.
Here is the thing, though. "Disappeared" usually is a word you use when you have no clue about what happened to that person.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Oct 15, 2018 16:50:28 GMT
Maybe it's harder to disappear if everyone knows where you are.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 15, 2018 17:15:55 GMT
Maybe it's harder to disappear if everyone knows where you are. Okay, let me spell it out for you: WHY DISAPPEAR AT ALL?
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Oct 15, 2018 17:28:09 GMT
Maybe it's harder to disappear if everyone knows where you are. Okay, let me spell it out for you: WHY DISAPPEAR AT ALL? <iframe width="24.25999999999999" height="5.200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 24.25999999999999px; height: 5.200000000000017px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_10424447" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.25999999999999" height="5.200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 24.26px; height: 5.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1153px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_21631337" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.25999999999999" height="5.200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 24.26px; height: 5.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 199px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_75051195" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.25999999999999" height="5.200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 24.26px; height: 5.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1153px; top: 199px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_39439423" scrolling="no"></iframe> Oh, that's what you were wondering? Hm. Well, the Warden would have had to keep what they were doing hidden from the general public, since what they're trying to do relates to a Warden secret. The Chantry (and by extension Cassandra) especially couldn't know, since it relates to the fact that the Wardens use Blood Magic. Leiliana... could safely know as much as we know her to know, I guess? She doesn't need to know exactly where they are, as long as she knows how to get a message to them (though how that works I couldn't tell you) and as a general rule when you're doing something secret you shouldn't tell anyone more than you need them to know.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 15, 2018 17:34:08 GMT
Clearly this was just a way of expressing the fact that the Warden was no longer in Ferelden or anywhere near the action in DAI. Obviously they didn't break off all contact with people they knew. As I pointed out, they knew that Justinia had been killed, and both Leliana and Morrigan know where to contact them if romanced. Not sure what Alistair says if you encounter him as the Warden contact but it would seem odd if he didn't know how to contact the love of his life, so whatever he says he is probably just protecting them. If they romanced Zevran then we learn from their letter to the Inquisitor that he is with them and since we can have war table missions involving him, it would seem he also was being kept appraised of where he could find them. Bottom line is that they wanted to avoid having the HoF (if still alive) involved in the Grey Warden plot, so they just came up with this rather lame excuse for their absence. It doesn't make a lot of sense and really doesn't tie up properly with the epilogue of DA2 but clearly that didn't bother the writers as much as it does us.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 18:16:39 GMT
Bottom line is that they wanted to avoid having the HoF (if still alive) involved in the Grey Warden plot, so they just came up with this rather lame excuse for their absence. I for one don't mind any excuse. I don't want my Warden coming down with crazies. Then again the heart wrenching dramaz they've missed out on. Do you wish to slay your HoF mage Warden that went bonkos? y/n?
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Oct 15, 2018 19:10:01 GMT
Like some others, I also reckon that Hawkes warden friend was supposed to be the HoF and the original choice was supposed to be which of your beloved characters do you want to leave to certain death player? Then, perhaps anticipating the potential shitstorm they had on their hands (WTF BIOVAR? MY WARDEN DOESNT SOUND LIKE THAT!!!1!) they decided to scrap that idea and instead we’re left with a slightly puzzling and unsatisfactory “gone west for reasons” note. Ehh. Doesn’t overly bother me though. Just means that my warden finding a cure for the calling and settling down with Leliana headcannon now has some ground in canon!
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Post by NotN7 on Oct 15, 2018 21:38:04 GMT
HUH? I believe that in DAI its been told that the HOF whether you romanced Leliana or Morigan was looking for a cure for the calling that was researched by ? well shoot can't remember his name from DAO Starts with an A in the soldier Peak.
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Post by copper on Oct 16, 2018 2:49:53 GMT
HUH? I believe that in DAI its been told that the HOF whether you romanced Leliana or Morigan was looking for a cure for the calling that was researched by ? well shoot can't remember his name from DAO Starts with an A in the soldier Peak. You mean Avernus?
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Post by NotN7 on Oct 16, 2018 12:55:43 GMT
Ty, that's the guy I was trying to think of
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 16, 2018 18:42:03 GMT
HUH? I believe that in DAI its been told that the HOF whether you romanced Leliana or Morigan was looking for a cure for the calling that was researched by ? well shoot can't remember his name from DAO Starts with an A in the soldier Peak. Well in some World States Avernus would be dead, yet HoF goes west regardless to look for a cure. I suppose they could have used his research notes but it would be interesting to know why exactly Avernus or HoF thought that the cure could be found in the far west, in other words beyond the borders of Orlais? Was it yet unchartered territory off the normal map or simply the deepest reaches of the Tirashan? The latter would make sense given the strange elves that have been sighted there and the likelihood it does conceal ancient secrets. The only problem with that is they would still be in range of the false calling but I suppose if they kept their wits about them, it could be feeling the false calling was what promoted the urgency of their mission.
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Post by NotN7 on Oct 16, 2018 22:27:59 GMT
That is true but will we ever know? maybe one day they (Bioware) will tell us hopefully in a game I don't read comics or the books.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 17, 2018 11:03:58 GMT
That is true but will we ever know? maybe one day they (Bioware) will tell us hopefully in a game I don't read comics or the books. You should. Many characters from the books are in DAI and the next games probably will include those from the comics too. bookmate.com/ First month is for free.
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Post by NotN7 on Oct 17, 2018 12:44:01 GMT
That is true but will we ever know? maybe one day they (Bioware) will tell us hopefully in a game I don't read comics or the books. You should. Many characters from the books are in DAI and the next games probably will include those from the comics too. bookmate.com/ First month is for free. <iframe width="23.96" height="6.45999999999998" id="MoatPxIOPT0_80199603" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: -5px; width: 23.96px; height: 6.46px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="23.96" height="6.45999999999998" id="MoatPxIOPT0_8051894" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: -5px; width: 23.96px; height: 6.46px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="23.96" height="6.45999999999998" id="MoatPxIOPT0_74079567" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 261px; width: 23.96px; height: 6.46px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="23.96" height="6.45999999999998" id="MoatPxIOPT0_28950301" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: 261px; width: 23.96px; height: 6.46px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> Thank you for the info. i'll give it some thought, I knew that some story items are from the books etc. from reading the boards but I figured it was just fleshing out the character some more and didn't really have any bearing on the games story, learn something every day.
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